Heard this one?

[AUTO_]

Have you ever gotten in a really heated argument with someone and said terrible things but then made up for it later?

Of course you have.



This rant is basically about the anger weighing out the sincerity of most sorry's in the "make up" period.

Now, I know I've called some people things in real life that basically came from raw hatred.

And the most common line is:

"I'm sorry, you know I didn't mean that".

Now, maybe I can't talk for anyone here but me, but when I say something very harsh in an argument--I tend to mean it even after the make up time...even though I may tend to not feel as STRONGLY about it later.



I think from those kind of arguments you learn a lot of things you didn't know from the people saying the things to you (yourself as well).



Haven't any of you been told the line "I'm sorry, you know I didn't mean it" when you could just fucking TELL that when the person said it they meant it?

It basically implies to me that people just hate people (not all--you get my point) but don't want to make it blatantly obvious because we like to avoid rift-rafts and confrontations.

Dunno, just kind of bugs me.

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[Subliminalgroove]

On 2004-07-17 00:39, AUTO_ wrote:

It basically implies to me that people just hate people (not all--you get my point) but don't want to make it blatantly obvious because we like to avoid rift-rafts and confrontations.




Welcome to american society. Most of us are bastards.

Well, not really us on an individual basis. I think its just how culture drives us. We are incouraged to not care about other people, unless it serves us in some way. There are definatly going to be some times when people say that in the most honest manner and with eyes that can melt, when deep down they are just thinking: I want to have sex with you later or I'm lonely, be my friend until I decide to be an ass again.

Or amybe I have just grown cynical over the last few years.

[Nazo]

On 2004-07-17 01:39, Subliminalgroove wrote:

Or maybe I have just grown cynical over the last few years.



*puts hand on Sub's shoulder*

Its not a good idea my friend. Run! Be free! Love humans!

*takes another sip of Red Bull*

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[KaFKa]

what is this make up thing as you put it?

seriously, if i burn (or nuke) that bridge, im leaving it burnt. if you cut off a relationship (of any level) due to a fit of rage incited by that person, leave it be, and never talk to them again. you'd be amazed at how many people would be willing to make up once they need something from you. use this as leverage to milk every last bit of willingness they have, and manipulate them imto their own undoing. i've done that countless times. 'tis fun

[AUTO_]

On 2004-07-17 06:03, KaFKa wrote:
what is this make up thing as you put it?

seriously, if i burn (or nuke) that bridge, im leaving it burnt. if you cut off a relationship (of any level) due to a fit of rage incited by that person, leave it be, and never talk to them again. you'd be amazed at how many people would be willing to make up once they need something from you. use this as leverage to milk every last bit of willingness they have, and manipulate them imto their own undoing. i've done that countless times. 'tis fun



It's hard to do this to say...my parents. Or, people I go to school with and see 5 days of the week.

It just makes your life harder ya'know? Especially at home.

[KaFKa]

On 2004-07-17 10:08, AUTO_ wrote:
It's hard to do this to say...my parents. Or, people I go to school with and see 5 days of the week.

depending on how old you are, its the same with parents. but seriously, unless you have a damn good reason to, you shouldnt be screaming at your parents anyways. makes you sound like a spoiled little fucker.

and those people that you see 5 days a week? thats what they are. just people.

[AUTO_]

On 2004-07-17 10:14, KaFKa wrote:
and those people that you see 5 days a week? thats what they are. just people.



You make it sound clean cut.

Regardless if they're people, you SEE them a large portion of your week and it creates a lot of hostility.

I'm sure this isn't as big of a problem in big schools, but I go to a small ass school. My class has fucking 14 people in it.

Sometimes the forgiveness thing is worth it dude...even if you don't truely mean it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


I agree with you on the screaming at parents/spoiled fucker, but (like you mentioned) there are justified reasons...I'm sure even you can relate with that?

[KaFKa]

On 2004-07-17 10:23, AUTO_ wrote:
You make it sound clean cut.

as in all things, easier said than done.


Regardless if they're people, you SEE them a large portion of your week and it creates a lot of hostility.

i see alot of people daily at work that i would rather pound into grease stains on the ground than be near for a minute. im not sure about your case, but most people (although this is a generalization) are mature enough to no go looking for a fight every time they see you. it usually doesent go past the sidelong glances and dirty looks.


I'm sure this isn't as big of a problem in big schools, but I go to a small ass school. My class has fucking 14 people in it.

its just as bad in big schools as in small ones.


