Heated Debates [Archive]

Armok

May 10, 2004, 06:22 AM

I hate debate obcessives. They could be arguing about weither the world was flat and make it last for hrs and end up with flat being excepted as the correct answer.

I just hate this whole useless arguing for argue sake crap. It always comes down to immature name calling, quoting off incorrect blatent lie facts, using stupid Philosophy buzz words such as universal truth, shouting loudly or the classical I bet you 1 million pounds I'm right crap.

STFU you losers your wrong except it for once, theres no point in continuing to argue just to piss ppl off. I'm not some dumb ass know nothing who will just accept your right cos you make up aload of elaberate lies using long and complex meaningless words (which frankly also annoy me greatly). I'll take your stupid bet where you say you'll go on the internet and get the information to prove you right cos you fucking never ever do.

Deathscythealpha

May 10, 2004, 06:36 AM

Erg, the girls on my flat are terrible for that.

I was explainging to a friend that i had finally got around to doing a Defrag and that it was taking some time and one of them chirps in 'Well i never Defrag my PC'. I tell her that she should every once in awhile as it cleans up the junk and make syour PC run faster but she's insistent that it doesnt do anything. We argue for about ten minutes (in which i also bring up my two years of computing at college) but she's still adament that Defrag does nothing. SO i call her bloody minded and ran away.

The only good heated debates are over who would win in fights. The Robocop vs Terminator vs Alien vs Predator is still one we have come to a true resolve to on our flat (i think Predator).

Armok

May 10, 2004, 06:43 AM

If you played Alien versus preditor 2 on the pc you would say alien.

As for the arguement that this rant is generally refering to its the

'Is there such a thing as a Selfless act' reoccuring Arguement. I hate it the stupid English students always twist the crap off topic using 'self means you cannot be involved bollocks' despite the fact I proved there is a selfless act in either case.

Evil_Althena8

May 10, 2004, 03:27 PM

oh my god I hate debative(word?) people. Theres this girl I know(used to be friends with) that would always want to argue something. The topics would usually be government, sex, feminism, religion, etc. She's one of those pseudo-intellectual types who put on this face that they are extremely intelligent to intimidate people. In reality, she's just a confused girl.

ssephiroth_da_hunter

May 10, 2004, 04:13 PM

I use to know this guy, was never really friends with him, but he would always debate over politics and the government. At times he would go on a tangent and argue how American cars are better than Asian cars. THe funny thing was when he lost an argument he wouuld yell shutup and walk away angry.

geewj

May 10, 2004, 04:18 PM

What you describes doesn't sound so much like debate as it does petty fighting. Because I enjoy debats, but none of them end up like the ones you described. We basicly both take different stances on a topic and try and prove ours (we don't always honestly believe our side is the right one, or that there is a right one, byt that's not always the point of debate).

On 2004-05-10 04:36, Deathscythealpha wrote:

The only good heated debates are over who would win in fights. The Robocop vs Terminator vs Alien vs Predator is still one we have come to a true resolve to on our flat (i think Predator).

Superman Vs The Jedi is one of my favorite.

Armok

May 10, 2004, 04:27 PM

On 2004-05-10 14:18, Prof_Frink wrote:
What you describes doesn't sound so much like debate as it does petty fighting. Because I enjoy debats, but none of them end up like the ones you described. We basicly both take different stances on a topic and try and prove ours (we don't always honestly believe our side is the right one, or that there is a right one, byt that's not always the point of debate).

You must not have debates on
'does god exist'
'is everyone perception the same'
'selfless acts'
This kinda stuff never gets resolved and always ends up in rubbish shouting.

We had a arguement over weither a society can exist where all ppl are happy. I argued the point over brain implants that made ppl happy and they all argued that its against free will.

Oh and we did have a debate today over
Cruise in Last Sam
Vs
Uma in Kill Bill

Cruise won suprisingly

Solstis

May 10, 2004, 05:40 PM

On 2004-05-10 14:18, Prof_Frink wrote:
What you describes doesn't sound so much like debate as it does petty fighting. Because I enjoy debats, but none of them end up like the ones you described. We basicly both take different stances on a topic and try and prove ours (we don't always honestly believe our side is the right one, or that there is a right one, byt that's not always the point of debate).

On 2004-05-10 04:36, Deathscythealpha wrote:

The only good heated debates are over who would win in fights. The Robocop vs Terminator vs Alien vs Predator is still one we have come to a true resolve to on our flat (i think Predator).

