Legit vs Non-Legit

[Luis]

Here is why i dont become a Non legit player, every time i play with a Non Legit person, or he is the biggest newbie ever or, he just played 2 days pso (1 day getting the stuff and the level on their gameshark), or what, i mean i saw today this biggest as$%ole who was speaking about his pwand, and the poor dummy didnt know about the towers or the seabed, i mean what person who have or had a legit pwand doesnt know about the seabed, or a tj sword user that didnt know that dark falz takes your soul and if you hit him you take the damage.

Getting to the point, no matter what item you got, or what level you are there is no freaking way that a Non legit player, plays equal or better than a true Legit player dedicated to get the best item and beat the harder quest on PSO

P.D: Also most Non Legit or Hackers players, get bored quick of this game, and thats why they wont learn the true gameplay of pso.

Are you with me?

[Legato2471]

Nope, I use to be legit, I still play a bit, but mostly talk in lobbies. There are always gonna be s00per n00bs for games who cheat. I played the game right, and now I do it, my way. ^.^

~DiZ/Revan

[Luis]

i have to see you online i guess because everyone else i played with (i mean non legit) they simply dont reach our gameplay level

[ForceOfBrokenGlass]

This topic is a red flag. Don't be suprised if another flame war breaks out.

[Legato2471]

Yeah, and I are on last warning. ^.^ Umm, no flame war please.

~DiZ/Revan

[Luis]

On 2005-03-13 18:15, Legato2471 wrote:
Nope, I use to be legit, I still play a bit, but mostly talk in lobbies. There are always gonna be s00per n00bs for games who cheat. I played the game right, and now I do it, my way. ^.^

~DiZ/Revan



You see, you used to be legit thats why you are diferent to another cheaters that never went legit, if i became a Non Legit, i got my legit skills + all the items that i want, thats your diference between other players Non Legits

[TrekkiesUnite]

The other thing that annoys me is if you have a legit weapon that is really good the hackers than accuse you of cheating becuase you are doing a lot of damage like them. For example I was using my legit 100% dark and machine Lavis cannon thats charge shot deals around 800 damage and 1120 critical hit in ult and they were accusing me of cheating becuase it was doing close to the 1900 damage thier hacked Yasminsikov 9000 was doing. But then theirs always the good laugh when falz grants them and they die and you get the final blow.

[Luis]

thats what i mean good that you are with me

[Giezus]

I figure I'd give you my opinion on the subject at hand. So, lets get started...


every time i play with a Non Legit person, or he is the biggest newbie ever or, he just played 2 days pso


Well then you dont seem to get around. I've met many non-legit people online (PSOX) and alot of them know alot about the game. Hell, every now and then I'll meet someone who knows more than me (and I've been playing since it came out on Xbox).


no matter what item you got, or what level you are there is no freaking way that a Non legit player, plays equal or better than a true Legit player


Ok but how can you prove this? Just because the legit might spend every waking moment searching for that Lavis Cannon hes always been searching for, that makes him better than the person who just plays to have fun? Is that what your telling me? Because, if Im not mistaken, video games were made to entertain people, and non-legit characters seem to be doing just that: having fun.


P.D: Also most Non Legit or Hackers players, get bored quick of this game, and thats why they wont learn the true gameplay of pso.


Heh, if I've had a nickel everytime I heard that. I know at least 10 people who use hacks and have been playing it for AT LEAST 8 months and are still enjoying it. My best friend has been playing it for roughly TWO YEARS, never gotten bored. Hes also quite good at raising mags, which is a key factor in PSO's gameplay. So how long (to you) is "bored quick"?

Im just expressing my opnion, such as you expressing yours. Im not bashing you, Im simply asking questions to help me further understand your beliefs. I know that this is the biggest cliche ever told, but if people stop trying to prove that they're way of life is better than a different way of life, then maybe the world can finally have that "peace" thing I've been hearng so much about.



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[Sacred_One]

I agree with you Luis, but sometimes people uses them for a reason.

[Ice_ryu]

What fun is there is a level 80 character walking into the Ult ruins and killing everymonster with one shot and fighting dark falz in ulti and killing him before he has a chance to hit you once.

[Skorpius]

Does this really matter at this point in the game? The console versions of PSO are going obsolete, and cheating will be somewhat difficult on Blue Burst.

[Luis]

thats not a excuse to cheat, that the consoles are being obsolete, the game is not going to die, just be less popular, but still you can play it anytime you want until you not enjoy it anymore, i still play zelda on my N64 (ocarina of time), and some games that the show judgement day (G4TechTV) recommends on a segment called eb treasures, and awnsering how can i prove, well there is not tournament online making legit players battle non legit players, so there is no way i cant prove that, but what i can prove is that, the legit players have to play with the item that they found on their way, to beat the game (more often not the best weapon in the game), and since that makes the game more dificult than play the game with an lavis cannon (just in example), their gameplay skills grows more.

P.D No pain, No Gain

[Maridia]

Just a question.. I'm curious about what everyone considers "cheating".

