MY stupid people rant

[Solstis]

It's about time I ranted about something.

This has to do with some of the discussion in the "reality tv" topic.

I'm tired of people using that "you're not black if you don't listen to rap" phrase. For one thing, black people were around a long time before rap was ever even thought of, and secondly, why are the majority of these "haters" white? Don't get me wrong, some black people will talk about your dislike for the rhythms and such, but won't say that you aren't really black.

Why is it that white-teenage-suburbanites (I'm a suburbanite too, but that doesn't count) feel like they can? Gragh! And I know that I shouldn't generalize, but I'm talking from (annoying) experience.

I do like some rap, but I prefer: Rock (acoustic, alternative, classic, and plain 'ol), blues, jazz, pop (and K-pop, that half-koreaness coming in), and classical. Am I not "black" enough then?

People (not all of you), you need to get over yourselves, or at least, your self-images.

[Sord]

we don't talk stuff like that around here. heck, i hate most rap, and a lot of other people like it, though we all seem to like punk rock. Any ways, my school is pretty much prejudice free. Though a kid in my class is black, and he's gettin all the girlies, white, black, and freckly ( http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif ).

Fortunately the girl i like could care less about him. Must call her! *picks up phone, puts it down, picks it up, sighs and puts it back down) Argh, how do i know the parents won't answer?!

[_Ted_]

I dislike rap heavily. I'll running screaming from the room waving my hands around in the air like I'm on fire before I'll sit there and listen to it.

Sord, go over to her house, sing to her from underneath her window and send us pictures of the flower pots and various objects that she throws at you.

Just kidding. The chances are that when you work up the courage to call her, she won't be home. No use worrying about it!

[Ness]

I agree with you for the most part, but I get more crap from black people about "not being black" than I do from white people. A lot of people think that white people are still out to get us, but I think our biggest racial enemy right now is ourselves. Seriously, have you seen the way we treat each other? The whole "you're not black if you don't like rap" thing is an excellent example.

This is the way I look at it: You (a "black" person) say I'm not representing because I don't conform to stereotypes set up by the mass media. I say that you are full of crap and you just show people that we (black people as a race) are a bunch of blind, conforming dipshits. The truth is that we are both representing black people. You represent the trashy (note how I used trashy instead of poor because there is a difference) black people who live in the "hood," sell drugs, pimp out hoes, conform to stereotypes, make leaders like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King turn over in their graves and are pretty much good for nothing. I represent that black people who think for themselves, try to change their situation, have an education, are functional members of the community, and are going to do something with their lives. In short we both represent our race, you represent black trash (again I avoid the word poor becasue not all poor people are trash), I represent the black elite and chances are there someone out there who represents the middle grounds.

Now before people start posting huge flames and trying to get me banned from this forum, consider the following:

1. Nowhere in that post did I generalize.
2. What I said is 99.99999999% true and needed to be said.
3. I am black so I cannot be considered racists for saying this.
4. I am not attacking people who like rap in any way; I am attacking the black people that ridicule those that don't.




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[Sord]

On 2004-03-10 19:30, _Ted_ wrote:
Sord, go over to her house, sing to her from underneath her window and send us pictures of the flower pots and various objects that she throws at you.

Just kidding. The chances are that when you work up the courage to call her, she won't be home. No use worrying about it!


harhar. I've called her before and gotten a hold of her, and when the parents answer, i don't like their tone of voice. I'm afraid of adults hating me when they've never even me me http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif I should make this my own little rant.

EDIT: And i totally agree with you Ness, accept for being black, I'm white, with a bit of red skin i guess cause i'm part cherokee.



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[Ness]

On 2004-03-10 19:49, Sord wrote:

EDIT: And i totally agree with you Ness, accept for being black, I'm white, with a bit of red skin i guess cause i'm part cherokee.



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I too have Native American blood flowind through my veins. Did you know that if you can prove that you are 1/8 % Native American, your college tuition is free? Or atleast that was true in 2000.

