Up yours, Ring

[Shimarisu]

No pun intended. This little cock has ploughed through everyone in the tourney, with a combination of Pouilly slime and Monest, winning on pure cowardice alone. I got beaten in 2nd round by this little shit, and as soon as I came out, found that everyone else in the lobby had been cheering me on. He's winning now in final, and I hope Sega realise from this, and patch the pouilly/monest cards.

He said "Yatta" when he won the last match. Rude little bastard.

- Shimarisu

[Zaneatron]

so is it over or not?

is it the same as yesterday just shorter? or just a tournament that the 16 of you play in?

ps, how many blocks are there on the final ship? or is it just a ship that you goto?

[decswxaqz]

Yes Shi. It was a cheap deck.

It was just the 16 of them in 1 vs 1 duel. I just about managed to get there in time for the final. Was trying all day -.-

But I managed to get movies of it all. I've just need to try and compress 8Gb of movies down =/

[Lit]

Yeah Arion I saw the match also and i saw the second round match also when you met Ring...Rings deck was....only Monest Pan arms..and red slime and ob lily,,,,well now everything is back to normal again in Epi 3 i guees....

[-STE-]

who is first and second?

[Zaneatron]

so how did you lot get on the ship?

[Lit]

On 2004-01-18 05:04, -STE- wrote:
who is first and second?



Ring first place...and i think LemonBomb second place....

[decswxaqz]

Guild card searching and constant Xing of the ship. When the figure went down to 239, you had to quickly exit, open up guild card, and meet someone who was already on the ship (thanks maliit, I used you to get there ^_^; ).

And then you had to fight to get into a card lobby so you could watch the tournament -.-

[Lit]

On 2004-01-18 05:05, Zaneatron wrote:
so how did you lot get on the ship?


Well it was tough..took me a while but just luck to get CUP ship ..so many people...with patience,,,you can reach anywhere hehe

[psojohndoe2]

decswxaqz, once you've properly compressed files, if you want i have about 40gigs of bandwith that I can use to host 'em for a while if you want ^_^

[decswxaqz]

Yes. I've just managed to get one of the files down to about 130Mb.... but there will be 4 of them in total :S. I'm trying to lower sound quality and picture quality a bit. What file size do you think would be good?

I had to split it into 4, because my PC card stopped when it reached 2Gb in size ^_^; . So there is about a minute gap in the middle becaues I didn't realise http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif ><

[Shimarisu]

It's now impossible to meet up with Lemon Bomb. I have his card, sent him a mail:

"You did well. To me, you are the true champion. You should know that I and it seems everyone, was praying for your victory."

He wrote back, in English:

"Thank you!!!"

Everyone hates Ring. What made me angry, was the other players were even less restrained than me.
They used rough language and cussed him out, but he didn't care.

What I said in the battle with Ring:

"That card is too strong. I used to use a deck like that, but it really is overly powerful. I give up, it's hopeless."

What other people said:

"Yabei" (this sucks.)
"Kuso" (Shit.)
"Mou dame" (god's sake/hopeless)

He never took one tiny little hint. If you hit him once, he made sad emoticons. If you got near him, sad emoticon. He seriously HATED being touched, so set up walls of monest if he felt slightly threatened. Only the final player got near him, and at the end, he would have won, if, as he said, he had "5 more minutes". He lost on time, and I swear to god that Ring was stalling. The whole tournament was won by the WORST PLAYER EVER, and for me, it's ruined the game. I don't know if I want to play any more. What a fiasco.

- Shimarisu

[psojohndoe2]

decswxaqz: 130mb is fine with me. When the b/w runs out, it runs out http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif i might get more, or i might not, it's not really that expensive. Just msg on AIM or something, and we'll work it out http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Shimarisu: There are players like that in every online game, it *can not* be helped. imo, Sonic Team needs to fix certain cards, to balance the game more, and make stronger rules for tournaments... imo, just stick to playing with people you know, and every once in a while play with public people ^_^ You cut down most of the idiots that way. ^_^

[Jools]

What deck did you use Shimarisu?

Jools

[Jonathan_F]

Is the BBS on the sonicteam website saying bad things about ring as well?

