I ask you cheaters, why?

[RabidSquirrel]

I would like to know why you would want to cheat. Does it make you feel special? Why would you want to ruin the game for several people? ( Not that it ruins it for everyone)If you need to cheat to be good at this game, then you make me sad. Now please, don't get me wrong. Some cheaters are nice, but they are still cheating. Well, then there are some others. They use AR and are level 200 and don't even have basic knowledge of the game. Also why do some cheaters sit there in the lobby and FSOD people? Does it make you feel powerful? You aren't powerful, you are pathetic. If you are going to pay 8 bucks a month to sit there in a lobby and FSOD people while screaming "HAHAHA LOLOL" why not save your money and play a different game. I can't speak for anyone else but I think it is ridiculous how bad this game is becoming because of cheaters. I can partially understand why people would dupe, but FSOD'ing makes me sick. So I ask you cheaters, why? (Please do not flame, I just want an honest opinion)

[Skorpius]

FSODers want attention.

[Superguppie]

I remember asking this very question a while ago. Only real answer I got is the one you already gave: It makes them feel powerful. One must be a true loser to need something like annoying others just to get off.
They probably don't realise that the only real power they have is to annoy people into leaving the game. After that they will be alone with their stupid hunting gears and no prey. Like the Dutch saying: Where nothing is, the king loses his power.
Soon BB will be out worldwide. I'll switch to that and leave the pathetic morons rot in loneliness...

[Nacht]

It's funny how whenever someone brings out a new way for people to enjoy themselves without harming anyone, there have to be a core of people who have to go out of their way to spoil it all for their own pleasure. Kinda the same reason some people like watching animal attacks on TV. They think it's fun to watch someone else's discomfort/distress/frustration.

Sad really.

[RedSchwar]

For once, these guys thought of everything. I've got nothin' to add. Cept that I'm sad and I will miss PSO GC.

[MitsukoSouma]

PSO has been ruined for me by cheaters, I just feel like giving up sometimes! It used to be such fun, but now.....

[Corey]

Because I can...and when I FSOD, it's usually when a n00b is the room.

I confess sometimes I'm pissed off at the world and FSOD a random person.

[Sacred_One]

They want attention perhaps, ST never respond or help PSO they are trying to make ST do something.

[ForceOfBrokenGlass]

They do it because they know people will complain like this. Perhaps even still because they knew people like you would formulate these groundless evidence less assumptions about their personalities and lives too. Bugging people is probably at the top of that list of reasons; nobody is just beaming when they get fsoded.

[RedSchwar]

Perhaps even still because they knew people like you would formulate these groundless evidence less assumptions about their personalities and lives too.

Groundless? I have to ask, would a person with a balanced and happy life ever feel the need to harm others? Even over a game?

Obviously the questions are not groundless.

Also, don't expect any cheaters to answer seriously here. A person in ignorance of their wrongdoing will never take a post like this seriously. It shows how bad off they really are. Plus, cheaters typically aren't of the calibur of intelligence to partake in ethical discussions.

Very rarely will you find a person with excellent knowledge of ethics who still does stupid things like maliciously hack online games. Most people that do such things are usually very immature.



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[Superguppie]

On 2005-04-28 01:45, RedSchwar wrote:
Also, don't expect any cheaters to answer seriously here.
The answer to that one is a few posts above yours:

On 2005-04-27 15:28, Corey wrote:
Because I can...and when I FSOD, it's usually when a n00b is the room.

I confess sometimes I'm pissed off at the world and FSOD a random person.


If that wasn't serious enough for you, I don't think I will be able to call you serious.


A person in ignorance of their wrongdoing will never take a post like this seriously. It shows how bad off they really are.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS! (and I'm not trying to spam or flame here. Many morons are actualy quite well off, not bothered by concern for others.)


Plus, cheaters typically aren't of the calibur of intelligence to partake in ethical discussions.

A calibur is a type of sword...


Very rarely will you find a person with excellent knowledge of ethics who still does stupid things like maliciously hack online games. Most people that do such things are usually very immature.

That's what I would like to think. Such thoughts are very effectively killed by the notion that the leader of one of the worst central american communist fighting groups was a professor (as in teacher at a university) in philosophy. So much for ehtics making pacifists.

