I know nobody cares, but here's a fact...

[RedSchwar]

I just noticed that you have to agree to the ToS to EVEN PLAY OFFLINE!!!

This means you agree to NOT cheat offline!

Thus, all of those people who defended that guy for duping the J-Sword offline were wrong!!

You can reply with "I don't care," but I take comfort knowing I am factually correct.

So yes, even if you didn't keep the copy, you violated the ToS, thus making that J-Sword unlegit.

Case closed.

Don't mess with me, I do my homework. If I know someone cheated and receives glory nonetheless, I will attack like a bloodthirsty dog.

[Mixfortune]

On 2005-04-28 02:05, RedSchwar wrote:
I just noticed that you have to agree to the ToS to EVEN PLAY OFFLINE!!!

This means you agree to NOT cheat offline!

Thus, all of those people who defended that guy for duping the J-Sword offline were wrong!!

You can reply with "I don't care," but I take comfort knowing I am factually correct.

So yes, even if you didn't keep the copy, you violated the ToS, thus making that J-Sword unlegit.

Case closed.

Don't mess with me, I do my homework. If I know someone cheated and receives glory nonetheless, I will attack like a bloodthirsty dog.



If this is about trypticon's AGAIN, it had nothing to do with whether it was online, offline, or on the moon.

If it's someone else's you're referring to, clarify.

[Nacht]

Man, terms of service apply to offline games aswell? This all sounds rather Microsoft to me ^_^

[rena-ko]

that was unknown? i mean, isnt that a logical conclusion since offline and onlinemode are directly linked in pso (as you use the same chars and items in both modes)?

[RedSchwar]

Yes, but I had forgotten that you have to agree to the ToS to play offline. I accidentaly booted up w/o a memory card in the other day and it prompted the ToS.

It just proves it as fact. Tryp broke the rules, and is thus no longer legit. It is now undisputable fact.

It just makes me feel better. I may not have much great stuff, but at least I'm still legit.

[TheOneHero]

Frankly, I don't give a shit if someone is legit or non-legit.

I just give a shit if they're an ass about it.

[Superguppie]

Keep doing your homework then:
A. There is no reasonable way to check offline players. (It would go against privacy laws.) Doesn't make an offline violation of the ToS legit, but noone could notice of even care.
B. What you do on your own system (in other words, without any relation to others) is your own business. I doubt there is any country where legislation makes the ToS valid for offline play.
C. The sanction for violation the ToS is also given. Anyone cheating offline is at risk of being banned from the online service. Which is exactly what could happen the moment a cheater goes online. The fact that ST hasn't use the ToS to fight cheating is circumstancial.

On the other hand. Duping = cheating. So, anyone duping a SJ, TJ or even a monomate is a cheater. Since it is not possible to distinguish between 'the original' and 'the copy', both are illegit. Online or offline has nothing to do with it. If someone wants to cheat by duping a sword for his friend, and the friend wants this too, who cares? If the whole issue is about 'offline = legit', I agree. Offline does by no means mean legit. Cheating offline may not have consequences for the online community, it still is cheating.
I haven't been in the topic that is referred to, so no idea what we are talking about here. If someone found 1 J-sword, duped it and threw away one of them, that would strictly not be legit. However, 1 found, 1 existing....good enough for me. I have no problem calling that person legit. I myself duped a monomate to see what it was like. Then dumped both of them. Me not legit because of it? Who cares.
To me legit means not in the posession of illegit stuff. And ARed EXP, maxed stats, and other such cheats counts as illegit stuff. It can be argued that EXP gotten while using illegist stuff is illegit stuff itself. But that's more of a pain than a use.
You can be a tight-ass about all this, but it doesn't pay to do so.

[Solstis]

On 2005-04-28 05:19, Superguppie wrote:
Keep doing your homework then:
A. There is no reasonable way to check offline players. (It would go against privacy laws.) Doesn't make an offline violation of the ToS legit, but noone could notice of even care.
B. What you do on your own system (in other words, without any relation to others) is your own business. I doubt there is any country where legislation makes the ToS valid for offline play.
C. The sanction for violation the ToS is also given. Anyone cheating offline is at risk of being banned from the online service. Which is exactly what could happen the moment a cheater goes online. The fact that ST hasn't use the ToS to fight cheating is circumstancial.