Back on subject, thanks for agreeing with me.

[Firocket1690]

On 2004-03-10 19:59, Ness wrote:
I too have Native American blood flowind through my veins. Did you know that if you can prove that you are 1/8 % Native American, your college tuition is free? Or atleast that was true in 2000.

Care to explain why ?
Racist goverment !! XD
... that was sarcasm

[Kiara]

I don't like most rap, because hearing about Dr. G Dawggy Dawg pimping his hoes and shooting people fails interest me. Conformists are funny since they tend to jump ship over and over, one week you might "not really be black since you don't listen to rap" and the next you're "gnarly." Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever get over all this racial profiling crap. *sigh* Oh well it's to late for me to think of anything decent to say on the subject http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sleepy.gif *fades out*



On 2004-03-10 19:59, Ness wrote:
I too have Native American blood flowind through my veins. Did you know that if you can prove that you are 1/8 % Native American, your college tuition is free? Or atleast that was true in 2000.


You serious?

[Ness]

On 2004-03-10 22:54, Kiara wrote:


You serious?



Yeah, but like I said the information is 4 years old so things may have changed.



Care to explain why ?

I have no idea why.

[Armok]

Native americans get free collage Tuition. Dam them my country men didnt cross the oceans, kill them all and steal their lands just for their suvivors to get a free ride while others pay.

No really though basing a thing like collage tuition fees on race is to be honest in my opinion Racist. Poorer familys should get the free fees not just ethic minorities.

[Armok]

Oh and on topic I like all forms of music but refuse to buy any commercial music out of spite for the industry.

[_Sinue_]

Did you know that if you can prove that you are 1/8 % Native American, your college tuition is free? - Ness

Yes. In fact, I'm eligable - but I refuse to take that money. Even though I can trace my roots back to Mary Buck (daughter of Miami cheif Little Turtle) I have much much more Irish, Polish, German blood in me. I don't think it's right to take advantage of the system like that, and take money that is designed to help more true blooded Native Americans out.

Armok, I don't think you understand the position of Native Americans over here. That collage fund was developed to help people off the reservations get an education and make a decent living for themselves. You do realize that reservations are not considered US territory, and so Native Americans living there are not granted any sort of federal aid or services. The level of poverty in many reservations is staggering. Many young Native Americans simply don't have the money to do ANYTHING about their situation. That's why the collage fund was developed.

Think of it like this.. they're reppirations. For all we did to their people.. it's a bit of a slap in the face how small of reppirations they're getting.. but at least it's something. Maybe if they had a Million Man march like the Black people did.. they could raise awareness of their situation.

.. oh wait.. I don't think there's even a million of them left anymore. Oh.. That's right.. we commited Genocide agaist them and nearly wiped their entire culture off the face of the earth so that we could rape their land with industry and build stronger this government THEY helped to create, and that THEY have been dying for all this time. (Yes, there have been Native American regiments in nearly every single American War up to and including Vietnam. I don't think they section them off in their own ranks anymore - but they were there durring the Gulf War and Operation Iraqi Freedom as well.)

[BogusKun]

I can't see how Rap is only for black people... I mean come on... Eminem and Vanilla Ice started it... in my opinion.

Just like Tony Hawk drew in skateboarding... then Rod Mullen... is skateboarding for white people just because they do it?

I think that this world is still filled with ignorant "dudes"

[Ness]

On 2004-03-11 08:58, _Sinue_ wrote:

Yes. In fact, I'm eligable - but I refuse to take that money. Even though I can trace my roots back to Mary Buck (daughter of Miami cheif Little Turtle) I have much much more Irish, Polish, German blood in me. I don't think it's right to take advantage of the system like that, and take money that is designed to help more true blooded Native Americans out.


I paln on taking advantage of it if necessary.



