to prove a point.

[ilr2000]

Yeah I'm gonna be annoying. I drew these just to prove a point. It's not the HUnewearl that's "whore-ish", it the artist's portrayal of them.


FOmarl:
http://www.freewebs.com/ilvryk/notasaint.JPG

HUnewearl:
http://www.freewebs.com/ilvryk/saint.JPG

"OMGZ. The FOmarl looks like a whore! Well... it IS a FOmarl after all.. kinda hard not to make em look like that..."

everyone can piss off.

[Skuda]

Rise up HUnewearl! take your rightfull place on the throne of... Tyranny? Hunewearls are so cool! WEEE!

but that FOmarl looks weird...kinda scary.. since when do they have kneehighsocks/pantyhose that high?

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-04-03 11:04, Scott_Kuda wrote:
Rise up HUnewearl! take your rightfull place on the throne of... Tyranny? Hunewearls are so cool! WEEE!

but that FOmarl looks weird...kinda scary.. since when do they have kneehighsocks/pantyhose that high?



My thought was 'Since when do they have legs?'

And irl is right.

[Sharkyland]

Hard to tell they have that long dress on... Interesting pictures... the HUnewearl reminds me of Washuu though...

[Sord]

well, all slutiness or not aside, these are pretty good. Could use some work on the face, and some color (for a minute there i was thinking that FOmarl didn't have anything covering, her, erm, "lower area" aand was like "WTF? That's not PSOW apropriate!")

oh, and i'll just quote something from what i said in the thread that pushed you to this



On 2004-04-03 11:06, Sord wrote:
probably has something to do with the default setting for creating a HUnewearl, plus ot many people try to not make them look "sexy." Reason i quote that is because it's more of an opinionated word.

[ilr2000]

On 2004-04-03 11:07, Ian-KunX wrote:
And irl is right.


O_o you agree? o_O O_o o_O O_o..

Cool, none-the-less. I'm not alone...

Sord: Most would agree that HUnewearls are the more attractive character class of the 12. I think thats great, but I have a problem when people take that negatively.

And about the pics: Yeah.. lol.. I made em like like negative 8 seconds. Wasn't really going for quality. Heh... I doubt I'll finish them.

[YoruTakami]

On 2004-04-03 11:07, Ian-KunX wrote:
And irl is right.

I concur.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-04-03 11:30, ilr2000 wrote:

O_o you agree? o_O O_o o_O O_o..



Well. I was playing around with the 'auto' thing in character creation recently, and up pops the cutest bleeding HUnewearl ever. Her hair was horrible, and she had a bad costume, but that was easily fixed, and I now have a L10 HUnewearl that I need to raise.

I guess I had to see it to believe it, that not all HUnewearls look like skanks.

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 11:30, ilr2000 wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-04-03 11:07, Ian-KunX wrote:
Sord: Most would agree that HUnewearls are the more attractive character class of the 12. I think thats great, but I have a problem when people take that negatively.

And about the pics: Yeah.. lol.. I made em like like negative 8 seconds. Wasn't really going for quality. Heh... I doubt I'll finish them.


on the first part, i guess someone just started making perverted coments on them at some point and it just kinda caught on till they were permanently labeled with it. Like evertime someone changes their avatar everyone freaks that they have some sord sickness or what not.

And i think you should finish these, even if they are a half-ass job, they are still pretty good, and we don't get that much work from you any ways.

[Uncle_bob]

You can't make a slutty Fomarl in game though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[navci]

It is Hard to MAKE a decent looking HUnewearl, but it is not as hard to actually draw one that doesn't look like she is getting paid some some activities. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Jade has draw innocent looking HUnews, I have done it myself. The outfits don't really help in accomplishing that but it IS possible. Just that most people do tend to like HUnews looking impossible.

... Now. Draw me a very innocent looking Sil'fer. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[ilr2000]

On 2004-04-03 11:56, Uncle_bob wrote:
You can't make a slutty Fomarl in game though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



You can't make a slutty HUnewearl. You can make an attractive HUnewearl. You can make an affectionate HUnewearl. You can make a flirty HUnewearl. You can make one of a million things. But you can't make a slutty HUnewearl, because the word "slut" is like the word "stupid". Like, "You are stupid". Are you really stupid? Probably not.

