Poll: Episode 1&2 Vs Episode 3

[Manwe_sulimo]

Thanks for participating
When the official versions of Episode 3 are released in US and Europe, will you:

[Para]

Playing both but I would play Episode III more in the meantime since its new hehe

[navci]

Mainly Ep 3. That's what I have been doing. But, mind you, Ep I and II has worn me out for the sheer bad luck I have... very discouraging.

[Blitzkommando]

Having EPIII, I don't play it much even so. I voted mainly EPI&II due to the fact that I am still searching for my stuffs and still will be for a bit yet. So.. yeah. EPIII for when I am bored of the first, which is very rarely.

[teflon]

I've been playing Episode III since Oran has some of the worst rares and it's a pain in the ass to raise a character to decent levels that has a good Section ID.

[rising_sunset]

I don't like EP3, it really sucks with the cards and turns and stuff. So I ONLY play ep1&3 because way better. ^__^

[Orange_Coconut]

I'm not sure if PSO Ep.3 is rentable... But I really wan to check it out. I'm a card game fanatic, I have tried out many different types of games. Some are better than others, yes, and some are more like fads. But this is a card videogame. I love cards, and I love videogames, plus I really want to check out the battle system!

But I love PSO epidoes 1&2 also. I have recently gone offline though, but during the summer I am thinking of renewing my HL. The thing that'll rock is if I like PSO Ep.3 I can play either game anytime I think? Same HL for both games right? :D

[SolRiver]

Been playing ep3...

I had played ep1&2 style since DC version... had enough... but I might go back to ep1+2 once in awhile... very unlikely

[Sparticus]

well i wil continue playing episode 1&2, mainly because i don't own a copy of the game. if one of my mates got episode 3 there may be a chance i would play it.

[Zeroy]

i love ep. 1&2, and i want 3 just for the story line.

[blazeking240]

ep 1 and 2 always

[Zeik123]

Yeah right. I can't stand what they did to PSO. A card game? COME ON! I mean that's not PSO. That's just soem messed up Poke'mon card game. I thik they need to come out with another with the same layout of 1 and 2.

[Para]

On 2004-03-17 16:02, Zeik123 wrote:
Yeah right. I can't stand what they did to PSO. A card game? COME ON! I mean that's not PSO. That's just soem messed up Poke'mon card game. I thik they need to come out with another with the same layout of 1 and 2.



I think people are just judging episode III too much by its "cover"

[shifter]

for me its both equal for the time being. Ep 1&2 still have a good hold on me but right now Ep 3 is starting to loosen it. but down the road, Ep 3 will probable run Ep 1&2 off my gamecube. wait, did i just say that.

[Makarov]

EP I&II Mainly, for one I dont have EP III, and im not that big a fan for it changing like that -_-. I am going to have to play it first before I buy it for sure, never know... it might be fun =/

[Majadamus]

I've played PSO Ep 1&2 more, but as of right now I'm trying to put more time into Ep3. Voted Mainly Ep3. And Ep3 is mucho mucho better than Ep1&2 in offline single player mode. I'm not sure about the online mode yet. If you have any sense you will get EP3, NOW!!! Screw all you who say Ep3 sux. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Makarov]

hey, but seriously is Ep3, just a PSO Yu-gi-oh?

[Arislan]

It's as much Yugi-Oh as Battlefield 1942 is Quake. Sure, both use guns, and both involve killing the opponent, but the games are entirely different.

Ep 3 is a strategy game, not a card game. It uses cards as a mechanism to determine the abilities of your character and what it can do in a given turn. Really, give it a try, a rent, anything, and you'll soon see that it's not a Yugi-Oh clone.

Damn it, why can't people call it a Magic clone? Why does it have to be Yugi-Oh?

[AndyPandy]

On 2004-03-18 03:34, Arislan wrote:
It's as much Yugi-Oh as Battlefield 1942 is Quake. Sure, both use guns, and both involve killing the opponent, but the games are entirely different.

Ep 3 is a strategy game, not a card game. It uses cards as a mechanism to determine the abilities of your character and what it can do in a given turn. Really, give it a try, a rent, anything, and you'll soon see that it's not a Yugi-Oh clone.

Damn it, why can't people call it a Magic clone? Why does it have to be Yugi-Oh?



