PSOBB

[Nai_Calus]

You know what I'm sick of? The attitude towards PSOBB on this site.

Ok, first of all, PSO+ doesn't even have anything worth shit that's 'new' unless you're offline. And even there it's not that great. Ok, offline Ep2 c-mode. Great. You get the same S-Rank prizes as you do for Ep1, plus a couple of coloured rings for A and B. How many people have actually done Ep_1_ cmode offline? Yes, all two of you. O_o; East and West Tower? Well, that's great for Ill Gill, Del Lily and Epsilon drops, as well as CCA miniboss drops, but part of the point is removed, as there's no Gallon's Shop to do subquests for. Your PDs are STILL useless. Hey, Seat of the Heart! Yeah, that's about the best update. Oh look, they fixed duping! ...Yeah, and you can still go right back to the old version and dupe there. There's still FSOD, still the chance of corruption, it's still the same exact PSO with a couple of bells added from online to make it pretty. So the wank is all 'OMFG NEW CONTENT!!!111one!11', when there isn't any. At all.

Now, what does PSOBB have? Well, currently it's still brand fucking new, so not everything is released yet. No Ult yet, for example, and no C-mode/BA, but that will be coming before long. But let's see what it has, even now, and mention what it will have:

Server-side saving? Hello? Outside of server fuck-ups, you won't be losing your weapons. FSOD does not exist. The client crashes, you're disconnected. That's it. You don't lose your weapons, you don't lose the things you found while you were playing, you don't lose the exp you got. You're right EXACTLY where you were when you got kicked out.

Patchable client? Can you say bugfixes, blocking out cheating methods, new additions, etc? ST actually CARES about PSOBB. They patch the client. They ban users. They've gone so far as to ban Broomop's entire ISP. I mean, shit, they're actually DOING something.

Some of the character stats and stat growth has been changed. Doesn't that excite you any? Don't you want to see if your favourite class has been altered?

Monster stats and exp values have been changed. Ep2 exp has been boosted so much that it's better for levelling than Ep1. A Hard Temple Poison Lily is worth more than a Hard Ruins Dimenian.

The advancement system has been changed completely. Instead of wandering through the levels hitting pillars, defeating bosses and talking to the principal, you have a series of government/lab quests. They tend to be good for levelling, and some have high counts of uncommon enemies, making them great for rare hunting. Boss quests for the first three areas net you a prize, which is nothing spectacular, but they can be useful, and the rare weapons from higher difficulties can be given to lower-levelled friends or teammates, or donated to team points. If you get DCed or leave during these government quests, you can rejoin them. And you can join in the middle of one already in progress.

Speaking of teams, yeah, there's those, too. Make a team or join one. Great way to make friends and find people to play with. You don't need the guild card of someone on your team, you don't even need to have met them, because you can just hit F8 for a listing of your teammates, and select their names to see if they're on. F9? Brings up your team chat. Team chat is basically a chat room. Everyone on the team currently on can use it to talk to everyone else on the team, regardless of if they're in the same game, the same block, the same ship or not. You can still run around and play with team chat up, no more irksome mails you have to stop for. If you've got rare weapons you don't want and don't know anyone else who wants, you can donate them to your team for points which can be used to buy things like more members and a team flag. You can mail weapons and such to teammates, too. O_o; Wanted to let your friend borrow your Madam's Umbrella, but they're knee-deep in Lost Soul Blade and you can't go to them? Mail it to them.

New area and monsters. Now, doesn't that excite you at ALL? Remember when you were all wanking about Ep2 and about the Control Tower on GC because, OMG, new areas? Well, what do you think this is? New area. New monsters. Probably new items to find.

PSOBB is to Ep1&2 what Ep1&2 was to Ver.2.

And yet people bitch about it, and wank over PSO+ being released in the US.

"OMG IT SI TEH ONLY IN TEH JAPANEZE AND I R TEH HAB TO CONFIGURE THINGS ON MY COMPUTER!"

Hey, didn't you import Ep3? Even after you found out that there WAS NO ENGLISH SETTING? You paid 50 bucks for it, played it for a week and quit. What the hell, man. For fsck's sake, PSOBB is free! You download the client, you try it out, if you like it, great, get a HL and join us, if you don't, go uninstall it. You've lost nothing. Configure things on your computer? Do you know what it consists of on WinXP? Change two settings in Control Panel, both of which involve drop-down menus. It takes 20 seconds, and is completely reversible. There's even the possibility that there will one day BE an English mode, since they can patch the client.

"OMG MY GRAPHIX CARD SI TEH SUCK AND IZ 5500 YEARZ OLD!"