Superman Vs The Jedi is one of my favorite.

Jedi.

But yeah, controlled debates are fun http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif.

Outrider

May 10, 2004, 06:05 PM

On 2004-05-10 15:40, Solstis wrote:

On 2004-05-10 14:18, Prof_Frink wrote:
What you describes doesn't sound so much like debate as it does petty fighting. Because I enjoy debats, but none of them end up like the ones you described. We basicly both take different stances on a topic and try and prove ours (we don't always honestly believe our side is the right one, or that there is a right one, byt that's not always the point of debate).

On 2004-05-10 04:36, Deathscythealpha wrote:

The only good heated debates are over who would win in fights. The Robocop vs Terminator vs Alien vs Predator is still one we have come to a true resolve to on our flat (i think Predator).

Superman Vs The Jedi is one of my favorite.

Jedi.

But yeah, controlled debates are fun http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif.

I can't see how that is a fair fight at all. Superspeed plus superstrength equals dead Jedi. Unless we're going into crazy superpowered EU guys that I'm not too clear on.

The best one is Goku vs. Superman. Man oh man... that debate has lasted for several years. Oh, and that's Post-Crisis Superman.

[ This Message was edited by: Outrider on 2004-05-10 16:12 ]

Ness

May 10, 2004, 06:13 PM

On 2004-05-10 16:05, Outrider wrote:
Oh, and that's Post-Crisis Superman.

[ This Message was edited by: Outrider on 2004-05-10 16:12 ]

What's the difference?

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 06:17 PM

Not entirely sure....but I think it was when he was stronger....{am I wrong} http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Btw way....which goku are you referring to. B'cuz anything SSJ and higher would dominate Superman with a passion. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

My all time favorite Debate is...... Gene Starwind vs. Vash the Stampede vs. Spike Spiegel. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Gene Starwind, wins....by a whole "Caster 9".... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ This Message was edited by: DarthFomar on 2004-05-10 16:20 ]

WraithVerge

May 10, 2004, 06:56 PM

My all time favorite Debate is...... Gene Starwind vs. Vash the Stampede vs. Spike Spiegel.

Gene Starwind, wins....by a whole "Caster 9"....

Nah, I'd say Vash. Hands down. Speedy, agile, accurate, and that Angel Arm cannon..... phew. Problem is, he'd never USE the arm cannon since it would end up killing the other two... plus Vash would lose if this was a Deathmatch. :/ but that doesn't mean he couldn't disarm the opponent or incapacitate them by landing a few well placed shots in the knee caps http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

*AHEM*

Anyways.... back on topic.

I like to play Devil's Advocate most of the time, even if I don't agree with what I'm saying. It may cause arguments, but if I'm talking to an open minded person, he/she will see that there's another side to this equation.

Debates on politics, religion, pizza toppings are to be avoided since there about 10,000 different views and almost always ends it "BS you are WRONG!"

Thing is, keep your calm and understand that you have your opinion and the person/people you are talking with have his/hers/theirs. If they "insist" that they are correct and you are stupid, well.... that's up to you how you wish to deal with the situation. Punch them in the face, walk away, stay and argue..... *shrug*

[ This Message was edited by: WraithVerge on 2004-05-10 16:57 ]

Solstis

May 10, 2004, 07:01 PM

On 2004-05-10 16:05, Outrider wrote:

On 2004-05-10 15:40, Solstis wrote:

On 2004-05-10 14:18, Prof_Frink wrote:
What you describes doesn't sound so much like debate as it does petty fighting. Because I enjoy debats, but none of them end up like the ones you described. We basicly both take different stances on a topic and try and prove ours (we don't always honestly believe our side is the right one, or that there is a right one, byt that's not always the point of debate).

On 2004-05-10 04:36, Deathscythealpha wrote:

The only good heated debates are over who would win in fights. The Robocop vs Terminator vs Alien vs Predator is still one we have come to a true resolve to on our flat (i think Predator).

Superman Vs The Jedi is one of my favorite.

Jedi.

But yeah, controlled debates are fun http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif.

I can't see how that is a fair fight at all. Superspeed plus superstrength equals dead Jedi. Unless we're going into crazy superpowered EU guys that I'm not too clear on.

The best one is Goku vs. Superman. Man oh man... that debate has lasted for several years. Oh, and that's Post-Crisis Superman.

[ This Message was edited by: Outrider on 2004-05-10 16:12 ]

All the Jedi would have to do is wait for Superman to charge at him and slice away.