PSO3 is a game of chance..much like all card games..when you become a master at playing in reality it all boils down to the luck of the dice throws.

[Manwe_sulimo]

Thank you all for participating so far. Your opinions have been most interesting. However, I must express my own: I will NOT be buying, playing or otherwise doing anything whatsoever to do with Episode 3. My reason? very simple, really. If I play a card game, it's because I want to play a card game. If I play an action/RPG, it's because I want to play that. call it what you will; a YU-GI-OH clone, an MTG clone. It doesn't matter what you think is cloned; It's still a CARD game, masquerading as a console game, and a blatant cash-in on the Japanese card game craze. If you like this type of game, fine. But on behalf of all RPGers out there, I say keep PSO PURE!!

[BOmar]

When we finally get it over here, I will probably play Episode 3 a little more, but after a while will play them both equally.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-03-21 09:11, Manwe_sulimo wrote:
Thank you all for participating so far. Your opinions have been most interesting. However, I must express my own: I will NOT be buying, playing or otherwise doing anything whatsoever to do with Episode 3. My reason? very simple, really. If I play a card game, it's because I want to play a card game. If I play an action/RPG, it's because I want to play that. call it what you will; a YU-GI-OH clone, an MTG clone. It doesn't matter what you think is cloned; It's still a CARD game, masquerading as a console game, and a blatant cash-in on the Japanese card game craze. If you like this type of game, fine. But on behalf of all RPGers out there, I say keep PSO PURE!!



Yeah, turn-based random-encounter battle system all the way!

Ep3... Meh. The graphics are actually worse than Ep1&2s, Ep1&2 manages to have better cutscenes with crappy expressionless 3D models than Ep3 does with drawn cutscenes, the gameplay is alright, but horribly slow and stupidly unbalanced, and I have a hard time convincing myself to play it. I also dislike most of the characters, and from what I've seen/heard the story was pulled completely out of their asses and they've retroactively screwed with continuity. WTF? Gah. Not to mention that 90% of your time is spent either standing around editing your deck while waiting for a tournament, or sitting in the lobby while waiting for a tournament, or wandering around looking for another tournament because you had to cancel the one you were in because some L93 JP player and friend joined it. >_<;;; Granted, it was on the other side of the bracket, we wouldn't have seen them until the Finals, but give me a break.

I'm gonna stick mainly with Ep1&2, I think. My Rati still need a few more levels, and I have rares to hunt, C-mode to do, people to hang out with... Yeah.

Oh, and on Ep1&2, nobody can play Let Mom Sleep.

[Para]

On 2004-03-21 16:11, Ian-KunX wrote:
Yeah, turn-based random-encounter battle system all the way!

Ep3... Meh. The graphics are actually worse than Ep1&2s, Ep1&2 manages to have better cutscenes with crappy expressionless 3D models than Ep3 does with drawn cutscenes, the gameplay is alright, but horribly slow and stupidly unbalanced, and I have a hard time convincing myself to play it. I also dislike most of the characters, and from what I've seen/heard the story was pulled completely out of their asses and they've retroactively screwed with continuity. WTF? Gah. Not to mention that 90% of your time is spent either standing around editing your deck while waiting for a tournament, or sitting in the lobby while waiting for a tournament, or wandering around looking for another tournament because you had to cancel the one you were in because some L93 JP player and friend joined it. >_<;;; Granted, it was on the other side of the bracket, we wouldn't have seen them until the Finals, but give me a break.

I'm gonna stick mainly with Ep1&2, I think. My Rati still need a few more levels, and I have rares to hunt, C-mode to do, people to hang out with... Yeah.

Oh, and on Ep1&2, nobody can play Let Mom Sleep.



Your opinion of graphics isn't very valid since that is more of a matter of opinion. Honestly, I wouldn't say they got worse or not but definitely theyre good in their own way. As for graphical detail, Episode III is more detailed in terms of weapons and characters (and their costumes). Also the backdrops and enviromental detail has increased as well.

