Is my MAG legit?

[CGoodness]

I went online at my friends house yesterday and traded a LEGIT MAG for a HEART OF CHU CHU. I don't know if it was a dupe or not, but I traded a LEGIT item for it. I then used it on a LEGIT MAG that I found and rose on my own. I'm wondering, is it OK to say that I have a LEGIT CHU CHU or do I have to say it isn't because the guy I traded a LEGIT item to may have given my a duped Mag Cell thing?

[kitomaka_ck]

It's all about what you think. I know I think it's legit, but go with what you think, screw the others.

[Superguppie]

The fact that you traded something legit for the heart doesn't make the heart any more or less legit then it was before the trade.
So, if the heart wasn't legit, neither is the MAG you made with it. And if you have reason to believe the heart was legit, so is the MAG.
Considering Halloween isn't that long ago, there should be enought hearts around to have a serious chance of getting a legit one.

[CGoodness]

Yea.. I would say it is legit though... I mean.. I got everything I, myself needed for the trade legitly. Even if it wasn't legit to the person I traded with, couldn't it still be considered legit to me or something? (I wanna be able to say that I have a legit CHUCHU to my friends and not be lying lol)

[Superguppie]

Suppose it was an unreleased item that was hacked into existence. Would it be a legit item just because you traded for it with legit stuff?
No it wouldn't. Once non-legit, an item will always remain non-legit. And any result of combining such an item is also non-legit.
And as I said, Halloween is not that far of. I still have 2 Hearts of ChuChu in my store. And since I got'em myself by opening Jack'o'Lanterns I got myself by doing the cake-thing over and over I can be pretty sure they're legit. I suspect others have some spare hearts too.
Plus, you could try asking your friend. If he's a real friend, he'll be honest about it...

[BOmar]

Bah, who cares. Why anyone would care about the legitness of your mag so much as to ask is beyond me (unless it was one of those bloody hacked mags http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif)

Just enjoy the new mag!

[Superguppie]

Many care enough about the original game idea as to not want to f*** it up. They want the original experience, and take care to get it.

[RuneLateralus]

I say don't worry about it. If it is legit, then it is. If it isn't, not the end of the world. No big deal.

[Aurra]

On 2003-12-15 05:42, Superguppie wrote:
Many care enough about the original game idea as to not want to f*** it up. They want the original experience, and take care to get it.


The original experience was not meant to be a stressful, accusation-ridden paranoia-fest. His having that mag, especially since he traded legitimately for it, which is totally how the game is supposed to work, does not harm a soul, living or dead. Anyone who gives him a hard time about it or calls it "ruining the game" is delusional.

PSO is not about what items you have or where they came from. That's a part of it, but a very small part. PSO was designed to provide entertainment. In my eyes, agonizing over whether or not something you have (and acquired completely within the confines of the game) might not be considered "legit" is very much the wrong way to play.

Can you honestly say that CGoodness did anything wrong in trading for that mag cell? I can't. No matter which way I look at it, I can't find him doing anything that Sonic Team didn't expressly intend for the players of PSO to do.

Sorry to rant and rave about this, but more and more I see people "being legit" for all the wrong reasons.

[ilr2000]

On 2003-12-14 19:04, kitomaka_ck wrote:
It's all about what you think. I know I think it's legit, but go with what you think, screw the others.



Sometimes you have to see things from perspectives other than your own. It does matter where the items came from if you're trying to play legit. Even IF you traded your life away for an item, the trade is still a shame if the item is a dupe. Because if the item wasn't a dupe, the other guy probably wouldn't even be putting it up for trade in the first place. If it weren't a dupe, you probably wouldn't have had the opertunity to trade for it.

Like my Black King Bar for example. You'd have to send me a memory card in the mail with four characters each holding 198 LEGIT Photon spheres and drops before I traded that away. It has sentimental value on top of its power, and that is something a dupe could never have.



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[Firocket1690]

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[Superguppie]

On 2003-12-15 14:28, Aurra wrote:
The original experience was not meant to be a stressful, accusation-ridden paranoia-fest. His having that mag, especially since he traded legitimately for it, which is totally how the game is supposed to work, does not harm a soul, living or dead. Anyone who gives him a hard time about it or calls it "ruining the game" is delusional.

