The reason you lost

[BRTW2]

Ok, I'm tired of people blaming the dice for their losses. You see, its never the fact that they always attack my handgun and rifle instead of my yas3k, its because they rolled a 2-2 maybe once during the game. Thats why they lost, not the fact that I can replace my handgun and rifle for 3, and attack you with my yas for 8 all in the same turn if I roll a 4.

No, thats never it, its never because my yas has 12hp and is dam well hard to replace in the middle of combat cause it costs 5, meaning its only easy to equip on the first or second turn, no, thats not it.

No, its not because they are stupid enough to charge me without a punch guard or any defense, its not their fault they didnt see the yas3k + bullet storm + punch combo coming, destroying all heir weapons, its because of the 1 or 2 bad rolls they got in the 15 turns it took me to kill them, not because their deck can't guard against my style of play.

And no, its not because I got dice bonus +2 and you insisted on playing dice+1, giving me +3 on a 6-6 roll, its because you havent yet learned to play against all types of decks, and don't know how to attack the one card that will destroy you.


Goodbye is all you need to say when its over, maybe gg if you are someone who doesn't get angry at a loss, its still 2 cards, 2 cards that will probably give you a good one.

[Shimarisu]

Actually...

Last game I was in I threw 1-3 all battle, with a deck that needed a 4 only once and it would have saved me. 1 for def 90% of the time too. So yeah, I said "ffs" a few times. In fact we were both joking about it. The other player kept throwing 6, he threw it 3 times in a row. So it's not always a player's FAULT if they loose.

Saying that though, yeah, people whining ALL THE TIME about their dice is annoying.

- Shimarisu

[Zebulan7]

Whiners are definitly annoying. I may occasionally throw in the "drat, bad roll" but that is when the game really depended on that roll.

When many complain I just say "adapt to it." Honestly, the one plan a player has to victory is not the only one, just modify it. I also say "just think, next turn the probablitly of rolling high is greater." Then they roll a 1-1. (te hee)

Playing off of someone else's dice rolls is just part of the stratagy.

[HairyGoat]

Well it sucks when you are playing arkz and your opponent throws out an Indi Belra...meanwhile you roll 1 for defense the next two turns and lose.


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[Link00seven]

I dont see the point of complaining about dice rolls. I mean, it just happens sometimes. It's the name of the game. I've acually had people say "I like you, you acually didnt complain about losing!" and I end up making new friends. heh.

[kyori]

eh. I don't mind losing, but losing to dice is very annoying. (There will always be two luck factors, the draw and the dice) And it's mainly only if its early game, like getting 3 and below in the first 2-3 turns. Not to mention getting no def roll at all. It probably really got to me that I got rocked by CPU thanks to dice as high as 2. (CPU was Memoru, so I got gizonded very early on)

[Arislan]

And meanwhile today I ran into two people not even fighting me because I'm apparently a bastard Japanese person. One person dropped out of a full tourney after signups (everyone else stayed in) and stated that he didn't want to play a JP user. When confronted with the fact that I'm an importer (well, maybe, I did buy it in Japan, can't call that importing), he told me to go buy the US version if I want to play against people. The other player literally did nothing and when I pulled out one of my Sealed J 2 turns in, cursed me out till the end of the match. Ridiculous.

In any case, and the reason this relates to the topic, is that people seem to be complaining about a lot of things, and the crap dice rolls they're getting just seems to be the smallest way that they can let off steam. I hate it, it annoys me, but I live with it. There's really nothing I can do about it. Generally, if they start complaining about the dice, I'll do my best to finish them off as quick as I can instead of going for enemies, just to keep them from complaining more. Rather have a short whupping than a long drawn out whine-fest.

Agreed though, the dice roll complaining is stupid. Ive had it happen, and you know what, I don't care. So I lose a game, even a final cause of pure bad dice rolls (today I had a game where I rolled nothing but 1s and 2s for DEF over 10-15 turns). I commented on it all of twice during the match, and other than that, took my lumps as they came. Afterwards, that player and I ended up giving me his Card, and saying that if I ever wanted to team, he'd be happy to play. Goes to show that there are at least a few people that aren't complete asses out there.

[shinto_kuji]

I too can't stand people complaining about bad rolls. It happens and you'll eventually lose some matches because of it, but it's not that big of a deal.

