Dear Nintendo: Do you like recycling?

[KodiaX987]

I check the games list for GBA once in a while and love a few reviews and check out screenshots to see if any games might be worth it. Had a load of fun with Metroid Fusion, FFTA, Mega Man Zero, et cetera.

And then came the SNES games.

Now, I wouldn't say anything had the game been bundled along with an updated version - for example, Metroid Zero Mission had the original Metroid game on it too, sweet. But then I see a game called Contra Advance. I pick it up, check it out, and in all respects, it seems like the old SNES Contra 3... I run it, only to find out it WAS the SNES Contra 3. No update, no upgrades, zip, zero, nothing, nada.

I met the same thing with Mario Advance. Mario World was meant for the SNES. The SNES, dammit! How do they expect to make 4-button games out of those that required 6? Simple, they downgrade. In Contra Advance, you get only one weapon instead of two. In Mario Advance, the controls are horrible beyond recognition. But the point is: they just took a buried game from the shelf and shoved it into a GBA cartridge.

...And then those guys wonder why emulation is so popular. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Chaos_Phoenix]

Wanna know why Nintendo does this? Because nastalgia sells. Look at the sells charts on all these "new" games that are remakes of old. At least now, they're smart enough to change the names of recycled games. (Sword of Mana is actually Final Fantasy Magic Quest for the GB.) Oh, and I don't mind them revamping old games, 'cause hopefully, the graphics are better. If not, can you really hate Nintendo for remaking all these games? I mean, they just try and give the ppl what they want. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rant.gif

[Hikara]

I agree KodiaX. They DO recycle a lot, and try to make it into a game with only.... four buttons, is it? What is Nintendo thinking?

If it weren't for PSO, PSO 3, and........ oh yeah, Super Smash Brother's Melee, I would have given up a LONG time ago.

Hurray for emulators!!! ^_^

[Skuda]

some of the classics are good to see again. like super mario advance 4: super mario bros 3. That game kicked butt!

[Skett]

I have to disagree somewhat. Old great game sell. They are being smart. Besides, its not like Nintendo is the only one who is doing it. Sony is going to be doing it with their PSP. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft do it with their greatest hits/platinum hits/players choice games.

Edit: You think Mario World has bad controls? What kind of hands do you have?

Besides, you want to complain? Complain how this game industry has no innovation left in it.



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[ABDUR101]

He has a point. Games like Contra 3, the original gameplay had some strategy elements to the weapon use. An example would be having the spread type, for crowd control, along with laser for specific shots on bosses.

If you take out a "feature" such as that, and try to pass it off as the original, you're fucking anyone who enjoyed the original for what it was, because you changed it's gameplay.(And thats quite a change really, because you're limited to a single weapon and have to literally suffer because of it)

And I have to agree, porting games just for the hell of it doesn't help anyone when most games on the SNES took use of every single button on the controller, even the Select button had a use more often than not. =

It doesn't really bother me, it's just one less game I'll buy because of bad planning on their part.

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[Skuda]

plus, if there are a bunch of game obsesed childlings who didn't have th chance to play these games because they weren't born, it'll be a great oportunity for them to check out the lcassics.

[echo-2003]

On 2004-02-24 12:11, Scott_Kuda wrote:
plus, if there are a bunch of game obsesed childlings who didn't have th chance to play these games because they weren't born, it'll be a great oportunity for them to check out the lcassics.



My thoughts exact. Sure there is the money side of it, it's business afterall, but it is and will come a time again when whole generations have not played older games so it only makes sense to re-release them updated or not. I mean in 10 years how much you wanna bet we will see some of today's game re-released to a new generation?

EDIT: Actaully Kodia, Contra 3 for GBA did have some changes to it, they took out the mode 7 levels and put in new regular side scrolling ones.


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[Deathscythealpha]

Too many old SNES games are being ported, but i doubt they will stop doing it, its easy money for them.

