What the hell George Lucas????

[Allos]

Ok, so last weekend I bought the Star Wars trilogy on DVD (the special edition version). Some of you may think low of me for buying this version, but I believe that for the most part it makes the movie better. There are two exceptions for me to this rule:

1.The scene in which Jabba the Hutt and Han Solo talk outside of the Falcon in Episode IV. I think that Jabba doesn't look believable in this scene and to me it's unnecessary.

2.I just discovered this one. At the end of Return of the Jedi, Luke sees the spirit forms of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin.........except someone had the bright idea of putting Hayden What's-his-name in place of the original Anakin!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif It doesn't even feel right!

So I say to you George Lucas, what the hell??

[Deathscythealpha]

When i saw the Hayden kid at the end of 'Jedi' instead of the original actor i yelled at the screen 'George Lucus you can suck my cock!' (ask one of my flatmates for proof). I was angry.

If the film was hailed as a masterpiece (gross exageration) years ago, stop messing about with it! Your adding of lame computer graphics and winging Jr Jedi is just ruining the series, just stop now and actually make a new film that has nothing to do with Star Wars.

[dude3282]

Wait, so they kept the Alec Guiness old Obi-wan but put in Hayden Christiansen for Anakin? I'll agree with you there, that's stupid. I haven't seen all the flicks yet, just most of the special features disc. I guess they just felt like they needed to add something to the big finale. You know, all that technology has to applied to something, if you had the state-of-the-art tools lying around maybe you'd start using them where maybe it wasn't necessary. Or maybe their reasoning was that he was the Jedi "Anakin" as Christiansen and the older guy was more representative of Darth. I'm not sure who the actor was, I know there were three guys who did Vader: one for the physical acting, one for the voice, and one that just did the breathing, IIRC. In any case, not a smart move on Lucasfilm's part, in a scene that carries that much importance in a film of Star Wars' magnitude, he should be more careful.



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[Allos]

I was about to destroy my disc. Seriously.

[HotWaterDeath]

That is pretty wacked-out that they did that with the DVD set. But its a good thing you chaps warned me about it. That'd be a wasted forty-bucks on my part.

[VioletSkye]

I bought the DVD trilogy also.....thank god I also own the original VHS trilogy (without the cgi additions.) In Jedi, the ending where it showed the different areas celebrating was tolerable but I agree that replacing anakin with Hayden totally ruined it for me http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[TheOneHero]

On 2004-10-01 17:26, dude3282 wrote:
I know there were three guys who did Vader: one for the physical acting, one for the voice, and one that just did the breathing, IIRC.



I think vocie was done by James Earl Jones. :/

Anyway back on topic. So is so stupid that george lucas did that. That actor that was replaced should have been kept there. He had earned it, and he was there first. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Now I know not to go buy it. :/ Luckily though We own that origanal VHS ones and specil edition. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

He needs to stop with the frickin' corny actoring and cheesy lines. "I have a bad feeling about this!"

Edit* Thanks bluehawk! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

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[Blue-Hawk]

No, the voice of Vader was done by James Earl Jones, not the breathing.

[Arislan]

The cheesy lines are really more prevalent in the newer films. While the older films had their share, the movies also felt like "Space Operas", a la Flash Gordon, where a bit of cheese is expected with the action. Meanwhile, the newer films are designed to be full on Sci Fi flicks about Jedi. The chessiness just doesn't fit.

My biggest gripes with the new DVD versions are twofold. One, the forementioned Hayden Christensen change. Stupid. The rationalization was that since Anakin ceased being when he became Vader, Hayden's version would be the glowy, since that's the last time Anakin was around. Bullshit. Vader was redeemed at the end of Jedi, that was the entire point of the second trilogy, the redemtion of Anakin. When redeemed, boom, he's light side again, and subject to becoming a glowy, as opposed to exploding in a mass of dark side energy. So his glowy should have been him old, minus the cybernetics (since the force knows what he should be like, and cybernetics aren't part of that). Just no need for it.

Second gripe was Chewie. They added in about triple the "lines" for the guy. Annoying to say the least, and then you have to remember that every growl and roar is actually something he's saying, it's his language. One of my friends jokingly came up with the thought that now Chewie is Precsient, and is foretelling everything that's going to happen. Öh Han, Vader's in that room, don't open the... Oh hell, you popened the door, now he's going to absorb your blaster bol... Yep, there he goes..." Only thing that fit, really.