Sometimes the forgiveness thing is worth it dude...even if you don't truely mean it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

NEVAR!!1!!1!!!!1111!11 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


I agree with you on the screaming at parents/spoiled fucker, but (like you mentioned) there are justified reasons...I'm sure even you can relate with that?

like i said, it should be a damn god reason. and yes, i can relate. although i doubt its as extreme.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-07-17 00:39, AUTO_ wrote:
Have you ever gotten in a really heated argument with someone and said terrible things but then made up for it later?

Of course you have.



This rant is basically about the anger weighing out the sincerity of most sorry's in the "make up" period.

Now, I know I've called some people things in real life that basically came from raw hatred.

And the most common line is:

"I'm sorry, you know I didn't mean that".

Now, maybe I can't talk for anyone here but me, but when I say something very harsh in an argument--I tend to mean it even after the make up time...even though I may tend to not feel as STRONGLY about it later.



I think from those kind of arguments you learn a lot of things you didn't know from the people saying the things to you (yourself as well).



Haven't any of you been told the line "I'm sorry, you know I didn't mean it" when you could just fucking TELL that when the person said it they meant it?

It basically implies to me that people just hate people (not all--you get my point) but don't want to make it blatantly obvious because we like to avoid rift-rafts and confrontations.

Dunno, just kind of bugs me.

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So, it bugs you if someone wants to be nice and not want to hurt someone elses feelings?! Would you not forgive them, would you not accept the forgiveness?! I would! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I could most certainly forgive just as easily as the next person. So, really, I don't see how someone apologizing would "bug" you?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Ever heard the saying, "forgive and forget"?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Just an insight nothing more. Not trying to start any shit, lord knows I'm sick of it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Dhylec]

DarthFomar wrote:

Ever heard the saying, "forgive and forget"?! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

heh, i forgive, but never forget http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[KaFKa]

heres one that i'd rather live by: "dont get mad, just get even"

[astuarlen]

heres one that i'd rather live by: "dont get mad, just get even"
I thought it was, "Don't get mad; get Glad." http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Subliminalgroove]

Kafka, some people need to know that they are not hated by people around them. So the wait until they need something and then manipulate doesn't work for them. If it works for you, great! But I have a question... how do you have serious relationships? Or are you so hot that when a person you are angry at ends up on the other side of that burned bridge ( because of some tragic mix of frustration, nerves, and lack of patience) you can just go out and find another? I'm not trying to be sarcastic.... I'm just wondering.

[Ness]

I think it's good that people apologize after being jackasses. It makes me feel good to know that they took the time to apoligize for thier actions or attitude, even if it isn't sincere.

[KaFKa]

On 2004-07-17 14:27, Subliminalgroove wrote:
Kafka, some people need to know that they are not hated by people around them. So the wait until they need something and then manipulate doesn't work for them. If it works for you, great!

you see, this is where personal experiance is needed. i have "burnt the bridge" only a few times, mainly because those that i tend to choose as friends arent the kind of people that piss me off. that and i dont go off on people as regularly as i make it seem.


But I have a question... how do you have serious relationships? Or are you so hot that when a person you are angry at ends up on the other side of that burned bridge ( because of some tragic mix of frustration, nerves, and lack of patience) you can just go out and find another? I'm not trying to be sarcastic.... I'm just wondering.

...honestly, im not sure what you mean by this. if you mean by girlfriends and such, then i've never done that. i've never even raised my voice at a girl i've liked. hell, im married to a woman i love more than life itself. but yes, if i was single i probably could go out on the town and get laid that night if i really wanted to.

if you mean close friends, then see my answer to the first question. my close friends are like family.

im talking about those people that are everyday acquaintances that i've manipulated. those people that try to get close to you just because they're in it for some benefit. the people that you cant be around for more than eight hours or you'll start getting annoyed.

but, getting off that, it seems like the problem solved itself anyways, so meh.

[geewj]

Well I really never say anything I don't mean, so I never really have to give the apology speach. Any arguments I have with my girlfriend are usualy because of a miscommunication, or something she has read too much into. So my appology, if any, usualy starts out something like "I'm sorry if you though...". I know it may seem a little prickish, but I'll not be in a relationship (girlfriend, family friends) where I've to lie and apologize for things I'm not sorry for, since I never did them just to meake things peacful.

Hmm, I guess that's not what the topic is about though >_>

My advice on topic, is just try and watch what you say.