Oh, and Contra Advance was slightly different to the SNES version with the dropping of the top down sections and some new side scrolling levels being added. SOmething with the GBA (most likly the lack of buttons) made the top down areas impossible to do, so they added in some spangly new levels. DOnt know what there like though cause im still chewing the control pad from the original.

[BogusKun]

Recycling is good for the Economy... or is that the environment?

Economy: Nintendo makes money off old games kids now-days don't understand

Environment: Saves trash, collect boxes for art.

Economy: Nintendo knows the elements to stay alive within their own specialty... VideoGames...Not movies like StupidSony and Get'sNoSeXBOX put out.

Environment: Captain Planet Sez So!

Economy: Good Quality Games for CHEAP! BRING BACK PONG AND DONKEY KONG...

All-in-all.. Nintendo is doing everything to stay in the race the way they always have. The environment has nothing to do with Console Battles/Wars what-so-ever.

[Gnarled_rose]

Actually, if it weren't for my 'rents, I'd have gone to PS a long time ago.
But the whole revamping games thing: Yeah, the younger crowd gets to see cool classics and the older crowd gets to revisit old classics, but does that mean they'll be selling Super Mario World and Contra 3 every ten years until they go bankrupt? I'm tellin' ya, we need less VG designers raised on the same TV shows, coming from the same schools and backgrounds.
The only company that using the same basic style works for is Blizzard, although quoting Artanis:
This is not Warcraft in space! Ah, good ole Starcraft...Anyway, nice topic for a rant. Won't be dying down anytime soon.

[Hrith]

yeah, Nintendo seems to be fond of this, this is an ever-lasting debate on that other French forum =/

SEGA > Nintendo

The GC suffers from the same problem, nintendo games completely lack innovation (safe Metroid Prime).

[Arislan]

Umm, FF:MQ has nothing to do with Sword of Mana. Sword of Mana is a COMPLETE revamp of Final Fantasy Adventure. The only things that are the same about it is a part of the plot shell, a couple bosses, and some of the enemies. Almost everything is new to the game series.

[BogusKun]

OMFG KEf Sed SEGA PwnS NiN!?

No, actually... tis the other way around my friend.

[Chaos_Phoenix]

Umm, FF:MQ has nothing to do with Sword of Mana. Sword of Mana is a COMPLETE revamp of Final Fantasy Adventure.

That's the one! I knew it was the dumb one from the original GB, just couldn't remember the game... Oh, and Nintendo even admitted to reusing the story so.. yeah...

Anyways, with the PSP, Sony is just trying to compete with Nintendo, which is kinda pointless. I mean, instead of competition, how 'bout we see more Nintendo+Sony games? I mean, with the announce of the PS3, imagine the graphics of a Nintendo game on there!! (Not to spoil anybody's fun, but Nintendo is sharing rights of LoZ w/ Sony... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif This means, Zelda might be appearing on it sometime in the future.)

But, remakes aren't ALL bad, but can get kinda tedious. And the button conversion is also really annoying, but we just have to deal. As long as ppl buy it, it's gonna get made. Oh, and just to spite you, Rose *Stabs topic repeatedly with his sword* There, now it'll die down http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Stormsworder]

(Is playing Mario World on GBA) They did it so that people could play the games on the road. I don't think that you would want to lug your SNES to every hotel you go to to play a game on there.

[Orange_Coconut]

Well, plus it's a new generation out there. SNES was new 13 years ago. I think that it's a compilation of different things.

1. ^ New generation

2. Nostalgia (Oh HEY, I remember that game!)

3. Add-ons. (Not a personal reason of mine).

4. Travel-able.

5. Scams (For instance, Kirby's Nightmare - It's Kirby's Adventure with new graphics).

That's all I can think of at the moment, but I bet there are more.

[derBauer]

Kod, wonderful post.

I don't own a GBA and would to like to but nostalgia is only enough to make me think about old games, not shell out $100+ to play the same thing over again.