Yeah, I can't help you there, other than to tell you to get a new computer/graphics card. Damn, are you the one person in the universe who doesn't play computer games or something? O_o;

And while we're speaking of incompatibilities... Yeah, you know how you could never get online with GC because you were on AOL? Guess what PSOBB will work with! AOL! Dialup AOL, even!

Oh, and no more duping! And an active attempt to stop hacking! Bitching about the unlegitness on GC/Xbox? Yeah, well, guess what. O_o;

Oh, the section ID calculation has been changed, too. Twice, actually. They're on the second revised system.

PSOBB is great. It's PSO like it was meant to be. And yet consistently, people refuse to even consider it or read up anything about it. We get people come into threads and say 'What are you talking about, I've never seen that on GC' when the topic tag specifically states PSOBB. Half our threads that should be stickied aren't. People complain about our snapshot thread taking too long to load on their 56k. Well of course it does, PSOBB snapshots are full-screen and originally saved as lossless .bmps. They're a direct capture of exactly what's on the computer screen. We only have ONE topic tag. GC-Item? XBox-Quest? DC-Challenge? Nope, we have PSOBB and that's it. We don't have anywhere in our profile to state which team we're on. Our updates are ignored. People bash our game and complain about our 'spam'.

What the hell, people, half of you have never even tried it. Stop being so xenophobic, read the threads and stickies, learn some kana, and get your ass online. -_-

At the very least stop bitching about it.

[_knot_]

I would have gotten PSOBB upon its release, but hell that damn crappy computer problem pops up. I would love BB but the thing is... I spent $100+ on EpI&II I think I will stick with it until PSU. I am going to get PSO+ for one reason and one reason only, to give my older copy to a friend for a present, yeah yeah no double save, great. Whoop dee do.

I agree with you completely, PSOBB should be more recognized on PSOW, but I think people don't even care because it is JP only for the time being. I admit that I was afraid to even download BB because it was in JP.

Anyways, nice post, hopefully this will give BB the attention it deserves.

[Ness]

I'm done with PSO. I'll come back to PSO when an actual sequel has been made. In my opinion, PSO ver. 1 on Dreamcast will always be the best PSO out there because then it was new, fresh, exciting, and free. All of this new stuff (PSO BB, PSO Ep. 3, and PSO Plus) is just Sonic Team beating around the bush.

I would also liek to mention that the only reason is seems ST cares so much about the cheating on PSOBB is because you are currently playing on a Japanese server. As soon as they get American sevrers, it will be just like all the other versions.



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[Daikarin]

I won't spend any more money with PSO rip-offs.

The formula gets a bit repetitive, really. And PSOBB is no exception.

Let's just say I'm way past the phase when a copy of an old game with some new features was enough for me to spend 60 euros on it.

[Midnight]

*agrees with everything ian says*

[Para]

well what made people go to ep1&2 from v1&2? New maps new monsters and such.

Guess what?? PSO BB is offering that again!
I rather play on the japanese servers if they ever made another group of servers for americans.

[Saiffy]

A fucking men!

I totally agree with everything Ian. And quite frankly I hope to play with you on BB once I get my new computer http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

[Link00seven]

I like PSOBB, its really fun. My only complaint is $9.50/mo USD, but hey, that just happens sometimes. FFXI is $12.95/mo USD, and its boring as fuck http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[anwserman]

PSO-Mod:
We see no need to add a new board for BB! Hahaha, we're right and we'll also shove our foot up your ass for good measure.

Ian-Knux explained EVERYTHING in a nutshell about why there should be a new board for BB. BB has had so many changes and tweaks that it is only similar in spirit to any other rendition of PSO. Yup, you heard me. Instead of having tons of stickies in General about Blue Burst, MAKE A NEW FORUM FOR IT. I'll even rip apart one thread of mine that is currently stickied - the Melee FOnewearl guide. It would only apply for GC and X-Box, not for BB.

And when I wrote it, I assumed only for GC and X-Box, and not for BB. "General" is good for Ep.1&2 since they're similar to each other but not towards BB. To find rare enemies is different, to unlock areas is different and among other things.

Why don't you just create a new forum section for BB? (oh wait, because you guys don't think it is necessary.)



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: anwserman on 2004-08-22 15:41 ]</font>

[PJ]

Wouldn't a better rant be about how ST cares for the BB users and not the GC/XBox users?

And that's not a negative to the BB, like you keep saying you see (I guess I'm fucking blind http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif ), but rather, a negative on the GC/XBox version. Why, ST, why have you forsaken us? =/


On 2004-08-22 12:03, Ian-KunX wrote:
"OMG MY GRAPHIX CARD SI TEH SUCK AND IZ 5500 YEARZ OLD!"