You having been part of other, similar threads has made me expect better of you than a statement like this. You know the arguments, and they are NOT delusions.
What I meant was, a question was asked, replies were given. On of these was a 'who cares?' All I did was point out that there are ppl that actualy do care.
I know ST didn't intend the legit/cheat war, but since it is there I try to make the best of it, from my point of view.
And as ilr2000 points out, quite a few items would not have been traded if it weren't for duping. Duping has messed up the trade system by turning the rarest of rare, hardest to trade items into pocket money. Like that is how ST meant the game to be. Gee, I wonder why us legits are so pissed off about that?
I like the hunt for items. Both by doing the runs with my friends, and by looking for trades. However, I hardly do the latter because it has just become to bloody frustrating. My friends and me share the nice legit rares we find. A good alternative to the f***ed up trade system, although limited by the small number of friedns participating.


PSO is not about what items you have or where they came from. That's a part of it, but a very small part. PSO was designed to provide entertainment. In my eyes, agonizing over whether or not something you have (and acquired completely within the confines of the game) might not be considered "legit" is very much the wrong way to play.

In my eyes agonizing over legitness is not what ST intended, but it is a necessary 'evil' for those who care not to f*** up the game even more than it already is.


Can you honestly say that CGoodness did anything wrong in trading for that mag cell? I can't. No matter which way I look at it, I can't find him doing anything that Sonic Team didn't expressly intend for the players of PSO to do.

In it self trading like CGoodness did is very much in the game spirit. But suppose the heart is a dupe, then not accepting it would have meant his search would have continued, as is in the game spirit.
And that is basicaly what the question was about.
Obviously CGoodness cares enough about the game to seriously want to keep up the spririt of the game, for which I commend him.


Sorry to rant and rave about this, but more and more I see people "being legit" for all the wrong reasons.

From the rest of your post, I got the impression you didn't see any good reason for being legit. However, this gives me the impression you do know some good reasons for it. Makes me curious.

@Firocket1690: I am sorry for your loss. And although I can understand you feel the need to resort to duping to make up for it, I still think it would be the wrong thing to do. Strictly. speaking cheating is just the wrong thing to do and there is no excuse for it. Last time I lost something to FSOD my friends helped me out getting back some stuff, all legitly...and had some fun doing it.
In this case, (like duping for backup) the problem is not as much about you making up for the loss as well as the fact that the method by which this is to be accomplished is also widely used to f*** up the game.

[BOmar]

On 2003-12-16 02:52, Superguppie wrote:

Sorry to rant and rave about this, but more and more I see people "being legit" for all the wrong reasons.

From the rest of your post, I got the impression you didn't see any good reason for being legit. However, this gives me the impression you do know some good reasons for it. Makes me curious.

I think he is just saying that a lot of people are more concerned with being able to say they are fully legit than playing the game. Like the people who refuse to back-up items to protect themselves from FSOD because they think it makes you less "legit".
I only trade with people from my guild as I fully trust them, but if I were to be truly legit I wouldn't trade with anyone as I didn't see my friends find these items, so there is the slightest chance that they may have got them duped.

Sorry if I offended you with my earlier post. I am just getting a bit sick of some uber legits and their paranoia. (Not referring to you btw.)

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[Ness]

Who cares if it's legit or not? Just have fun with it.

[Superguppie]

On 2003-12-16 03:27, BOmar wrote:
I think he is just saying that a lot of people are more concerned with being able to say they are fully legit than playing the game. Like the people who refuse to back-up items to protect themselves from FSOD because they think it makes you less "legit".
I only trade with people from my guild as I fully trust them, but if I were to be truly legit I wouldn't trade with anyone as I didn't see my friends find these items, so there is the slightest chance that they may have got them duped.

If that is the case I agree with Aurra. Being legit for the sake of saying so is pathetic. However, I haven't seen an increase in this. Most of the 'new legits' I see seem to be ok and just out to play the game their way.
And trading without paranoia is hard indeed. I also trade, so I do have the risk of getting a dupe. However, like you, I trust most of the ppl I trade with, and with the ones I don't fully trust, I look very carefuly at what I trade. It's hard, but I try to find a way inbetween the paranoia and the risk...


Sorry if I offended you with my earlier post. I am just getting a bit sick of some uber legits and their paranoia. (Not referring to you btw.)