[Hrith]

On 2004-02-24 20:37, Orange_Coconut wrote:
1. New generation
then new playerd get old games, we had new hames, they should, too.

2. Nostalgia (Oh HEY, I remember that game!)

if that was applicable, then they should sell the games at MUCH lower prices.
and for nostalgia there's emulation, most SNES games are no lobger copyrighted anyway (not being produced)

[Orange_Coconut]

I know, I never said they were my reasons. There are some people who find emulation wrong, and don't download emulators nor roms.

Truthfully, I agree with you. I don't like how many ports they have been sending to the GBA. It's different when it was a game only released in Japan or something, but these are common games. Some from the NES, some from the SNES, and some re-done from the Gameboy.

The children of this generation have every right to play the games, I never said I would like to deny them that right. I might have misinterpreted your post, sorry if that's the case.

[Arislan]

What? Nintendo sharing rights for ANYTHING with Sony?
You're not going to get me to believe that one without a press release from one or the other company speaking of this. Not going to happen.

[Chaos_Phoenix]

*searches Zelda Chronicles* dang, can't find the bloody conference that has it. But, both Zelda Chronicles and SONY mentions the sharing rights on their webpage. If you have time on your hands, I guess you could fish through the mass of stuff. I'll keep looking, but it was a while back. They could've gone back on the word. (It was last August when it was announced...)

[undevil]

Nintendo doesn't care about you. They care about your money. The simple fact is that you have to deal with it, or don't buy the games.

I have a few of the recycled games like Yoshi's Islans, Super Mario World, and another one (I forgot the name). The controls are harder, but they are fun to play in long car ride trips.

[BogusKun]

Hmm... next thing you know we will have a giant black garbage bin with NINTENDO in red on our outside lawns... (for some in the bigger homes, you have a huge car lot, like myself http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif )

Yup... and we recycle our old games we no longer need.

[Armok]

Basically old games are great but I aint paying for a game a second time just to play it on a hand held.

As for the GBA there are loads of original games. Sonic Adv, Adv wars and my personal fav from the makers of Shinning Force Golden Sun.

As for the rehash of mario games it s just shameful. I'm sure they could have just made a complete mario disk with them all on but the spread it over 4 so far full priced disks.

[BogusKun]

Bring back BareKnuckle a.k.a. Streets Of Rage2!!!!!!

[Arislan]

It may be shameful, but those games have been responsible for a HUGE volume of sales in GBA games for Nintendo. Why keep them together and only make one large lump of money when you can make 5 games and make 5 large lumps of money?

[undevil]

Yeah, it is all about profit, which is why I respect Nintendo in that issue.

[Solstis]

*hides his copy of Super Mario World 2 and Metriod Zero*

Yeah! *shakes his fist*

Nintendo suck!

*Goes back to playing his GBA*

[Armok]

Least they gave me a free LoZ disk for my gamecube. Makes a nice coffee cup mat.

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-02-25 16:09, Solstis wrote:
*hides his copy of Super Mario World 2 and Metriod Zero*


Actually I'm all right with Zero Mission because they at least re-did the whole spiel altogether. It is inspired from the old game all right, but it's not a copy. They re-did the graphics, the sound, the layout, they re-did everything. At least they are bringing forth a newly made product.

[Ness]

I hate the fact that Nintendo just keeps making sequels. I mean Super Mario 64 was nice and all, but I want to plays someone different than Mario, Link, Samus, Kirby, or any of their other mascot character. That's why I like my Xbox so much: it's different.

Also the whole recycling thing is just as bad at the sequel thing. Instead of making more new games, they just port their old ones. I know they were good games in their time and they were the origins of most games out there today, but originality is nice too.