I was watching a match between a friend of mine and some other guy a while back, and my friend threw the hissy fit of the century when he got owned by the other guy. Where did the blame land? To the couple of bad rolls he threw down. I mean, I saw him get a 6 and a 5 (before I left out of shame) in the first couple of turns and still heard for nearly an hour about how how he got horrible rolls the whole match. -sigh-

Sure, I get annoyed sometimes with bad rolls, but I choose not to embarrass myself, and instead kick back and get a good laugh from it.

2 1 for 5 turns in a row anyone?

[kyori]

Well like I said. I'm only complaining early game. (1-3 turns) It could almost be like that whole not rushing thing in the beginning just so you can prep. Except you can't prep for the first bit :/

[kyori]

:kicks edit option: and on the grounds that its been loss after loss in a constant. (Which I in all good luck managed for 3 days :/ )

[RiskBreaker]

On 2004-03-30 23:53, shinto_kuji wrote:
I too can't stand people complaining about bad rolls. It happens and you'll eventually lose some matches because of it, but it's not that big of a deal.


Its hard isn't it? On the one hand everyone should, statistically get their fair share of good and bad dice rolls. On the other hand, it can only one bad dice roll at a key moment to turn the entire match around.

Of course, I guess the point there is to make sure your whole battle doesn't hinge on the right dice roll. But a set of bad runs will ruin the game for any player.

I won't fault anyone for beating me with a good set of rolls and will always end by saying good game. Won't stop me cursing my own bad luck through gritted teeth though http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

At the end of the day, there are enough random factors in the game to make it worth arguing against any of them. If its not bad rolls, its bad hands, if its not bad hands, its bad decks.

Thats why the NPC's bang on about making the right decks, its so true. You just have to try to account for as many situations as possible (hard with just 30 cards of course), play the best you can with what you've got to accept that every now and then, as Shinto said, bad dice rolls or bad dealt hands are going to bite you in the backside and screw up your game http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

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[HairyGoat]

Sorry about that. My other post made it sound like I whine about the rolls. I'll say "doh bad roll" a couple of times during a match but I don't complain about it. I even say "nice roll" when someone gets a good one

[BRTW2]

Yeah, I love how I make this thread, and then, magically, I haven't been getting ANY!!!!! good rolls or and luck AT ALL!!!!


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!


Oh well, I'll play solo against reiz and lvl for the rest of the night in my dark corner...

[Arislan]

Heh, I've been having similar luck, only with DEF. My attack rolls have been fine for the past two days, but I've been almost constantly been getting 1s for DEF.

[EJ]

i really prefer a balance roll and everytime I pull my il gill or chaos sorccerror(sp?) in my first turn they left the game and I'm facing a com the next turn which I think crap to be scared of a ill gill or sorcerror on the first turn.

[Sharkyland]

On 2004-04-01 19:09, Arislan wrote:
Heh, I've been having similar luck, only with DEF. My attack rolls have been fine for the past two days, but I've been almost constantly been getting 1s for DEF.

Everytime I have a defense card (anything other than dodge), that's 65% of the case, I get a 1 for the dice roll.

[Castoth]

Usually when I begin having multiple games in a row where bad dice rolls are a major contributing factor, I tend to throw in my Dice Fever card into a deck. Of course, it guarantees that the opponent will get good dice rolls as well but desperation is desperation.

[Getintothegame]

Heh, yeah. I don't use powerful decks against the US players, yet. With my level 57, I have lost matches against the US players before. I have the oppisite problem: when they win, they say things like "YOU LOST HAHA!!1" etc.

That's why I'm offline right now, waiting for them to get some better cards, and to try to get a Recobox, Epilson, Ancient Saber, or Guilty Light =P.

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[Castoth]

Enough time has passed already that almost any card is fair to use against US players IMO. Unless they are obvious new players (low level online, few total wins, etc), I say go all out.

[Getintothegame]

That seems true.

I've seen and heard US players getting some cards I still don't have at level 57/24. T_T



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[Shimarisu]

I go all out on them because certain cocky sorts place themselves up against me on purpose, and if I underestimate them and they win, they spam all over the lobby that they beat me.

- Shimarisu

[Genki_]

I have had a couple of times where bad rolls have cost me a game (or at least a chance to win the game).