What if you're a normally legit player who found everything they have themselves (or was given them by a very close friend who you know got them legitly as well), but you're given some fun weapons or mags that you know are questionable or obviously messed with. Is it cheating if you hang onto said items to play around with offline, but don't use them when you play online, especially if you plan to get rid of them as soon as you find your own legit copy?

I mean, that's different than changing your levels/which techs you can use, but still.. The Dark weapons are a good example of something fun to have that you know you shouldn't have at all in the first place. Is having those, but never using them online (thus around other people), and only keeping them for your own enjoyment cheating?

I've asked people this before just to see everyone's opinion. What do you all think?

[Ice_ryu]

On 2005-03-16 05:27, Maridia wrote:
Just a question.. I'm curious about what everyone considers "cheating".



Ok I will explain, If you play legit, you are not a cheater, if you have one of these weapons. The weapon however is not legit.
If your the one that is actually doing the hacking, to get the weapons, this makes you a cheater.

Now lets say you suck at the game (not reffering to you http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif since you rock) and are given a hacked weapon or mag and are using that to beat the game becuase you cant otherwise... then you are a cheater.

My opinion

[Luis]

thats right, i mean its obvious, that if a player cant beat the game quite AS IT, and he needs some non legit weapon to beat the game its clear to me that the player that can beat the game AS IT is better player, than the other

[Ochre]

Plus, you know...if you want you can always toss the items you got, or not use them when you play online or whatever. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Personally, I know where you're coming from on this issue, though. Some of those items are just ridiculously cool and it's fun using them. Generally, I play this way: I'll use an item as long as I know it isn't a dupe or hack, but if I find out somehow it is such, I'll stop using it. I honestly think it's more fun to search and hunt for things and the enjoyment you get out of the game is greater if you don't use dupes or hacks. Lately, I've been on a little bit of a legit kick, if you will, and got rid of my duped weapons after finding out they were dupes. That's just me though...http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

And seriously, if you want that old Demolition Comet of mine, feel free to take it. That's why it's there you know...for someone to use.



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[Luis]

On 2005-03-16 15:17, Ochre wrote:
Plus, you know...if you want you can always toss the items you got, or not use them when you play online or whatever. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Personally, I know where you're coming from on this issue, though. Some of those items are just ridiculously cool and it's fun using them. Generally, I play this way: I'll use an item as long as I know it isn't a dupe or hack, but if I find out somehow it is such, I'll stop using it. I honestly think it's more fun to search and hunt for things and the enjoyment you get out of the game is greater if you don't use dupes or hacks. Lately, I've been on a little bit of a legit kick, if you will, and got rid of my duped weapons after finding out they were dupes. That's just me though...http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

And seriously, if you want that old Demolition Comet of mine, feel free to take it. That's why it's there you know...for someone to use.



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i agree 100%

[Solstis]

The world isn't in black and white.

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_yes.gif

The lines of "skill" are not well defined.

[Maridia]

Well, what if you don't NEED the uh "naughty" weapons to beat anything, but you hang onto some anyway just to play with by yourself? I mean, sometimes you just want to tear into a group of enemies with some super overpowered weapon XD

I'm trying to make sure I find legit copies of anything anyone has given me, because unless it's obviously been tampered with, you'll never really know. That's why I have so many chars, but it's going to take forever to get them all up to the point where I can do proper item runs.

And thank you so much for the Demolition Comet, Ochre. *drools* It's so pretty. x.x *puts it in her ever growing legit stuff pile*

[Ice_ryu]

If someone offers you a weapon, usually you can tell if an item is ligit just by asking how they got it. "us i found it offline...redria giving you a Sealed J" and by the rarity of the weapon. No-one is gonna give up something like a red sword, jsword, p-wand, cadeaus, oriagito ..ect for free because they are so hard to get. Now lets say my Daniel drops a flowens sword for you. You can trust its ligit because as a Whitell its drop rate is very high in ult from rappies, and you know that I can find them easily. Common rares I call them.
Varistas, H&S Justices, Flowens swords, Dragon Slayers, Mace of Adamans,(in your case Maridia Gae Borgs) stuff like that you can trust to be ligit cause they drop alot.

[Maridia]

If your Daniel drops anything and tells me it's legit, I'll believe it because I trust you. ;P I mean, generally it's fairly obvious when it's not legit. People don't just go handing out Madam's Parasols and stuff. (also, didn't know caduceus was that hard to find, i found one last night XD)

I guess it'll always be one of those situations you can't generalize. No black or white. All you can do is have fun, and try to play legitly with everyone. Or, do whatever your thing is, I suppose.

Still, the Dark Flow is cool. :<

[TrekkiesUnite]

And also some people like me are just nice and if i dont need something and really dont want or need something or if i feel sorry for someone becuase they are using a really crummy weapon in ult ill give them something better so they dont suck anymore.