On the other hand. Duping = cheating. So, anyone duping a SJ, TJ or even a monomate is a cheater. Since it is not possible to distinguish between 'the original' and 'the copy', both are illegit. Online or offline has nothing to do with it. If someone wants to cheat by duping a sword for his friend, and the friend wants this too, who cares? If the whole issue is about 'offline = legit', I agree. Offline does by no means mean legit. Cheating offline may not have consequences for the online community, it still is cheating.
I haven't been in the topic that is referred to, so no idea what we are talking about here. If someone found 1 J-sword, duped it and threw away one of them, that would strictly not be legit. However, 1 found, 1 existing....good enough for me. I have no problem calling that person legit. I myself duped a monomate to see what it was like. Then dumped both of them. Me not legit because of it? Who cares.
To me legit means not in the posession of illegit stuff. And ARed EXP, maxed stats, and other such cheats counts as illegit stuff. It can be argued that EXP gotten while using illegist stuff is illegit stuff itself. But that's more of a pain than a use.
You can be a tight-ass about all this, but it doesn't pay to do so.



I agree with guppie, though I too have no idea what topic is being referenced.

I used to dupe on the DC back before I knew the moral ramifications of doing so, and for that... well, I have no remorse, especially considering the state of DC PSO by that point.

[digigram]

Red, you still fail to realize, you're a hypocrite every time you try to make an arguement against someone else not being legit.

because you aren't by being here.

And he's trying to make himself feel better by going on and on about the thread in which Trypticon had unsealed the J-sword, then reset the game, duped the Jsword before it was unsealed to test different theories on how it is unsealed and "what ifs".

Furthermore. You ever think that the reason you end up not having friends online in PSO is because you are not liked? Not friendly? abbrasive? think about that a sec, before trying to claim to always know what is going on or crying that it's something else that is causing it.

Redschwar is being a continual fucking crybaby over the fact that he (trypt) duped it and will not stop with this bullshit.

Honestly, I don't think you took the advice and criticism I gave in that PM red. Or else by now you would have realized how much of a god damned idiot you look like pretty much every time you post something about legitimacy.

In short, NO ONE CARES IF YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. If you are an asshole, you could be the most righteous PSO player/person ever and everyone would still think you were an asshole.

So get a hint. knock it off before every last person on these boards hates you and you end up being banned for starting lame arguements such as this one.




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[Saviar]

Okay, I don't post very often, but I like to go through and read. I don't have broadband, and hence no way of playing offline (much to my dismay), but I have to ask:

Why do people care what everyone else does?

Legit...nonlegit...who cares? I do what I do, anyone else can do what they want. The only time I can see someone who is "nonlegit" being prejudiced against is if they're a jerk about it. If they're not, let them do what they want. Why make posts, waste time and your life, to try and make yourself seem right to a bunch of people who (from what I can tell) dont' care what you have to say? It would be like me starting a threat to prove that rabbits grown on farms aren't real rabbits, they're "duped" (in a way of speaking, lol), so they're illegitimate. HA HA HA! I have unveiled the conspiracy...?

But it seems like PSOW is divided into two categories: Legit, and "nonlegit." Isn't the purpose of the game to enjoy it? To get stronger and stronger and make friends? I think so, and in that frame of mind, who does what to what item when and gives it to who doesn't amount to diddly-squat...frankly, if I got something good offline, say...a demo comet, and my friend doesnt' have one, I'll dupe one for him. Because, well, he's my friend, you see? It's like sharing. They even teach you in kindergarten that sharing is good.

Of course don't get me wrong; I [i]completely understand why you make this argument. You believe the game should be played "legitamately." Well, that may be, but that is only what you think. Everyone can respect you for what you think, but in order for that to happen, you have to resepct them as well. So far, I don't see that happening. If some jerkoff kept posting threads about me duping an item to test theories and finally unveil the mystery, well, I have to say I'd be just a little poed.

Sorry, I got a little long-winded. But I hope you see my point, and I have no intention of pissing anyone off, but like everyone else, this is my opinion. I respect yours, but can you respect mine?

[trypticon]

On 2005-04-28 04:10, RedSchwar wrote:

It just proves it as fact. Tryp broke the rules, and is thus no longer legit. It is now undisputable fact.

It just makes me feel better. I may not have much great stuff, but at least I'm still legit.



So... bashing me makes you feel like more of a man? Come on ADE, get off of it. I don't think anybody gives a shit about the SJS anymore, to be honest. So many have amazingly been found recently (bizarre) that it's become just another item. Some tests were called for to determine some long standing questions over it, and the effects of doing some things with it. But I know how you think, believe it or not.