One time in a game with m partner our opponent was low on HP and nearly defensless. All we needed to do was move my Sinow Red above them (2 spaces), move my Hunter Partner beside them (2 spaces) and attack to win.

I rolled a 1 1 and she rolled a 2 1.

We were crippled. I didn't move and tried to attack but it was blocked. Then our opponents got rolls of 6 6 and 6 5, re-equiped themselves, and knocked off all our weapons and creatures and went on to win the game.

It kinda sucked, but hey, that's just the way it goes sometimes. You grumble about the bad dice roll for a turn or two, and move on with your life and say "GG". You know it was closer than it looked by the final HP total and the opponent does too.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone here seen us online? I am Genki and my team mate is Scout. We are both FOnewearls.

[Sharkyland]

I'm mostly with Roy Mustang, while I'm Marina. We got a 1,2 and me 1,1 on our dice roll, (while our opponent had 6 4 and 6 5) and guess what I had guard, wall, aegis guard, sword guard and some other defense card greater than 2. My friend here was an arkz so they picked on him. handgun, handgun, wals, then sange yasha with slash... of course, in one turn he fell... x_x

Though I did another team, my friend had to leave. Remiltos was my partner. He defended my character (not my weapons) from nearly EVERY single attack.

They does the computer quote 'The more you fight, the more you defend better' then typed in arguement 'I got a 1 for three turns for defense (3 '1' times for attack too), I'd defend you too if I got something higher' Though my computer partner, just Rafoie'd' the com Sil'fer nearly every turn causing her to die rather quickly and me ending up with a D almost each battle.

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[Alisha]

lately ive been thinking that the game twinks the dice rolls based on various factors such as clvl,who's currently winning the game and also 1 time when i did a 2 vs 2 on defeat team when my partner died i never got a bad dice roll for the rest of the match

[Skorpius]

its difficult to "adapt" to constant 1 rolls on Def, and a lot more difficult to adapt to rolls of 3:1 constantly. im a firm believer that this game tweaks rolls and deck shuffle based on a difference in CLv of the two opponents on a 1 vs 1. my "proof" is in my loss record for one on one, which is about 80%, losing to CLv 15s when im around CLv 30 :l

EDIT: yes, i saw that match alisha XD i was the one dead on the ground...


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[BRTW2]

I hardly think that the game tweaks dice rolls. I just lost to bender, rolling a 4-1 and 1-1 on my final 2 rolls, which became my downfall. Now, I'm only a little lvl 9 and he is lvl 18, and had just taken away quite a bit of health the previous turn. Not only was my final roll a 1-1, but just before it became a 1-1, it was a 5-3, so I was like ok, at least i can get some defense out, but no, they game gave me a 1-1 as a last ditch roll-change.

So no, I can vouch against the fact the game in any way helps the under dog, it is all about luck. The dice booster rules option does not work, it is useless since it aparently only helps you if you roll exactly the same roll the turn previous.

[Sharkyland]

On 2004-04-02 13:51, Skorpius wrote:
its difficult to "adapt" to constant 1 rolls on Def, and a lot more difficult to adapt to rolls of 3:1 constantly. im a firm believer that this game tweaks rolls and deck shuffle based on a difference in CLv of the two opponents on a 1 vs 1. my "proof" is in my loss record for one on one, which is about 80%, losing to CLv 15s when im around CLv 30 :l

EDIT: yes, i saw that match alisha XD i was the one dead on the ground...


I highly doubt that... my friend (lv 4: rookie/6 off) and me (lv 6/18 off) vs someone (lv 15: lord/pretty high) and someone else (lv. 25: champ/ pretty high) and they got nearly higher than 4 on their roll. While we got 1s, 2s, and 3s.

Like BRTW2 said, it's all based on luck.

[Bluedragon07]

usually when i lose its because of incompetency on my partner's part, i hardly ever lose 1v1s, ill be kicking butt and then she dies, it sux

[Malkavian]

On 2004-04-03 00:47, Bluedragon07 wrote:
usually when i lose its because of incompetency on my partner's part, i hardly ever lose 1v1s, ill be kicking butt and then she dies, it sux


In 2vs2 the 2 players must act unitely. If your mates dies you are as responsible as him. Of course 1 player can make mistakes and the other not. And if is the 1st time you play with someone it can be hard to compenetrate. But you shouldn't blame your teammate. Maybe she died because you didnt defend and protect her.