[Shimarisu]

I suppose what matters is, Mira, the person I beat, was impressed by my deck. I refrained from Arkz for this, because blocking strategies would have been unfair. Seriously, what can you do, if you are a gaijin player on a Japanese game? You have to make a good example. So I won with a fair deck, and Mira wanted my guild card. We spent the rest of the tourney together in view battle, cheering on everyone who went against Ring. God, fuck him, really, he does not deserve this accolade. I guess that's why the 2nd ranked guy is now the most popular person on the game. He had the balls to use Guykild, and even though I would not have done what he did personally, what he did was a damn sight fairer than what Ring did.

I now know next time, if I'm going to use banish (and I did), to not use Stella, because of fixed range. I fought a few people with that deck today, and it's very nice - strategy was to hide behind a high cost shield, and punch people with Virus, Banish and Earthquake, as well as getting a good hit in with a gun and wok. How to get three nice attacks with only 2 weapons equipped! I think I did well. And despite what people said to me before the tourney - stuff to the tune of "You know the Japanese players are better than us, just accept it", not one of them WAS better, the winner was a complete LOSER, and Mira kept saying "I guess it was obvious that the tourney finalists would be very strong, that is a very good deck," etc etc.

I feel all the better that it was not me who was cheap. Against Mira, I had to run twice, for which I apologised because it is cowardly, and the last time, when I had no cards to equip, and Mira had a clear hit on me, I took a chance, ran up and punched with Earthquake for a VERY close win. I had what, 1 HP left. I could have run from Silfer, but I thought, "Screw this, give em a chance, let's see what cards they have to face this off." Gamble paid off. And I think Mira was grateful that s/he did not have to fight Ring.

- Shimarisu

[Jonathan_F]

What truely amazes me is that there weren't any hackers out there like barubary trying to DDoS Ring and cause disconnection. That would have been the ultimate irony.

[-STE-]

well when i was on final of trial cup person who won won because he used a "bug" of game hucaseal dark enemy cant hit cant lose hp... very easy at that time now if a enemy die characters lose hp on trial NO... and was bug sometimes cany hit enemy on first strike.

Always the same not a real victory..

[YujiNaka]

MALK and I was playing against you(?) and your friend. (sorry if misstake) You both were using red slime deck too. First MALK and I thought we would lose against this, but we didnt. We won against 2(!) red slime decks.
So it happened to me more than only this one time.
The problem in this tourney was, that no assist cards were allowed. With float card you can easily walk over enemies and win against red slime decks.

I think they should change red slime card too anyway.

[Shimarisu]

Yujinaka, I only use pouilly deck against mothmant deck. Both are equally unfair, IMO. Anyway, I would never use such a cheap deck in an important tourney that people worked hard to get into. It's all very well in a throwaway battle, but NOT on Famitsu Cup.

I stopped using pouilly ages ago. It's still in my deck list though, because I know Malk and Maliit use mothmant decks. As did you, that one time.

Nice try.

- Shimarisu

[Shimarisu]

When you die, you see the Ring.

- Shimarisu

[kitomaka_ck]

LMAO. And for the whole cowardice thing, It's not being a coward to want to NOT LOSE!you don't have to apologize, unless it's really THAT important, is it? just wondering what they think about it...ok I'm done

[Getintothegame]

Heh, I couldn't get in the block :
Sorry to hear that.

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[HaLLa]

I got a question for all of you that have been playing a while.

Whats this Pouilly deck and how does it work.

Also how can decks be cheap? I say as long as no hacks its ok. Like what can they do thats cheap?

Just wondering since no online and havent had game too long.

Thanks a lot.

[Shimarisu]

The Pouilly deck, and IMO the Mothmant deck are two examples of almost unbeatable decks that have slipped through the stringent controls of Sega (hah!) in editing stats. IMO it's just the two, so they haven't done TOO badly here. But if you use a Pouilly deck, sorry, you are a coward. Or maybe just a noob, who saw a coward use it, was thrashed, and didn't know it was taboo.

Who invented the blasphemous Pouilly deck? Me. Kick me. I invented it in December. What does it involve? Just 3 Pouilly Slime and a variety of extremely CHEAP action cards. Everyone copied it, then just as quickly it disappeared off the face of the earth.
Use it, and you will be called a ASS by the normally restrained Japanese. I'm not freaking joking either, a certain Brazilian player has been tagged "aho", "baka", the works when I played with him and he used this FUCKING deck.