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif That's my place http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif Unfortunately, I'm not rich enough to replace my craptacular computer http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

And, I'll agree with you, PSO + is the dumbest addition I've ever seen... but that doesn't mean I don't want it >.>

What I mean is, PSO v1 to v2, you got Ultimate mode, new weapons and level 200 cap.

With expansion packs for random computer games, you get new crap.

In this, all we get is Seat of the Heart, East and West Tower, and Central Dome Fire Swirl (Which should be fucking available for us anyways =/). I mean, I want this thing for 2 reasons: 1, the Episode 2 quests = pwnzorz, and 2, it'll cost less than the original Episode 1 & 2 ($79.99, OMGWTFBBQ!). If ST was smart, they wouldave included Gallon's Shop. HELLO?!! I plan on returning online soon, but for having all those monsters drop PDs instead of our precious rares, you could atleast make them useful for those of us who can't pay your fee http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif As soonas I hit offline again, I started really ranking in the PDs, too >_<

Ooh, yeah, we get offline Episode 2 Challenge! The same worthless prizes (Except the Rings, *drools*), small, squinty screen size = yayz?!! =/

And, since I wasn't online at the release of Battle 7 & 8, all I can say about it is people say it's dumb. So yays =3 I don't like to do battle mode anyways =/

...Man, after reading your post/my post over, it makes me feel really dumb for wanting PSO +. Oh well, offline Towering http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

EDIT: I forgot to mention the Japanese portion of it...

For anyone who's played PSO for a long enough time, it's not hard to play in Japanese, even if you don't know how to read it.

At one time, I decided to do a Mines run with my FOnewearl through the Mines, and decided to have it in Japanese text. (It looks SO much cooler, imo, even if I can't read it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

What? Don't know whata which item is your Dimate? Look at the description. It should say HP somewhere in there. And x1. An HP Material will have HP in the description, but not the x1 beside the items, since they can't stack (Alright, bad example, since if you need Dimates they'll be on your Action Bar anyways). Materials are easy, units are easy, since they both have what stat they raise in the description. Mags, peh, you go by their looks, genius! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif Weapons too!

The only problem I could have in PSOBB is the Addslot, Photon Drop, and the new Team menu. But if I just join someone else's team, where's the problem? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

EDIT2: All this talk about PSO is really making me wanna play it... especially considiering my lack of it recently http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SUPAH_CHAO on 2004-08-22 15:57 ]</font>

[darthsaber9x9]

yep, im with anwserman (GOD DAMM I HATE YOUR NAME!! lol) we need a BB thread. Maybe it will encourage more people to BB as well, which isn't a bad thing. And each day I see more threads about BB in general

[anwserman]

Oh, I should note that even though this doesn't deal with BB, PSU does NOT deserve a separate forum. Yes, there have been requests but since the only scant stuff that has been released is just a movie - it doesn't deserve a forum.

Yet, BB does in my opinion since it is a big enough departure to the PSO formula that existed from v.1 to Ep.1&2, in terms of working mechanics.

[darthsaber9x9]

petition for a BB forum anyone?

EDIT: there are currently 7 psobb topics on the first page of general, not including stickys

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[Eanae]

On 2004-08-22 15:36, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:
Wouldn't a better rant be about how ST cares for the BB users and not the GC/XBox users?

And that's not a negative to the BB, like you keep saying you see (I guess I'm fucking blind http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif ), but rather, a negative on the GC/XBox version. Why, ST, why have you forsaken us? =/


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SUPAH_CHAO on 2004-08-22 15:57 ]</font>


PSO GC/X-box can have nothing done. The game's on a cd. They cant just go out and change it. With BB however, there ARE things can do. The characters are server side, and the game can be patched at any time. In my opinion PSOBB>all other pso's. If you don't wanna put up with it in japanese, that's your problem. less n00bs for me to put up with.



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[PJ]

On 2004-08-22 16:26, Eanae wrote:
PSO GC/X-box can have nothing done. The game's on a cd. They cant just go out and change it.

They can ban people. That doesn't take a genius. =/

[Eanae]

On 2004-08-22 16:56, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:

On 2004-08-22 16:26, Eanae wrote:
PSO GC/X-box can have nothing done. The game's on a cd. They cant just go out and change it.

They can ban people. That doesn't take a genius. =/



Don't they have a one person a day ban rule? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[PJ]

On 2004-08-22 17:02, Eanae wrote:
Don't they have a one person a day ban rule? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif



I've never heard of that... anyone else know anything?