I mean, really, Supes has a habit of flying and charging or punching, then laser beaming.

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 07:02 PM

"Caster 9"...is a black hole vortex and if Gene Starwind uses it everything {even possibly himself...but it depends on his position and how many times he has been exposed to the caster} will get sucked in. Spike and Vash would definitly loose to the "Caster 9" {they wouldn't exist...so to speak}. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And Solstis.....Superman wouldn't even feel the lightsaber. He would brush it off and smash in the Jedi's face before he could even realize he was dead from the start. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ This Message was edited by: DarthFomar on 2004-05-10 17:03 ]

WraithVerge

May 10, 2004, 07:13 PM

On 2004-05-10 17:02, DarthFomar wrote:
"Caster 9"...is a black hole vortex and if Gene Starwind uses it everything {even possibly himself...but it depends on his position and how many times he has been exposed to the caster} will get sucked in. Spike and Vash would definitly loose to the "Caster 9" {they wouldn't exist...so to speak}. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And Solstis.....Superman wouldn't even feel the lightsaber. He would brush it off and smash in the Jedi's face before he could even realize he was dead from the start. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ This Message was edited by: DarthFomar on 2004-05-10 17:03 ]

here's a funny thought. A jedi places a shard of kryptonite into his lightsaber. WALLA! Superman putty. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, I know what the Caster gun does/is and most of the ammo/magic it uses, but I still say Vash would win in straight up gun shooting. Superweapons are so overrated anyway. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[ This Message was edited by: WraithVerge on 2004-05-10 17:15 ]

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 07:20 PM

I don't think the Jedi could even possibly find a shard of Kryptonite.....it is supposedly the rarest stone in all of the DC universe {but it's funny how Batman and Lex Luthor have some} http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

If they did find one {and that's prolly the only one they would find}. Superman would kill the Jedi using the Lightsaber with the K-shard in it, before he could swing the first strike. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Superman vs. Jedi.....Jedi loose hands down {like Outrider said....."I can't see how that is a fair fight", but he still owns them all}. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ This Message was edited by: DarthFomar on 2004-05-10 17:22 ]

Outrider

May 10, 2004, 07:22 PM

Well, remember this:

Superman is about on par with the Flash in terms of speed. The Flash moves just below the speed of light when he wants to.

No Jedi can react that quickly.

But a Kryptonite lightsaber, eh? Aside from radiation, I like the idea. Heh. I'm sure somebody has written some bad fan-fiction on it before.

Also, Superman would definitely be able to fight Goku at certain levels of Super Saiyan, but it gets to the point where Goku has more power than he knows what to do with. But yes, usually we would pit some stage of Super Saiyan Goku vs Superman.

Let's see... Ah. Pre-Crisis Superman was a God. He would juggle planets around, time-travel, invent superpowers, etc. Post-Crisis is much more vulnerable. Things can actually hurt him.

And I also say that Vash would be able to beat Gene. Actually, I don't even know what Spike would be doing there. He's only got his handgun, and that's a modern-day model! Run, Spiegel, run!

EDIT: Darth, remember... Supes won't kill them. Unless we're doing a hypothetical situation where he's willing to. If that's the case, it's incredible overkill.

[ This Message was edited by: Outrider on 2004-05-10 17:26 ]

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 07:31 PM

On 2004-05-10 17:22, Outrider wrote:
Well, remember this:

Superman is about on par with the Flash in terms of speed. The Flash moves just below the speed of light when he wants to.

No Jedi can react that quickly.

But a Kryptonite lightsaber, eh? Aside from radiation, I like the idea. Heh. I'm sure somebody has written some bad fan-fiction on it before.

Also, Superman would definitely be able to fight Goku at certain levels of Super Saiyan, but it gets to the point where Goku has more power than he knows what to do with. But yes, usually we would pit some stage of Super Saiyan Goku vs Superman.

Let's see... Ah. Pre-Crisis Superman was a God. He would juggle planets around, time-travel, invent superpowers, etc. Post-Crisis is much more vulnerable. Things can actually hurt him.

And I also say that Vash would be able to beat Gene. Actually, I don't even know what Spike would be doing there. He's only got his handgun, and that's a modern-day model! Run, Spiegel, run!

I agree Goku and Superman fighting is a cool thing. But if Goku goes SSJ {or higher} the Superman {Post-Crisis} is in a world of Hurt. Goku can move faster than the speed of anything at his SSJ levels. Now I do not know much about the GOD Superman. But the original Superman would die a thousand times through if he fought Goku at his higher levels.