[ilr2000]

On 2004-04-03 12:08, navi wrote:
It is Hard to MAKE a decent looking HUnewearl, but it is not as hard to actually draw one that doesn't look like she is getting paid some some activities. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Jade has draw innocent looking HUnews, I have done it myself. The outfits don't really help in accomplishing that but it IS possible. Just that most people do tend to like HUnews looking impossible.

... Now. Draw me a very innocent looking Sil'fer. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



You, sir, offend me very much. As much as I would like to dehumanize you with petty insults so that your comments would more easily roll off my back, I will do no such thing. That would be stooping to your level.

Stop. Insulting. Beautiful. Women. They are beautiful, why in god's name do you want to insult them so much?

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 12:09, ilr2000 wrote:


On 2004-04-03 11:56, Uncle_bob wrote:
You can't make a slutty Fomarl in game though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



You can't make a slutty HUnewearl. You can make an attractive HUnewearl. You can make an affectionate HUnewearl. You can make a flirty HUnewearl. You can make one of a million things. But you can't make a slutty HUnewearl, because the word "slut" is like the word "stupid". Like, "You are stupid". Are you really stupid? Probably not.


I get what your saying. Like some people don't believe sluts are smart, and that's not always the case. A slut is basically someone (usually a girl when thw word "slut" is used) who hangs out in a more "friendlier" way with more than one person. That doesn't meant they can't be smart, and some people aren't recognizing it. Also, PSO characters that are not NPCs don't generally have a personality, it just depends on the person that is playing them, though if they did roleplay, they can apply a personality i suppose, but slutty is a personality trate, just that some people fail to recognize that it's most likely one of many traits.

[KingChaos]

sweet pic

[Sagasu]

Rant matierial.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Anyways, I agree with you Irl, most people, women and men alike, tend to sterio type HUnewearls to wearing slutty costumes with well endowed features etc..

And some say that you wont find people like that out there, hell yes you will! Well curved people exist outside the porno world nowadays! Its just with todays baggy clothes you can't tell a damn thing about the other persons body..

*sighs*

Nice piccies, I don't want to rant and rave about bodies being bodies, so just lay off will you?

If you think Hunny's r bad, what do ya think of teh nudists? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

[navci]

On 2004-04-03 12:13, ilr2000 wrote:
You, sir, offend me very much. As much as I would like to dehumanize you with petty insults so that your comments would more easily roll off my back, I will do no such thing. That would be stooping to your level.

Stop. Insulting. Beautiful. Women. They are beautiful, why in god's name do you want to insult them so much?


Hm? I am not aware that I insulted anything. All I am saying is, people on PSO like to make a HUnew with ridiculous proportions, and with as little clothing as possible. .... Excuse me but, beautiful doesn't equal to wear very little? I mean let me raise an example.

Kasumi from Dead or Alive? She has ridiculous proportions, she is wearing very little, compare her to ... say, Ulala from Space Channel Five, who has pink hair and wearing a skirt.

Ulala is beautiful and has personality, Kasumi looks like she is going to have some back problems... among other things.

I am not understanding where your hostilty coming from. Maybe I missed your point. In my previous post I did agree with you that it is indeed up to the artists' protrayal of the characters. I said, there were artists that have drawn innocent looking Hunewearls and some artists did the opposite. So in essence I agree with you. I just added a comment that I kinda like characters looking something that resembles people. Instead of deformed melons.

Women are women, they are not just breasts. When people make a Hunewearl like the ones I mentioned above, then it does seem like that is the only thing they want to emphasize.

edit:



Nice piccies, I don't want to rant and rave about bodies being bodies, so just lay off will you?

If you think Hunny's r bad, what do ya think of teh nudists?


Bodies are beautiful. I always thought the women's body is a lot more beautiful than men's. Thing is, they are beautiful as a whole because they have these curves that run up and down smoothly and with flowy lines that create lights and shadows which make them unique and beautiful to look at.

I guess in the end I am just saying, stick two huge boobs on a random body doesn't make them beautiful or attractive. By doing that it is really just making a body ... boobs. And completely ignoring the rest of the harmony and curves. It's awkward, and it just isn't the same beauty we are talking about.

*sigh* I have trouble wording this. Please realize I am not trying to flame or insult anyone.

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[Gam]

On 2004-04-03 12:30, navi wrote:


On 2004-04-03 12:13, ilr2000 wrote:
You, sir, offend me very much. As much as I would like to dehumanize you with petty insults so that your comments would more easily roll off my back, I will do no such thing. That would be stooping to your level.