As for deck editing, that's another part of the game. Thinking, planning, innovation, ingenuity and creativity. When it comes to creating and editing your deck, many factors come to mind on how to build your deck. Use your imagination, think about situations which certain monsters, weapons, techniques, and actions will benefit. That's one of the major parts of the game. Of course if you are not much of thinker, then of course this game isn't for you. Phantasy Star Online Episode III is something where it requires you to plan a bit more ahead of time instead of just pressing A,B,X,Y buttons.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-03-21 18:26, Nites wrote:

Your opinion of graphics isn't very valid since that is more of a matter of opinion. Honestly, I wouldn't say they got worse or not but definitely theyre good in their own way. As for graphical detail, Episode III is more detailed in terms of weapons and characters (and their costumes). Also the backdrops and enviromental detail has increased as well.

As for deck editing, that's another part of the game. Thinking, planning, innovation, ingenuity and creativity. When it comes to creating and editing your deck, many factors come to mind on how to build your deck. Use your imagination, think about situations which certain monsters, weapons, techniques, and actions will benefit. That's one of the major parts of the game. Of course if you are not much of thinker, then of course this game isn't for you. Phantasy Star Online Episode III is something where it requires you to plan a bit more ahead of time instead of just pressing A,B,X,Y buttons.



It is a valid opinion, and perhaps I was not clear enough as to which aspect of the graphics I was reffering to. Alright.

The colours seem washed out and lifeless, in all situations, but especially in lobbies/the Morgue. Even going to the Ep1&2 lobbies it looks off.

The shadows are horrible. Absolutely horrible. Blocky jagged featurless black pieces of crap. Ep1&2s shadows were by no means perfect, but Jesus wept! This is pure ass, even the DC's circle shadows looked better!

In-battle graphics are improved somewhat, yes. A complete lack of any sort of variety to anything in them, however, leaves them feeling very bland and lifeless. Some stages are very well done, but some feel drekky, and even my favorite has one of the most disgusting graphic annoyances in the game - When it transitions between being 'inside' and 'outside' there is a very noticable pause and skippiness that irks the living hell out of me.

Ep1&2 actually manages to look more 'real' and convincing to me than Ep3. This is opinion, but stating that my opinion is invalid merely because it does not agree with yours is the ultimate in arrogance, and yes, I know damned well that I'm being arrogant here myself, but not nearly as badly. Your opinion is valid, to you it seems improved. Good. It looks worse to me. Since all the equipment I'm using is the same for both games, I can only come to the conclusion that since Ep3 looks worse to me rather than better, that it actually -is- worse.

The manga-style cutscenes are reasonably decent, I suppose, but lack any sort of life, IMO. They also seem somewhat grainy. If a well-thought out shot of Elly's character model in SotH can express far more emotion to me than a drawing of Ino'lis, something is very, very wrong somewhere. Possibly with me, but also possibly with the way the cutscenes themselves are handled.

I know deck editing is part of the game, as is thinking and planning. Gee, I never would have bloody guessed that without you telling me, thank you ever so much. My annoyance is not with that, but with how much more time is spent doing that than is ever spent actually USING these wonderfully thought out and brilliantly planned decks, or the time spent sitting uselessly in the lobby. And usually nobody wants to socialize much while they're doing it, either. Hells, I can get more socialization playing offline bashing the COM and chatting on IM than I can in Ep3, which completely removes the point of playing online for the most part, at least for me. Another irky point is that of course you STILL can only have 4 people in a team, and since nobody wants to spend time in the lobby when they could be busy editing their decks, you'll have a joyful time trying to talk to more than three other people at once. You can't mail while you're editing, nor can you do it very well in a battle. The social aspect of the game that I enjoy and bother playing online in the first place for is almost completely lacking in Ep3. It is not the game for me, no, but not for the reasons you shallowly assume it isn't. Planning? Thinking? Strategy? Sure, why not.

Oh yes, Ep1&2 is all just random thoughtless button-mashing. I'll bet you're wonderful at C-mode with that additude(Arguments can be made that Ep2 C-mode with its set monster spawns is like that, but Ep1 C-mode at least is very much not). Indeed, if it's so mindlessly thoughtless, why were you ever wasting your time with it in the first place?

You like the game. Fine. I don't particularily care for it, because most of the elements I enjoyed Ep1&2 because of are mostly or entirely absent.