[Para]

Maybe heres the thing,
PSO BB is not popular enough so making another board would be pointless.

However if PSO BB is popular enough, many people will convert to PSO BB and the general forum will gradually turn into the unofficial pso bb forum.

Of course I still think PSO BB deserves it own forum.

[Link00seven]

Personally I think BB deserves its own forum as well...

...but I'm not in control of that -_-

[Eanae]

However if PSO BB is popular enough, many people will convert to PSO BB and the general forum will gradually turn into the unofficial pso bb forum.


personally, I like BB just the way it is. There's no n00bs to put up with because the japanese scares them off. In return, that means playing with the good pso players, and having fun not having to worry about some damn n00b ruining my game.

[Firocket1690]

oh, what the hell ... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_evil.gif

*looks it up on the network and reinstalls*

>.>;;;

[Eihwaz]

*agrees with everything Ian said*

If there is ever a BB Forum petition, I will be signing it ASAP. The addition of server-side saving/character data, the team system, the government quests, and the new (although currently unreleased) level means that it really deserves a new forum.

And I contemplated what Ian would do if they made a PSO+ forum instead of a BB Forum. Intense violence. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Xaos127]

I think BB isn't that popular because well it is just Ep 1 and 2 on computer with add ons.
But yeah i agree it should get its on forum

[darthsaber9x9]

On 2004-08-23 03:02, Xaos127 wrote:
I think BB isn't that popular because well it is just Ep 1 and 2 on computer with add ons.
But yeah i agree it should get its on forum



did you not read ians post? its what ep 1&2 was to the DC version. PSO+ is what you described.

[PJ]

On 2004-08-22 23:16, Eihwaz wrote:
If there is ever a BB Forum petition, I will be signing it ASAP. The addition of server-side saving/character data, the team system, the government quests, and the new (although currently unreleased) level means that it really deserves a new forum.

The problem with getting it's own forum methinks is that, in the end, it's the same game. Notice how the Episode 1 & 2 Forums is V1, V2 and Episode 1 & 2 forum. They didn't each get their own forum.

V1 to V2 added a whole new difficulty mode, Challenge Mode and Battle Mode. Episode 1 & 2 added a new Episode. As far as Gameplay is concerned, PSOBB is adding a new stage, which is far off from the new additions of the others.

Now, I'm not being dumb, I'm looking into the other additions too.

But I'm wondering: Why would you need to discuss the server side saving? Government Quests? Mag, Quest, Item and Section ID Discussion. Wanna make/join a team? Wouldn't that go into Player Matchup forum, in the section, "Phantasy Star Online."

Now, you can call me an idiot all you want, but please, just making some points u.u

[Sharkyland]

I know what to say, but I don't have a mind to organize it all well. Sure PSOBB is better because it was made later and what Eanae said, PSO for GC and Xbox is on a disc. I mean if it had a hard drive that you could save things too, it would be more like PSOBB.

Though there are times in PSO where I just want to rush to the end because I want to see how I can beat the game as fast I could, but somehow PSOBB doesn't let you do that type of thing. I dunno if completing all the government quests was a good thing to do for each lvl, but I guess that's how they make it. Sure it's better than PSO, it has new features though for long long veterans of PSO, it's not much anything new and having to start from lvl 1 again is another long drive to go (especially when you have once again 10 section ids and you gotta collect them all again).

Well, currently I do have a crappy computer (not upgraded since 1997) since I'm pretty simplistic and happy for what I have, and I hate playing on the computer (which is basically probably one of my points why I may not get PSOBB, yes boo hoo hoo me). So until I can get a new computer, I will get the thing.

It's an improvement from what I can see. Sure you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but it is right to call the old dog a piece of sh-t? It's done it's job and now it's seemingly waiting for it's time to die sadly, and eventually everything will come to that.

[darthsaber9x9]

On 2004-08-23 08:43, SUPAH_CHAO wrote:

On 2004-08-22 23:16, Eihwaz wrote:
If there is ever a BB Forum petition, I will be signing it ASAP. The addition of server-side saving/character data, the team system, the government quests, and the new (although currently unreleased) level means that it really deserves a new forum.

The problem with getting it's own forum methinks is that, in the end, it's the same game. Notice how the Episode 1 & 2 Forums is V1, V2 and Episode 1 & 2 forum. They didn't each get their own forum.

V1 to V2 added a whole new difficulty mode, Challenge Mode and Battle Mode. Episode 1 & 2 added a new Episode. As far as Gameplay is concerned, PSOBB is adding a new stage, which is far off from the new additions of the others.