Armok, I don't think you understand the position of Native Americans over here. That collage fund was developed to help people off the reservations get an education and make a decent living for themselves. You do realize that reservations are not considered US territory, and so Native Americans living there are not granted any sort of federal aid or services. The level of poverty in many reservations is staggering. Many young Native Americans simply don't have the money to do ANYTHING about their situation. That's why the collage fund was developed.

Actually, they are considered US territories, it's just that the state governments have no jurisdiction ove them. The Federal government still has control over them.


Think of it like this.. they're reppirations. For all we did to their people.. it's a bit of a slap in the face how small of reppirations they're getting.. but at least it's something. Maybe if they had a Million Man march like the Black people did.. they could raise awareness of their situation.

Actually, many Indian tribes are using the money they get off casinoes to imporve life on the reserves.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-03-11 10:08, Ness wrote:

Actually, many Indian tribes are using the money they get off casinoes to imporve life on the reserves.



My uncle used it on me and his kids.

[_Sinue_]

I didn't realize they are still under federal jurisdiction. The federal government doesn't involve themselves much into NA affairs unless they stand to gain something from it.

As for the Casinos, yes, they are using them to better themselves. However, it's detrimental as well, since the temptation of gambling is always around. What happens in that the casinos get richer, and the people get poorer. While the casinos do bring money into the community - they also take money away from the individuals.

Unfortunately, Casinos are one of the very few ways of bringing in revenue aside from crafts and tourism since they don't have the natural or economic resources available for much else.

[opaopajr]

OT: NA have technically triple citizenship: federal, tribal, and federal ward (protectorate status sort of... like how some children are "wards of the state" very rough analogy).

They are american citizens due to the naturalization act of (god help me and my historical dates) 1929? They are also citizens of tribal reservations (land reserved to the NA nation from the rest of USA citizens - in theory), and wards of the feds due to the continual existence of the BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs).

Considering rez's have had around 50%~80% unemployment for most of the 20th century (over 10% unemployment is considered horrific, 25% in US Depression was nigh apocalyptic, 50~80% is beyond normal human comprehension) they are getting much overdue returns. The rez's have the highest rates of lack of plumbing, electricity, overinflated cost of living, and alcoholism. It's a miracle they've survived at all. The evils and temptations of gambling have been handled in such a mature manner that it's mind boggling - i cannot imagine another group pulling the amount of assistance they've pulled off.

ps: one can tell NA Studies was almost my minor http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Back on Topic. Totally feel you Ness about that stereotypical nonsense. But considering I'm used to seeing black people all gothed-out or punked-out or something equally "unlikely" over here in the SF Bay Area I really wonder whether those difficulties are as prevalent here too. They probably are, but so much "out of the ordinary" is ordinary here, and no one really cares about it, that i'm willing to go out on a limb here and say black people here are more "over it" on this issue than perhaps the rest of the nation. though i don't live west oaktown, hunter's point "ghetto fabulous" dream so what do i know... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Majadamus]

Am I not "black" enough then?

I'm not quite sure if the original poster is black but hey, I'm black. (Believe it or not.) I have been listening to rap most of my life, and hey it's what I've grown up with, it was kinda forced down my ear like, "You're black you're suppose to lisen to this and NOTHING ELSE BUT BLACK MUSIC!" But as I've grown older I've learned to like just about every genre of music with a few exceptions *cough* Country *cough* Heavy Metal.

If someone says to you, "Hey, you're not being black enough!" or "You're talking like a white boy!" Ask them to define what being "black" or what being "white" is, and they'll look like total fucking ignoramuses. They probably won't realize it because they're so brainwashed on stereotypes that they'll never realize people can't be judged by their skin color.

I've dealt with it all my life, just try to keep your distance from these type of people.