[Shigecki]

Greedo does not shoot first, Han just kills him to get away. Dumbest part of the new stuff edited into the "re-makes." http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[Allos]

The funny thing is that the general public wouldn't notice these things.....we're such nerds....

[Hrith]

Thanks for letting us know, Allos, now I won't buy that DVD Trilogy, I'll keep the VHS one with cgi enhancements http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Armok]

I hate the annoying Cgi dancing female thing at the start of the CGI 'Enhanced' RotJ.

[Mystil]

Thank you.

I'm not buying the DVD set now.

[Allos]

Just buy the DVD set with the gold cover and you don't have to worry about any of it.

[TheOneHero]

On 2004-10-01 21:14, Blue-Hawk wrote:
No, the voice of Vader was done by James Earl Jones, not the breathing.



Gah! That's what I meant. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif
*Runs to edit*

[Outrider]

Ok, but there's one good thing they changed:

Remember when in the Special Edition Lucas screwed up the end of Empire Strikes Back by making Luke scream while he's falling down the shaft in Cloud City? Y'know, the one that essentially makes the entire scene pointless, because Luke obviously jumps off willingly, so why would he be screaming "NOO!!!!" while he's falling?

Yeah, they took that out. So one mistake has been fixed, thankfully.

[Aredhel]

They're such great movies (not 'films', mind you) I think they'd be kinda hard to truly 'ruin'. I wish I could consciously spare $40 on something, then I'd buy the DVD trilogy, but I'm just not at that point right now http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Oh, and the Special Edition scene with Jabba in episode 4? Yeah, it looks like it was made in MS Paint...



95' edition http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Oh well - still great movies nonetheless. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Outrider]

All I'm saying is that when they show young Anakin as a ghost, Admiral Ackbar should burst onto the scene and scream "IT'S A TRAP!!!" and then the movie should cut to credits.

[Axispoint]

On 2004-10-02 13:18, Allos wrote:
Just buy the DVD set with the gold cover and you don't have to worry about any of it.



Just curious how that makes a difference? On Amazon, the gold one is listed as the fullscreen one and seems to be the same as the silver one, except having fullscreen instead of widescreen. I have been considering buying the set, and therefore was curious about what you meant http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[darthsaber9x9]

i think you are pretty sad if you let a couple of minor differences spoil your purchase. unless you have an older version, which is undertsandable/can easily geta better version

[TheOneHero]

On 2004-10-03 10:14, Outrider wrote:
All I'm saying is that when they show young Anakin as a ghost, Admiral Ackbar should burst onto the scene and scream "IT'S A TRAP!!!" and then the movie should cut to credits.



http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I personally would like that ending better. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Allos]

On 2004-10-03 13:00, Axispoint wrote:


On 2004-10-02 13:18, Allos wrote:
Just buy the DVD set with the gold cover and you don't have to worry about any of it.



Just curious how that makes a difference? On Amazon, the gold one is listed as the fullscreen one and seems to be the same as the silver one, except having fullscreen instead of widescreen. I have been considering buying the set, and therefore was curious about what you meant http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



My friend told me it was the original version........

I dunno....

[Aredhel]

oops - your friend was mistaken http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Gold = fullscreen
Silver = Widescreen

Wish they'd come out with original version... as is, both gold and silver editions are 'special edition' which means they added a bunch of new stuff and cgi. Some people think they ruined things that way, but I'm personally not bothered by it...

after all, IT'S ONLY A MOVIE. IT'S NOT REAL.

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[DarthFomar]

I think what Lucas was trying to do, in replacing the original Anakin spirit with Hayden's, was to restore Anakin's purity.

Darth Vader was unpure, to some extent. But Anakin as Obi-Wan's apprentice was pure, though forces beyond his control turned him to the Dark Side along with the actions of Chancellor Palpatine. Anakin wasn't really himself as "Darth Vader". Even as Anakin died his foul ways were still apart of him, apart of "Darth Vader", his unpure form. Vader wasn't the "real" Anakin, he was the mutilated form of what Anakin used to be. Vader's body was mangled and ravaged from battle and also from training under Emperor Palpatine.