[Skorpius]

BRTW & Sharkyland:
those were team games, it is different there and I am looking to see what it could be. until you play solo games against people 10 CLvs above you, and get low rolls in over half the games, then the CLv Dice/Shuffle theory wont be disproven

[BRTW2]

BRTW & Sharkyland:
those were team games, it is different there and I am looking to see what it could be. until you play solo games against people 10 CLvs above you, and get low rolls in over half the games, then the CLv Dice/Shuffle theory wont be disproven

The dice booster should kick in when you are rolling low rolls, not when you are horrribly outnumbered and lvled. And why not 9 lvls, as was such my case? Why 10 lvls? I cannot blame my loss on my low rolls, I very easily could have done more, but when you are against the ropes and roll 1 for defense twice, the dice booster rule should kick in, which it does not. Perhaps there is a certain mode such as 2v2 when it is activated.

What I am saying is that the game does not pick sides, it just does what it is told, and that is to randomly choose a number from 1-# twice. Perhaps a way to test this would be toi set dice roll maxes 3 and min to 1 and see what you roll. I will try this later and see what the outcome is.

So blaming just the dice for a loss is complete nonsense, cause in reality, I'm sure the person just got more powerful cards with special effects than you had, which caused you to lose. Unless of course, you somehow managed to roll only 2-2s and 2-1s for 15 minutes and they only got 6-5s and 5-5s, in which case, go play offline for a few days till you luck gets better.

[Skorpius]

a computer program can NEVER be random. A result generated at "random" is in fact a result generated from an equation, and there has to be a base for that equation. For example, im EP2, a rare find was "random". The base for that generated result (the rare find) must have a base, and many people thought it was the .beats. What I'm saying (and Alisha, by the way) is that in 1vs1 matches, the CLv difference may very well be that base value for the "random" equation on dice rolls and even possibly deck shuffle. Team games may work differently, based off of total HP (losers getting rolls) or total cards in deck, i don't know. I havn't looked into that as much as I have 1vs1.

You actually have no basis to try and tell me I'm wrong, as you aren't as high of a CLv as I am. I am CLv 35 online, and all my friends are CLv 25 and lower, and more often than not, I'm getting narfed on dice rolls and draw when I play solo against them.



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[Codester]

I never really get mad at dice rolls or bad draws. Being a long time card gamer, I know that sonner or later, you're bound to lose from a bad turn inluck no madder what your deck is like. The thing that really ticks me off though, is when other people seem to take your bad luck/their good luck as them being highly skilled, or as you being horrible.

I was in a tourney last night against a guy a level lower than me. I'm positive that in the 20 or so turns we played, he got lower than 4 atk once, while I only got 4 or higher twice, and mostly 1 for defence and 2 for attack. I ended up losing from time running out (he had 5 HP left, I had 2), but he spent the whole match calling me an n00b and moron for "having no defence cards" and "not equiping stuff," when in reality, I couldn't defend and never got high enough to equip and/or attack in the same turn.

[BRTW2]

You actually have no basis to try and tell me I'm wrong, as you aren't as high of a CLv as I am. I am CLv 35 online, and all my friends are CLv 25 and lower, and more often than not, I'm getting narfed on dice rolls and draw when I play solo against them.

So, what you are saying, is that, as a lower lvl, I can't speak for the fact that I am able to lose to higher lvl people who are getting better rolls than myself? That logic makes no sense. If I such a low lvl, I am going to more often than not fighting higher lvl people. Many of those higher lvl people beat me with their cards with the help of better than decent rolls. Believe me, I have seen my opponenents have their share of bad luck, but I have never won based solely on dice to a higher lvl character, I will probably beat them with a powerful combo that only happens once in 4 tries, which in your case, would probably never happen, according to what you are saying.

[Skorpius]

"I will probably beat them with a powerful combo that only happens once in 4 tries, which in your case, would probably never happen, according to what you are saying."
kinda, yes. my point is that with a bigger CLv difference in 1v1 matches, the higher CLv shouldnt rely on high rolls, and should work with 3:2 rolls more often.