will the GC or Xbox version be as busy as DC or more so

[mikev2]

being a sega fan i was so gutted when the DC pso did not do as well as every one expected
i love the game to bits and ohone bill was very every month till i got the isp changed then it was FREE over 1000 later.
any way my point is will the GC or Xy be as busy online or will it die http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif i really hope not i sold my DC to buy a GC and cant wait to get the PSO eps 1&2 http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

http://tkdsouth.tripod.com/index.pso.html
has alo of updates but nothing about this

[TeamPhalanx]

GC version will be popular since it'll be released first and Japanese players will be on it (going by number GC sales in Japan and the trial).

X-Box version is an unknown. It won't do as well as the GC version, simply because the X-Box has a lot more (and better) online games.

[Kalbelgarion]

They'll both be pretty well populated, what with GCN PSO being the only real online title for the Gamecube, and XBOX PSO being a Live launch game and the only online RPG for the 'Box for a while.

[Parn]

Sorry to rain on the parade, but PSO Xbox won't do well at all, regardless of the version it gets.

Xbox hasn't even sold 300,000 units in Japan. That's pathetic. As for the US, there are 3 million+ Xbox owners, but the average Xbox owner couldn't care less about Phantasy Star Online, if they even know what it is to begin with. They'll be busy playing other online games. Why else would they choose to pack in Revolt with Xbox Live? Simple, because more would play Revolt than Phantasy Star Online.

I don't expect PSO GameCube to do that well in the US either. The aspect of purchasing extra peripherals and paying an online fee will scare off a lot of potential players. Sure, a lot of us here have no objection, but we're only a few hundred people when you add up all the people on various PSO boards.

PSO Dreamcast did fairly well because it was free to play online. I don't expect the new editions to do nearly as well. Not in the US anyways.

[NiGHTS]

These people are being pessimistic. Both GC and Xbox PSO will be MUCH more populated. When PSO originally came out it was not long after Sega announced the console was to be killed. The DC was dying when PSO and PSO Ver.2 came out, and for a dead console they sold fantastically.. For consoles like Xbox and GC which are pretty dang new in their life-cycle, you can expect it to be MUCH more busy. MUCH

[merlin]

XboX will most likely only appeal to gamers who did not experience the DC version, since it's identical.

My prediction based on the reaction of my customers? Watch the Cube version really do well. Have you seen the size of those lobbies?!?!?!

[Malkavian]

I really think PSO GC will be more populated. First online game for gc with big difference.
GC sold better, GC has broadband and dial up service, and japanese players are an important part of the community, and in gc they will be a lot more

[Strider_Gren]

GCN version will undoubtly have way more people than the Xbox version, if simply for suppport for narrowband.

[Parn]

On 2002-07-26 16:22, NiGHTS wrote:
These people are being pessimistic. Both GC and Xbox PSO will be MUCH more populated.

And you're being overly optimistic over a game you happen to like a lot. The average gamer does not play games like Phantasy Star Online, just like the average gamer doesn't play great games like NiGHTS. You call it pessimism, I call it reality.

Sega games didn't sell that well on Sega systems, so what makes anyone here think this non-mainstream game will somehow do immensely better on GameCube and Xbox? The majority of the GameCube owners are waiting for Nintendo games, not Sega games. The majority of Xbox owners play games like Halo and Project Gotham Racing, not Jet Set Radio Future.

[Mag_Launcher]

Uh-oh, fanboy sense is tingling.

[Kalbelgarion]

Parn? There are hundreds of thousands of people that own each console that like RPGs. There are millions of people that own each console that like online games. There are more people that own each console than owned the Dreamcast.

PSO for the new systems will be heavily populated.

Thanks for judging many people by sterotypes. I'm surprised you didn't say that the "Teen" rating would prohibit the kiddies that own the GCN from buying PSO.

Merlin, please stop spreading fanboyish rumors. Use common sense. Thank you.

[TeamPhalanx]

Actually, you are going overboard when you say both will be populated. PSO itself isn't much of a game to start with, and a lot of people will be turned off by the fact you have to pay-to-play the game online.