Though the original actor's spirit wasn't ravaged either, I think Lucas probably wanted this from the start. He wanted to have another younger actor take the place of the older Anakin as "Anakin'a Spirit", because he probably wanted Anakin's last pure "Jedi" form. But, he couldn't just throw in some younger actor, that had never been in any of the previous movies, to replace Anakin's spirit. It wouldn't have been a wise choice. Thus, back then he had to resort to using the older Vader/Anakin.

So, you can actually look at this two ways. It was an understandable approach, or an utter mistake. Although it would've been a lot more reasonable if Lucas hadn't done the switch, seeing as Obi-Wan died at an old age and so did Anakin. But, it's his vision, so not really our place to order him around. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

It doesn't really matter to me either way, even though I am a huge fan of Star Wars.


This is related to the movies, though if a little off-topic: Some people tend to think that when a jedi completely turns to the "Dark Side" their eyes become yellowish. That is illogical, Darth Maul's eyes may have been a fraction of yellow but that was due to his type of species. And the Emperor's yellow pigment was due to his immense power that was eating away at his very soul. Thus his eyes were deteriorating, and his body weakening. Only his will of the dark side remained true in the end. So that whole ideal of the sith developing yellow pigments when they've "truely" become evil is a flop.



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[Rainbowlemon]

On 2004-10-03 13:26, darthsaber9x9 wrote:
i think you are pretty sad if you let a couple of minor differences spoil your purchase. unless you have an older version, which is undertsandable/can easily geta better version



For some people, like me, the little changes spoil the whole concept of the film. This is a film that I have known and loved since I was a child, so why on earth would I want some kid in place of the true vader's apparition? That's why I'm sticking to my VHS version, it has all the good qualities of the original, but with the enhanced graphics and a few scene touch-ups, which is by far good enough for me http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Outrider]

On 2004-10-07 22:00, DarthFomar wrote:
I think what Lucas was trying to do, in replacing the original Anakin spirit with Hayden's, was to restore Anakin's purity.

Darth Vader was unpure, to some extent. But Anakin as Obi-Wan's apprentice was pure, though forces beyond his control turned him to the Dark Side along with the actions of Chancellor Palpatine. Anakin wasn't really himself as "Darth Vader". Even as Anakin died his foul ways were still apart of him, apart of "Darth Vader", his unpure form. Vader wasn't the "real" Anakin, he was the mutilated form of what Anakin used to be. Vader's body was mangled and ravaged from battle and also from training under Emperor Palpatine.

No, you missed the entire point of that scene. The whole point was that finally, at the very end, Darth Vader redeemed himself and returned to the light side. Therefore, the ghost of him at his current age, albeit not deteriorated, is what appears. Now, as a young boy, Anakin may not have been tempted by the dark side, but what we see in this scene in Jedi is Anakin near the end of the Clone Wars. Anakin is in no way pure by that point. He's already strayed far into the dark side by the time we get to the end of Episode II, so this Anakin is definitely dark. Putting in Hayden completely changes the meaning of the scene, and causes it to make no sense whatsoever.



This is related to the movies, though if a little off-topic: Some people tend to think that when a jedi completely turns to the "Dark Side" their eyes become yellowish. That is illogical, Darth Maul's eyes may have been a fraction of yellow but that was due to his type of species. And the Emperor's yellow pigment was due to his immense power that was eating away at his very soul. Thus his eyes were deteriorating, and his body weakening. Only his will of the dark side remained true in the end. So that whole ideal of the sith developing yellow pigments when they've "truely" become evil is a flop.



You just contradicted yourself. The dark side deteriorates your body the more you give into it. Therefore, your eyes are going to be discolored. We've always seen this when a jedi has been physically deformed by the power of the dark side.

[Scejntjynahl]

One more thing they changed, pay attention to the music from the vhs, and compare it to the new DVD, youll see that some is missing... (the good ones of course) *sigh*.

Lucas has his head up his ass so far in he burps shit. This sucks.

[DarthFomar]

On 2004-10-08 08:21, Outrider wrote:


On 2004-10-07 22:00, DarthFomar wrote:
I think what Lucas was trying to do, in replacing the original Anakin spirit with Hayden's, was to restore Anakin's purity.

Darth Vader was unpure, to some extent. But Anakin as Obi-Wan's apprentice was pure, though forces beyond his control turned him to the Dark Side along with the actions of Chancellor Palpatine. Anakin wasn't really himself as "Darth Vader". Even as Anakin died his foul ways were still apart of him, apart of "Darth Vader", his unpure form. Vader wasn't the "real" Anakin, he was the mutilated form of what Anakin used to be. Vader's body was mangled and ravaged from battle and also from training under Emperor Palpatine.