And I still stand by the fact that on Ep1&2, nobody can play Let Mom Sleep. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Para]

First of all its not my opinion that it is better or not but technically it is better. It is like Warcraft III graphics and Starcraft graphics. Graphically it is improved but which one is better is your opinion. How valid my arguement is based on facts. You are basing on opinion yourself thus there is no merit on how good your opinion is.
I mean heck new game, you expect some kind of an improvement.
Again with the manga style cutscenes, it is your opinion whether to like them or not. They aren't something too new since if you were a player of the old PS series, you know SEGA has used this idea before.
If you dislike the fact that you spend time without being able to socialize, guess that's your opinion as well.
And usually nobody wants to socialize much while they're doing it, either.
That's opinionated. Honestly, sometimes when I'm constructing decks with Magic (Which I dont play anymore) discussing strategy is quite essential. Having multiple minds than just one really does help create your deck.
and since nobody wants to spend time in the lobby when they could be busy editing their decks, you'll have a joyful time trying to talk to more than three other people at once.
That's also opinionated. If you check out episode 3's BBS screenshot gallery, a lot of the Japanese players love to socialize in the lobby. Can't stress enough how many screenshots they've took are group gatherings in the lobby.

As for C-Mode, c-mode takes a lot of teamwork mind you. The main point I see it is this type of gameplay is not your cup of tea but yet you don't have to trash everything else of episode III down.

[TheGoldenVoid]

Well if you really want to play a Collectable Card Game online, the last place you should go to do it is Ep3. There are far better, long-established CCGs around. PSO is an in-your-face dungeon crawler, all this collectable card stuff is a nonsense if you ask me.

[Para]

However PSO is not just a collectable card game. It is a tactical strategy game. Thats what seperates PSO EpIII from just other TCGs.

[Mr_Special]

On 2004-03-21 09:11, Manwe_sulimo wrote:
Thank you all for participating so far. Your opinions have been most interesting. However, I must express my own: I will NOT be buying, playing or otherwise doing anything whatsoever to do with Episode 3. My reason? very simple, really. If I play a card game, it's because I want to play a card game. If I play an action/RPG, it's because I want to play that. call it what you will; a YU-GI-OH clone, an MTG clone. It doesn't matter what you think is cloned; It's still a CARD game, masquerading as a console game, and a blatant cash-in on the Japanese card game craze. If you like this type of game, fine. But on behalf of all RPGers out there, I say keep PSO PURE!!



so when are you gonna want to play a card game? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
isn't PSO1&2 a blatant cash in on the Hack & Slash craze?
most "RPGers" consider Hack 'n slash games to be a Sub-group of RPGS, as in lesser.
why should we try to keep anything pure?

and whats wrong with card game being console game?
i really don't see how it could be "masquerading" considering it has "CARD" in its title... all in caps... and in a bright font...

Ep3 is also a strategy game.
and its not all about luck, i get horrible rolls but i still win a lot because i balance my decks and i take avantage of the 8-point max rule.

i also find it funny, or rather ironic how selective people are being... when i first played PSO i thought the Mags seemed a lot like Pokemon... hey there's a lot of mag raising in PSO, PSO IS POKEMON!!!11



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[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-03-22 04:22, Nites wrote:
First of all its not my opinion that it is better or not but technically it is better. It is like Warcraft III graphics and Starcraft graphics. Graphically it is improved but which one is better is your opinion. How valid my arguement is based on facts. You are basing on opinion yourself thus there is no merit on how good your opinion is.
I mean heck new game, you expect some kind of an improvement.


What 'fact'? The fact that you think they're improved? Did you not read my post at all? I even SAID that yes, in SOME WAYS they are improved. In others, they are actively inferior, in my opinion. This is how I feel, and you cannot say it is valid or invalid, just as I cannot say that yours is valid or invalid. To you, yes, everything is apparently sparkly and new and shiny and perfect, to me, I notice glaring flaws, some of which are technical, factual points that are not arguable. The shadows are poorly done, there isn't any variety in battle sequences, and there are places where transitions between things are so choppy that it glares at you.


Again with the manga style cutscenes, it is your opinion whether to like them or not. They aren't something too new since if you were a player of the old PS series, you know SEGA has used this idea before.


Uh, yes, I know this. My complaint is that the colours are lifeless and washed out in them, they are small, and generally ineffective to me. PSIV, for example, has the same type of cutscene, but does not suffer from the same issues as Ep3's cutscenes. There, it works, here, for me, it does not.