Stop. Insulting. Beautiful. Women. They are beautiful, why in god's name do you want to insult them so much?


Hm? I am not aware that I insulted anything. All I am saying is, people on PSO like to make a HUnew with ridiculous proportions, and with as little clothing as possible. .... Excuse me but, beautiful doesn't equal to wear very little? I mean let me raise an example.

Kasumi from Dead or Alive? She has ridiculous proportions, she is wearing very little, compare her to ... say, Ulala from Space Channel Five, who has pink hair and wearing a skirt.

Ulala is beautiful and has personality, Kasumi looks like she is going to have some back problems... among other things.

I am not understanding where your hostilty coming from. Maybe I missed your point. In my previous post I did agree with you that it is indeed up to the artists' protrayal of the characters. I said, there were artists that have drawn innocent looking Hunewearls and some artists did the opposite. So in essence I agree with you. I just added a comment that I kinda like characters looking something that resembles people. Instead of deformed melons.

Women are women, they are not just breasts. When people make a Hunewearl like the ones I mentioned above, then it does seem like that is the only thing they want to emphasize.

edit:



Nice piccies, I don't want to rant and rave about bodies being bodies, so just lay off will you?

If you think Hunny's r bad, what do ya think of teh nudists?


Bodies are beautiful. I always thought the women's body is a lot more beautiful than men's. Thing is, they are beautiful as a whole because they have these curves that run up and down smoothly and with flowy lines that create lights and shadows which make them unique and beautiful to look at.

I guess in the end I am just saying, stick two huge boobs on a random body doesn't make them beautiful or attractive. By doing that it is really just making a body ... boobs. And completely ignoring the rest of the harmony and curves. It's awkward, and it just isn't the same beauty we are talking about.

*sigh* I have trouble wording this. Please realize I am not trying to flame or insult anyone.

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WoW! o_O

kinda long story but must say i agree with that.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2004-04-03 12:09, ilr2000 wrote:
You can't make a slutty HUnewearl.


Oh? Ok, go make a Hunewearl. Now, slide the proportion arrow all the way to the left, select the first red costume or the second black one. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[LadyRedComet]

On 2004-04-03 14:17, Uncle_bob wrote:
Oh? Ok, go make a Hunewearl. Now, slide the proportion arrow all the way to the left, select the first red costume or the second black one. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


What they've been trying to say is that the clothing a person/character wears and their proportions don't determine how "slutty" they are. It's how a person/character acts that determines that.

[Uncle_bob]

...So, let's say x hunewearl with D cups wears the 2nd black costume, she's not a skank just because? Look, if you saw someone dressing like that IRL and you had any common sense, you'd know she's a skank and probably has a few STD's. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 16:47, Uncle_bob wrote:
...So, let's say x hunewearl with D cups wears the 2nd black costume, she's not a skank just because? Look, if you saw someone dressing like that IRL and you had any common sense, you'd know she's a skank and probably has a few STD's. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif


while those chances maybe high, it still destroys the few who do dress like that, but arn't skanks, and they get mistreated. That's more or less what is being ranted about here at the moment i think.

[Uncle_bob]

Well, if a woman dresses like that, she's pretty much saying, "Hay, I got the goods here, baby!".

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 17:59, Uncle_bob wrote:
Well, if a woman dresses like that, she's pretty much saying, "Hay, I got the goods here, baby!".


but that doesn't mean she's going to give the goods to the guy for money or just because he wants it or whatever.

[Uncle_bob]

Then why else would she do that? Dressing like that IS slutty, can't get around that.

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 18:08, Uncle_bob wrote:
Then why else would she do that? Dressing like that IS slutty, can't get around that.


because she lived in a place were it wasn't seen as unusual, it really does have to do with how you were raised and where you live. Ever seen a broker look like a slut, it was one of those make over shows, and they redid the girls entire wardrobe. She looked like a slut, but she wasn't, was a succesful broker, and married. Also, could be just because they like the way they look in it, regardless of what others think.

[Uncle_bob]

Well then, can't Uncle just walk around with his schlong sticking out of his pants and just tell people that's how he was raised and that he's not being perverted?

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 18:30, Uncle_bob wrote:
Well then, can't Uncle just walk around with his schlong sticking out of his pants and just tell people that's how he was raised and that he's not being perverted?


yes, but that doesn't mean people will believe you, that's the problem that's being said here you shouldn't be judged by what you wear.

