Online ettiquette

[kingmurp]

I didn't know if I should post this here or not. Anyways, I have no problem with cheaters, except when there's a legit game, and they enter. Usually if they leave then it's okay, but why do they come in a game labeled legit. Just to start something. Claiming an item or something too. Why do cheaters do this? Show some decency.

[Superguppie]

Sadly, the answer is simple. Not that I understand it, as I am polite. Actualy I am so polite I don't cheat online at all. But that's another discussion.

Oh, and that simple answer is "Because they can". There are always people that, for some messed up reason, take any opportunity they can get to misbehave. Especialy if they can get away with it. And sadly in PSO you do get away with misconduct like that. Although I do understand the XBox version has a way to file a complaint, and if enough people complain action is taken. I wish GC had that...

[Shazbot]

I think dupe users join games with "Legit" in the title for several reasons:

1. A lot of dupe users have been bitched out by what they see as sanctimonious legits. Some are pretty sore about it so they join a legit game to get back at a legit and, for them, any legit will do.

2. They are new to online gaming and are not familiar with the the terminology used to differentiate between those who cheat and those who don't. Nobody was born knowing what a "dupe" is. We all had to learn at some point.

3. Many people have different ideas about what it means to be legit. I've met "legits" who think traded items are legit, I've met others who say they are legit except for X items/duped materials/Photon Drops/ etc., and I've met others who claim their uber rare is legit because it was a gift from a friend.

4. Miscellaneous reasons. Because they can. Because they're bored. Because they want to argue. Because they want to see if anybody will notice. Because they don't see what the big deal is.

Any of those.

[Divest]

Personally, if you didn't find ALL of your own items (Yes, this means no trading), I think you have no reason to bitch at others. And even then, you still have no real reason, because you can't really say whether or not the other person you are attacking is truly hacked/cheating/duped or whatnot.

[OriginalLacan]

I asked a guy who did this to me once, why he does crap like this, and his response was.

"Because I'm sick of you whiny legits, and if I hassle you enough, maybe you'll leave."

Brilliant! You hate a group of people because they force their views down your throat, so you're going to get them back by forcing yours down their throats. Don't forget to drop by the bank and withdraw your God/Hypocrisy ++..

When clowns do this to me, I usually just pipe up to pioneer 2 and leave. no muss, no fuss.

[_Ted_]

I really don't understand why someone would go through all the trouble of getting PSO online and paying for it each month just to be a jerk when they play it. Whats the point? Are they not annoying enough in the real world? Are they just stupid?

[Creasian]

From those i know who play online within the last year, you would be surprised how many of the legits went cheater after months and months of harassment.

Of course they are sore, and are going after players who label themselves legit. How many posts have we had here of legits getting the bokken by other legits?

Your not going find much decency unless you earn the trust of players. Players as in both legits and cheaters. You want a pie and to eat it too, your not gonna get it, and its selfish to think you cant stand to work things out and must fight.

Yes its your game but it is also a ONLINE game, your going to have to coexist with other players. PSO as such a @#%$@# up way of online dynamics its not funny, yet nexttime someone starts in on you, stand your ground but try and see if you can come to some sort of agreement.

Doing that will get you the 'world' you want online so much, fighting isnt going to do it, 3 years has proven that hasnt it?

[OriginalLacan]

From those i know who play online within the last year, you would be surprised how many of the legits went cheater after months and months of harassment.

Of course they are sore, and are going after players who label themselves legit
those people need to pull the nipple out of their mouth and grow the hell up...

Personally, I can care less if you're legit or not, unless I'm trading something or I am in a legit marked game, and there are many that feel the same way. I don't walk around condemning people for using hacked items in open games, but many times, I just feel like playing with other legit players. how is that selfish or unreasonable?

If I make a legit game with a lv. 15 character equipped with a saber +1, and some max stated player comes in with a hacked mag and super-weapon, how would you suggest we compromise?

The problem with exploring the values of negotiation, and talking out your problems is this:
In order to come to a compromise, you need two people with enough intelligence to negotiate. If one person is an idiot, then that whole ideal solution breaks down. If I walk up to a brick wall and politely ask it to move, I don't think it will, regardless of how hard I try to compromise. When you try to preach logic to an idiot, it is just like talking to the wall.

I get along just fine with the non-legit players. The people that I don't get along with are the little mental-2-year olds, and there is no reason why I should. You don't walk down to the corner and invite the local crackhead to afternoon tea do you?




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[Creasian]

On 2004-01-20 23:59, OriginalLacan wrote:
From those i know who play online within the last year, you would be surprised how many of the legits went cheater after months and months of harassment.