You'll see people play the GC version, that's for sure. But I doubt the number of players will be any higher than the number of people that played v2 at the hight of its popularity. I don't see the X-Box version having even 1/2 the players the GC version will. It has MUCH more competition from other online games and it's getting the game several weeks after the GC version's release.

[Malkavian]

I son't know in US but here in Europe Super Smash bros melee has teen rating and so far is the top seller GC game.
Well i think there are reasons enough to think PSO gc will b more populated at least will be more variety of nationalities. Gc sells way better in europe and japan

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2002-07-26 19:12, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Actually, you are going overboard when you say both will be populated. PSO itself isn't much of a game to start with, and a lot of people will be turned off by the fact you have to pay-to-play the game online.


Yes, but not everyone has played PSO to death like we have. There are still many more addicts yet to find this game. There are thousands of people who will buy this game that have never played it before. Sure, it's PTP on the GCN, but all games will be. And for the XBOX, the current plan is for it to be part of the Live system, so it won't have an extra fee.

PSO is an unique game. It will be the only online RPG for either console, so it'll have a nitch to sell to.

[Defend]

Gamecube has dialup. Winner.

I think the GC version could have more players than the DC has had. It has a new audience to aim at, as well as the vets jumping ship, and plenty of support where it counts.
The only thing stopping it from becoming as populated as the DC would be that some might see it as stale.. but I don't think that's a big factor at all.

[Parn]

On 2002-07-26 19:05, Kalbelgarion wrote:
Parn? There are hundreds of thousands of people that own each console that like RPGs. There are millions of people that own each console that like online games. There are more people that own each console than owned the Dreamcast.

Apparently your precious Microsoft doesn't agree about your feelings regarding RPGs, because guess what they're bundling with Xbox Live in the US? Revolt. Go figure.

Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast had what... 400,000 registered users? How many of those do you think would never have even touched the game if they had to go out and purchase a Dreamcast modem, and pay an online fee in the US? I'll answer that for you: a good number of them, whether it has to do with lack of funds, lack of access to a credit card, or just flat out not wanting to pay a fee.

The people that are interested in online gaming tend to use their PCs for such. The people that are interested in RPGs tend to own a PS2.

PSO for the new systems will be heavily populated.

How do you figure? Because a few hundred fans get all excited on PSO message boards?

You should check out Gamespot sometime. Mention PSO on the Xbox or GameCube boards there, and the majority aren't interested. Did you notice how Gamespot doesn't do diddly squat for coverage on Phantasy Star Online for GameCube or Xbox? Gee, I wonder why? Probably because they're catering to what IS mainstream, and PSO ports on Xbox and GameCube don't fit the bill.

Most GameCube owners are excited about Mario Sunshine, Zelda, and Metroid Prime, not Phantasy Star Online.

Most Xbox owners are interested in the upcoming Turok, the new WWE wrestling game, and other assorted sports games, not Phantasy Star Online.

Thanks for judging many people by sterotypes. I'm surprised you didn't say that the "Teen" rating would prohibit the kiddies that own the GCN from buying PSO.

Apparently you seem to have a problem with stereotypes, which isn't surprising, but just plain silly. For every false stereotype, there's a truthful one, and what I say is quite correct in that Phantasy Star Online is not a mainstream game. Online gaming isn't mainstream either. The truth sometimes hurts, but it's the truth nonetheless.

Considering that out of 4 million Dreamcast owners, only 400,000 managed to get online with the game which offered FREE ONLINE PLAY (which won't be the case with the new editions), I fail to understand where you get this idea that Phantasy Star Online will have a large userbase when it will involve a payment system to play it alongside the cost of the game disc, and in the GameCube's case, an extra peripheral to be purchased.

I guess you missed the whopping successes that were the Sega CD, 32X, Saturn Netlink, PS2 hard drive, PS2 modem/ethernet adapter, GameCube-GBA link cable, and so forth. I really doubt most GameCube owners will ever touch the modem/BBA for one game, and I really doubt the average Xbox Live player will choose PSO over the other games offered to them, considering that PSO Xbox will have a fee ON TOP OF THE XBOX LIVE FEE. But by all means, be optimistic if you like, just be prepared for some disappointment.