[KodiaX987]

Uncle_bob wins.

End of discussion.

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 18:34, KodiaX987 wrote:

Uncle_bob wins.

End of discussion.


suit yourself *shrug* though it does kinda prove one thing, while there are mods, they aren't exactly paying atention. Normally they would have stepped in or something, or at least move this to rants.

[Uncle_bob]

Well, point is, a woman knows if she's dressing slutty or not. ;B *bows, exits back to FKL*

[Ness]

I'm going to have to side with Uncle on this one. I too think Hunnies are pretty slutty-looking. Our of all the costumes you can make her wear, one about 3 make her look like a decent looking woman. Sure, the characters that playy those Hunnies probably aren't slutty looking, but the Hunnies that play are.

As for the FOmarl, if I saw a woman dressed like that, I'd think she was pretty slutty too.


Also, if a woman dresses in revealing clothes, nine times out of 10, she's trying to show something off.

[Sagasu]

Their blobs of electrons zooming around in your screen, pixels, programs,PSO is made up and you guys are taking this way to far..

One way to look at it, everymost good game has to have some well endowed girls, bottom line. Merely ways to sell a product, and add eyecandy variety to it as well. You have to keep in mind todays mind set in america, and then think of what it is in Japan. Though we have corrupted their honor they might still have some decency left http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

...

Yeah if you go outside in your lingirie or whatever how do you honestly think people are going to react? Hot damn shes pickin up customers!

Stop wasting your time about the small things and look at what is really screwing up your life, get a grip http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[KodiaX987]

If we "got a grip", we wouldn't be playing video games at all since they are a dangerous fantasy that lowers school grades and makes everyone dive into delusions of boobiness grandeur.

[Sord]

On 2004-04-03 20:22, KodiaX987 wrote:
If we "got a grip", we wouldn't be playing video games at all since they are a dangerous fantasy that lowers school grades and makes everyone dive into delusions of boobiness grandeur.


that depends upon the video game your playing, and who's playing it. My grades have never suffered due to video games, just since I started asking the teachers questions they can't answer about the educational system, so they send me to the principal, and she tells me, i point out errors, and then she can't do jack cause of the state, so I don't do homework that much, but still pass tests. And as for boobiness grandeur, please Kodia, any social life and movies brought that along way before video games unless their parents are letting their seven year olds play M rated games, which most do not, heck, the kid could probably barely grasp the concept of the game any ways.

[Sagasu]

On 2004-04-03 21:07, Sord wrote:


On 2004-04-03 20:22, KodiaX987 wrote:
If we "got a grip", we wouldn't be playing video games at all since they are a dangerous fantasy that lowers school grades and makes everyone dive into delusions of boobiness grandeur.


that depends upon the video game your playing, and who's playing it. My grades have never suffered due to video games, just since I started asking the teachers questions they can't answer about the educational system, so they send me to the principal, and she tells me, i point out errors, and then she can't do jack cause of the state, so I don't do homework that much, but still pass tests. And as for boobiness grandeur, please Kodia, any social life and movies brought that along way before video games unless their parents are letting their seven year olds play M rated games, which most do not, heck, the kid could probably barely grasp the concept of the game any ways.



True..

My little 7 year old bro doesn't understand half of what he hears, somethings just bounce right off his mind...

I used to be a game fanatic, now I'm not cause I moved between two parents. SO now I have no console and am homeschooled.

Entertainment Kodiax, many men find women with big breasts entertaining, and if thats what sells hell they're gonna make more of it.

[ilr2000]

wow-wee.

Navi: I dunno.. we're on different wave-lengths in this conversation. I don't know how to respond to what you said so.. I'll just.. um... be neutral.. o_o..

The rest of the thread:

To quote a famous movie: "Peoples, is peoples. And peoples... they're peoples." (you get a cookie if you name the movie)

Anyway, the point of the quote is that we're all human here. Thats right. Every last one of us are human beings. None of us are monsters or deformed goons or demons of some sort. We're all 100% human beings. Everyone has feelings. Everyone has needs, and wants. Everyone has someone that cares about them, and someone they care about. Everyone.

The gist I'm gettin from Uncle_bob and a few others is that a beautiful woman showing some skin invokes powerful reactions. The problem is that you're not handling those reactions very responsibly. There is nothing wrong with a beautiful woman who shows some skin. Yes, it does make guys feel a little uncomfortable, because they have to restrain themselves... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif.. but fixing the problem by calling her a slut is not the right idea.