I'm sorry for cracking down on you like this, as I am a legit without any sympathy for people that ruin my game. But I have to agree with ForceOfBrokenGlass that the mindless complaining of some can be considered quite amusing. I can't imagine the amusement being big enough to make me do something moraly wrong, but I can see how someone with less strong feelings of morality could find otherwise. And that includes your responses to it...

[Mystil]

I dont like answering this cause people will think I'm in those crazy ass weapons like 300% weps and 1304 mags. But I learned how to dupe because I was afraid of corruption and I was afraid of the things that still haunt me from the DC days, duping was really hard to do back then unless you had xploder/dc game shark, so if any of this happened you were screwed. When you witness a player get CKed right in front of your eyes, when you've been pked enough times to get tired of it. It made me turn from legit.

I've went back and forth from legit to cheater. When I thought I was going to stay legit on GC, I gave away all my dupeed junk(70 items) to a friend who was a cheater himself. Then when fsod was born once again, old damn memories came back.

Yes giving away all I had did infact ruin the game for some people if they were all re-massed duped. I regret it, I should have deleted them, since a month later he turned against me. Oh well.

That is a serious answer, fear was my reason.



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[ForceOfBrokenGlass]

On 2005-04-28 01:45, RedSchwar wrote:
Perhaps even still because they knew people like you would formulate these groundless evidence less assumptions about their personalities and lives too.

Groundless? I have to ask, would a person with a balanced and happy life ever feel the need to harm others? Even over a game?


Would a person with a balanced and happy life be happy 100% of the time, never feeling upset or displeased even for a moment? They're people not puppets.

And wouldn't a person with the available resources be more tempted to do such actions, than a person without the resources?

Very rarely will you find a person with excellent knowledge of ethics who still does stupid things like maliciously hack online games. Most people that do such things are usually very immature.


That would be a matter of opinion. It's far from fact.

[TrekkiesUnite]

well i have talked to many FSODers and they say they do it becuase it is funny to see peoples reactions and see them get pissed about it, so maybe if we just ignore it and stop "entertaining" them by getting pissed off, they'll stop, I mean seriously, it's worth a shot what else can we do. So if what they said is true, ignoring them and what they do would then take all the fun out of it for them and then maybe they'll stop.

[Superguppie]

I can see what you mean. Although I completely fail to see what is funny about seeing someone get upset.
I am going for the other alternative: I'm quitting PSO/GC. Not immediately, but when BB is out where I live. I bet there is some cheating on there, but at least the running and hiding will be over. As I said, I'll be leaving the annoying morons with no prey...

[Neith]

Start carrying items lightly, 1, maybe 2 weapons, nd then when you do FSOD, you generally won't lose much http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I just pipe back when I need to weapon switch. FSOD'ing does suck, but people do it because everyone gets irate about it. Not a lot you can do, it is a console-based version, ST should have seen it coming.

[Maridia]

Can you FSOD in a game? I mean, if it's passworded and you're alone/among friends. I was under the impression that they could only do it in the lobby and if they had access to your game. I bank everything I don't have equipped and can't stand to lose before I leave any game. I guess the other option would be to just be careful who you play with? I have yet to experience FSOD myself, so.. I guess I've been lucky.

... *jinxes herself* http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Ochre]

Yes, some hackers can do that. I've had a friend who has had that happen to him during c-mode, but we were playing in a busy block and he apparently has a few people who...don't like him. >_>;

Either way, I think it's not exactly commonplace. I'm not sure if it's do-able with AR or if you need more advanced hacking knowledge to do it.

[Zhurot]

On 2005-04-26 22:15, RabidSquirrel wrote:
I would like to know why you would want to cheat. Does it make you feel special? Why would you want to ruin the game for several people? ( Not that it ruins it for everyone)If you need to cheat to be good at this game, then you make me sad. Now please, don't get me wrong. Some cheaters are nice, but they are still cheating. Well, then there are some others. They use AR and are level 200 and don't even have basic knowledge of the game. Also why do some cheaters sit there in the lobby and FSOD people? Does it make you feel powerful? You aren't powerful, you are pathetic. If you are going to pay 8 bucks a month to sit there in a lobby and FSOD people while screaming "HAHAHA LOLOL" why not save your money and play a different game. I can't speak for anyone else but I think it is ridiculous how bad this game is becoming because of cheaters. I can partially understand why people would dupe, but FSOD'ing makes me sick. So I ask you cheaters, why? (Please do not flame, I just want an honest opinion)

[email]
I completely agree with you [b]RapidSquirrel I the only cheat i used was duping, it really makes you wonder how some people think.Just to make things a bit better i am saying(to everyone) that the more you use cheats you miss the essence of hte game.It's like non-original, when you buy too many you get bored of them plus you are 'damaging' companies with your actions and what just you think games are?They contain their creators dreams and ideas.CONCLUSION :THINK MORE One last thing what's your format for PSO, RS?!!!!