[mikev2]

if i had to choose which console to play pso it would be the most popular one becasue of the greater variety of ppl which is what it is all about meeeting ppl and playing come a very close second although i do get bored when ppl talk too much when i am trying to get the next level up or trying to get my S rank time down below 4 hrs ><)

http://tkdsouth.tripod.com/index.pso.html

[Mag_Launcher]

Kalbelgarion, you used kiddie and GC in the same sentence.

You deserve to be slapped. Seriously.

[GhoStar]

PSO's success will be on Gamecube, and in Japan. We all know how Japan were playing the most PSO on the previous two versions (despite having to PTP online for both). And V1 and V2 in Japan sold in very similar numbers (around 170,000 each).

From all reports I've read, PSO GC is high on the reader-voted Most Wanted lists (Xbox version not in sight), and a recent Japanese industry publication polled big-name Japanese retailers and they said they were expecting these as the three biggest Gamecube games this Summer (based off interest from consumers and pre-orders, most likely):

1) Super Mario Sunshine
2) Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2
3) Konami's Powerful Pro Baseball 9 (very popular series; best selling third party game on N64 in Japan)

Whether all the above play online - or just with friends - is unknown. Although the PSO + Modem deal at Sega's Online D-Direct apparently sold out quite quickly, so Sega obviously underestimated the popularity of the game.

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[Alisha]

some of parns statements are why i believe the 4 player mode was implemented and also lead me to believe there may be a revamped offline mode(possible reason offline mode doesnt exist in the trial) as for the 2 versions of pso the gamecube version will most likely be more populated due to the bba restriction and voice chat

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2002-07-27 04:23, Mag_Launcher wrote:
Kalbelgarion, you used kiddie and GC in the same sentence.

You deserve to be slapped. Seriously.


Turn your fanboy radar down. I didn't say that only "kiddies" used the GCN. Jeez, can't you see that you took that comment out of context?

Parn: You're forgetting that PSOv2 is being packed in with the Live kit in Japan. If 250,000 people get XBOX Live, out of the 500,000 that own an XBOX, then that's over half of who bought the DC version. And the Japanese don't have a problem with online fees. That's something that's a problem with us whiney Americans. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Methinks Americans will pick up the slack there, and 150,000 of us will buy *at least* PSOv2, if not Episode II. Many Japanese players will upgrade to Episode II, too. So between the two games, we'll get our 400,000 number.

PSO is one of the most anticipated XBOX launch titles. *Everyone* who owns an XBOX doesn't lothe RPGs. *Everyone* who owns an XBOX won't touch an RPG. The mainstream XBOXer would be at least slightly interested in this game, methinks.

[Malkavian]

In japan there are 300.000 xbox and only 1-2 games sold for each one. being very optimistic maybe 50.000 get xbox live and sure most of them will prefer the PSO gc..
xbox in japan goes really. really BAD

[M_BlackHawk]

It's as I've said before. If Microsoft wanted to package an MMORPG w/ the Xbox, it should be an Xbox port of one of the major MMORPG's, those being Asheron's Call, Anarchy Online, Dark Age of Camelot, or Everquest. Check that. Everquest is being brought to the PS2 when its network is launched, though I think THAT'LL sell better than FFXI.

PSO will most likely be sell the best on the GCN, while Xbox's net play will see more games such as Halo or Brute Force played online. I happen to agree that most people who own an Xbox won't be very interested in PSO. However, there will be those maybe 75,000 (and I'm being generous here) that will, me included.

Personally, I plan on buying both versions, GCN, and Xbox, though I can't play Xbox PSO Online due to no BB capability..damn country town.