Now, it's a risky deck for a small field like Famitsu cup stage. So this little bugger incorporated the OTHER cheap deck, Mothmant, to back up his pouillys. He took advantage of the small stage (4 across) to place just 2 Monests and UTTERLY cripple the other player. Add a cheap blocker (lily) and a guard creature (Panarms) and you are sorted. Note what he did was to hide and attack the other player from the other side, with his story character. Bear in mind he used techs, so he could hit from miles away. Was this clever? Was it hell. It's an idea that has been around now since the game had only been out for a short time.

This is a cowardly deck, and unbeatable if you throw consistently AVERAGE dice - yes, only average. You only need FOUR POINTS at start to set it off, even throwing 3 and under the rest of the match, you would win.

So why is it cowardly? In the close knit Japanese game, where people play good naturedly, and all the high players know each other, THIS DECK IS TABOO. EVERYONE knows how to use it, everyone has used it in the past, everyone has found it to be too cheap. Yes, well done you Pouilly spamming arsehole, you have done NOTHING CLEVER in using this fucking deck. Everyone agreed with me when I got out of the game. Do you know, I got a lot of guildcards for having the balls to say it in front of watching Sega employees - "THAT CARD IS TOO CHEAP." I'm not dumb, I could play that card with my fricking eyes closed, as soon as I saw him using Memoru in fact (staple Pouilly deck character) I knew I was doomed. If anyone cares to translate what I said at the START of the match, when I saw him roll a 6, SAW him place ONE of these fuckers before my turn even started - "Mou dame ka" - THAT WAS SARCASM, IT MEANS I HAD HIM SUSSED, IT MEANS, I KNEW IT WAS OVER. I had his stupid lousy deck plan on my save file ALL along, I had too much honour to use it, DESPITE coming up with it myself. So saying to me, "Why is it cowardly to not want to lose", well, who's the coward here? Me with a bazillion cheap deck plans who NEGLECTS to use, or the little fucker beeing BOOED DOWN by 90% of the online community, who uses that deck plan purely to win despite it making everyone in the goddamn game hate his lousy guts?

I looked at my guild cards later. You should know at the start of the whole thing, the character named SONIC TEAM told everyone to exchange guild cards. I have the card of every single player except... that's right! You guessed it. Ring. He knew he was about to piss everyone off heartily, so he neglected to make us able to find him later. He must be about 12 fucking years old by the scale of Japanese politeness (never met anybody over 14 who was this rude) - get the rude little kids OFF this game, Sega!

Some advice to sega:

Make Monest cost 5.
Make Pouilly cost 5.
Make Pouilly AC unable.
Make Monest MV 0.
Make Pouilly have less HP
Make Pouilly have 2-3 TP
Make Pouilly cost points to move
Make Pouilly not have Breed ability (one free once you place a previous one).

DOING ANY ONE OF THE ABOVE TO EACH RESPECTIVE CARD WILL FIX THIS INSANE SITUATION. And you heard that from the deck CREATOR.

You know what? They could even, like Nintendo, do what they did in some tourneys and BAN MEWTWO, OR BAN MORE THAN ONE INSTANCE OF MEWTWO PER TEAM!

- Shimarisu

[derBauer]

Why can't you just congrtaulate Ring rather than insult him and complain about him.
He won playing within the rules Sega made. He didn't cheat to win, and he isn't talking shit about anyone who he beat. Don't be a sore loser.
If you want to complain, complain to Sega for making dumb rules.

[eRUPT]

On 2004-01-18 06:15, Jonathan_F wrote:
What truely amazes me is that there weren't any hackers out there like barubary trying to DDoS Ring and cause disconnection. That would have been the ultimate irony.



I think you have software cracking mixed up with script kiddies. There's a large difference.

To each his own I suppose though.

[Shimarisu]

On 2004-01-18 15:25, derBauer wrote:
Why can't you just congrtaulate Ring rather than insult him and complain about him.
He won playing within the rules Sega made. He didn't cheat to win, and he isn't talking shit about anyone who he beat. Don't be a sore loser.
If you want to complain, complain to Sega for making dumb rules.



Shut up. You have NO idea. Who the fuck are you anyway? You came here last month with that avatar, and I decided to make a little joke on mine, which is the same. I don't think you got the joke, because you copied it and now you are posting detractions to my posts. Don't follow me to the ep 3 forum and try to be an ass towards me.

Do you play ep 3? Do you speak Japanese and play with Japanese gamers? Do you know about the unwritten rule about slime decks? Do you know how it is considered rude to use it? How sega should patch it, but all have decided not to use it until they do? I don't need to slag off Ring here, his name is mud across the whole of ep 3. Nearly everyone online watched his tourneys. Everyone online agrees with me.