Now, I'm not being dumb, I'm looking into the other additions too.

But I'm wondering: Why would you need to discuss the server side saving? Government Quests? Mag, Quest, Item and Section ID Discussion. Wanna make/join a team? Wouldn't that go into Player Matchup forum, in the section, "Phantasy Star Online."

Now, you can call me an idiot all you want, but please, just making some points u.u



actually you make some good points HOWEVER. Consider that 2 of the main points you mentioned (specifically c and b mode) have their own forum now anyway.

[PJ]

On 2004-08-23 14:37, darthsaber9x9 wrote:

actually you make some good points HOWEVER. Consider that 2 of the main points you mentioned (specifically c and b mode) have their own forum now anyway.



I probably shuoldn't have mentioned Challenge and Battle, but since they're completely different modes from the normal game... >.>

[Ness]

No matter how you look at it, PSO+ and PSOBB are both examples of ST beating around the bush. I think they should have put PSO to rest after Ep. 1 and 2. That way the series could die with dignity and they could put more into the sequel (which looks promising). They, however, have continued to beat a dead horse by releasing PSO this or PSO that. I don't care if ST cares about us now or if the game has a few new areas, it's still PSO and most people are over looking the fact that its the same game with an add-on or two. ST needs to stop this nonsense and put all their energy twoard a sequel.

[geewj]

Geeze, I think complaining that PSOBB doesn't have it's own fourm deserves it's own forum.

Look, as soon as it has enough different content, the site admin has TIME to create a new fourm, it is discussed who will mod and take care of it and those mod functions are added to that forum, then it will have it's own forum.

Until then just use the topic tags. eRUPT knows that PSOBB exists, and you guys have Arislan who knows pleanty about it and how it differs from the othwer verison. When the time comes for the new fourm then you'll get the new fourm.

[ABDUR101]

On 2004-08-23 21:25, Prof_Frink wrote:
Geeze, I think complaining that PSOBB doesn't have it's own fourm deserves it's own forum.

Look, as soon as it has enough different content, the site admin has TIME to create a new fourm, it is discussed who will mod and take care of it and those mod functions are added to that forum, then it will have it's own forum.

Until then just use the topic tags. eRUPT knows that PSOBB exists, and you guys have Arislan who knows pleanty about it and how it differs from the othwer verison. When the time comes for the new fourm then you'll get the new fourm.


Jesus Christ, look at what all of you did. You annoyed frink enough that his speech is all stroodled.

I hope he comes back in here, see's this quote, and thumps some of your skulls.


But yes, what frink said, twice-over.

[geewj]

On 2004-08-23 21:41, ABDUR101 wrote:

On 2004-08-23 21:25, Prof_Frink wrote:
Geeze, I think complaining that PSOBB doesn't have it's own fourm deserves it's own forum.

Look, as soon as it has enough different content, the site admin has TIME to create a new fourm, it is discussed who will mod and take care of it and those mod functions are added to that forum, then it will have it's own forum.

Until then just use the topic tags. eRUPT knows that PSOBB exists, and you guys have Arislan who knows pleanty about it and how it differs from the othwer verison. When the time comes for the new fourm then you'll get the new fourm.


Jesus Christ, look at what all of you did. You annoyed frink enough that his speech is all stroodled.

I hope he comes back in here, see's this quote, and thumps some of your skulls.


But yes, what frink said, twice-over.


Twice over means twice the typos. You never fail to out-suck me in everything. Everything...

But this is nothing compared to how bad I am in #psow.


Yeah yeah, on topic.

Just so you all know, at the next mods disscussion we'll talk about the BB fourm. Just there is a lot that has to go into it, so cut us some slack.

[navci]

On 2004-08-23 21:41, ABDUR101 wrote:
Jesus Christ, look at what all of you did. You annoyed frink enough that his speech is all stroodled.


He is like that all the time anyway.... >_> <_<

I am understanding Ian's rant though, but well, I guess I really don't have an opinion about it....

I do think if you need to wait till September 2006 for Plus, BB does sound like a more viable options.

[Rainbowlemon]

On 2004-08-23 21:53, Prof_Frink wrote:
at the next mods disscussion we'll talk about the BB fourm.


http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Ahhh....

Well, that's good news, somewhere to put our posts, where they belong http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Nai_Calus]

Before anyone gets bitchy at ME, I just want the general users to stop bitching about BB, and a full set of topic tags. >_>; I don't really care one way or another about a forum. It is signifigantly different, but it's not like, Ep3 different. >_>; Enough to merit notice, but not enough to merit an entire other board here.