[DuoEpitafhMaxwell]

I never cheat and those who do are minnions of the dark one.

I'll have my PSO GC forever, and I'll still be playing it when I'm 85.

[Corey]

Minions of the Dark one?
Play till your 85?

Don't insult cheaters (me) if you can't come up with
a good insult. Oh wait. You're not supposed to insult anyone at all? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

These threads need to die.

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[DuoEpitafhMaxwell]

AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Demon! DEMON!
RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!

J/K

But seriously, why do you cheat?
And these type of threads will never die.

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[Corey]

Because I can...and when I FSOD, it's usually when a n00b is the room.


And EP3 is midly boring when your legit-why I have so many memory cards.

[DuoEpitafhMaxwell]

a nOOb is the room?

Don't you mean "is in the room"

And Btw, I'm glad your sig won't change, could be divine retrabution.

[TrekkiesUnite]

I wouldnt mind cheating so much if it didn't anyone except for the one doing it like most other games. You cheaters say you fsod people and stuff becuase they dont stop dissing you and stuff for cheating and fsoding people, well you know what if you didnt do it we would pick on you for it, so just stop with the fsoding, all it does is make your problem worse, we could care less if you use item cheats and level cheats but when you attack us for no apparent reason then thats when we get mad, so just stop and we'll leave you alone.

[Corey]

On 2005-05-01 14:47, DuoEpitafhMaxwell wrote:
a nOOb is the room?

Don't you mean "is in the room"

And Btw, I'm glad your sig won't change, could be divine retrabution.


I make typo sometimes, yes? That's why there's an incorrect quote.

My sig won't change, it's considered a divine retribution? That's the worst line/ attempt at some (lame and incomplete) insult I've ever seen. :l

Just to be a sport, don't you mean " Don't you mean "is in the room"?
Don't you mean n00b?
Don't you mean Minions? I've never heard of minnions.
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think retrabution is a word either- I could be wrong though.


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[Rianna_Type1]

HI, I AM NEW TO PSO, I THINK N00BMAR IS THE BEST CLASS..

[digigram]

retr a i bution.

Essentially means, payback or deserved punishment.


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[Ice_ryu]

On 2005-05-02 09:52, Rianna_Type1 wrote:
HI, I AM NEW TO PSO, I THINK N00BMAR IS THE BEST CLASS..



Yes they are, no matter what section ID they are they find the TJS from the monsters on PIONEER 2 called "hacker" which uses a special attack called FSOD like that of CAL which destroys you completely and either makes you loose spare weapons or causes you to die completely through a process call corruption.

[Rianna_Type1]

ICE_RYU, I LIKE U SO I ASK U 4 UR ADVIZ...

WHO DO U THINK IZ BETTUR? N00BMAR OR HUNNYWHIRL?//?

HUNNYWHIRL GOT THE BIG ASS N ALL.. MAKES ME LOL 4 REEL IRL.

[Ice_ryu]

On 2005-05-02 10:45, Rianna_Type1 wrote:
ICE_RYU, I LIKE U SO I ASK U 4 UR ADVIZ...

WHO DO U THINK IZ BETTUR? N00BMAR OR HUNNYWHIRL?//?

HUNNYWHIRL GOT THE BIG ASS N ALL.. MAKES ME LOL 4 REEL IRL.



Well the NOOBMAR like I said is better for finding "LEGIT" weapons like the 100% x 3 TJS or any of the weapons that have a drop of 127%, so they are pretty good.

The HUNNYWHIRL starts the game with the limited edition special 1300 mag and a new edition of the spread needle that is attached to her fat @$$ called the FART CANNON that poisons enemies.