If you dislike the fact that you spend time without being able to socialize, guess that's your opinion as well.
And usually nobody wants to socialize much while they're doing it, either.
That's opinionated. Honestly, sometimes when I'm constructing decks with Magic (Which I dont play anymore) discussing strategy is quite essential. Having multiple minds than just one really does help create your deck.


Yes, that is my opinion. Apparently unlike you, my primary goal in spending time online is to have fun playing with and talking with my friends. Ep3 is a very competitive enviroment. Yes, having multiple minds can help, but people are generally focused on their own deck.


and since nobody wants to spend time in the lobby when they could be busy editing their decks, you'll have a joyful time trying to talk to more than three other people at once.
That's also opinionated. If you check out episode 3's BBS screenshot gallery, a lot of the Japanese players love to socialize in the lobby. Can't stress enough how many screenshots they've took are group gatherings in the lobby.


That's factual, actually, in my experience. And pardon me for asking, but what the HELL do the Japanese have to do with the AMERICAN version of the game, outside of coming to our ships to beat up on the unexperienced players? Good, the Japanese like to socialize in the lobbies on Ep3. The Americans in my experience DON'T.

Kindly DO NOT use completely irrelevant arguments when stating your opinion.

"Most Japanese do not use dupes or hacks, therefore there is no problem with dupes or hacks."

Notice how RETARDED that sounds? You know it's bullshit. I know it's bullshit. Nobody is going to try to use that kind of argument. So why are you trying to do the exact same thing, may I ask? Is it because the idea that someone may actually not be a drooling psychotic fan of Ep3 offends the hell out of you? I don't even know why exactly I'm trying to defend my viewpoints to you, when you seem to ignore all points that do not fit your own narrow view of things.

You can stress all you like how many JP snapshots are lobby gatherings, but that doesn't mean diddly squat in the US version, now does it? May I suggest a career in conservative talk radio?


As for C-Mode, c-mode takes a lot of teamwork mind you.


Yes, C-mode takes teamwork. Shock and horror. It also takes, gasp, strategy! You have to think about things like when your next levelup will come, can you get there or should you use that mate? You're out of dolls, will the boss die before you do? Or should you DC so your team can possibly win through? Who needs mates the most? Who should attack what and how? How can you help your teammate? And you don't get breaks while your opponent idly fiddles with their cards to think about what to do. The monsters don't give a shit, they're just there to kill you. You're thinking. On your feet, not slowly, not anally considering things, right then and there about what to do to ensure your team's survival and the best time you can obtain. C-mode is exciting. C-mode is fun. C-mode is, duh, challenging. Sure, you can have bad luck with monster spawns and weapons findings, but if you have enough skill and can think well enough, you can still win.

Oh, all that strategy in Ep3? Throw it allll out the window if your dice suck. You know what Ep3 -really- is? A game of CHANCE. You don't get your good cards, you don't get your good rolls, you don't win and that uber planned-out godly deck doesn't do shit.

Oh yeah, another thing in Ep3. You can only ever -really- play with one friend at a time. Unless you want to get 5 exp for fighting eachother on a non-/B ship. Most of the time on Ep3, I'll get on, note that everybody I know is already in a tournament with someone else, say fuck it, and go back to Ep1&2. Someone probably needs a FO somewhere. We can group up and go own Tower or Heat Sword or something while we talk.

Also, in Ep3, the assholes REALLY affect you. Someone cheeses out? No exp for you! Exp -loss- actually if you're on a B-ship, with no chance at all of winning. Someone cheeses out on Ep1&2? Sling traps, get out your multihit weapons, spam Rafoie, whatever, and you're probably doing TTF anyway so what's it matter? They can't kill the boss -that- fast.

Someone high-levelled joins a tournament you and a friend are doing to beat up on the COM for easy meseta/cards? Even if they do place themselves on the other end of the bracket, you'll have to fight them eventually. And they probably will thrash you. Gee, thanks. Let's not go into when your -friends- join the same tourney, on the same side, so that you fight them and their com partner in the FIRST match, when you've specifically stated that both you and your partner are going to bed afterwards. I can ignore or avoid assholes in Ep1&2. Ep3, all you can do is try to avoid them. They are not ignorable, and it's not an issue of not letting them ruin your gameplay. They ruin it, regardless.

I'm really sorry that I have horribly offended you by having valid gripes about Ep3. Terribly, horribly, awfully sorry. I'll try not to do it again, master. Please forgive me for having the audacity to express and defend my opinion.