[KodiaX987]

On 2004-02-26 05:17, Ness wrote:
I hate the fact that Nintendo just keeps making sequels. I mean Super Mario 64 was nice and all, but I want to plays someone different than Mario, Link, Samus, Kirby, or any of their other mascot character. That's why I like my Xbox so much: it's different.
That's because the X-Box has no mascot at all. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Also the whole recycling thing is just as bad at the sequel thing. Instead of making more new games, they just port their old ones. I know they were good games in their time and they were the origins of most games out there today, but originality is nice too.
I'd say worse, simply because a sequel at least involves a minimum of innovation. Yes, Mega Man Zero 2 plays nearly the exact same way as Mega Man Zero 1, but at least you get some new levels. Okay, not much to brag about, it's the most bare bones expansion ever, but at least, you know, you venture into some new environments. Go figure why, I liked playing MMZ1, and even though MMZ2 was technically just a buncha new levels, I liked it too.

Basic formula: The rate of creativity put into a game is inversely proportional to the amount of kids who will scream to their mom "I WANT THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!111111"

[Scejntjynahl]

On 2004-02-26 05:10, KodiaX987 wrote:

On 2004-02-25 16:09, Solstis wrote:
*hides his copy of Super Mario World 2 and Metriod Zero*


Actually I'm all right with Zero Mission because they at least re-did the whole spiel altogether. It is inspired from the old game all right, but it's not a copy. They re-did the graphics, the sound, the layout, they re-did everything. At least they are bringing forth a newly made product.



This is what needs to be done with all "remakes" note, remake, not rehash. Metroid Zero should be the norm of all remakes. Brings back the feeling of the old but with that "new" smell to it. I mean, why pay more money for a game you have already beaten again years ago. Its like buying the same game twice but on different formats, errr, wait some ppl actually do that, meh.

[Deathscythealpha]

On 2004-02-26 07:57, Furankunichan wrote:
Its like buying the same game twice but on different formats, errr, wait some ppl actually do that, meh.



Erk. *hides his copy of Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic CD PC, Sonic and Knuckles 3 on the PC (basially any re-released version of Sonic), Marvel vs Capcom 2 on PS2 and Street Fighter Alpha 3 for GBA*

I agree with the remake thing in some way. Its nice to see new versions of old games, but sometimes developers just use the name of an original game to sell the remake, doesnt matter if its a good remkae or not.

Sadly i am buying MGS:Twin Snakes even though ive played my original copy of MGS to death.

[Hrith]

Xbox ? what's a Xbox ? what are you talking about, Ness ?

I agree about the sequel thing, except for Metroid Prime, this was NEW.

[KodiaX987]

Agreed - although they could really have worked on the control scheme. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I took 10 minutes just to get used to 'em in the demo. I spent the next 10 minutes TRYING to remember what each button did! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Why didn't Nintendo go for the standard diamond layout like everybody else... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[undevil]

X-Box kinda sucks. I only play my SNES. And maybe my GBA sometimes, and my N64 sometimes.

[BogusKun]

They have those SNES/ARCADE games playable on XBOX now... as well as N64.

That's the power of cheese.

[Scejntjynahl]

sorry, i didnt mean to spam this thread.



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[BogusKun]

Man... you're making me hungry... I must go to McD's now, as soon as I find my driver.

[Hrith]

And this is called spam >_>
if you can't help it, stay in FK.

[Ness]

On 2004-02-26 07:47, KodiaX987 wrote:
Basic formula: The rate of creativity put into a game is inversely proportional to the amount of kids who will scream to their mom "I WANT THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!111111"



'Tis the sad and inevitable truth.

[Arislan]

So I'm assuming then based on that that SMB3 was just a freak accident? Heck, the cry for that game spawned a Nintendo produced movie/advertisement, The Wizard.

[Kiara]

I really don't have a problem with the porting since most people buying them never got a chance to play them in the first place. Though it tends to give younger gamers (like me) the shaft because we didn't get to play those games with all their features in tact (like in Contra) we atleast get to play them. Who knows? Maybe Nintendo will release a new 6 button GBA sometime?


On 2004-02-24 17:13, BogusKun wrote:
OMFG KEf Sed SEGA PwnS NiN!?