No, you missed the entire point of that scene. The whole point was that finally, at the very end, Darth Vader redeemed himself and returned to the light side. Therefore, the ghost of him at his current age, albeit not deteriorated, is what appears. Now, as a young boy, Anakin may not have been tempted by the dark side, but what we see in this scene in Jedi is Anakin near the end of the Clone Wars. Anakin is in no way pure by that point. He's already strayed far into the dark side by the time we get to the end of Episode II, so this Anakin is definitely dark. Putting in Hayden completely changes the meaning of the scene, and causes it to make no sense whatsoever.

http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

So the spirit is the Episode III Anakin with longer hair? Or were you refering to, at the end of "Attack of the Clones"?

If it's the longer haired version then, what was Lucas doing? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


On 2004-10-08 08:21, Outrider wrote:


On 2004-10-07 22:00, DarthFomar wrote:
This is related to the movies, though if a little off-topic: Some people tend to think that when a jedi completely turns to the "Dark Side" their eyes become yellowish. That is illogical, Darth Maul's eyes may have been a fraction of yellow but that was due to his type of species. And the Emperor's yellow pigment was due to his immense power that was eating away at his very soul. Thus his eyes were deteriorating, and his body weakening. Only his will of the dark side remained true in the end. So that whole ideal of the sith developing yellow pigments when they've "truely" become evil is a flop.



You just contradicted yourself. The dark side deteriorates your body the more you give into it. Therefore, your eyes are going to be discolored. We've always seen this when a jedi has been physically deformed by the power of the dark side.


No, the Emperor's power slowly ate away at him. It did not happen in an intant. His eyes did not deteriorate and loose/gain pigment in a matter of years. It took decades for his power to corrupt his mortal frame and distort the color of his eyes. Some people think that when a sith becomes "pure evil" and have truely turned that they almost instantaniously gain their altered appearances or parts of it. That is not true in the least.

And who's to say that all truely powerful sith will have "yellow eyes" when their power has eaten away at them over the decades. Palpatine had blue eyes, maybe someone with black eyes would get green eyes? But they will not always obtain yellow pigments, that is obsurd. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

This is what I was trying to say, if I got confusing. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



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[Outrider]

On 2004-10-08 12:09, DarthFomar wrote:
http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

So the spirit is the Episode III Anakin with longer hair? Or were you refering to, at the end of "Attack of the Clones"?

If it's the longer haired version then, what was Lucas doing? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



It was indeed Anakin with longer hair.



No, the Emperor's power slowly ate away at him. It did not happen in an intant. His eyes did not deteriorate and loose/gain pigment in a matter of years. It took decades for his power to corrupt his mortal frame and distort the color of his eyes. Some people think that when a sith becomes "pure evil" and have truely turned that they almost instantaniously gain their altered appearances or parts of it. That is not true in the least.

And who's to say that all truely powerful sith will have "yellow eyes" when their power has eaten away at them over the decades. Palpatine had blue eyes, maybe someone with black eyes would get green eyes? But they will not always obtain yellow pigments, that is obsurd. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



No. Just no. The dark side corrupts. We know this for a fact. In many cases, if a body gives into it too much, their physical form will begin to corrupt as well. There are few instances in movie canon, but dozens in EU. Yellow eyes show a deterioration, or perhaps some sort of sickness. There's no reason why there would be different colors for different people. That's just illogical. And I never said it happened instantly. That, too, would make no sense.

[Arislan]

Huh? not pure, so therefore, the young Anakin should be what the glowy is?

Crap, guess when Luke dies, he'll be looking like his Jedi form, since he fell to the dark side in the Black Fleet Crisis series. Never mind that he's pure light side again at the current point of EU.

[BogusKun]

Star Wars is a bit crappy now... Sorry to say. New version sucks, too many bad games gave it a bad rep. And episodes 4-6 (old versions) have like 25 different versions of that one movie.

Burn Star Wars and if you can throw Lucas in the bonfire, please do so.

[Verdandi]

I keep hearing George Lucas had this vision and made it into Star Wars. He must have had a distorted vision, he keeps having it changed from the original, either that or he wants more money.

Resist the Dark Side Lucas.