The main point I see it is this type of gameplay is not your cup of tea but yet you don't have to trash everything else of episode III down.

Excuse me a minute. I need to go die laughing.

No, this type of gameplay is not my cup of tea. I dislike competitive games and enviroments. I don't play Battle Mode on Ep1&2 for the same reason. I enjoy teamwork and cooperative gameplay where everyone there is working towards a single goal, or supporting eachother for seperate goals. Clearing a stage of C-mode with an acceptable time, hunting for seperate items in Lost Soul Blade... People working together, not competing and being all me, me, me.

And I'm not trashing everything in Ep3, sweetie. I'll even present to you a list of things I enjoy!

The music is very good for the most part. Some tracks I dislike(Tener Sinus, anyone? Gah), but on the whole the music is largely better than Ep1&2s. If money weren't an issue, I would probably buy the soundtrack to this game.

The story, while I find the implementation of how it's told problematic, seems to be fairly decent overall, and you don't have to hunt for it as hard as you did Ep1&2s storyline(That said, I love Ep1&2s storyline, and the overall lack of links to it disturbs me. Ok, so Endu is bizzarely related to a couple of people, and Rel'mitos has been around longer than you'd think and taught some of the NPCs from Ep1&2. So... Where the heck -did- Montague go off to after Soul of Steel? What happened to Calus and Elly after Seat of the Heart? Well?).

The gameplay itself, while irksomely slow, isn't horrible. It's an interesting change from Ep1&2s more dynamic, open gameplay and something to switch to when I tire of Ep1&2.

It is a good game, but one I find very deeply flawed. Do I hate it? No. Do I love it? No. It's OK. I enjoy it well enough when I'm actually playing it. But at the same time, I'd also really rather be somewhere else.

And that is basically all I have to say and all I care to say about that.

[Mr_Special]

On 2004-03-22 15:49, Ian-KunX wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-03-22 04:22, Nites wrote:
Oh, all that strategy in Ep3? Throw it allll out the window if your dice suck. You know what Ep3 -really- is? A game of CHANCE. You don't get your good cards, you don't get your good rolls, you don't win and that uber planned-out godly deck doesn't do shit.



actually, in PSO3 if you have good strategy you don't rely on good rolls. you balance your deck, and if you get a bad roll, just toss whatever you can't use and chances are you'll get something useful. it happens all the time for me. 'course, i always see people like my brother who insist on holding onto those 5 cost cards when they can't use them right now, either due to dice rolls, or because it would put them above the 8-cost limit.

in one match i kept rolling 1s and 2s, and that wasn't a problem for me, i just tossed all defense cards except for 1 dodge if i had one, and i could still move and attack or play a Split Boost - which is a very powerful card. i still won the match, despite the idiotic COM team mate who kept equipping Soul Eaters and Fans, essentially killing himself.

don't get me wrong, high cost decks are really nice and can be tough to beat, but they're really "All-or-nothing" decks.

[Nai_Calus]

Oh, my decks are all low to mid-cost. My Ino'lis deck mainly consists of 2-cost things, with a few 3 and a couple of 4-costers, and one or two 1-costs just in case. Even if I roll a 1 I can still cast a tech provided I have one in my hand thanks to her reduced ATK cost for techs. Barta costs two, thanks, I only need to roll a 1 now, Gizonde costs 4, I rolled a 3, oh well, I can still use it anyway. But what about when you keep getting your 2 and 3 cost things, and keep rolling 1s? What about when your hand leaves you naked for 5 turns because you discard and discard but STILL get no weapons because of the diciness of shuffling? You can't even deal decent damage then, and you have nothing to hide behind. All you can do is hope for the dice rolls to run away until -luck- brings good stuff to your hand and you can fight. You can balance and plan your deck all you like, but in the end, it STILL comes down to luck.

[Para]

True the game has a large luck factor but it is uncertainty that what makes the game interesting. As for strategy, remember that you need to know how to use your cards in any type of situation. That is the whole point. Take advantage of your cards even if they don't work well together. Use your brain of yours and think about what cards you need and what you don't need. There's a lot more planning in the game than you think. Even if you get low dice rolls, I guess the thing is that if you are really good, you know how to bare such things and try to get yourself out. It is like in many other strategy games where you try to anticipate everything.