[Ice_ryu]

On 2005-03-17 14:36, TrekkiesUnite wrote:
And also some people like me are just nice and if i dont need something and really dont want or need something or if i feel sorry for someone becuase they are using a really crummy weapon in ult ill give them something better so they dont suck anymore.



Nothing wrong with that http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[mrdiaz]

I've happened to gather a few Yas 9000M's in my online career, but as it's told in my other topic, I just got my GULD MILLA, so I have no use for the Yas anymore (except for the one with 30 on hit). some people think they are hacked or duped but the people who know me online trust that they are all legit. Now that I'm typing this, I forgot why I intended to post here, I hope if I had a point, I got to it.

Sorry.

[Goldfishy]

Personally I'm a legit player but I'm okay playing with non legits. UNLESS they use action reply. That bothers me to no end. One day I was playing with a HUcast that was shooting megid. That is wrong for so many reasons. Being a force I find it insulting.

I also don't like the fact that since theres so many hackers it's easy to get accused of not having a legit weapon. It just sucks when you worked so hard to get it legitly and then nobody believes you. Like me, I was using the demonic fork that I found legitly and I was accused of being a hacker. And I can back mrdiaz up with this one. He was using a legit GULD-MILLA (Yeah, you heard me right) and someone accused him of cheating.

Other then that, I don't have a problem with hackers.



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[DB]

Eh, to play legit, is to play the game how it was made to be played. Simple as that. It's to bad things such as hacked weapons, and items and such made it into the gaming field at all. As for people that say their legit, and then go into being non-legit by cheating, saying they've played the game to the fullest, that's a crock. If you go over to cheating why not just go over to a different game then? What's the point in hanging around?

And if your excuse is, "I like hanging out in the lobbys." Go get on Yahoo! chat. It's free, unlike PSO, which is $9 a month, and you can still talk to people all day long. And th other great thing, no one will give a damn weather you're lvl 200 or have a hacked Lavis. Cause it's all just text there, which is where you belong anyways. ^_^

Just my thoughts.

[frozenxchaos]

I play legit..

I just don't see the point in Cheating/Duping/Hacking/etc. It seems like you would get bored easily because you can pretty much get anything you want. There's absolutely no fun in that.

Honestly, I LOVE working to get my stuff. I guess that's why I still haven't gotten bored of PSO yet. Non-legit players are just too impatient.

[619]

I am a cheater but after losing my data 3 times when I was catching up to my friends level at about level 120 a felt like it didn't matter but yes I am getting a bit bored but still having fun also I cheated right away with inf hp still I am quite good at the game finally does it matter if somone says you didn't get a weapon leit you know you if you got it leit or not.

P.s sorry about the spelling if it's a bit wrong I'm not that good

[Zansatsu]

i have played PSO since Dreamcast, and i got it on Xbox (Online) and Gamecube(OFFLINE) on dreamcast i dont know if all things was legit, but on that time. U could buy rares for Meseta with other people, impossible today. On gamecube im 100% Legit only offline. On XBOX i got some Legit and sum Unlegit characters. Is it ok to have that?

[Mystil]

Doesn't really matter anymore.

[Sykoslocos]

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

This is the case

I started playing pso when it came out
for months i was completly legit, traded ALOT, and began to have alot of rares. i was lvl 152/111/92/34 and BAMM Corrupted. no worries, ill just start again
even tho i lost ALL my legit items. Good heavens for my friends, they gave me some good rares to start trading and collecting again...then i was lvl 170 with my main char and BAMM corrupted again....Lost even more than the first time. This repeated itself over and over again, frikking corruption. (btw i corrupted on 1st party cards aswell as 3th) Then some1 told me how to dupe items,now instead of trading traditionally i started trading the dupe way. basicly trading without loosing ur items. a few months later i had EVERY item in the game. Cheating? maybe, but after several corruptions u just get fed up and if i never corrupted id have every item in the game anyway. 70% of my itemdatabase is legit, i have legit S&Y legit Lcannon etc etc, and all my mags are legit aswell, farmed by my best friends. And the best thing is. because of that i could give many players that corrupted aswell their items back and more. and yes IM PROUD OF IT....SUE ME

[SilverSkull]

Not much of a question. Legit is better because you play the game it was meant to be played. You are actually challenged as a legit player. I've played non legit once and I got sick of the game fast. There's just no reason to play when you're maxed out at level 1.

[Rydius]

I'm not really bothered aout the whole Legit vs Non-legit thing. After all, I only play it to have fun with whomever takes part, even though there are the few who spoil it for everyone else.

I know I have only 1 hacked item in my inventory that was given to me but has never been used but I like to keep a hold of it as a reminder of what to watch out for. After all, it's taken me some time to start to learn what rares I can find easily and using that hacked item makes it impossible to do so (with the exception of normal mode since no rares are found on it anyway.)

[Sacred_One]

No one can tell who's legit or hacked anymore. Thanks to AR.

[Corey]

It's easy to tell whose unlegit, there's just a few codes that can make it...hard to tell.

I.E, Change Drop Rates to 97.7% code -.-