forces at LVL. 1

[tsukishonin]

http://www.planetps2.com/pe2/forum/philboard_read.asp?id=160
forces at lvl. 1 can be found here

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Give some insight, I'm too lazy to make sense of all those numbers =3.

[Javier_Von_Fenrir]

It seems like the FOmar would have the most strength, and would also have less MST than the FOmarl. Pretty much what most people speculated.

[Defend]

One thing to point out, they've done these shots with mags equipped. Either the mag starts at level 0, or they've forgotten the base stats it adds.

Newearl DFP
One thing that slightly stands out.. the FOnewearl, like the HUnewearl, has the most DFP of her class. I just checked the original manual.. it does say the FOnewearl has more DFP than the newm (unlike in v2, where he had godly DFP for a FO - 2nd highest non-droid). So like somebody mentioned before, perhaps ST are trying to follow their original plans, and put more DFP on the females, or perhaps just for females Newmen. The four RAngers level 1 stats will make this clearer.
Of course we need to see some levels, but it would be a bit pointless for a character to out-stat another, only to be out-grown by level 10... so I think perhaps the newearls will be DFP queens.
At the mo it doesn't make sense too much.. more DFP than her male counterpart isn't what we're used to. More than the HUMAN male is even worse. The HUnewearl having more than even the droids.. that's just gonna change I guess.

OK off that.

Human FO
FOmar and FOmarl are dead on the same at level 1. That's what I like to see, things making sense.

Level 2 growth:
FOmar <-> FOmarl
ATP +4 <-> +3
DFP +1 <-> +1
MST +4 <-> +5
ATA +1 <-> +1
EVP +5 <-> +5
Like someone said.. the expected turnout. ATA and EVP should slightly bump up for FOmarl as well. FOmar would have a little more HP (dammit Ah King show HP!). As for FOmarl vs FOmar DFP, Ep2-wise.. *shrug*

Newman FO - and Newmen DFP/MST
Newm has more ATP
Same ATA
Newearl has more EVP
That's about what to expect in those areas. ATA should favour the newearl.
HOWEVER, there's that DFP.. and MST is different too.
The Newm has more MST. The Newearl has more DFP. Both unlike v2.

So this makes me think, Ep2 WILL go for the original v1 outline. FOnewm WILL be MST King again, and FOnewearl will be the DFP queen. ie, MST and DFP flipped around from what we're used to.
(Damn, and I wanted FOnewm for his DFP. FOnewearl are bleh imo.)


*Again asks someone in the Trial to just go into BA and grab some level 1, 6, 11, and 16 stats off each class.*
3 screenshots a day is blehhh.. =x.X=




What v2 lays out:

Male = more ATP, DFP & HP
Female = more ATA, EVP, & MST/TP
Possible MST and DFP will be flipped for Ep2.

Human = more ATP, ATA & HP
Newman = more EVP & MST/TP
Droid = more ATP, DFP, ATA, EVP, HP, no MST
I can't remember if Human or Newman had more DFP. FOmarl vs FOnewearl.. anyone know?

HU = more ATP, EVP
RA = more ATA, HP (HP barely)
FO = more MST/TP
DFP was mixed in this case. RAcast beat HUcast, but HUmar beat RAmar. Hmm RAmar should've had that DFP methinks.






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[BrokenHope]

I've posted the pics for lazy people http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

http://www.planetps2.com/pe2/pso/temp/fonew.jpg
http://www.planetps2.com/pe2/pso/temp/fomar.jpg
http://www.planetps2.com/pe2/pso/temp/folv2.jpg

[Cube12]

I think Newearls are like Elves, right?(ya know....from Lord of the Rings, D&D)
If so, why isn't there a Ranger Newearl?
Elves are supposed to be excallent marksmen

[HC82]

Techincally they could make every race for every class.

Newmans are actually supposed to be catlike not elf like. Those are supposed to be feline like ears, but they seem more like elf ears.

[rena-ko]

hm, don't do cats have more rounder types of ears? for me, the newearls seem more like the 'record of lodoss war'-elfes...



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[Malkavian]

Newman aren't elves. And in the PSO world they are the magic people, unable to be rangers. Like Casts are unable to be FOrces

[tsukishonin]

On 2002-06-27 02:42, Defend wrote:
One thing to point out, they've done these shots with mags equipped. Either the mag starts at level 0, or they've forgotten the base stats it adds.


The chararacters base stats are the stats to the right in parenthesis

[Rubesahl]

Well, the Hunter Class could certainly have HUmarl, but I think they won't add it in this PSO since Red Ring Rico is a HUmarl. Though at the same time I don't see why they can't make her. Certainly HUnewm wouldn't fall in this class... Though there's HUnewearl so I don't doubt the possibility either. But as for FOcast and FOcaseal.... I find it hard to happen... Unless they're half android half... living? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif Otherwise, I think it'll be pretty cool to be a FOmar, I already know what costume I want >_< Also, the Newmen DO have ears like the one in Recors of Lodoss Wars. They're like super long and don't go upwards, more to the sides http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif I think these stat changes are pretty much what we all thought it would be.

[Malkavian]

On 2002-06-27 08:05, tsukishonin wrote:

On 2002-06-27 02:42, Defend wrote:
One thing to point out, they've done these shots with mags equipped. Either the mag starts at level 0, or they've forgotten the base stats it adds.



The chararacters base stats are the stats to the right in parenthesis


The mag raise counts inside the parenthesis not out http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[TeamPhalanx]

I doubt the guys will have more MST than the ladies. FOnewearl is supposed to have more DFP, but less HP than FOnewm.

Newman should not have more DFP than Human. They're supposed to be magic users and somewhat weak physically.

HUmarl would be too damn good. For starters, her ATA would rival the androids' (enough to use RED MECHGUN) and she'll have access to more techs while only sacrificing bit of ATP.

If ST is going back to the original plan, HUcast will once again have the highest HP.

[Defend]

Thank you Malk hehe

Look at the Newm in v2 Phalanx.. his DFP beats FOmarl, RAmar, and almost HUmar.

I think only the Newms will have more MST than their species female.. for the Human males it would be as we'd expect. I reckon.

I guess we're waiting on HP values to see what's what with the DFP. What's the point of good DFP if your HP is low?

Ah good point about the HUcast. (Damn). Not that it mattered anyway, HUcast has highest HP until level 162.. far beyond anything that can kill him.

[TeamPhalanx]

This is just too weird... All of a sudden to go from a class with pathetic DFP to possibly one of the best DFP. Of course this is moot, since DFP doesn't matter that much... That is, unless using armors/shields now depends on DFP and not level.

[Cloak]

But that's how things were originally supposed to be. To me, v2 was a big screw up because it was a sad attempt at balancing things. While at the same time HUnewearl, RAmar, and FOnewearl got screwed in most places. They gave droids superior stats in everything but MST to balance the absence of techs. Made FOnewearl best MST user, etc like that. Now it seems they are "fixing things." In the PSO guide, (not one that came with game), HUmar was described as having "inferior stats" to HUnewearl except ATP/ATA. While they said "these hotties have the best evasion and defense in the game. But their attack power is quite low.", when speaking of HUnes. Now that droids are no longer the only non-tech users (to certain techs), it makes sense to have things like they were intended to be in V1 since androids aren't severely disadvantaged.

One thing I think they should change IMO is RAmar/ls tech usage. I'd think it would only make sense to give newmans full support access. Not humans as well since there'd be no diff between a human/newman. They'd probly change this in PSO 2 or v3 whatever since if they added HUmarl she'd be no diff than a hune, but changing tech usage would make there be a difference.