PSO won't be very mainstream here in America, since the online RPG's that are popular here are all on PC. PC Gamers aren't to averse to paying a fee for online play, apparently. Look how many users EQ and AC have over the course of a month. I do think that PSO will see about 4 to 5 hundred thousand players on GCN version, while Xbox may see about 75,000 at best. I'm projecting these numbers being for US, JP, and Europe together. I may be optimisitc, realisitc, pessimistic, or just plain out of my mind, but that's how I see this game doing.
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My personal wishlist for games basically follow this line:
Xbox
Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Dead or Alive 4 (Not offically announced, but you know there'll be another game in this series)
Ninja Gaiden
Brute Force
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon

Gamecube
Phantasy Star Online
Resident Evil (the whole series. I already have RE1 remake on GCN)
Metroid Prime
I personally could care less about Mario Sunshine or that cartoonish Zelda. Metroid, I will definately buy

PS2
WWE Smackdown! Shut Your Mouth
any new Gran Turismo title released.
Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance
Final Fantasy XI
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later


M_BlackHawk

[Shadow_Blade]

This fourm is being ripped apart by fanboy's teeth and their overly-large fingernails.

...o_O

[Mag_Launcher]

True, true...

[RavenTW]

On 2002-07-26 19:13, Malkavian wrote:
I son't know in US but here in Europe Super Smash bros melee has teen rating and so far is the top seller GC game.
Well i think there are reasons enough to think PSO gc will b more populated at least will be more variety of nationalities. Gc sells way better in europe and japan



In SSB:M, you don't kill people, there's no blood, and you don't have butt-ugly psycho creatures trying to rip your hide in two.

PSO's popularity was remarkable for a game that started as soon as DC went down. There was always someone to play with, no matter when you got on (as long as the servs were up). Because it is based off of an incredible game series, the Gc's popularity in Japan, and the craving for another round of dragon-slaying, worm-ridding, virus-deleting, evil-killing meyham we have in the rest of the world, I expect PSO to have a strong amount of players on the Cube, fee or not. However, due to the Xbox's pathetic sales in Japan and the want for games like Halo and DOA3 online in the States, we probably won't see success like the GC's will be, although it will have a decent amount of players(my friend is waiting for the XB version specifically, kinda stupid if you ask me).

[Mag_Launcher]

Kinda stupid if you ask me.

I state once again, true, true...

[merlin]

Believe it or not, there are some people out there that WILL buy either the XboX or the Cube JUST to play PSO. As I said before, most would lean towards the "new" version that will appear on the Cube, instead of the "old" version that will appear on the XboX.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the installed base of the Cube is going to be MUCH higher than the install base of the Dreamcast. With DC customers as new Cube owners, curious Cube owners that have never experienced PSO, and a good amount of publicity from the Nintendo promotional machine, it's quite hard to say that the Cube version of PSO will not be more successful than the Dreamcast version was.

As far as the fanboy comment...(LOL!!)...I sell XboX, PS2 and Cube consoles, games and accessories. I play 'em all....I deal in them all....I'm in contact with the companies on a weekly basis. No fanboy here.

[merlin]

I should ALSO add that Parn HAS voiced the exact concern that Nintendo and Sony BOTH share towards online console gaming in general.

In short, Nintendo and Sony are trying to figure out whether the AVERAGE CASUAL gamer will want to come home after a day at school or work and BOTHER to play online, whether WITH an extra fee or WITHOUT. Most CASUAL gamers just want to sit down, toss in a game and play a few levels without any extra hassle.

I believe that for online games (not necessarily being PSO), most gamers will either flock to the XboX.....or the PC.

[GhoStar]

Believe it or not, there are some people out there that WILL buy either the XboX or the Cube JUST to play PSO.
Heh, I remember when everyone used to say: 'Hey, you gettin' Gamecube or Xbox!?' Like it was the question of the year, and I always said Xbox based on how I felt very indifferent towards N64 and Nintendo's past efforts. Then PSO V2 was announced as being ported to GC. Even just a straight port meaning I could once again relive those early years pushed my favour over to GC, and then as things progressed and they started to add things to it I knew GC was for me. Based on PSO alone. I then sold my PS2 to a friend so I could get an imported, modified Gamecube from Japan (I still play my old PS2 and borrow it off my friend all the time, hehe). So I fully agree with that statement.

And as far as hardcore PSO junkies go, I probably wasn't half as bad as some.

[Vejita]

Sorry guys, but Parn is right. Like he said, PSO has plenty of turn offs to your average gamer. But even if the hundreds of us are the only ones that play it every hour of our lives then big deal. Less lag, less newbies, better gaming experience. If your "average gamer" isnt interested in PSO, then it wont really matter. Let the ones that recognize the games greatness enjoy it with others that do too.