You think that nobody would ever drop a legit SJS on the ground in fear that somebody would take it, the player would get DCd of FSOD, and lose it completely. I don't worry much about such things. The only time I even had it unequiped was when it was in the bank, or I was in a team with good trusted friends, you know, the two I have left in the world it seems. These friends helped with some tests on the sword, and even if they had picked up the sword, and logged off causing me to never see them again, I still don't know if I'd be incredibly upset about it. At least I would know that the sword had gone to somebody I cared about, and not some random item thief. Sure, I'd be upset for a while, or maybe even a long while, but it is something I can get over. I've had untrustworthy friends online in the past, and I've learned to cope with these people changing.

Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. The duplicates are all gone now, and only the single remains. Think what you want about the situation, report me to ST if you really feel it necessary. Or you could also just get back online yourself to continue your hunt for the item in question, because for all your talk about people being attention whores once they found an item like that, I have witnessed you making some outrageous claims of what your own manner would be like once you found it.

Lay your questions behind you, ADE, learn to get along with society again, and let's just put this behind us.

[RedSchwar]

First of all, I'm not ADE. Never met the guy. Did it ever occur to you, with the six hundred thousand PSO subscribors, that you may find one or two with similar sentiments?

Cheating offline may not have consequences for the online community, it still is cheating.

Thank you. This is all I wanted to prove. And I take comfort in it.

Sorry, I got a little long-winded. But I hope you see my point, and I have no intention of pissing anyone off, but like everyone else, this is my opinion. I respect yours, but can you respect mine?

It's hard to respect cheaters. They have to hit "I Agree" to even play the game offline. So if you run into a cheater, you know they've violated the ToS before even getting to know them. When you violate the ToS, it means you've done something OTHER than what you SAID you would do on the contract. This is called lying. It's really hard to "respect someone's way of playing" when it's derived from lying.

Plus Tryp, I've seen you do a lot of really hackky looking stuff in your videos in the past. (Massive numbers of Christmas presents, etc.) So I really have a problem taking any of your accomplishments as legit.

I don't like rules of PSO being broken. Not for humor, not for fun. Not for any reason. I take the game seriously, and when people break the rules for "fun", I take it as an insult.

[trypticon]

On 2005-04-28 11:20, RedSchwar wrote:
First of all, I'm not ADE.



I'm willing to bet you are. How many times do you need to be banned to take a hint?


On 2005-04-28 11:20, RedSchwar wrote:
I don't like rules of PSO being broken. Not for humor, not for fun. Not for any reason. I take the game seriously, and when people break the rules for "fun", I take it as an insult.



Why do you take it as an insult? It's not like you made the game yourself, or even had anything to do with the creation. The christmas presents you pointed out were all legitimate finds, which is apparently unbelievable to you, because you didn't find that many yourself. It doesn't bother me if you don't accept my known finds as legitimate. There is no need for me to point out anything as a personal accomplishment if it isn't legitimate. Take that into account before you bash me again.

What you need to understand, ADE, is that people find different things all the time. Just because you didn't accomplish whatever yourself does not mean that it was impossible. It just means you gave up before you found what the other did.

I take a look at who is where on this site quite often. I notice you gravitate towards anything that has to do with a Sealed J Sword, or of course, the cheaters section. It is a good indication of your personality, you simply can not let go, and that has led you to become what you are today. I get the impression from you that your real life is much like your online life was. The friends are few and far between, and your demands on them, which you really had no right in making, have pushed them away from you. Seriously, I can see why nobody wants to deal with you anymore, because have lost yourself to your own creeds.

This excessive compulsive disorder you demonstrate really needs to be checked out, and possibly medicated. Along with that, the manic depressive side of you needs treatment, and again medication. I can label you with those because you have admitted them before in your true identity, and I share the depressive qualities myself. It's not a fun life for you, but that gives you no reason to take it out on people on a forum. What you require is sit down, face to face time with a psychologist. That goes for a few other people that post on these forums also, but I'm pointing it out to you first, since you have started this thread in order to attack me deliberately.

Do you remember when we were actually friendly with one another? That was as recently as last September. Then you learned I had found a 90 hit Guld, and you flipped out on me. You succeeded in pushing me away with that, although it was really more due to the fact that I was broke and lost my internet connection. You thought at the time that since I had previously shared a dislike of your manner of posting or replying to people, that the entire Guld thing was a joke I was playing on you specifically. Look back on it now, and understand how selfish of you it was to think I would have dwelled on something for so long as to take it out on you almost a year after the original revolt. I understood you had high expectations of people you played with, and I respected that.