Of course they are sore, and are going after players who label themselves legit
those people need to pull the nipple out of their mouth and grow the hell up...

Personally, I can care less if you're legit or not, unless I'm trading something or I am in a legit marked game, and there are many that feel the same way. I don't walk around condemning people for using hacked items in open games, but many times, I just feel like playing with other legit players. how is that selfish or unreasonable?

If I make a legit game with a lv. 15 character equipped with a saber +1, and some max stated player comes in with a hacked mag and super-weapon, how would you suggest we compromise?

The problem with exploring the values of negotiation, and talking out your problems is this:
In order to come to a compromise, you need two people with enough intelligence to negotiate. If one person is an idiot, then that whole ideal solution breaks down. If I walk up to a brick wall and politely ask it to move, I don't think it will, regardless of how hard I try to compromise. When you try to preach logic to an idiot, it is just like talking to the wall.

I get along just fine with the non-legit players. The people that I don't get along with are the little mental-2-year olds, and there is no reason why I should. You don't walk down to the corner and invite the local crackhead to afternoon tea do you?




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I like your reply, good points.

By selfish i meant the overall displayed attitudes. I know alot of the players who get along with others regardless of playing preference exist, but generally they will never be as loud and outspoken as those who judge and label those different. I do apologize if it sounded like if you want to do this or that today that it is selfish and you shouldnt, as i merely meant that its a online game that is going to somehow ask you to play with all sorts of people.

I brought up those who "need to remove themselves from their mothers teet" because that is where you get alot of the most outspoken "cheaters", just like you got the hardcore legits who are also so loud. It is one thing to just see idiots come on as they allways were, but its another matter that the PSO online attitude in general has through situational incidents, robbed those of their fun and thus made them full of spite. Not a excuse, but a observation.

Yes, there are those who do become a Wall. Yet the point is to keep trying. There is nothing bigger that can ripple through a community of online players like a respectful reputation. It was apparent in so many MMORG's out there, its a generally proven thing now, especially in cross culture Games. Most times people just give up after maybe 10 times in a row of meeting a child, but that 11th that you turned away like the others MIGHT have understood and respected you. If he respects you, then his friends will because they will listen to someone they respect as well. The respect will ripple down that river in time..

If i sound holier than thou, it is not so. I am just being loud on my perspective. Maybe it is because i am not choosing the normal "cheaters or legits sux", so that might be why i sound too preachy.

I am not saying create a family deal on PSO, but merely a system of being civil.

[BogusKun]

Hardcore cheaters will be the end of cheating. Don't worry... it'll end soon.

[Superguppie]

I want to believe that, but I don't see it happening. Not sooner, not later... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Nice thought: If the worst of the cheaters are the end of cheating, I should be encouraging them. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[BogusKun]

Well you noticed how most of the cheaters/hackers/spammers' population have died down. Not to mention most other types of players.

[rulicia]

To me if a cheater joins a game that named legit
that to me is rude. Most the cheaters that come
in a legit game are them ahole types or ones who want
to make some legits mad. When I playing my non-legit
char I don't go in legit games. The only time I
go in a legit game when I playing my legit char.

[SpyroDi]

The last 'cheater'(as people call them)that joined one of my legit games was there just to steal experience. I asked him why he was here,his reply was simply:

Because this is the easiest place to do it.

As you can see,there are many assholes in the world,however some show decency and/or honour and not degrade themselves for guilt later. Some people actually have feelings,unlike the generalized.

[AUTO_]

On 2004-01-22 09:45, BogusKun wrote:
Well you noticed how most of the cheaters/hackers/spammers' population have died down. Not to mention most other types of players.



I think they're moving on to new things to f*** up.

I've been noticing a lot more 'legit' games these past few weeks. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif

[Superguppie]

I did notice less posts here from some of the people that call themselves hackers/cheaters. Not really noticed less posts in general.
In PSO I always play in quiet backwater places with some friends and however drops by. And lately the number of drop bys has been a little higher than usual. Not many bad cheaters there though.

But if BogusKun is right, the bottom line is the end of cheating equals the end of PSO. (The cheaters leave with the legits, ending it all with no players...)

[ILLI]

Ill tell ya what gets my gander..

Im in a TTF room one day.. running around with a red ring on.. well it just so happens that a horsey in ruins decides to drop a meteor cudgel.. i grab it up.. when i ask what id this room was the leader, who was skyly, tells me that its her room what did i find.. i told her i found a sword off a horse.. she tells me its a meteror cudgel and that since im not legit i should give it to her..