My choice is the Hunnywhirl cause that @$$ is a real killer

[Rianna_Type1]

I bet you could bounce alot of oreos off of that thing....

lol, okok, I'm done.. Haha.

[Flwl3ssCowboy]

Isn't FSOD'ing something that rarely happens in the game too? That's what I always thought.

[DuoEpitafhMaxwell]

I'm such a nOOb, what does FSOD stand for?

I have never been online in PSO, and most likely wont be for a very long time.

[Flwl3ssCowboy]

FSOD stands for Frozen Screen Of Death.

[GreenArcher]

On 2005-05-02 14:46, Flwl3ssCowboy wrote:
Isn't FSOD'ing something that rarely happens in the game too? That's what I always thought.



Yes FSOD does happen in the game normally thanks to ST's double save feature. But cheators get a hand on AR codes (not exactly sure how it goes), but the end result is FSOD

[DuoEpitafhMaxwell]

It happens offline too?
It's never happened to me.

[Flwl3ssCowboy]

oh, ok.

[Superguppie]

On 2005-05-02 14:57, Green_Archer3 wrote:
Yes FSOD does happen in the game normally thanks to ST's double save feature. But cheators get a hand on AR codes (not exactly sure how it goes), but the end result is FSOD

Where on earth did you get the idea that the double save is causing FSOD? Double save does NOT cause FSOD. From what I have read earlier on this forum, I think the double save was created after ST got many complaints about people losing all their stuff after getting an FSOD. Apparently, the first (normal) save only saves the char, and the second (new) save also saves the equiped stuff. This takes the stinger out of the FSOD problem. However, it introduced another: The time spent saving is doubled. If an FSOD happens during a save, it's end of data. So, the double save has doubled the chances of character corruption due to in-save FSOD. Hackers have been looking for ways to get that deliberately. I don't think they have made it yet, as we would have many more people complaining about losing their char.

FSOD happens whenever the program hits a bug. Strictly speaking, this can happen offline too, although it is extremely rare. It happens more often online. Apparently, some network traffic can be so messed up the program can't cope with it. Ofcourse hackers have found ways to make network traffic that is messed up deliberately, and are using them. And it doesn't even take a hacker to find messed up network traffic. There's a bit of Japanese wordselect that looks messed up to a system with the language set to anything but Japanese...

[Saviar]

It's these threads I keep reading that remind me why I never will play online.

Who cares what anyone else does? Does it really affect you when someone disses you [i]online? I mean, I know that what people so over the internet is so very impacting on how you act and who you are, and what other people say is what molds your personality (obviously, all this is sarcastic), but yeah...no reason to FSOD them, but likewise, no reason to give "cheaters" a hard time either. Bleh. Just throwing my two cents in again.

[Rianna_Type1]

Well, in reality, there's no "good reason" to FSOD anybody. People who do FSOD others and then attempt to justify it by such reason such as "I only FSOD n00bs" or "Because that guy was a jerk" don't make themselves look any better. It just makes them look retarded.

It's like they try to appear as some sort of savior to the online world because they can't get along with everybody or make themselves look superior because they can't handle somebody's difference of opinion or insult toward them online.

If anything, it makes the people who actually FSODs others look more childish than the "n00b" or disrespectful person.

It's not the FSODers "right" to decide where and when a person can play online. It's not an FSODers "right" to censor someone else's thoughts or speech either.

If you can't get along with someone, don't hang around them.

Change lobbies. Ignore them. Don't game with them.

As the old saying goes, "Two wrongs don't make a right", and that saying still stands.

I know some people who can get a person's guild card number banned and prevent them from ever playing on the Gamecube servers again. That's quite a more scary fate than being FSOD'd by any person, if you ask me. But do I ever ask these people to do this because somebody insults me or because they're a n00b or something stupid like that? No, because it's not right.

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[Aurra]

Where on earth did you get the idea that the double save is causing FSOD? Double save does NOT cause FSOD. From what I have read earlier on this forum, I think the double save was created after ST got many complaints about people losing all their stuff after getting an FSOD. Apparently, the first (normal) save only saves the char, and the second (new) save also saves the equiped stuff. This takes the stinger out of the FSOD problem. However, it introduced another: The time spent saving is doubled.