For example... the FOmarl I drew whose showing ALOT.. I find her to be extremely beautiful. I don't see her as being "slutty" at all. She's an extremely beautiful woman wearing very bizarre clothing. <--- where in there was the sin that condemned her? I would respect her like I would respect any Lady.

To be honest.. the biggest reason why HUnewearls get this sort of treatment is because most people playing PSO in the US are younger than 16. This is gonna sound like a Mr. Rogers episode... but usually the only guys who throw the word "slut" around left and right are 14 year old boys. Usually. I've noticed that in all exceptions, the older men who act like that actually are little boys who refuse to grow up. I reason why young boys call girls these nasty names is because they're going through puberty. Their attraction is the strongest, and it’s so new to them that most of them have no flippin clue on how to handle it.

I remember middle school to be total hell. One of the things that made it hell was seeing a cute girl in the hall and then having a severe pain in my groin for the next six hours. Sometimes I would wish the girls would wear more clothes so I didn't have to deal with the chaotic emotions.. but I quickly learned that these feelings weren't going to go away, so I had to rise to meet them, and not let them get the best of me. The weaker guys would bring down the girls with childish name calling so they wouldn't have to work so hard.

This is really starting to meander into completely new territory, but let the mods decide if and when to move it to ranting forum.

I also feel the need to say something about actual prostitution. I only have absolute sympathy and compassion for women who do this. They're beautiful.. and I'm sure they're great people too... to be fated to such a dead end life is simply heart breaking. It's like seeing a man with great potential get wasted at a bar every night. I think prostitution is extremely unhealthy for both the woman, and the society. Not on a physical level, but a psychological level. It's unhealthy for her because she's making a commodity of herself, and that can't be great for the self esteem. It's unhealthy for the society because it segregates certain individuals from the rest of the group, and deems them deserving of oppression. I don't care what society you live in... that's not a healthy state to be in.

And lastly... if ever there was a woman who is beautiful, and loves to be intimate with people, then more power to her. Sex is a beautiful thing. It only becomes a negative thing when men react negatively towards it. (Women who act negatively towards it kinda just complain alot.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif But guys hurt ppl.)

So.. even if I did slide the proportions bar ALL the way to the left, and selected the first red costume, or the second black costume, I would still see her as a respectable woman. The same as how I see the FOmarl I drew as a respectable woman. When it comes to women I try to follow this simple guideline... no matter what size/shape/form they come in, they have my respect. If they act dishonorable, they have my sympathy and compassion. So far sticking to that has worked pretty well.

[navci]

@ilr2000, I think half way through my reply I went into a rant of my own. Heh. I just wanna clarify that I didn't mean to be insulting or anything. After all, I am a greasy fat old man woman and I have concern about how women are viewed and perceived in general.. and some of these things do anger me and I might not know how to express those anger in good comprehen-able words.

So. Ya.

[ilr2000]

@navi. Oh.. well thats cool. I guess I just got the wrong impression.

[Dhylec]

On 2004-04-03 18:39, Sord wrote:
suit yourself *shrug* though it does kinda prove one thing, while there are mods, they aren't exactly paying atention. Normally they would have stepped in or something, or at least move this to rants.

you see, ilr2000 supposely made this art topic for a discussion.. i've been following
though there are different views on the issue, i think the posts are still pertain to the topic
plus everyone can still be cool & discuss reasonably

i can clean up the spam & we should be back on track
rants or flk is yet to be visible, so don't rush it there.. yet

[Sagasu]

What you say covers more ground than women, it covers everything..

Respect is everything, trade, loyalty, love, everything revolves around your respect of what you do or believe.

Even if you don't care for someone personally, if you respect them you are willing to listen and learn. Damn I'm to tired to lecture..

Anyway, Back to the point Irl is on about. Hell yeah! You can't judge a book by its cover, so stop doing it! Though my respect does not go out to everyone on the street.

Whether they be ugly or heavenly I try to treat those I greet with my basic curtesy, a word lost amongst many of you im sure http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Respect comes from what you know about the person, mentally and physically. Love, for example, is the highest form of respect. You can learn to love your father or mother no matter what sex you are. Same goes for anybody you grow close to, teachers, friends, etc..

_________

Right..

My Point ----->Respect isn't to be given or earned, it is to be expirienced.