[Kalbelgarion]

Merlin, stop spreading anti-XBOX propaganda. Sega has said that the XBOX is getting PSO Episode I and II. Microsoft has stated that the XBOX is getting PSO Episode II. It most likely will not be PSOv2. Stop being so confident that it will be v2.

People, only time will tell. Both systems have strikes against them that PSOv1 on the DC didn't have. For the GCN, extra accessories must be bought and a monthly fee must be payed. For the XBOX, it's BB-only, and there will be a monthly fee (eventually). Both will have a bigger user-base than the DC had, so more people may buy PSO on the new consoles than bought it on the DC. Or perhaps not.

[Strider_Gren]

As I've said before, fanboys are the happiest ppl on earth, for Ignorance is bliss.

[Shinnosuke]

...why do you people keep leaving out the whole four-player split screen ability? Sure...the people might not go online...but if you can play it with four friends OFFLINE, that alone will sell even more units. You ever played Smash Bros. or Halo with 2 or more people offline? Now THAT is fun. Think of all the fun we all have in multiplayer fighting and shooting games and then add that it's really an RPG. In other words...you don't have to pay all the extra dough to have fun...just call a friend. Oh...(I'm NOT making fun of the X-Box because I honestly don't know the answer to the question I'm going to ask) will the X-Box version have split screen, as well?

[saffaya]

If Xbox is going to get a PSO v2 port with voice chat, due to ST limited time to implement the game, a 4 player split screen option would be a quick and easy way to add replay value to the title. Good idea.

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2002-07-29 00:50, saffaya wrote:
If Xbox is going to get a PSO v2 port with voice chat

Well, yes, but we're also most certainly getting Episode II this fall, too.

The multiplayer offline mode will set games, but that won't help us who are looking for teamates online.

[Parn]

On 2002-07-28 22:33, Shinnosuke wrote:
...why do you people keep leaving out the whole four-player split screen ability?

Because we're talking about how crowded the servers will be. You don't log on to the servers to play multiplayer offline. I haven't forgotten multiplayer mode at all, it just simply is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

[merlin]

The interesting thing about offline multiplayer will be how it will relate to the singleplayer offline game. Will what you do in multiplayer offline count or not count towards your accomplishments in offline singleplayer?

Hmmm....anti XboX propoganda. Look at that...I just sold a customer an Xbox, Morrowwind and Spiderman!!!!

XboX be very good to me too $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

We just did fall prebooks. PSO#2 for XboX wasn't available. Don't misunderstand me. I'd love to see it come out on all the systems. Why not? It means more sales. It just hasn't been offered as a done deal on any other than the Cube.

[haterade]

On 2002-07-26 17:41, Mag_Launcher wrote:
Uh-oh, fanboy sense is tingling.



*laughs*

Guess you beat me to it. I was gonna say something similar...fanboy/d!ck-riders!

[Kalbelgarion]

On 2002-07-29 15:40, merlin wrote:
We just did fall prebooks. PSO#2 for XboX wasn't available. Don't misunderstand me. I'd love to see it come out on all the systems. Why not? It means more sales. It just hasn't been offered as a done deal on any other than the Cube.

And, yet, for no reason whatsoever, you claim that it's only PSOv2 that's coming out for the XBOX, dispite the fact that there is no proof for that.

[oSmoDiAr2]

"you claim that it's only PSOv2 that's coming out for the XBOX, dispite the fact that there is no proof for that."

then do you wanna explain why the only screenshots of it are mainly from Ult.Forest -- NOTHING from Ep.2 ...?