[Subliminalgroove]

<bitches about PSO BB>


Seriously... what the hell is the problem...

If they disagree with you, that's fine. Not everyone has to jump on the same damn wagon. Personally, I couldn't give two shits about either of them.

I really don't see the point in complaining about this, Ian.... Calm down.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-08-24 11:49, Subliminalgroove wrote:
<bitches about PSO BB>


Yay, you and half the rest of PSOW.



Seriously... what the hell is the problem...


Problem is that this is a PSO site, and people seem to be for some reason completely against a version of it. Not that there's much in the way of updates currently, but BB updates are even more forgotten than Xbox ones. Plus the general forum ignorance. I mean, is it so hard to read a tag that says 'PSOBB' and then figure 'Hmm, I don't play that version, and what's discussed inside will probably confuse me, how about I DON'T go in and post a retarded comment about never having seen that before'? Is it so much to ask for a full set of topic tags? Or for people to not bash BB when they haven't even played it? >_>;;; I don't sit around bashing DC PSO. I wasn't there, I don't know. And again, there's a ton of wank and excitement over Plus, which many people claim is new enough to get, but then half the time these same people say there isn't enough new in BB to justify it. WTF? That's what the problem is. And incidentally, just what is your problem, for my annoyance at this stuff to piss you off so much? O_o;


If they disagree with you, that's fine. Not everyone has to jump on the same damn wagon. Personally, I couldn't give two shits about either of them.


I never said I was pissed that they disagreed with me, just that I was irked by the attitude. There's a difference between disliking something from having used it and been annoyed by it, and just randomly saying something you haven't tried is shit. No, not everyone has to jump on the same bandwagon, and actually in some ways the general attitude against BB is a GOOD thing, because it keeps the asshats and idiots off. And you don't personally care, which is fine. So why are you even here bitching at me? This is, after all, a rants forum. You come here when you're annoyed by something and want to bitch about it.


I really don't see the point in complaining about this, Ian.... Calm down.


See above. I was irked. I bitched about it. This is a fucking rants forum. I don't know if you noticed.

And actually, I was rather calm(Notice that I used much less swearing than usual in my initial rant). Well, up until people like you started coming in and attacking me for having the gall to rant about something that rightly pisses me off in a RANTS forum. I mean, what the hell. You're usually more intelligent than this, I expect better from you. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[EJ]

I agree with Ian on this one. That too many people think BB is the same as the ones for cube/Xbox which it isn't. BB has the team function which allows you to talk to your team mate anywhere. It is alot more challenging than pso cube/xbox. When I hit lvl 50ish on cube and unlock hard it was a breeze both online and offline but when I was in normal on BB my lvl 50ish Fomar took a beating from Olga on normal http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif . So BB is much more difficult than others and we can't forget about the new level with new enemies also.


Everyone online for the cube keeps saying that they want new quest and new enemies and we finally get a new version of the game for pc and everyone treat it like shit and doesn't give it a chance.


That's all from me now.



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[Subliminalgroove]

Thanks for making me laugh, Ian. I needed that. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

First off, I was not pissed. I just think that getting as annoyed as you got over this is just a waste of time. Take a deep breath and let it go. You might find it may calm you down when you get riled up over such trivial things. And your panties were in a wad over this in your original post, you were not calm.

I am sorry if my colorful language has given you the impression that I am bitching at you. I am not.

And finally: I know this is a rants forum. I just find it sad that such trivial things make someone who is otherwise nice to fly off the handle. That is my purpose in telling you to calm down. If people are going to be more interested in Plus... so be it, its not the end of the freakin world.

And honey... I expected better of you as well. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[PJ]

On 2004-08-24 15:44, Ian-KunX wrote:

On 2004-08-24 11:49, Subliminalgroove wrote:
<bitches about PSO BB>


Yay, you and half the rest of PSOW.

Might I request you link me to just ONE topic where someone bitches about PSOBB, except this one? I haven't seen even a hint of anything against PSOBB except Butoden (sp?) complaining about the image files. And that's not even a complaint towards the game!


On 2004-08-24 16:08, ForceEJ wrote:
when I was in normal on BB my lvl 50ish Fomar took a beating from Olga on normal http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif So BB is much more difficult than others and we can't forget about the new level with new enemies also.

When was it ever different on the GC PSO? I remember quite well how powerful Normal Mode Olga Flow can be, and that's for offline mode. I assume these are all set to the online stats of enemies.