My Other Point ------> Curtesy should be shown to those you don't know, and even those you don't care for. Somebody said this before, we all live on the same damned mudball, lets live in peace for a few more years before we can forsake it.

[navci]

Randomly going off tangent...

Hm. Ya know. There was a time when people don't wear anything at all. Right now society has taught us that we need to cover up as much as possible. Anyone who is willing to show any skin is not a respectable person at all. ... It really is matter of how we were taught to view this world, no?

It frustrates me when I realize sometimes my opinion is indeed years after years of education of abstract societal value that has been influcing myself. I find Hunew in most clothings slutty. ... but think about it, what is slutty anyway? A woman who is willing to be intimate with more than one man? And a man who is willing to be intimate with more than one woman is okay? ...

I dunno what I am trying to say here. ... I guess. ya know. ilr made a good point in his last post. Hm bodies are beautiful. Our attitudes towards them are not (whether to be thinking that you're showing them off for sexual appeal [think about this whole sexual appeal thing! It is a taught concept to women about how they can use this attraction to use others!] or how we perceive bodies in general) .... ... .... and I still don't like artificial modification of bodies.

[/random tangent]

[Sagasu]

Clothes do have a practical purpose too of course.

Thats what they where first desinged for undoubtedly. Hell, bodies are bodies and that all they are. Not something to be ashamed off, not to be embarassed cause your breasts are smaller.

So why the hell do we act the way we do? Simple, humans are scared, of what people will think of them, of what they think of themselves. Theres no contentment anymore, just an endless parade of bred paranoids that have no opinion for themselves because society follows simple un-logistic rules.

So yeah, people change and so do their mind sets. But as bad but somehow blissful habits get inherited into the dictating systems our standard thinking is already set at a pre-determined state by living through a political wasteland.

For example...

It started with the earuopeans and their conquest to spread the word of god. Folks in feudal Japan went around in their undies in warm weather, whoring wasn't considered a sin, but merely pleasure for both the man and woman and a way to continue life and some women felt priveleged to bring this pleasure to so many men either distressed or happy.

Ok... I'll stop now...

[/ramble]

[ladyjaderiver]

On 2004-04-03 22:07, navi wrote:

Hm. Ya know. There was a time when people don't wear anything at all. Right now society has taught us that we need to cover up as much as possible. Anyone who is willing to show any skin is not a respectable person at all. ... It really is matter of how we were taught to view this world, no?



How strange that where I live, the goal of most girls in high school is to show as much skin as possible and have sex as many times as they can (hence I am considered weird, being 17 and still a virgin, who refuses to wear shorts or, for the most part, short-sleeves)... *shrug* Maybe it's just the whole living in Wisconsin thing, but... I dunno.

Back on the subject of this thread, I agree with IRL. It all depends on how the character's player acts or what they want their character to be like. It isn't necessarily what class they are that determines their sex appeal/sluttiness. I don't know where people get the idea that HUnes are sluts, because a lot of them are quite tastefully proportioned.

However, being female, I really find it annoying that so many guys obsess over characters with big boobs that are dressed like cheap whores (Thus none of my drawings will EVER include such characters).

[Sagasu]

Yeah, when I still was still in public school most kids my age where ashamed of being virgins o.O;;

*sighs*

I don't really like what this world has come to, so the sooner I get off it the better.

[Nai_Calus]

You know, when I posted, I started a trend that has yet to be noticed or called, and has been repeated in nearly every other post.

It's ilr, not irl. >_>;

And as for the HUne slid all the way to the left... Well, I don't personally find her attractive, she's... Way too well-endowed for my tastes. Heh.

Actually, I made one like that as a joke the other day in my joke char slot - Tallest possible and all the way to the left. The people I was with at the time were all grossed out. X_x;

[ilr2000]

On 2004-04-04 00:36, Ian-KunX wrote:
You know, when I posted, I started a trend that has yet to be noticed or called, and has been repeated in nearly every other post.

It's ilr, not irl. >_>;



THANK YOU!!!!!!111111111

I like alot of the posts people have made since mine. Good to know I'm not the only one in the world. Sometimes I think I'm insane... >_>

Micro side note: Yeah, ST kinda sorta plain old fashioned screwed up with the HUnewearl proportions slid all the way to the left. There's no way any human being would EVER have proportions like that and live to tell about it. Best thing is to just simply ignore that part! >_> Really... no woman would EVER be shaped like that, so we don't really have to worry about it...

[Ness]

On 2004-04-03 21:42, ilr2000 wrote:
wow-wee.