Kalbelgarion, i hate to be the bearer of bad news(not to mention look like a "fanboy" in the process), but thus far you have no real proof to suggest that Xbox PSO will be anything more than v2. and a little email from some Microsoft PR guy isnt exactly hard evidence. it's just something to get your hopes up. in all probability it was a mistake/typo.

there's no way Xbox PSO can be anything more than v2. Sonic Team wants their MMORPG, in one form or another, available the day Xbox Live launches. they've stated in the past that their primary focus is the GCN version...the version which is getting new features announced on what seems to be a week-to-week basis. it was also delayed a month so that more could be added. there's simply no way that ST is developing Ep.2 simultaneously on both GCN & Xbox. i'm not being a fanboy, im just being logical. i own an xbox and i enjoy it very much, but the fact is, if you're a PSO fan, Gamecube is the system you want this fall.


http://xbox.ign.com/mail/2002-06-21.html (look for the letter pertaining to PSO :| )

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[Kalbelgarion]

Proof that the game's PSOv2:
-Sceenshots of the Forest area, even though they are from the GCN's Episode I, not the DC's PSOv2.

Proff that the game's PSO Episode II:
-Direct confirmation from Microsoft
-Comfirmation from a Sega rep.
-Agreement from Yuji Naka about the title "PSO2" (Last May)

Microsoft's updated computers wasn't just a typo. Before then, the game was known as PSO2 to all of Microsoft and all their employees. Now, it's known as PSO Episode II. "Typos" like that don't happen.

Yuji Naka has stated that two seperate groups of people are working on the XBOX version and the GCN version. It's likely that the XBOX group is porting the game over, and the GCN group is perfecting the GCN version. The XBOX version doesn't come out until November, so that's plenty of time to finish porting over the game. The one main addition, voice chat, is already completed.

Just because the finished product contains the Forest Area doesn't mean that it's PSOv2.



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[Wewt]

You never know...the rep you spoke to might be an Xbox fanboy and a PSO nut..

[Agent_Reav]

I totally agree Kalbergion (sorry if misspelled)! Everyone here is basically too hopefull GCN gets everything and Xbox nothing.. What does it matter to you people? Do you honestly think any corporation gives a damn about you? You're just another zero at the end of their bank statement. If you think SEGA would give XBOX a no frills port you obviously don't know much about the relationship between SEGA and Microsoft. SEGA has and will be releasing it's key francises (excluding PSO and a few others) EXCLUSIVELY on Xbox... Why would they all of a sudden shaft the box with a no frills port of a DC game?

[NiGHTS]

Do you really think that PSO on the GameCube or Xbox will be LESS populated than it was on the Dreamcast which was dying when the game came out. Regardless of "who" owns the consoles, the game WILL sell more than on the Dreamcast. Just look at Sonic Adventure 2, sold over a million on the GameCube but hardly anything on the Dreamcast.

Most of those who stuck with the Dreamcast were hardcore gamers, the mainstread didn't touch the Dreamcast after Sega's change to 3rd party, and wouldn't have touched Phantasy Star Online. The GC and the Xbox version's will cater for both the hardcore and the mainstream gamers.

Here in the UK, the hype surrounding PSO in GC magazines is quite large.

[Wewt]

I just find it funny how Kalbelgarion used to back up Xbox PSO when only the Ult Forest pics were released, tiny amounts of information. Now after he/she talked to an Xbox rep. the thoughts have changed, he/she is implying it is now Episode II for Xbox.

[Kalbelgarion]

I talked with a few reps, who checked Microsoft's database. Either each and every one of them is lying, or Microsoft says it's PSO Episode II that's coming out.

Now, the Sega rep *could* be lying, but I doubt it. We *know* that a port of the GCN's Episode I is coming out for the XBOX, so what's so far-fetched about Episode II? Espesically when we have the word of Microsoft and Sega.

[Wewt]

Maybe I should use the classic line of "just wait for the game's release and see for yourselves".

[HEP2O]

well from the "box pso"pics i have seen

the 2 devolpment teams must be contact(maybe yuji does xbox pso on his lunch break)
i personaly think that xbox psowil be somewhere between dc ver1 and gc ep1&2(what ever that is gonna be!). so that sega can release more limited version at first, then sell a improved version at a later date.

only time will tell if these new pso's become classics or crash and burn

[mikev2]

hey hep how are you doing can you send my your web site link so i can add it to my site what level are you BTW hows rab and john etc ??

http://tkdsouth.tripod.com/index.pso.html

[mikev2]

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[rbf2000]

On 2002-08-01 11:54, mikev2 wrote:
hey hep how are you doing can you send my your web site link so i can add it to my site what level are you BTW hows rab and john etc ??

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