Pushing me away with your adamant refusal to accept that somebody might find something good for once is still not understood. But since I have accepted you as a friendly personality in the past, however long ago that may seem now, I am urging you as a friend to seek professional help. You really need it. You can't function in life the way you are doing so now, because in time nobody is going to take you seriously, either online or in your real life. In fact, in real life people will dismiss you much faster than people did online. You need to branch out and seek acceptance from people, and I suggest you start with those you have already pushed away from you. They will have the benefit of remembering you in better times, and this will allow you to fit in better with them for a time. But you must go beyond the simple internet, and find people in your true life that can accept you for the person you are.

Make the call, ADE, you'll be glad you did.



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[RedSchwar]

WTF!!! What can I do to make you believe that isn't me? I'm not talking to you anymore if you keep on calling me that.

[Corey]

Did you think he wanted you to talk to him?

God. The ToS to you is like how you live life.

It's not, take a clue.

[RedSchwar]

Yeah, but when people do go living their lives. They shouldn't lie.

If you break a contract, it's just like lying.

[trypticon]

On 2005-04-28 13:39, RedSchwar wrote:
Yeah, but when people do go living their lives. They shouldn't lie.

If you break a contract, it's just like lying.



If you lie about who you are, it is lying.

What proof do I have that you are he that you claim you are not? Perhaps the fact that every single one of your posts could have easily been copied from one of his and pasted as your own. That's a big clue right there.

What other proof is possible to link the both of you together? You post at PSOP under the name ADE. You post here under the name Redschwar. There are mods from that site that visit this one. If your IP matches in both spots, you've been found out, and will be banned again.

Of course you're not going to admit being him, because if you do, you get banned, and you don't want that. Instead you lie about who you are. You've lied about it before, and you are doing so again here. You are making yourself out to be the double standard in your own argument. Nobody else can ever use anything or do anything that was obtained through the means of hacking. Yet even you have used the guides, the drop rates, the item finding lists, etc. to facilitate your own endeavors, and if you ever decide to continue your hunt for the SJS, I'm betting you'll use what information I've found through testing to guide you in those final steps. You stand by such findings, yet balk at any new information coming out from the same means employed to find the original bits of information for you. You have no right to hold others to such high standards when you refuse to hold yourself up to them.

Really, ADE, back down.

[Mixfortune]

The point before wasn't if trypticon is a cheater or not. The point was whether the unsealed sword itself was legit, which it is. The duped sword was a seperate thing that was later trashed.

It's like saying I found a legit God/Battle duped it to see if the attack bonuses stack, found out they didn't, then deleted the duped God/Battle, thus leaving me with the original one I found. Sure that might make me illegit, but does that make the original found God/Battle that I'm left with illegit? No.

Now stop bringing up and continuing locked topics. They're locked for a reason.

[Mystil]

You know what Red.

This has got old, very old. The game is pretty much done for, this issue is meaningless.



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[RedSchwar]

Even if the posts were from the same IP, it would not prove it is the same person. I use a college campus IP that is linked to several campuses. There are over 200,000 people here. It wouldn't prove anything. Suppose ADE does go to one of those universities, I get banned for it? I got banned from another MB (we were screwing around just to test it), and my neighbor in the dorm was also banned. We tried the computer lab across campus and IT was banned.

I've seriously never met the guy. Stop trying to pin this on him. I checked this "pso-p" and he doesn't even play anymore. Just leave him alone.

I'm just a guy that doesn't like cheating. I don't have to justify my reasons to you.

[SLON]

Yes, we all know that you don't like cheating, it's like a dripping tap. There are plenty of people who don't like cheating, but they have a more mature viewpoint than yourself(Supergruppie for example). Furthermore, if all you have to complain about in life is that someone copied an item on PSO...
I have never duped, hacked, FSoded anyone; I have never accepted any weapon/item on-line offered to me,just in case it was a dupe/hack, but I don't share this ridiculous attitude that you have, either. Got to follow the rules no matter what? Why?? So he cheated - is your life ruined? Has anyone playing PSO had their game spoiled by this?

[RedSchwar]

No. I just hate how people love him for it.

[Saiffy]

On 2005-04-29 06:08, RedSchwar wrote:
No. I just hate how people love him for it.


You so fail it, you obviously don't know Adam at all.



Hell, I've played with him tons of time and have only seen his SJS maybe once. People like him for completely different reasons, if I wanted to like data I would go to a porn site.

[RedSchwar]

I think that's what I need to do.

[Mystil]

On 2005-04-29 00:56, RedSchwar wrote:
Even if the posts were from the same IP, it would not prove it is the same person. I use a college campus IP that is linked to several campuses. There are over 200,000 people here. It wouldn't prove anything. Suppose ADE does go to one of those universities, I get banned for it? I got banned from another MB (we were screwing around just to test it), and my neighbor in the dorm was also banned. We tried the computer lab across campus and IT was banned.