[Ness]

On 2004-03-17 18:03, Majadamus wrote:


I'm not quite sure if the original poster is black but hey, I'm black. (Believe it or not.) I have been listening to rap most of my life, and hey it's what I've grown up with, it was kinda forced down my ear like, "You're black you're suppose to lisen to this and NOTHING ELSE BUT BLACK MUSIC!" But as I've grown older I've learned to like just about every genre of music with a few exceptions *cough* Country *cough* Heavy Metal.

If someone says to you, "Hey, you're not being black enough!" or "You're talking like a white boy!" Ask them to define what being "black" or what being "white" is, and they'll look like total fucking ignoramuses. They probably won't realize it because they're so brainwashed on stereotypes that they'll never realize people can't be judged by their skin color.

I've dealt with it all my life, just try to keep your distance from these type of people.



That's a good way to look at it, but I like mine better. Of course your strategy works for anyone, mine only works against other blacks.

[Solstis]

On 2004-03-17 19:09, Ness wrote:


On 2004-03-17 18:03, Majadamus wrote:


I'm not quite sure if the original poster is black but hey, I'm black. (Believe it or not.) I have been listening to rap most of my life, and hey it's what I've grown up with, it was kinda forced down my ear like, "You're black you're suppose to lisen to this and NOTHING ELSE BUT BLACK MUSIC!" But as I've grown older I've learned to like just about every genre of music with a few exceptions *cough* Country *cough* Heavy Metal.

If someone says to you, "Hey, you're not being black enough!" or "You're talking like a white boy!" Ask them to define what being "black" or what being "white" is, and they'll look like total fucking ignoramuses. They probably won't realize it because they're so brainwashed on stereotypes that they'll never realize people can't be judged by their skin color.

I've dealt with it all my life, just try to keep your distance from these type of people.



That's a good way to look at it, but I like mine better. Of course your strategy works for anyone, mine only works against other blacks.



yeah, I'm a half-ie. But, giving them a witty retort is about as useful as giving a dead man a million dollars.

EVERYONE is brainwashed to some extent; it's just that some of us realize it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif.

[shifter]

On 2004-03-11 09:53, BogusKun wrote:
Eminem and Vanilla Ice started it... in my opinion.


dude, what are you talking about? rap has been around since the late 70's and didnt get popular till the mid 80's.

anyway, one topic, try going to an all black school where most of the people who think there "thugs". these "thugs" from the south(if thats possible) think that im some how not black cause i dont dress like them or listen to rap. i havent been able to listen to rap since freshmen year of high school, since i found out that most of it was just music stolen the 80's and 70's.
most of the thugs that i know of dropped out of school years ago(before graduating high school and in some causes grade school), so most of these so called thugs are just oxymorons.

o no, im wearing levis, some columbia shoes and a no name t-shirt, i guess im not black. i listen to music that isnt rap, i guess im not black.
get real, dam possers, i grew up in southwest philly and spent lots of summers over my grandmas house in north philly, so i know a thing or two about people who consider themselves thugs, and let me tell you, the majority of the people who consider themselves thugs arent. there just following a very stupid trend that single handedly helped to bring our people.

of topic again, is that native american-free tuition thing ness was talking about availible for students already in college? cause these tuition payments are killing me.

[Ness]

On 2004-03-17 19:51, shifter wrote:
[of topic again, is that native american-free tuition thing ness was talking about availible for students already in college? cause these tuition payments are killing me.



I have no idea. You may want to ask whoever is in charge of FA over there.

[Majadamus]

since i found out that most of it was just music stolen the 80's and 70's.

Ya, I'm really fucking pissed that a lot of today's music is derived from the 70's,80's and even the early 90's. I personally think the 80's had the best music, cuz, shit, the music is so good you can hear it in all forms of music today. I'm not going to deny that I like today's music, I'd just wish they come up with some original shit that would define our generation for fuck sakes. Example: I'm listening to 311-Love Song, and think to myself, "This is too good to be a 311 song, must be from some another song." And I was right it was The Cure- Love Song.

What has happened to originality? DAMN!




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