And as I said before, the other updated versions all shared the same forum, with a much bigger update than one stage and some new enemies http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Everyone online for the cube keeps saying that they want new quest and new enemies and we finally get a new version of the game for pc and everyone treat it like shit and doesn't give it a chance.

Again, show me a link to something that proves that.

[Ness]

I'm sorry Ian, but I have to side with Subby on this one. It's all just a bunch of shit ST is releasing to suck all the money they could out of something that should have ended after Ep. 1 and 2. Instead of adding on to an old series and beating a dead horse, they should put more energy into working on PSU, which is an entirely different game.

[ABDUR101]

On 2004-08-24 17:51, Ness wrote:
I'm sorry Ian, but I have to side with Subby on this one. It's all just a bunch of shit ST is releasing to suck all the money they could out of something that should have ended after Ep. 1 and 2. Instead of adding on to an old series and beating a dead horse, they should put more energy into working on PSU, which is an entirely different game.


Are you a fucking record player or something? You said that three times already in this thread, and Subliminal makes no mention of that in her post.

And from what Ian says, PSOBB is more worthwhile than PSO+, which most people seem to be flocking to, when they should be flocking to PSOBB for such good changes to the game that everyone has complained about since the Version 1 release on DC.

Guess it all comes down to people just not taking the time to get through the menus/sign-up, or computer hardware issues(which if you're an avid computer gamer, should'nt be a problem for most).

Oh well, who cares, like Ian said, atleast everyone will have some freedom from a lot of annoying players who are put-off by the non-english menus and all that.

[Ness]

On 2004-08-24 18:14, ABDUR101 wrote:

Are you a fucking record player or something? You said that three times already in this thread, and Subliminal makes no mention of that in her post.


She said that she didn't care about either version and that's pretty much how I feel.

[Outrider]

On 2004-08-24 18:14, ABDUR101 wrote:
Guess it all comes down to people just not taking the time to get through the menus/sign-up, or computer hardware issues(which if you're an avid computer gamer, should'nt be a problem for most).



Just want to chime in saying that there are far more people who would have the hardware to play a new console release of the game rather than a PC release of the game. Then again, the game runs fine on my computer, and I have integrated graphics so...

All I'm saying is I don't see why anyone is even surprised that more people are interested in the GC/X-Box versions of the game as compared to PC version.

[ABDUR101]

Yeah, more people will be drawn to consoles, as most of the players here are from a console version of the game, but then all of these members are on a computer, and most likely have a capable machine to play it on.(Not counting anyone who is only allowed on the comp for brief times, or uses a public comp, of course)

But as you said, the game even runs on integrated graphics. It just comes down to everyone being used to playing on the console with a controller and all that.

Doesn't really matter in the end, everyone sticks to what they know, and for most people getting into PSOBB is more than they want to get into. Could be a good thing though, right?

[SLON]

My girlfriend will never let me play online games on her computer, so I am stuck on consoles (and I do not have any desire to buy my own PC). PSOBB sounds great, but I doubt I will ever play it. I can't see why people would want to critisize it though - you pay your money and you take your choice, like everything else in life.

[shingo]

you no what you guys can make a forum about blue burst by making a new internet page and then you guys can all talk on that instead and you guys can make link here if they let pettioning psow. also, when psu comes out it probally have everything from every pso game mad hence the universe in title and guys the petiton wont work because honstly how many of you on this forum play blueburst anyway





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[Eanae]

Alot more then you think. And jesus crist i have a headache now after reading that. If you're gonna try and insult us, don;t degrade yourself by typeing like a 2 year old.

[BogusKun]

On 2004-08-22 12:44, Ness wrote:
I'm done with PSO. I'll come back to PSO when an actual sequel has been made. In my opinion, PSO ver. 1 on Dreamcast will always be the best PSO out there because then it was new, fresh, exciting, and free. All of this new stuff (PSO BB, PSO Ep. 3, and PSO Plus) is just Sonic Team beating around the bush.


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How about this... I'll come back when Ness comes back...

The beating around the bush reminds me of all the Street Fighter 2s...

SF2... Street Fighter Dash... Super Street Fighter 2... Super Street FIghter 2 Dash...

[Ness]

On 2004-08-28 16:38, BogusKun wrote:

How about this... I'll come back when Ness comes back...

The beating around the bush reminds me of all the Street Fighter 2s...

SF2... Street Fighter Dash... Super Street Fighter 2... Super Street FIghter 2 Dash...



Finally someone achknowledges me.

Another example of this would be Everquest. They have made several expansions for that game, but not an actual sequel. I would get bored with playing the same game with added features over again.

[Para]

Lack of support for PSO BB is noted.