Understand that my little dig at your avatar was a JOKE, and you do not need to jump on my posts, thank you. And I already did post a complaint to Sega. So shut up, and once again, do not tell me what to do. Does this sound arrogant? Good, because now you know my nature. Nobody tells me what to do without getting an earful.

- Shimarisu



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[derBauer]

My point is that you were playing to play honourable, Ring was playing to win. There is respect in both.
But, in a tournament, where the whole point is to win, you play to win and nothing else. Or don't bother entering the tournament at all, because somebody else will be there to stomp your guts out on their march to victory.

[HaLLa]

Its true you can complain about it but he didnt really do anything wrong. Unless Sega banned the card. They may fix this in US version if it really is too strong. I have never used this. I only have 1 red slime so far, but good decks are going to keep coming about I wouldnt complain about them.

[kitomaka_ck]

Whoa whoa whoa, calm down, that's just how it works. And how the F*** did you get that I was calling you a coward? The way I see it, you can either:
A) Not use a cheap deck (I know, my friend has a very cheap MtG deck, noone will play him with that deck, so the honor thing is understandable, or:)
B) USE a cheap deck. You're not so much a coward, just a fool. As I said, there is no cowardice in wanting to win. But if you are willing to disgrace yourself to win, that is VERY foolish.

I understand you fully, but don't put words in my mouth, and pleasepleasepleasepleasepleeeeaaaasse watch the excessive swearing. It damages my earss...err eyes. But it's your choice. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

By the way, goddammit, you beat me to the rappy deck =( Oh well, what did I expect, I get this 4 months or so later anyways...

[Arislan]

One point that you have to keep in mind in this situation, is that this is a *Japanese* tournament. It's not international yet, and I highly doubr Famitsu, Dreamaga, or any of the other companies are going to bring out a tournament like this once the International crowd gets their claws into the game.

Point being, that in this tournament, you had better be Japanese, or at least have Japanese ideals. As such, Ring's deck, and his actions, are completely against Japanese culture and politeness. You may say that's not a big deal, or he did what he thought was right, and from a foreign country, with different ideals, you'd be correct. But in Japan, these kind of people, if over the age of 13, are told to shape up or ship out, cause Japan doesn't want them.

The culture here is entirely diferent than European countries where this would be frowned upon, but allowed, since it's free will. Japan has almost a Group Overmind type feeling to it, and even the nonconformists conform to each other to a large extent. To be an absolute individual here, which this person is doing, is only done by small children, which this person may very well have been, or a complete outcast from society. I'm just going to hope for the former and not the latter, and hope this kid grows a brain cell when he gets older and responsibility is thrust upon him.

People are allowed to be weird here, the thing is, everyone is weird, so it's ok to have your own little quirkyness about it. But to be impolite to those around you is fat beyond inexcusable in Japan.

[-STE-]

hehe he is free to use the strategy he want all know win with this deck is easy and not a real victory..
but if game allow you to do this is only Sega fault.

I remenber on trial cup sega staff told you can use or not use game bugs is only in your mind if you want win with a bug or not.
And this is true.

After all if u win with a nice battle you can be happy for this but if you win with stupid strategy i think you cant be very happy.

[Arislan]

Again, perfect European mentality, those statements illustrate it perfectly. Thanks for that. Not trying to diss that or anything, but that's simply not the way it works here.

There's a reason things change slowly in Japan. It's because in order to raise a complaint, you have to do so by being very polite and almost submissive about things. Sure, there are the people that outright say "service sucks" or "change this, we're not happy" but that's by far the exception rather than the rule here. Most complaints usually begin with a "Umm... Excuse me, but..." and go from there.

Point being, if this guy was doing it as a stunt to show Sega that the cards are overpowered, while it may have worked (may, we don't know if anything is going to change yet), he just managed to also destroy any chance at making any friends on the game, and pretty soon, playing at all with people. You'd better bet that the JP people are going to network real quick and find out who exactly this person is, whether they got his card or not during the cup.

[AndyPandy]

I have to agree, if this Ring person didnt use this deck, someone else would have. Its not his fault that this particular deck is so powerfull, but Sonic Teams lack of playtesting.

[Arislan]

Right, and it's ST's fault for not finding the Dupe bug for Ep 1 and 2. And it's Square's fault for having the vanish sketch glitch in Final Fantasy 3.