Anyways back on topic, for graphics, technically here's this. It wouldn't really make sense if SEGA went backwards with their graphics. Technically they should've improved and yes, a portion of them has improved. As you note example shot has a bit more detail on it than before. However many other details of how the shadows look, glaring flaws could be intended or just mistakes (There are quite a few mistakes in the game). Nevertheless, it is opinionated if they are bad or good. What I've been trying to say all this time that technically they have improved. I mean going back to the shot example, it has more detail on it but you dislike the extra detail so you think graphically it got worse? That doesn't sound right to me.

My complaint is that the colours are lifeless and washed out in them, they are small, and generally ineffective to me.
With the manga idea, not everything has to revolve around what you think. Maybe some people like them, but some others don't. The people who did the cutscenes definitely put a good deal of work into it.

Apparently unlike you, my primary goal in spending time online is to have fun playing with and talking with my friends. Ep3 is a very competitive enviroment. Yes, having multiple minds can help, but people are generally focused on their own deck.

I too enjoy playing with my friends but where's the fun when there's no friendly rivalry? Of course, sometimes you have the feeling you are the stronger guy/girl than your friend or so in an interest that you both share.

Most Japanese do not use dupes or hacks, therefore there is no problem with dupes or hacks.
If that were true, then it is a good example some people should follow. Don't let racial differences get inbetween.

That's factual, actually, in my experience. And pardon me for asking, but what the HELL do the Japanese have to do with the AMERICAN version of the game, outside of coming to our ships to beat up on the unexperienced players? Good, the Japanese like to socialize in the lobbies on Ep3. The Americans in my experience DON'T.
It ain't my fault that americans don't like to socialize with other people in episode III. >_> However there is probably a group of people that do like to socialize and maybe you are meeting up with the wrong people? Or arrange times with your friends and play together then.

By the way please tone down your language, it is rather getting offensive.

Anyways, it is unfortunate that there are these types of players that plague episode III. If you have such big problems, talk to SEGA or complain to someone that might be able to help you. I certainly can't lol. Though I doubt SEGA would do much either.

So... Where the heck -did- Montague go off to after Soul of Steel? What happened to Calus and Elly after Seat of the Heart? Well?
Remember episode III is still early in its life. Maybe SEGA has something planned in the future for them but hasn't finished it yet? Remember Seat of the Heart was released months later after Episode I&II came out.

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[Mr_Special]

On 2004-03-22 16:40, Ian-KunX wrote:
But what about when you keep getting your 2 and 3 cost things, and keep rolling 1s? What about when your hand leaves you naked for 5 turns because you discard and discard but STILL get no weapons because of the diciness of shuffling?

well, if you discard for 5 turn and don't have anything to equip or attack with, then that is an unbalanced deck.

keep in mind a deck is 30 cards, if you have nothing useful in a hand, you discard it all, and you have very nice odds of getting the useful cards... 5 discards of 5 cards is 25 cards... if you get nothing useful that says most of your deck is useless http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

getting snake eyes round after round is extremely rare, in fact, i've never had snake eyes twice in a row... worst case scenario, i got 1-1, then 2-1. i just discard, dodge and then Split Attack.

if dice rolls are a problem, toss in some Dice +1 cards or Dice Fever (always roll 5-5)...
maybe get rid of those high cost techs? they're useful... but simple techs do nice damage, and cost is a problem then you should definately cut it down http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

when i build decks (or try to build decks http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) i don't go for power, or some crazy space-blocking or sniping/assassin strategy... i just look at some cards, and see if i can get 30 that will work in harmony - in all ways possible... cost, ideal set, worst set, abilities... to me deck building is all about getting the cards to work in harmony so you always have an option.

[Cheep]

I have 3, but I don't really play it that much, I miss playing cheep too much... I can't be clinicaly insane as well on Eps.3!