Even atleast PSO EDY MAXIMUM ATTACK CUP should deserve some type of news on the front page with the prizes and stuff.

As for console vs computer
for a few hundred bucks for a console, you can upgrade your computer (considering you have a decent base but not decent enough to play PSO BB) you could get a new "old" gen graphics card that could support PSO BB and many other games that come out on the PC. You could get a gamepad for the PC. Heck you dont have to go through all that trouble to buy the game, get a BBA and get keyboard. You have to admit its alot easier to talk on PSO BB than any other PSO ever released.

[PJ]

On 2004-08-29 10:15, Nites wrote:
Even atleast PSO EDY MAXIMUM ATTACK CUP should deserve some type of news on the front page with the prizes and stuff.

Notice it hasn't been updated at all much, so it's probably not they don't want to show the Edy Cup stuff, just haven't.


You have to admit its alot easier to talk on PSO BB than any other PSO ever released.


Now, I may not have used it at all, but...

XBox Live Voice Chat? *cough*

[Para]

err you can setup an external program like ventrilo and run pso bb at the same time http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

besides PSO BB was mentioned to have voice chat in development for it.

[Nai_Calus]

And there are those of us who would REALLY prefer not to talk, or to have to listen to other fucking lameass idiots whine and scream. Your computer already has a keyboard(If not, how the FUCK do you do anything?). You don't need a special adapter that may or may not be a piece of shit, depending on the price, etc. You can set up viable keyboard controls that give you nearly the same speed and functionality as a controller. Just hit space and start typing if you need to. No huge controller with tiny keys, no crappy powerboard with shitty adapter, no messing around with plugging and unplugging keyboards, just plain old your normal keyboard. >_>;

So yeah, it's a lot easier to talk on BB. O_o;

[Para]

and remember the hotkeys http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
gotta love the hotkeys

[Nai_Calus]

On 2004-08-29 18:56, Nites wrote:
and remember the hotkeys http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
gotta love the hotkeys



I will never have to dig through my Y menu looking for Shifta, Deband, Anti, Moons, Antiparalysis, Sols, etc ever again. *tears of joy*

[PJ]

On 2004-08-30 01:24, Ian-KunX wrote:

On 2004-08-29 18:56, Nites wrote:
and remember the hotkeys http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
gotta love the hotkeys



I will never have to dig through my Y menu looking for Shifta, Deband, Anti, Moons, Antiparalysis, Sols, etc ever again. *tears of joy*



Although the hot keys I'm sure will be very nice to try (I plan to! @_@), it was never really hard to get something from the Y Menu anyways http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif (Although I mostly use my Y Menu for S/D/J/Z and Ryuker anyways @_@)

[Nai_Calus]

Well, no, it's not hard, but it takes a second or so in which you or someone else can die. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif As opposed to just reaching up and hitting 9 or something. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[BogusKun]

On 2004-08-28 18:32, Ness wrote:

On 2004-08-28 16:38, BogusKun wrote:

How about this... I'll come back when Ness comes back...

The beating around the bush reminds me of all the Street Fighter 2s...

SF2... Street Fighter Dash... Super Street Fighter 2... Super Street FIghter 2 Dash...



Finally someone achknowledges me.

Another example of this would be Everquest. They have made several expansions for that game, but not an actual sequel. I would get bored with playing the same game with added features over again.



Believe me... FF11 will be the same way every year... As for the upcoming PSU... let's hope they have something to make us buy it, like a definate storyline.

[haruna]

I had fun with PSOBB but shoot, I was expecting more.
Yeah, I originally thought that voice chat would make PSO suck but after trying it, my tendonitis afflicted wrists won't go without it.
Offering some support for voice communication would be nice.

Why the ancient, DC guild card system? With Xbox, I can immidiately tell who is online and who isn't. I like it that way.

And bloody hell, why aren't there more appearance options? I was hoping there would be. It's not like GC or DC where you'd have to worry about people on the "old version" not being able to see anything.

I do like the government quests being the means to open up new areas. PSOBB has a lot of convenient little updates like seeing what games you can and cannot enter, possible new rare items, hopefully the rare enemy appearance rate has been upped(hell, if they do special "extra experience days" or "10x rare drop rate days" like other games, hmm!)

You can play all the old offline quests in "single player mode."

Also, the free download won't last forever. You'll have to start paying to DL eventually but you do get a 30 day free trial.

[Para]

increased drop rate might make PSO too easy.

considering many other games, PSO spawns more monsters closer that reach you faster compared to other games where you got to look for them

[Jack]

Maybe people don't care because it's essentially the same game that's been out for the past four years.