As for Spike....he is knowledgable about lots of things. He could definitly hold his own against Vash. But Gene would literally kill them both. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I do not think you ppl understand the concept of the "Caster 9". It...is...a...black...hole?! It could easily suck in everything in it's vicinity *which is very vast* {possibly even Gene himself}. All he has to do is {already have the thing loaded *Caster 9*...or take a second or two to load it} and Spike and Vash are gone from the face of the Universe. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Outrider

May 10, 2004, 07:57 PM

Well, I understand your argument about Goku going Super Saiyan. But this goes along with the balancing of universes when you combine things. You need to give some leeway to try and make them equal. I mean, it doesn't take long for the DB characters to move quicker than the eye can see, so they're obviously very very fast.

In terms of strength... Superman on a normal day is probably on par with Super Saiyan Goku. But he can get much stronger if he's determined to. Quite like Goku. But once you get Goku up to Super Saiyan 3, unless you're throwing Superman into the sun there's not going to be much of a fight.

And obviously the Caster bullet's pull isn't that strong, or everything around it would be pulled in. Vash's blasts, though, are at least as dangerous and have a much wider range. Again, this is if he uses his super-arm thingy.

And please, Vash is a maniac when it comes to speed and accuracy. He'd probably shoot the Caster while it was charging up, causing the gun to backfire and wreck Gene instead of anyone else.

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 08:08 PM

On 2004-05-10 17:57, Outrider wrote:

And obviously the Caster bullet's pull isn't that strong, or everything around it would be pulled in. Vash's blasts, though, are at least as dangerous and have a much wider range. Again, this is if he uses his super-arm thingy.

And please, Vash is a maniac when it comes to speed and accuracy. He'd probably shoot the Caster while it was charging up, causing the gun to backfire and wreck Gene instead of anyone else.

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I think Gene would be more likely to loose by being an idiot than by Vash {kind of like Vash} http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif. What's funny is Gene kinda reminds me of Wolfwood. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

If Superman can't even beat the Hulk. I do not see how he can beat SSJ Goku. I just do not see Superman even laying a finger on him. But if we are talking about pre-Frieza saga {right after Goku is revived to fight Vegeta}. I could most certainly see them evenly matched. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif *depending on the type of Superman, I guess* http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

astuarlen

May 10, 2004, 08:24 PM

WALLA! Superman putty.
I always thought it was "Voila!", not "Walla". But I could be wrong. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Anyway, I think we're forgetting that Wonder Woman would totally annihilate any male "superhero" or character you can think of. 'Cause, ya know, girls rule, and boys drool. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

DarthFomar

May 10, 2004, 08:37 PM

On 2004-05-10 18:24, astuarlen wrote:
[quote]
Anyway, I think we're forgetting that Wonder Woman would totally annihilate any male "superhero" or character you can think of. 'Cause, ya know, girls rule, and boys drool. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

I agree with you....Wonder Woman has owned Superman several times through. If Goku was fighting her he would be so *drooly* he couldn't fight. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I would just be standing there saying....I, I, I, I, I. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Wonder Woman....rules!!!

Ness

May 10, 2004, 09:04 PM

I see Fresh Kills in the future of this thread.

DarthFomar

May 11, 2004, 02:33 AM

Well this was a rant about stupid debates....so it won't hurt to put a few stupid debates in here {will it?, am I correct or will I get baby punched in the face http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif}

Shouldn't we be allowed to throw in a few...... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

But to go with the topic.........yeah I don't much care for stupid debates either.....even if they are important in some way or not. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Outrider

May 11, 2004, 02:49 AM

Except Superman DID beat the Hulk. And has beaten Darkseid. And Doomsday. All of them characters with ridiculous strength. You obviously don't have a complete grasp of how powerful he is. Go pick up any of the "big summer events" that DC has and you'll most likely see him doing some amazing feats. You could also check most of the big JLA stories.

Also, Wonder Woman isn't even bullet-proof. (Don't ask me, I don't write the character.) And she's never beaten Superman in a fair fight. Heck, her and Batman have fought and been almost on par.

Yeah, we pretty much killed Armok's topic, but I live for hypothetical superhero debates.

And blame Frink. He's the one that mentioned Superman vs. Jedi. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Armok

May 11, 2004, 04:16 AM

Yep I think this may be desitined for off topic or FKL. Although Prof F kinda did start the dragging off topic way back. May as well give some ideas

Superman in theory is rubbish as red giants cannot support life due to solar flares echoing out of it for millions of miles wiping out any large unreacted carbon molecules. Also they don't exist long enough for advance life to develop so that puts an end to supermans race even existing.