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-03-22 20:48, Mr_Special wrote:

On 2004-03-22 16:40, Ian-KunX wrote:
But what about when you keep getting your 2 and 3 cost things, and keep rolling 1s? What about when your hand leaves you naked for 5 turns because you discard and discard but STILL get no weapons because of the diciness of shuffling?

well, if you discard for 5 turn and don't have anything to equip or attack with, then that is an unbalanced deck.

keep in mind a deck is 30 cards, if you have nothing useful in a hand, you discard it all, and you have very nice odds of getting the useful cards... 5 discards of 5 cards is 25 cards... if you get nothing useful that says most of your deck is useless http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

getting snake eyes round after round is extremely rare, in fact, i've never had snake eyes twice in a row... worst case scenario, i got 1-1, then 2-1. i just discard, dodge and then Split Attack.

if dice rolls are a problem, toss in some Dice +1 cards or Dice Fever (always roll 5-5)...
maybe get rid of those high cost techs? they're useful... but simple techs do nice damage, and cost is a problem then you should definately cut it down http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

when i build decks (or try to build decks http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) i don't go for power, or some crazy space-blocking or sniping/assassin strategy... i just look at some cards, and see if i can get 30 that will work in harmony - in all ways possible... cost, ideal set, worst set, abilities... to me deck building is all about getting the cards to work in harmony so you always have an option.



Oh, it's not me, a good half of all my Hunter decks consists of weapons. 3 Wands, 3 Ice Staff: Dagons, 2 Demonic Forks, etc. I'm never naked for more than two turns, dice willing. But it's happened to others with me before.

And I have rolled snake eye 6 times in a row before.

Er, my ONLY high-cost tech is my singular Gizonde card, and I can usually manage the roll to use it.

I have no good assist cards yet, so no Dice Fever or Dice +1 here. XP It does help, though.

And I've won before on a 1-1 roll. Only needed 5 damage to kill KC, I had a Sigh of a God out and a nice Zonde. *zap* Boom.

I'm not THAT stupid, my deck is built around the knowledge that PSO in all incarnations hates me. XD Hence, 10 tech cards and about 14 item cards and the rest defense. >_>; A couple of the items have semi-decent AP as well as TP, just in case I do actually wind up needing to make a physical attack as a last resort. I do actually give this thought. XP

[navci]

I have had a game where I have never rolled more than 3-1. You can only have 3 dodge cards, after you use them all, it is le gone.

I have also have had a a time when I went about 5 turns without a single weapon... and half my deck IS indeed consist of weapons.

There are people with severely bad lucl. I had it on EP I and II, and I am having it on EP III.

...

I just wanna say this. Just because someone who doesn't enjoy Ep III doesn't necessarily make them an idiot who are incapable of handling strategies. I been arguing on both sides and I am just a little weary of seeing I and II bashing or III bashing. Darn talk about getting along.

[TheGoldenVoid]

" However PSO is not just a collectable card game. It is a tactical strategy game. Thats what seperates PSO EpIII from just other TCGs."

Er....most CCGs are extremely tactical and very strategic. Well most of the GOOD ones....Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't, lol.

[Para]

Name another card game that have grids lol
I certainly know pokemon, magic and yu gi oh dont.

[TheGoldenVoid]

Well there is a lot more to tactics (short-term plans) and strategy (long-term plans) than grids.

[Mr_Special]

LOL the chances of getting 5 snake eyes in a row are 1 in 165 381 716.88 .

go to Vegas and retire http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


the rule of thumb i always go by is "if you can't use it, toss it"
the most i've ever had to discard was twice in a row.

as for those people who are afraid to toss, or build unbalanced decks, they're easy wins http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

another thing you might want to try is adding more Def cards... i tend to go with ~8 Def cards, i never thought it was high... but maybe thats cuz i rarely lose monsters and weapons so i can keep up my constant offense... also exploiting those Half Guards/Low cost ignore abilities really helps http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

its great when you force your opponent to waste action cards to pump up the damage to 8+ damage just to destroy a 1 HP item, even better when they have to do 12+ for a weak item/monster... and then later have to deal with a 15+ HP item http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[navci]

I am not trying to argue with you here. But bad luck is bad luck. I have some idea of what I am doing when I build my deck. Why did you think I played Saligun for quite a long time?

Bad luck is bad luck. An entire game of nothing over 3-1 CAN happen. People can kill 40 Mil Lilies for a Demo Comet, can kill 10000 Gillchics and not Electro Frame, people CAN roll a whole game of 1-1 and 2-1. Bad luck can happens, and when that happens on Ep 3, no matter what you do it is going to screw you up in one way or another.

Is merely what I am trying to say. Being one of the people who seem to carry the worst luck ever. Heh.

(Mind you, I have had my good days.)