Just because a bug or an unintended effect exists doesn't mean it should be abused. Most Japanese people realize this, and out of respect, don't use it. This person simply was Un-Japanese for not following this unwritten rule.

To say that someone else would have is flat out wrong. Every other participant agreed after the matches that the deck was cheap and that they were not going to use it because of that. This person knowingly engaged in this act and attempted to do his best to avoid the repercussions (not giving out his guild card when prompted, ignoring and spamming to ignore comments, etc). This was all premeditated by one person, and was by far the irregular of all of them, including the gaikokujin among them.

[Russ2576]

Ugh, I hate people like that. People that want to win, no matter what. Even if it means being really cheap or cheating. And in this case...for the fame.

I don't blame you at all for being angry Shimarisu. Hell, I would be too. You played honorably and it's a real shame someone had to be a real dick and ruin the tournament http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

You know, when I play online competive games, it's all about the fun for me. Winning be damned. If I win, yay go me. If not, oh well. I'll live http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Yeah, this Ring fella may have won this tournament, but somehow I think the fame he earned isn't exactly the kind he wanted, lol.

And I too hope ST remedies this situation with overpowered cards.

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[AndyPandy]

On 2004-01-19 05:10, Arislan wrote:
Right, and it's ST's fault for not finding the Dupe bug for Ep 1 and 2. And it's Square's fault for having the vanish sketch glitch in Final Fantasy 3.

Just because a bug or an unintended effect exists doesn't mean it should be abused. Most Japanese people realize this, and out of respect, don't use it. This person simply was Un-Japanese for not following this unwritten rule.

To say that someone else would have is flat out wrong. Every other participant agreed after the matches that the deck was cheap and that they were not going to use it because of that. This person knowingly engaged in this act and attempted to do his best to avoid the repercussions (not giving out his guild card when prompted, ignoring and spamming to ignore comments, etc). This was all premeditated by one person, and was by far the irregular of all of them, including the gaikokujin among them.



Welcome to the real world....it sucks sometimes...but hey, your lucky this is only a game.

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[MinscTFA]

From my understanding it's all about honor in Japan. Since he played with dishonor he'll be shunned by the Ep. III community. He bacame "famous" by winning but not the type of fame I or anyone else here would want.

[Malkavian]

Yesterday I was watched in a 1 vs 1 game against endu using Pan Arms and Red Slimes and everyime I did something good the watchers were doing happy sounds. Saying Great, Bravo, etc.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
But the truth is that many people uses Pouilly Slimes... I played around 5-6 1 vs tourneys and around 50% of players I fought used them or monests/mothamnts family. And there is that player Jewel, she was rank 54 King that uses a deck very similar to Ring's one since 1 month ago at least.
Since I don't have Japanese ideals I don't find it rude to use them but is true that is very annoying to fihgt all time these type of decks.

[YujiNaka]

Hmm... I dont think I used dark deck that time we played against your red slime deck. (I rarely use dark decks).I used my RAmarl.

I think: its legal to win with this deck as long as he didnt used any cheats or whatever. Everybody could have used this deck.
And now this tourney showed ST that its unfair and must be changed. Without this guy, they even would not think about it.
And: mothmant deck is not that unfair. Get some companions to counter in your deck. should be no problem.

Calm down please. Its still just a game.

[kitomaka_ck]

Maybe the deck is only cheap because you do not know how to counter it.

[HaLLa]

Yea I would say as long as Sega doesnt change it or ban it or something its not cheap or illegal or anything so either find a way to beat it or just lose.

[derBauer]

Maybe the deck is cheap because they lost to it.

[Jonathan_F]

The real problem is that the game was created in the idea of player vs player. there is no world to explore against the computer. Truthfully, Thats what episode III is. It took an idea, gave it a storyline that nobody but japanese players understand right now and has absolutley no application online (for the moment, we'll see where ST goes with this). If you want a game where people don't get into such arguments and the whole gloating of "OOH I'm better loosers!" "That is unfairly overpowered" Play episode 1 & 2. (True, "dupe plz" exists but that's not the point.)

It'd be interesting if ST decides to redo the final round if those cards are retooled.

[decswxaqz]

To create a deck that can defeat a slime deck, means you will probably not be able to kill anything else. It would take some a.beast guard cards, which are not very useful, when most people play hunter decks. And with a combination of techs and physical attacks on slimes, defence cards would need to be tailored to these. Most people are physical hunter decks that I have seen.