Now even if Superman where to exist and fight the jedi he still relies on a yellow sun for power (thats still the case right?) This means hes stuck in 1 solar system while the jedi could just come in blow up the sun or just wait outside the solar system and supermans just plain out done for.

Outrider

May 11, 2004, 12:56 PM

On 2004-05-11 02:16, Armok wrote:
Now even if Superman where to exist and fight the jedi he still relies on a yellow sun for power (thats still the case right?) This means hes stuck in 1 solar system while the jedi could just come in blow up the sun or just wait outside the solar system and supermans just plain out done for.

I'm fairly sure there are no non-yellow suns in Star Wars canon. Plus, it's not like they have a Sun Destroyer lying around... they can't really blow up the sun.

Plus, Supes isn't a Daxamite. He still maintains his power for a little while after he leaves the light of a yellow sun. His body stores it, after all. I mean, it would definitely be a disadvantage, but if he worked quick enough, he might still be able to pull it off.

WraithVerge

May 11, 2004, 05:28 PM

On 2004-05-10 18:24, astuarlen wrote:

WALLA! Superman putty.
I always thought it was "Voila!", not "Walla". But I could be wrong. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Anyway, I think we're forgetting that Wonder Woman would totally annihilate any male "superhero" or character you can think of. 'Cause, ya know, girls rule, and boys drool. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

I thought it was "viola"? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Anyway... the thread topic isn't solely about stupid debates. It's mainly about people who just HAVE to argue and everything ending up being a flame war. What we're doing hasn't degraded into that yet http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm trying to think up a good fight between Aisha and someone else http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

lain2k3

May 11, 2004, 06:08 PM

Spike would pwn Vash and Gene. Vash would never be able to kill either, so he's flat out of it. From what I've seen, Spike is a bit more on the seroius, determined to die kinda barvery part of fighting, because he's never really been alive, emotionally. Gene would definetely hold back, in fear of himself and others. Spike, frankly, does not give a fuck, especially later in the series. Gene's only advantage over spike would be technological.

And I'd have to say that D would win if he just happened to be passing along at the time, but he's roughly on par with the characters above.

[ This Message was edited by: lain2k3 on 2004-05-11 16:08 ]

DarthFomar

May 11, 2004, 06:48 PM

On 2004-05-11 16:08, lain2k3 wrote:
Spike would pwn Vash and Gene. Vash would never be able to kill either, so he's flat out of it. From what I've seen, Spike is a bit more on the seroius, determined to die kinda barvery part of fighting, because he's never really been alive, emotionally. Gene would definetely hold back, in fear of himself and others. Spike, frankly, does not give a fuck, especially later in the series. Gene's only advantage over spike would be technological.

And I'd have to say that D would win if he just happened to be passing along at the time, but he's roughly on par with the characters above.

[ This Message was edited by: lain2k3 on 2004-05-11 16:08 ]

Who is D... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

You have a good point...But Vash has killed many times before....you ppl seem to forget that. Whenever he CAN avoid killing, he DOES...but eventually even he must kill.

Spike would also fair decent against Vash and Gene....all he needs to do is get close and whoop some ass. As far as his gun goes....he is accurate I'll give him that....but against Vash and Gene he will need an aim bot http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif or something to put them down.

Gene Starwind....has his Caster....and his various Caster shells. If he pulled out the Caster 9 they would all die....I am sorry to disappoint, but that's a fact. If he didn't kill himself while using the Caster Gene would be the victory {and the caster is one of the only weapons that he has...so he's gonna use everything he's got...just like Vash would probably use his Angel Arm cannon}

[ This Message was edited by: DarthFomar on 2004-05-11 16:51 ]

Outrider

May 12, 2004, 01:51 AM

Uh, no... I'm fairly sure Vash only killed the one guy near the end of the series.

And again... the caster takes time to charge up, and is fairly localized. Vash could easily get out of the way. And yet again, Vash would most likely be able to shoot out the gun.

DarthFomar

May 12, 2004, 02:08 AM

On 2004-05-11 23:51, Outrider wrote:
Uh, no... I'm fairly sure Vash only killed the one guy near the end of the series.

And again... the caster takes time to charge up, and is fairly localized. Vash could easily get out of the way. And yet again, Vash would most likely be able to shoot out the gun.