No, actually... tis the other way around my friend.



Actually I disagree. Sega > Nintendo.

When Sega makes a game they usually don't just slop together some crap from a previous game and sell it off as #2. The fact Sega the console maker is dead and Nintendo lives is mostly Pokemon's doing. ("Damn you Pikachu for killing my parents!") Long live SEGA.

[KodiaX987]

Actually the first place got traded a few times in my opinion.

-Nintendo makes the NES. They are #1.

-Sega releases the Genesis. They become #1.

-Nintendo makes the SNES. They become #1.

-Nintendo makes the N64. More #1 0wnage.

-Sega releases the Dreamcast. Nintendo goes #2.

-The PS2 arrives. Sega and Nintendo are both dumbfounded and self-collapse from the shock. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Hrith]

this does not apply to Japan, nor France actually

[-Luke-]

MMkay. What the fuck. Why do so many people think Xbox sucks? And why call it DontgetnoSexbox. Thats like the morons who call gamecube gaycube. I am sick of stupid arguments like:
Xbox sux m4n.
Why?
Uurrrr...cos is big innit.
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif
Yeah, like it or not, its your preference. Whichever has the games you like, whichever you like. But saying anyone of the consoles sucks without a valid reason is stupid.
Fin.

[Hrith]

Xbox sucks with a valid reason http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
better ?

there's not one game that could make me buy an Xbox, not a single one http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Armok]

Nar its the general opin of the PS2 having the best games that always confuses me.

I'm sorry but i really cannot name one game I would bother to buy one for. Escially at launch the hype around the poor start line up was sad. Tekken tag and SSX snowboarding plz dont get me started.

[KodiaX987]

All that X-Box and PS2 stuff is cute enough, but let's stick to the topic of game rehashes.

[Inu_Ranma]

You know what annoys me sometimes, but I think is hilarious at other times?

I think it's funny when one game is a re-hash (or re-titling with a few sprites changed) of a completely different game! I find it hilarious!

Example: Kirby's Avalanche, Some weird ghost game, and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (I don't know which came first.)

Yeah. ^_^

[Deathscythealpha]

On 2004-03-01 02:24, Inu_Ranma wrote:
You know what annoys me sometimes, but I think is hilarious at other times?

I think it's funny when one game is a re-hash (or re-titling with a few sprites changed) of a completely different game! I find it hilarious!

Example: Kirby's Avalanche, Some weird ghost game, and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (I don't know which came first.)

Yeah. ^_^



Dr Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine (really bad name) was a re-spriting of 'Puyo Puyo Pop'. It was a cute, anime styled puzzle game that SEGA didnt think would sell outside of Japan because of its cute anime content, so re-sprited it to cash in with the popularity of 'The Adventure of Sonic the Hedgehog' cartoon series (yuck, horrible, horrible series).

I think 'Puyo Puyo Pop' was re-released on the GBA recently, but im not sure, meant to be a great game though. I would link to more infomation on the changes, but i fear a banning (Sonic Cult aint exactly cute, lots of swearing and...stuff).

[Scejntjynahl]

The ultimate reharsher are the new handheld consoles. In example: NCage, like half of its limited titles are rehashes of older games. Wtf, new system with old games, great idea, shees. And at what price, like over 300 dollars, and I get to play Pandemonium (which I had passed already like years ago...) w00t!! NOT.

sidenote.
Xbox doesnt suck, it just doesnt have many games that appeal to me, say only a very few amount. But not enought to warrant a purchase of over 200 dollars.

PS2, please, they really havent use the DVD capability to its fullest. And why would I want a new DVD player anyways. I have on in my computer (came like that) and another stand alone DVD player hooked to my TV.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-02-29 08:41, Kef wrote:
Xbox sucks with a valid reason http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
better ?

there's not one game that could make me buy an Xbox, not a single one http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif



I said the same until I heard Steel Battalion came out a year ago... then I heard an online version was coming out.