I've seriously never met the guy. Stop trying to pin this on him. I checked this "pso-p" and he doesn't even play anymore. Just leave him alone.

I'm just a guy that doesn't like cheating. I don't have to justify my reasons to you.



You are thought to be ADE because your posting styles are almost the same and the intensity of your beliefs are nearly the same. ADE also did not know when the quit.

[trypticon]

On 2005-04-29 00:56, RedSchwar wrote:
Even if the posts were from the same IP, it would not prove it is the same person. I use a college campus IP that is linked to several campuses.


It wouldn't matter if you were the same person or not in that case. You are responsible for the messages that are transmitted from your IP. And what a coincidence, ADE used a college campus IP that was linked to several campuses also.

You have not realized that in your message you came right out and admitted that there was a chance that the IPs between the two websites would match. You also went forward and informed us that ADE doesn't play anymore. That's great, because you've also informed us in previous threads that you don't play anymore. Another match.


On 2005-04-29 00:56, RedSchwar wrote:
I'm just a guy that doesn't like cheating. I don't have to justify my reasons to you.



I'm a guy who doesn't like cheating also, but I understand the necessity of it in order to shed light on different questions that still remain for this dead game. You say you don't have to justify your reasons for not liking it, and at the same time you insist that everybody justify their own reasons for doing so to you. Again, you are making yourself out to be the only double standard in your ideals.


On 2005-04-29 08:26, Silhouette wrote:

You are thought to be ADE because your posting styles are almost the same and the intensity of your beliefs are nearly the same. ADE also did not know when the quit.



Silhouette is correct in this, but it still isn't pointing out the glaring reality that your own posts are not only similar, but that they are word for word identical to the old rants and raves over the different names you have used here. You have done this to yourself ADE. Again, I'm going to request that you back down. You have lost this duel.



I have seen your recent posts on here ADE. You just don't understand anything. For how smart you make yourself out to be, you are still left in the dark over small things. But being left in the dark is your own fault. Your own ignorance of different behaviors has caused you to be left out in the cold.

Somehow you have gotten the idea that rare items equals out to good friends on PSO. This could not be further from the truth. While some may suggest that I have found what may be the best find in online PSO history, it did not mean I gained any friends because of it. In fact, the find only succeeded in pushing people away from me. You should remember very well the fit you had over it, and the subsequent chasing me around in hopes of giving me a two hour lecture of how duping is the greatest evil known to mankind.

The SJS you were hunting for is the same way. Hunting for it means a disassociation with friends. Hell, you all but refused to play with anybody anymore during your own search. What you didn't understand though was getting the required kill count would spell further disassociation. Good finds mean nothing, because it is just a game. Even though you have stopped playing, ADE, you still view PSO as a central focal point in your life, demonstrated by your continual visits to the different web forums that were errected for the game itself. You need to learn to get past this doomed program that has turned you into this monstrosity of a personality. In fact, I would strongly advise you not to pick up PSO BB as you have been planning to do. It wouldn't matter if you used your known name or not, it would only further prolong your addictions and bury you even more in this self rightous pompous attitude you have over everyone and everything.

I am going to again recomend, as an old friend, that you seek help, and not from friends online, but from a qualified, licensed psychologist. You need it, badly.

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[RedSchwar]

Go ahead and keep on thinking ADE is me. Ban me. I don't care. I'm moving away from campus in two weeks anyway and I'll be with a different IP. But I'm not ADE. So stop calling me that.

The reason I know he doesn't play anymore (which you conveniently left out of your post) is that I CHECKED pso-p and read some of his posts.

I have seen your recent posts on here ADE. You just don't understand anything. For how smart you make yourself out to be, you are still left in the dark over small things. But being left in the dark is your own fault. Your own ignorance of different behaviors has caused you to be left out in the cold.

Barring the fact that I'm not ADE, you would have to elaborate on this. You've provided no evidence. You just stated something without backing it up.



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[ABDUR101]

Hey here's an idea, use the damn PM system so we don't have to read this trash. And for shit's sake, grow up and mind your own business.

You hate how people like him for what he's done? How god damn immature is that? You're mad because people on a gaming forum give someone praise and attention?

I'm starting to think we need to change the site from having an age requirement to a maturity requirement. One of those "You must be able to deal with this |---| much reality before you can post." schemes.

No more topics about this, no more topics about what other people do to point out that they're unlegit or whatever. It's non-debatable.