Hmmm.. since when does being legit mean everything you find in a room with a legit goes to the legit?? I of course did not give the item to her.. She proceeds to tell me what an azz i am and that im rude for not giving the item to her.. I politely told her that just because I was non legit, it didnt mean i wasnt hunting for items.. I let her know that I had a legit hucaseal that would like the item..

That wasnt good enough for her.. she ripped into me and made me actually feel guilty.. but then i remembered something.. Whoever finds the item has dibbs on it plain and simple.. no matter if the person is legit or dupes..

Just another case of a legit feeling like the rest of the pso population owes them something... Hey you made that choice to play the way you did, so don't be making other people out to be bad people cause of your choices..
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[BogusKun]

Blah I type this really long post just to get automatically refreshed before submitting

Too make it all short... I was in the same situation as you ILLI. I found a DOUBLE SABER in Ruins and turn level 200 before any codes or mass dupe was around.

It's a shame how we can't get along, but yes... the best way to handle stress is to confront the problem head on or go away.

[Star_X]

I may be a dupe user, but I at least am smarter than most of the idiot hack users.

I have several legit goals: Sange, Yasha, and the Ancient Saber.

I'm raising 3 different mags (one at a time); a max dex mag, a max pow mag, and a max mind mag. All of them are Mark3s.

I will NEVER use hacks (well, except for 100% hit items, but that doesn't really count seeing as how you still miss with 100% hit, and it really is a waste having that much hit%). Even though I have an Al Rappy unit, I will never use it, and will get rid of it as soon as the friend who wanted it takes the piece of crap. TJ swords don't count as hacks to me, though, seeing as how they're able to be gotten legitly now (I still won't use one on my hune, though).

I don't go into legit-only games, either. I only play with my buddies.

Some may say I'm stupid, but considering the facts, I'm a lot smarter than most duper noobs.

[oeagrus]

I will NEVER use hacks (well, except for 100% hit items, but that doesn't really count...

<sarcasm>
I don't do drugs, except for alcohol, but that doesn't really count.

I don't break the law, except for speeding, but that doesn't really count.

I don't eat meat, except for fish, but that doesn't really count.
</sarcasm>

Dude, yours wins as the most asanine post of the New Year! Speech! Speech!

[OriginalLacan]

off topic, but I feel it might help.

If you're typing a long post, preview your message every few paragraphs. that it will save the message you've written so far instead of refreshing to a blank page. It seems to work for me.

[ElizaBluefull]

I usually avoid games that say legit only, even if I am legit. The reason is because I do not appear to be legit even though I am legit. The majority of my items were given to me by online legits while I was offline for my 300 hours. But I did find most of what I use, and I did raise my own mag, trading for its cells while still offline. But the times when I have entered legit rooms, I have received terrible treatment. I figure a refused revival and the loss of 200k meseta was a good enough lesson to learn that the title of legit game usually means that either I use my Caduceus/Demonic Fork in there or I just make an open game and hope people jump in.

[Kurosawa]

I don't think dupe users deserve to get rares. I also think the room maker should have first shot at rares. When I do go into an open legit game, if I find a rare, I offer it to the room's host. Now if I've somehow wondered into a game with a duper as host, I keep all red boxes I find because they already can get anything they want, and therefore deserve no rares. But I avoid open legit games because cheating scum have a nasty habit of entering them. Dupe users are usually the greediest players as well, often leaving the team to run to boxes, and grabbing every red box.

ST, along with being useless in how they deal with cheating and duping, also don't enforce online ettiquette rules dealing with language and offensive behaviour at all. That's why idiots spam racist shortcuts and symbol chats.



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[BogusKun]

On 2004-01-23 14:51, OriginalLacan wrote:
off topic, but I feel it might help.

If you're typing a long post, preview your message every few paragraphs. that it will save the message you've written so far instead of refreshing to a blank page. It seems to work for me.



Heh, I type on either my own computer or word processor now. But thanks for the advice ^_^

Sorry. Been away, and somewhat forgot what I wanted to say.

[-Luke-]

I made a game called "cheaters plz" in the hopes legit players would enter to assault me, at which point I would tell them I wanted legit players to play with, and if I called the game legits only, cheaters would enter to annoy me.

First player enters:
Hi(me)
Cheating loser (him)
I explain my situasion. His response
Stupid f.ucker, wasting my f.uckin time dumbsh.it

mmkay. He didn't want to play, just give me shit if I was a cheater. I quit and went offline.
Luke

[OriginalLacan]

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