No offence taken. I sometimes get tired of the senseless namecalling some legits resort too. Most painful are the ones that just do the namecalling, but can never bring up a decent argument. I've even seen a few that, after pissing off some cheater, offered me a TJ not even knowing that story. Talking about pathetic... (and irritating ofcourse)

[Aurra]

On 2003-12-16 02:52, Superguppie wrote:

Sorry to rant and rave about this, but more and more I see people "being legit" for all the wrong reasons.

From the rest of your post, I got the impression you didn't see any good reason for being legit. However, this gives me the impression you do know some good reasons for it. Makes me curious.


Oh, believe me, I'm all for playing without cheating since that truly is the way it was meant to be played, but many people take the idea of "being legit" waaaaaay too far. Case in point, "uber-legits." You know the type, the ones who would send all dupe users to some sort of death camp given the opportunity. It's them I have a problem with.

Yes, it's fine, even good to play without cheating. Taking it to the extreme, however, is not. I know, because I've been there. On Dreamcast I subscribed to every PSO mindset there was, including both hacker and uber-legit. There was a time when I coded every rare I knew of into my bank, and a time when I scorned all cheaters of any kind. I've been down and back just about every road there is, and I can safely say that uber-legits are lameasses. When I was one, I was a lameass. They're "legit" just so they can say they're legit, and to put others down for not being as legit as them. They don't play the way they do out of respect for the game or for personal pride, they're do it so they can be better than the guy next to them.

If you want to not use dupes, that's fine by me. Knock yourself out. It becomes problematic when you call yourself a legit just to put yourself above someone else.

See, I have no idea why anyone asks, "Is so and so action legit?" Who cares? Does it conform to your personal standards of morality? Then go for it. If not, then why even ask if it's "legit"? Will some random guy on PSOw's message boards actually change your mind about what's wrong and right to do? (sort of makes me question my writing this post http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

Anyway Superguppie, my first post wasn't really directed at you specificially, but your post kind of provided me a good example to work from. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[CGoodness]

Wow... lol I was looking for a yes or no answer. haha

[Superguppie]

On 2003-12-16 14:26, Aurra wrote:
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Oh, believe me, I'm all for playing without cheating since that truly is the way it was meant to be played, but many people take the idea of "being legit" waaaaaay too far. Case in point, "uber-legits." You know the type, the ones who would send all dupe users to some sort of death camp given the opportunity. It's them I have a problem with.

Yeah, I know'em I like calling'em 11337. grin. Game ruining assholes that would benefit from a bit of their own medicine.


Yes, it's fine, even good to play without cheating. Taking it to the extreme, however, is not.

Agreed, extremism is never good. Even extreme non-extremism sucks.


They're "legit" just so they can say they're legit, and to put others down for not being as legit as them. They don't play the way they do out of respect for the game or for personal pride, they're do it so they can be better than the guy next to them.

If you want to not use dupes, that's fine by me. Knock yourself out. It becomes problematic when you call yourself a legit just to put yourself above someone else.

...which is totaly uninteresting to me, as I derive no pleasure from being better. Playing in a team with skilled people does it for me...


See, I have no idea why anyone asks, "Is so and so action legit?" Who cares? Does it conform to your personal standards of morality? Then go for it. If not, then why even ask if it's "legit"? Will some random guy on PSOw's message boards actually change your mind about what's wrong and right to do? (sort of makes me question my writing this post http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

I think most of these questions are motivated by lack of knowledge and uncertainty. They want to do what is right, but don't know what right is. So, they ask.
And I am usualy nice enough to consider answering, if noone else has already. I remember the time I didn't know and had to ask. Although I did get most pointers from ppl at PSO, rather than having to ask here.
Ofcourse it is always what I picked up, mixed with my personal interpretation of it. But when asked for opinion, I give mine, for them to do with as they please.
As for the changing mind, I personaly had to change my opinion several times because of information brought forth by ppl on these boards. I also know of some ppl at PSO that I helped make up their mind by giving my view.


Anyway Superguppie, my first post wasn't really directed at you specificially, but your post kind of provided me a good example to work from. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


I already figured it wasn't personal. But having seen your name around more than a few times, and getting the impression you didn't know a good reason for going legit, I was surprised. Hence the response.