[Shimarisu]

On 2004-01-19 12:23, derBauer wrote:
Maybe the deck is cheap because they lost to it.



Get off my case, and play the game before you make snap judgements.

As somebody else has said, you cannot incorporate red slime defense into every deck. There are only 30 cards to a deck, and my staple is about 8 defense, depending on deck (latest one has hardly any, but it's all down to a deck plan I made). Considering pouilly in EVERY deck ruins a lot of clever strategies - you just don't have enough cards to pull them off. And there are only 3 maximum of one type of card allowed per deck - so work it out, your idea doesn't work.
Say you had a good deck plan, but you needed to equip a certain weapon for it to work. Now, decks like this are discard decks. You have to throw your hand each time, 5 cards pop up, and you pray you get your weapon. Now, if somebody brings out pouilly, you have to now THROW that weapon to get the one of three pouilly killing cards on the deck. That's stupid shit right there.

There are certain combos in the game that kill things outright. To me, these are a staple to any deck, because if a cheap card is brought out I can counter it. None of my clever combos kill pouilly, because pouilly's stats preclude this.

I'll give you two examples:

AP/HP swap + Heavy Blow

Heavy Blow reduces AP by 3, and AP/HP swap in place with this, swaps the AP to HP, so if it's now zero, the card is destroyed. This works on 80% of cards in the game. It does not work on Pouilly, because Pouilly's AP is 4, not 3. And even if it did work, a new Pouilly is free to place - the opponent is simply going to bring out another.

Minor Death + HP Halver

HP Halver knocks HP down to half, Minor Death kills outright anything with HP less than 3. It doesn't work on Pouilly, because Pouilly has 9 HP (this SERIOUSLY neededs to be reduced, NO card costing 4 is as powerful as Pouilly! Even 4 coster S cards!)

Major death would work. But last I checked, no FO weaps for example have this ability, so this means you can't play as a FO now? Don't be thick.

Let me tell you something, you got me all wrong. ALL my decks are cheap as holy hell. I play dirty, and I play to win. I play with cheap combos. But ALL my work can be countered by an equally good player.
Pouilly cannot. I found this out early on, and I stopped using pouilly, because Pouilly is BORING. Who wants to win every time?

I know how to counter red slime, thanks. In case you didn't notice, I invented the deck.

All counter strategies, even if you incorporate them, rely on luck so you draw them. Counter strategies also, compromise your deck if the other player does not use that notorious deck you want to counter. Please do not get cocky with me, there's a reason why I'm a high ranking player, I play this game a lot, do you? Malkavian says that Pouilly is common. It's not, Malk needs to find the top league and play with them. Little kids use Pouilly. I find though that if I enter a tournament, weak players don't join. My level's just too high, and now, I'm just a bit well known. POuilly is something that low level players do to gain levels fast with guaranteed wins. It's a noob tactic. If you want an example of how Malk's reasoning is skewed by his own perpective as a lower level player (not that low, 30 something IIRC), yesterday he was seeing Pouilly all day. I played all day, saw not ONE pouilly deck. In fact as a high level player I probably see it only once a week, if that. That's why I didn't expect to see it in the final, what self respecting high ranker uses such a cheap deck?

- Shimarisu

[AndyPandy]

Its the same with all PVP online games, there is always people that will do anything to beat you. Ive been playing competitive online games for....well lets just say, a long time. From Quake, to Unreal Tournament, to Enemy Territory, and recently Star Wars Galaxies, FF online, the list goes on. EVERY game has these sort of people, they will use any means they can to beat you either by using exploits or codes. My current game, Star Wars Galaxies is no different, it has server side saving, but people are willing to put their account at risk of banning just to get ahead, ....sad but true. Needless to say, 60 people got banned just after christmas for exploiting.


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[Armok]

Its always sad when the mightly Samurai get beaten by some idiot farmer with a rifle but thats how its always bean.

No matter how much pratice and skills u have, a far superior weopon will always win. I totally agree that any cheap desks should be removed.

[mkay]

Id rather play for the sake of paying and to have fun not to win. although some people play this game just to piss people off, you have to realize that there are always people like that. And I don't really see the point in trying to win a big tournament except for bragging rights. So I would just say screw tournaments and play for fun with people you know. Thats what the game is all about.