Vash has killed at least twice {possibly more} for the record....have you even watched all of the anime series. He admittes that he has killed ppl in the past...so that guy at the end wasn't his first nor the last. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And you still don't get it. Gene would kill them all. The gun does take time to charge *?*. If he did knock the gun outta his hands somehow. He would've already fired the Caster 9 anyway, so they would all die now wouldn't they. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Outrider

May 12, 2004, 02:33 AM

Remember how the caster spins and such while it's preparing to launch the shot? There's time for a bullet to get fired. That's the bullet that will disarm Gene.

Hmm... who did Vash admit killing? Because I don't remember him directly saying it, but I might've just missed the line. I remember that he doesn't kill anybody in any of the flashback scenes... that much is obvious. Well, at least not on purpose. You sure you're not talking about how Vash refers to his guilt for certain peoples' deaths?

DarthFomar

May 12, 2004, 03:09 AM

On 2004-05-12 00:33, Outrider wrote:
Well, at least not on purpose.

...he would never {unless absolutely need be} kill on purpose...but **I think** he mentions something about accidentally killing someone. I dunno I'd have to watch the whole series over again.

You sure you're not talking about how Vash refers to his guilt for certain peoples' deaths?

It may be possible I am thinking something along that lines...can't really say. I am a little tired at the moment so I don't know what to think. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Of course I could be thinking that he actually kills Zazie...but Wolfwood did that now didn't he. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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lain2k3

May 12, 2004, 05:38 AM

D = Vampire Hunter D, teh Dunpeal.

DarthFomar

May 12, 2004, 05:48 AM

On 2004-05-12 03:38, lain2k3 wrote:
D = Vampire Hunter D, teh Dunpeal.

Oh....lol

I agree...he is pretty badass.....I never thought about putting him against these guys before. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif cool!!!

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Zzzzzz

May 12, 2004, 12:34 PM

What about that short guy that shows up at the bar in Trigun in the begining of "The Fifth Moon"? He could beat Superman and the Hulk.
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

KodiaX987

May 12, 2004, 12:47 PM

SPOILER ALERT!!!

Vash's only intentional kill was Legato Bluesummers. Other deaths were accidental and unintentional.

Scejntjynahl

May 12, 2004, 01:00 PM

Uhm, doesnt anyone remember that Superman is weak to magic also?

Outrider

May 12, 2004, 02:19 PM

On 2004-05-12 11:00, Furankunichan wrote:
Uhm, doesnt anyone remember that Superman is weak to magic also?

Right. Magic and kryptonite are the two major weaknesses of Kryptonians.

But I mean... I wouldn't count the force as magic... it's more TK. (I can't spell it out... bah!)

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DurakkenX

May 14, 2004, 10:22 AM

superman vs jedi...superman obviously jedi is too slow. Laser would cut supes actually the way he was originally.

Superman vs Gokuu...Gokuu has been dead how many times? can fly, teleport, and move faster than light plus can breathe in space via SSJ (they say they can't but there is a scene when vegeta flies through space and does so via going SSJ, and can destroy a solar system in a single blast of ki energy..Super man on the other end is fast but can't run into space sorry no oxygen. even if he could gokuu could move so far away that he couldn't get there fast enough and by the time he did he would have enough ki to disolve him. Superman = Raditz

Oh and as for debating i love to debate and argue if only to show something to someone who thinks there is only one right answer when in fact there is no right answer to anything.

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Outrider

May 14, 2004, 04:31 PM

No, for the last time... Superman does not need oxygen. I really wish people had some idea of Superman outside of the cartoon.

And the only time any of the Saiyans have survived in space without oxygen for a substantial time in absolute canon Dragonball (Manga-only, without the filler that was added in for the anime) was when Goku put the Rabbit Gang up on the moon. And honestly, very few of the rules of the world of Dragonball were taken seriously or even existed when Toriyama was doing that section of the comic.

I think Goku would definitely win, but some people just have no concept of how strong Superman is.

Oh yeah... and odds are the lightsaber would not cut Superman. His invulnerability is actually a forcefield surrounding his body, which explains why he usually manages to keep his clothing on. Lightsabers can be countered with such a field, so odds are it wouldn't cut him. Also, if you're counting Extended Universe, the Yuuzhan Vong have those stupid snake sticks that a lightsaber can't cut through (though it makes no sense... but unfortunately, it's canon EU). So, obviously there are some materials hard enough that a lightsaber can't cut through... I'd say Superman is definitely at least as strong as one of those stupid staffs.