I think that's close, but not exactly correct. You're right in saying that the saving itself doesn't cause FSOD and that it just extends the "danger zone," so to speak, but the reason everyone hates it so much is because it saves your game during a time of heightened thread of FSOD. Apparently the reason you FSOD so frequently joining games (which in the days since the creation of the double save leads to corruption) is because loading the HUD--or Heads Up Display, which is the bar at the top left of your screen with your name, HP, and TP on it--is some kind of horrible strain on the system. It's right when that thing is supposed to appear that FSOD occasionally strikes, and thanks to a great lack of planning, this is the exact moment that ST chose for the second save to kick in.

Why did they put it there? As far as I can tell, it was because your character must be loaded for your item data to be saved, and it also had to take place before it was possible to drop items, seeing as how it was designed to stop the original method of duping. This trick involved dropping items that had been saved as "in your inventory" on the floor and then shutting the system off. Since there had been no item information update, or in other words, a save, since you quit the last game and cemented them into your inventory, it didn't take note that you'd put them on the floor before turning the game off. You came back online with your inventory restored and the floor covered in dupes.

All that said, I kind of understand why they decided they needed a second save in the place that they did. However, it still strikes me as neglegant that even after this method of duping was rendered completely obsolete by the shop trick, they didn't remove the double save. Has ST never heard of "the lesser of two evils"? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Superguppie]

2 remarks here:
- HUD causes FSOD, and thus the double save more than doubles the corruption window? Never knew that one. I NEVER FSODed upon entering a team. I am on the PAL version, so it could be they fixed it on my disc.
- Initialy, I heard the argument of stopping duping for the second save. I also heard arguments why it wasn't the real reason, or at least not the only reason. Don't quite remember the arguments, as they were posted quite a while ago. I do remember a post from someone that was playing before double save was introduce, and after it was introduced, but not at the moment of the introduction. He noted that before, people were complaining of losing everything in inventory to FSOD, and after people were happy about keeping the equiped stuff and complaining about the extra corruption risk. (The lose all in FSOD is actualy still visible in the message you get when selecting a char after FSOD. It says you will lose ALL items!)

[Neith]

Believe me, I have the PAL version to, and I've FSOD'd on joining a game, on entering boss arenas http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif , entering lobby, switching block.... They can't have fixed it. It doesn't happen as often now, but it still does happen, even in the middle of a game. I don't know the technical details about FSOD's, but at one point it was so bad, I didnt play TTF for months, just due to it saving so often.

[Caprice]

Allright, the FSOD problem is due to people wanting to discourage people from playing PSO for whatever reason (Usually to speed up the servers a bit) and those who do it just because they can are posers. Another reason why people cheat is to see different things like equipment, and elenors mag, and things they wouldn't normally get to use and/or see. I mostly play legit, with the occasional skin hack to modify my character to look like a PC GM, or an NPC, and I have fooled around with duping and trainers in the past. I can see why you people might not want this kind of activity around you, but seriously folks, let people play the game that is most fun for them. Stop worrying about other people and what they do and just RELAX.

I play on a private server, which has a legit ship with GMs, so I don't come across this problem much anymore, unless I want to.

[Rianna_Type1]

On 2005-05-06 09:25, Caprice wrote:
Allright, the FSOD problem is due to people wanting to discourage people from playing PSO for whatever reason (Usually to speed up the servers a bit)


I just lol'd.

[Ice_ryu]

Deserves to be castrated

[Caprice]

castrated? lol...

[PatserGOUKI]

On 2005-04-26 23:00, Skorpius wrote:
FSODers want attention.



That's correct, therby are most cheatplayers who want to ruin other people's games, kids.
and kids want attention too...

Is and always will be,

Now stop these stupid discusssions please, this forum is full of it!

PatserGOUKI

[mailinator]

people cheat because a game isnt fun anymore or they just dont like it and dont care

it doesnt take the fun away from anyone it gives it back

[Plagarius]

I beg your pardon but yall missed the big cheaters vs legit war of 03,04 this topic has been closed from disscussion for around 2 years.Hackers and cheaters who cheat on their own characters are ok in my opinion, but if they FSOD or NOL you then I understand where your coming from.So this issue is kinda depends on how you look at life.Until we understand each others differences then we will never be happy.....NOW LETS EAT! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/hotdog.gif needs ketchup http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ketchup.gif