The gist I'm gettin from Uncle_bob and a few others is that a beautiful woman showing some skin invokes powerful reactions. The problem is that you're not handling those reactions very responsibly. There is nothing wrong with a beautiful woman who shows some skin. Yes, it does make guys feel a little uncomfortable, because they have to restrain themselves... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif.. but fixing the problem by calling her a slut is not the right idea.


Actually, I never said that she was a whore; I said she looked whorish. Let me explain the difference between those two statements. Being a whore is basically being a prostitute or a very loose woman. Looking whorish is looking like you are trying to show something off. I know several nice, respectable women that dress whorsih, but I know they are not whores.


For example... the FOmarl I drew whose showing ALOT.. I find her to be extremely beautiful. I don't see her as being "slutty" at all. She's an extremely beautiful woman wearing very bizarre clothing. <--- where in there was the sin that condemned her? I would respect her like I would respect any Lady.

Well the first question I would ask her is why she was dressed like that. Then, I would form an initial opinion of her based on her answer.


To be honest.. the biggest reason why HUnewearls get this sort of treatment is because most people playing PSO in the US are younger than 16. This is gonna sound like a Mr. Rogers episode... but usually the only guys who throw the word "slut" around left and right are 14 year old boys. Usually. I've noticed that in all exceptions, the older men who act like that actually are little boys who refuse to grow up. I reason why young boys call girls these nasty names is because they're going through puberty. Their attraction is the strongest, and it?s so new to them that most of them have no flippin clue on how to handle it.

I doubt that. It's mainly because they just got into pop culture and are hearing all these new words and want to use them as much as possible. Most ppople at that age see everything as black and white and don't read deeply enough into every issue. They see A and they see B and they think ," A must have caused B." not realizing, that in many cases A just looks like is causes B, but there are several lurking variables confounding the results.


I remember middle school to be total hell. One of the things that made it hell was seeing a cute girl in the hall and then having a severe pain in my groin for the next six hours. Sometimes I would wish the girls would wear more clothes so I didn't have to deal with the chaotic emotions.. but I quickly learned that these feelings weren't going to go away, so I had to rise to meet them, and not let them get the best of me. The weaker guys would bring down the girls with childish name calling so they wouldn't have to work so hard.

I don't think that's the case. See above for why.



I also feel the need to say something about actual prostitution. I only have absolute sympathy and compassion for women who do this. They're beautiful.. and I'm sure they're great people too... to be fated to such a dead end life is simply heart breaking. It's like seeing a man with great potential get wasted at a bar every night. I think prostitution is extremely unhealthy for both the woman, and the society. Not on a physical level, but a psychological level. It's unhealthy for her because she's making a commodity of herself, and that can't be great for the self esteem. It's unhealthy for the society because it segregates certain individuals from the rest of the group, and deems them deserving of oppression. I don't care what society you live in... that's not a healthy state to be in.

Actually, there are many women that like being prostitutes. Personally, I think prostitution should be legal nationwide because "a city can not be truly clean without a sewer." I would go on aobut this, but this has thread has enough tangents in it already.


And lastly... if ever there was a woman who is beautiful, and loves to be intimate with people, then more power to her. Sex is a beautiful thing. It only becomes a negative thing when men react negatively towards it. (Women who act negatively towards it kinda just complain alot.. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif But guys hurt ppl.)

We do, huh? I must not be a man so let me go hurt some people.


So.. even if I did slide the proportions bar ALL the way to the left, and selected the first red costume, or the second black costume, I would still see her as a respectable woman.

I would see her as a respectable woman that dresses slutty.



The same as how I see the FOmarl I drew as a respectable woman. When it comes to women I try to follow this simple guideline... no matter what size/shape/form they come in, they have my respect. If they act dishonorable, they have my sympathy and compassion. So far sticking to that has worked pretty well.




To me, it takes more than body shape to lose my respect. Whether or not your FOmarl is a respectable woman, that still doesn't change the fact that she dresses whorish.

[geewj]

I think I saw this on a stand-up comedy act or something.

About girls wearing sluty outfits..

It's like if I were to walk around wearing a police uniform. There is some trouble near by and someone yells for my help, but I say "Oh, no. I'm not a cop."

"If you're not a slut then why are you wearing the god damn uniform!"



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[KodiaX987]

Belated post but anyways. You guys realize I was being totally sarcastic, right? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif