A Possible answer to the Parasitic Gene: Flow

[REJ-]

This could be the answer to the 0/XX drop rate of PG:F, and how all Dark Weapons are claimed to be Hacked.

There is one major theory on how PG:F came from, and it's that it was hacked into existance, then duped. The claim that an Oran player in Japan, found it is usually deemed false.

I have thought some of it through and came up with some ideas of my own on how it is found.

1) The glitch that caused PG:F to drop, was stumbled opon by that one Oran Player, but when the same event was redone, there was no drop. There is some chance that the first PG:F was found legitimately, but then it couldn't be proven. That one PG:F would also have been duped to hell and back, giving us the many copies that float around now.

2) Hitting OlgaFlow with the Red Weapons, in the order that spells his name, gives you a small chance of the Drop. This could have been how the first PG:F was found. It could have been done by accident even (the first player attacks O.F. with the first weapon, switches to the third while the other player hit with the second, etc). The Drop Anything rate of O.F. is set to 0, but the rare drop rate is said to have supposed to have been 1/64. Killing him in the way that was listed could have reset the Drop Anything rate to 1/64, and when the Drop anything rate = The Rare Drop Rate, the only thing that CAN drop is the Rare Item. The PG:F could have been dropped this way for the Oran Player.

2.1) Same as #2, but instead of it being there after killing O.F., it could have been there after Flowen's spitir leaves, but only the Oran Player went to see him. OlgaFlow = Flowen+the Parasitic Gene, but Flowen appears there without the Gene on him, so when he disappears, the PG:F is left behind.

3) Killing O.F. with ANY Red Weapon, reset the Drop Anything Rate to 1/64. This could have been it because the Oran Player might not have been in a multiplayer game (meaning, he couldn't hit O.F. with all Red Weapons). Also, when it was tried again, it didn't drop. There have been claims of people that say they found PG:F after seeing Flowen, so this could be it.

4) Since the Drop Anything Rate is set to 0, what If he didn't DROP it, but rather GAVE it to you? There could have been a low chance of Flowen giving the Gene:Flow, the same way Kireek gives the Soul Eater. This could be caused by using a Red Weapon, or using all Red Weapons, or Hitting him in the Order that Spells his name.

Any of these, or even some other method could have caused the original PG:F to drop. Eventually, it will come to a point where the real method is revealed.

[VioletSkye]

Heh why are so many people obsessed with this item lol? With the exception of the Dark Bridge, the Dark weps are not very useful. I have no proof, but I still think the only reason anyone had it initially was because someone "hacked" it into the game and duped it. Since item and bank modding really didn't show up (at least not publically) until well after the gene was already out, my bet would be that someone created it by packet editing (kinda like you can do now for PSOBB.)

[REJ-]

I don't believe it was "Hacked into existance", but rather found and duped. Also, I have my reasons for this thread, such as how some people that have Dark Weapons that are accused of being unlegit, might actually be legit, and for some of the "hardcore" legits out there, you could now have a chance to see Rico's spirit without a hacked/unlegit item. This could also get stickyed http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Saffran]

The Parasite Gene Flow is an SS drop from Olga Flow in all IDs on Ultimate and the official Game book says the drop was disabled. End of story.

[VioletSkye]

If it ever has a chance of being found legitimately, I think it would most likely be from a quest or series of quests that unlock the drop. The drop is set to 0 as you know and even if you use a code (say the Rare Drop Code) neither Falz nor Flow drop anything, let alone a Gene or Red Ring. So it makes sense that only some type of event or series of events would trigger it to be dropped (or possibly rewarded for completing said quest(s).) I can't rule out that performing specific things (possibly in a specific order) might cause the item to drop or be given as a reward, but you would think that with so many people playing it for so many hours that someone else would have triggered it also.

Why is it so hard to believe that someone brought it into the game through unlegit means. Take the hacked mags for instance, someone had to initially create the first one (since it can't be made through normal game play.)

[Hrith]

Game data and ST themselves say the Falz/Olga drops are disabled, and yet some still pretend it's possible to get them. Beats me.

[DezoPenguin]

On 2005-09-11 12:55, VioletSkye wrote:

Why is it so hard to believe that someone brought it into the game through unlegit means. Take the hacked mags for instance, someone had to initially create the first one (since it can't be made through normal game play.)



Hope springs eternal. Specifically, the hope that "One day, if I follow these arcane steps that I made up in my head, I too will own a legitimate Dark Flow/Dark Bridge/Dark Meteor/whatever!!!!!" Kinda like how the beat time theory won't die either.

[Jarek]

Using the search function for any of the words "Parasitic Gene: Flow", I quit counting the topics after I got to 500. I know not all of them are directly related to this, but come on...http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

If you're ever going to make a topic about this, just search for all the others and look over them. Then ask yourself, "Do we really need another topic about the same thing?"
I'd hope the answer would be no.

[Tycho]

On 2005-09-11 11:38, REJ- wrote:

1) The glitch that caused PG:F to drop, was stumbled opon by that one Oran Player, but when the same event was redone, there was no drop. There is some chance that the first PG:F was found legitimately, but then it couldn't be proven. That one PG:F would also have been duped to hell and back, giving us the many copies that float around now.

2) Hitting OlgaFlow with the Red Weapons, in the order that spells his name, gives you a small chance of the Drop. This could have been how the first PG:F was found. It could have been done by accident even (the first player attacks O.F. with the first weapon, switches to the third while the other player hit with the second, etc). The Drop Anything rate of O.F. is set to 0, but the rare drop rate is said to have supposed to have been 1/64. Killing him in the way that was listed could have reset the Drop Anything rate to 1/64, and when the Drop anything rate = The Rare Drop Rate, the only thing that CAN drop is the Rare Item. The PG:F could have been dropped this way for the Oran Player.

2.1) Same as #2, but instead of it being there after killing O.F., it could have been there after Flowen's spitir leaves, but only the Oran Player went to see him. OlgaFlow = Flowen+the Parasitic Gene, but Flowen appears there without the Gene on him, so when he disappears, the PG:F is left behind.

3) Killing O.F. with ANY Red Weapon, reset the Drop Anything Rate to 1/64. This could have been it because the Oran Player might not have been in a multiplayer game (meaning, he couldn't hit O.F. with all Red Weapons). Also, when it was tried again, it didn't drop. There have been claims of people that say they found PG:F after seeing Flowen, so this could be it.

4) Since the Drop Anything Rate is set to 0, what If he didn't DROP it, but rather GAVE it to you? There could have been a low chance of Flowen giving the Gene:Flow, the same way Kireek gives the Soul Eater. This could be caused by using a Red Weapon, or using all Red Weapons, or Hitting him in the Order that Spells his name.


Drop-anything rates are percentages, usually they're numbers like 35%, 80% or 100%. 1/64 sounds unlikely for a DAR, and even if it did exist, this would mean that the drop rate including DAR would be 1/64 * 1/64. If the drop rate is 1/64, there is no way for the drop (if it does drop) to always be the PG:F. Since the rate is 1/64, it'd only be a rare one in 64 times the box did drop at all.

1) Yes. The rumor wasn't confirmed, but even after all this time we still have no confirmations of PG:F drops that are not really suspicious, nor have any finds been done by people that were most likely looking for attention.
2) This is possible, though I'd be surprised if noone tried it before. That being said, it doesn't really seem logical, it's a kinda rumor-ish theory.
2.1) It's only a rumor that Flowen would drop the box. Why does anyone believe this, seeing as it's based on no evidence whatsoever?
3) Nah. A lot of times people defeated Olga while hitting it with a Red weapon to see Flowen, but I have yet to hear of a box drop. As stated above, the DAR wouldn't be so low as 1/64 anyway. The lowest DAR in the game (not counting 0%, dur) is 10%, from Recon.
4) He gave it to you? Then this would not be connected to the 0/64 Olga drop anymore. Because of that, your theory doesn't rely on any effects other than 'the PG:F is related to Olga/Flowen' anymore. I doubt the ghosts would have dialogue so they could 'give' the rares to you in the first place. If the drop is broken according to game data, there's no way for us to change that.

[REJ-]

On 2005-09-11 13:20, Tycho wrote:

Drop-anything rates are percentages, usually they're numbers like 35%, 80% or 100%. 1/64 sounds unlikely for a DAR, and even if it did exist, this would mean that the drop rate including DAR would be 1/64 * 1/64. If the drop rate is 1/64, there is no way for the drop (if it does drop) to always be the PG:F. Since the rate is 1/64, it'd only be a rare one in 64 times the box did drop at all.




What I meant was that the Drop Anything rate would be aligned with the Rare Drop rate. i.e. 1/64 chance of the Red Box being dropped when you kill him, or 1/64 DAR * 100%.


On 2005-09-11 12:55, VioletSkye wrote:
If it ever has a chance of being found legitimately, I think it would most likely be from a quest or series of quests that unlock the drop. The drop is set to 0 as you know and even if you use a code (say the Rare Drop Code) neither Falz nor Flow drop anything, let alone a Gene or Red Ring. So it makes sense that only some type of event or series of events would trigger it to be dropped (or possibly rewarded for completing said quest(s).) I can't rule out that performing specific things (possibly in a specific order) might cause the item to drop or be given as a reward, but you would think that with so many people playing it for so many hours that someone else would have triggered it also.

Why is it so hard to believe that someone brought it into the game through unlegit means. Take the hacked mags for instance, someone had to initially create the first one (since it can't be made through normal game play.)



I know about how the disabled drop rate, but thats why I mentioned the possibility of something triggering the reset of the Drop anything rate. Also, when "you would think that with so many people playing it for so many hours that someone else would have triggered it also", only a few of them would have done the sequence that resets the rate to 1/64, and even fewer would have gotten the drop. When those few claim that they have found a legit PG:F, they are just assumed to be lying, so in a way, you are already ruling out the possibility "that performing specific things (possibly in a specific order) might cause the item to drop or be given as a reward."



Hope springs eternal. Specifically, the hope that "One day, if I follow these arcane steps that I made up in my head, I too will own a legitimate Dark Flow/Dark Bridge/Dark Meteor/whatever!!!!!" Kinda like how the beat time theory won't die either.



Yes, I also have theories concerning the beat time theory

[Saiffy]

I did 3 seabed runs on 2 different IDs with an AR code so monsters drop their rares 98% of the time.

Olga Flow dropped nothing any of the times because he has a 0% DAR, and this code doesn't touch the DAR.


It can't be found, deal with it.

[Sizzors]

On 2005-09-11 14:08, Saiffy wrote:
I did 3 seabed runs on 2 different IDs with an AR code so monsters drop their rares 98% of the time.

Olga Flow dropped nothing any of the times because he has a 0% DAR, and this code doesn't touch the DAR.


It can't be found, deal with it.



That doesn't make since, if it was the DAR as you refer it to be, then someone would have made/found a code to increase the DAR to 90-100%. So what's been stoping people from doing that?

[Mixfortune]

On 2005-09-11 14:16, Sizzors wrote:

On 2005-09-11 14:08, Saiffy wrote:
I did 3 seabed runs on 2 different IDs with an AR code so monsters drop their rares 98% of the time.

Olga Flow dropped nothing any of the times because he has a 0% DAR, and this code doesn't touch the DAR.


It can't be found, deal with it.



That doesn't make since, if it was the DAR as you refer it to be, then someone would have made/found a code to increase the DAR to 90-100%. So what's been stoping people from doing that?



I'm not even sure if the DAR is touchable anyways, but even if it is...

That doesn't help supposed legitimate means of obtaining the Gene. Saiffwin (yes I'm still going to call you Saiffwin) just says what happened in his post to attempt to deter from a situation where it could drop the Gene but just at a very low rate, since the code used would simply pass that hindrance.

Affecting DAR wouldn't be legitimate, obviously.

[Saiffy]

I repeat, the code doesn't tamper with the DAR. It makes it so if an enemy does drop an item, there's a very good chance it'll be it's rare. The monster can however still drop nothing at all or not their rare. Since Olga Flow never drops anything, it doesn't even get to the point of picking whether it's rare drops, or anything else.

[REJ-]

On 2005-09-11 14:27, Saiffy wrote:
I repeat, the code doesn't tamper with the DAR. It makes it so if an enemy does drop an item, there's a very good chance it'll be it's rare. The monster can however still drop nothing at all or not their rare. Since Olga Flow never drops anything, it doesn't even get to the point of picking whether it's rare drops, or anything else.



I think you missed the part where I said that there would be some sequence that resets the DAR to have a chance of dropping something, and that the Rare drop rate would be 100% if one item did drop. I fail to see any reason ST would make an item that was unaccessible, when they could have used the space that data takes up for something that helps the game.

[Delfi]

Interresting theories 10/10 for creativity !!

Personally i believe that anyone who claims to have found red ring or PG:F legitimately are telling lies, and yes i have seen people who have claimed to have found it.

My favourite was an argument in the lobby with a total noob who tried to convince the lobby he found it in seabed and guess what he said,,!!






any ideas??




No ok i shall tell you he reckoned it dropped from a normal seabed monster not olga flow - Lmao like anyones gonna believe that???

As for your theory on hitting him with all red weapons - come on dude -GET REAL.If this was the case then surely there would be weapons which spelt out rico and they would be used on falz to get the red ring?? but these dont exist - so ..GET REAL!

I think you will find that the PG:F and the Red ring were on time release like a lot of the weapons on the dreamcast version but seeing as ST are now focussing their efforts on BB and PSU i think we can safely say they will never put in the patches or quests which let you find the afore mentioned items.

Keep them theories coming though they make interresting reading.

[Saiffy]

On 2005-09-11 14:56, REJ- wrote:
I think you missed the part where I said that there would be some sequence that resets the DAR to have a chance of dropping something, and that the Rare drop rate would be 100% if one item did drop.

Have fun with that idea.
I fail to see any reason ST would make an item that was unaccessible
Al/Rappy
Rings without special boosts
Rings with wrong special boost
Elenor Mag
Book of Katana 1, 2 and 2
Photon Crystal(GC, anyways)
Weapons Bronze, Silver, Gold, Crystal, Steel, Alluminum, Leather and Bone Badges
Letter of appreceation


Care for me to continue?

[Sizzors]

On 2005-09-11 15:05, Saiffy wrote:


Care for me to continue?



Actually, I would, and I'm not being smart, I'm just curious.

[Delfi]

On 2005-09-11 15:05, Saiffy wrote:

Book of Katana 1, 2 and 2
Photon Crystal(GC, anyways)



Photon crystals have a use in BB. and books of katans were used to convert agito 1975 to oratagito in the DC version of pso.I think there were 4 of these.

[VioletSkye]

PHOTON CRYSTAL
BOOK OF KATANA 1
BOOK OF KATANA 2
BOOK OF KATANA 3
WEAPONS BRONZE BADGE
WEAPONS SILVER BADGE
WEAPONS GOLD BADGE
WEAPONS CRYSTAL BADGE
WEAPONS STEEL BADGE
WEAPONS ALUMINUM BADGE
WEAPONS LEATHER BADGE
WEAPONS BONE BADGE
LETTER OF APPRECIATION
AUTOGRAPH ALBUM
NEWYEAR'S CARD
CHRISTMAS CARD
BIRTHDAY CARD
PROOF OF SONIC TEAM
SPECIAL EVENT TICKET
SILVER BADGE
GOLD BADGE
CRYSTAL BADGE
IRON BADGE
ALUMINUM BADGE
LEATHER BADGE
BONE BADGE
DECOCTION
DISK VOL.4
DISK VOL.5
WEAPONS SILVER SHIELD
WEAPONS COPPER SHIELD
WEAPONS GOLD SHIELD
AL RAPPY
GOD UNIT ++ items
ELENOR MAG
PGF (Parasitic Gene: Flow)

Am I missing any?

These are for GC btw.


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[Saiffy]

On 2005-09-11 15:44, Delfi wrote:
Photon crystals have a use in BB. and books of katans were used to convert agito 1975 to oratagito in the DC version of pso.I think there were 4 of these.


I'm aware of it's usefulness in BB, and for the books I was going by version 3 data.


Violet, you're missing God/Unit-(-) http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[CupOfCoffee]

I fail to see any reason ST would make an item that was unaccessible, when they could have used the space that data takes up for something that helps the game.

It's because ST is silly and they make all sorts of stupid items that they either forget about or just don't ever end up using, as you can see from the rather extensive lists above.

People always seem to forget that PSO is imperfect before anything else. To assume that Sonic Team managed to put together a flawless system of rares in which every item that was created was used in the final product (while keeping in mind that they screwed up virtually every other aspect of the game to a certain degree) just seems... well, naive. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. Just don't forget that in almost every game involving items, there are dead pieces of code that the creators start out with and then just don't bother taking out of the game before it's released. Hot Coffee mod, anyone? How about that flamethrower thing they had in Halo? Or maybe that spot for the pieces of the Triforce on the menu screen of Ocarina of Time?

Edit: Another thing I wanted to bring up was the concept of Occam's Razor. What's really more likely, that ST thought up this gigantic, elaborate system for unlocking Olga Flow's rare drop only to deny its existance time and again... or that they simply decided not to make the Gene Flow an attainable item? Any way you look at it, you have to at some point take into consideration ST's laziness and the fact that they generally don't do anything they don't absolutely have to. If they wanted us to be running around with Dark Flows, they would've just given Olga a feasible DAR. Speculation? Maybe, but it's not wild speculation. There's nothing outrageous in assuming that ST was just being ST when they locked up the Gene and threw away the key.



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[Lusky]

Ok, Say someone( a legit I guess) found pgf. We would need someone to prove this because no one here is impressed with screen shots. Yet no one can suffice this task. So never being proven no one could say " Omg the rumers are true I found pgf" they are immeaditly labled a liar or Hacker. So to everyone its pretty much case closed no pgf.

[SLON]

This game has been out for a long time; if there was a legitimate drop, however rare, it would be common knowledge by now. You guys talk as if this is a brand new game, with lots of secrets in it to discover; it isn't!! No matter what arguments you put forward, the accepted viewpoint is that it cannot be found without hacking. End of Story.

[Feelmirath]

I might be going off topic a bit, but does anybody know WHY the DAR was disabled?
I probably should have asked this earlier, but it just came into mind about a minute ago XS

[DezoPenguin]

On 2005-09-11 15:55, Saiffy wrote:

On 2005-09-11 15:44, Delfi wrote:
Photon crystals have a use in BB. and books of katans were used to convert agito 1975 to oratagito in the DC version of pso.I think there were 4 of these.


I'm aware of it's usefulness in BB, and for the books I was going by version 3 data.



The BoK (of which there are 3) didn't have anything to do with the Orotiagito in DC, either; you just took the 1975 Agito to the tekker in Seek My Master just as you do on GC. The BoK were just part of the story "mystique." Which they achieved very nicely; rumors like that were everywhere. ^_-

(None of which is to be confused with the Book of Hitogata in GC, which is used to make the Dancing Hitogata...but that's neither here nor there).

[REJ-]

Well, now seeing as how ST is too lazy for their own good(and for the good of their games, not that they don't make good games though), and just left the stuff there, the PG:F is probably just one of those items. I think ST should actually try to fix their games up a bit more. Well, I guess there are still other theories to solve http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Sizzors]

Tray asking Nintendo to do that, do you know how many things in the Metriod Prime games are just sittting there, half of there models start to lag when you scan them 100+ times, the grapple beams range varies on what level you're on, and I can go on. How about asking bungie to explain about all the weapons cut from Halo 2, including the flamethrower (cut out, just like Halo 1)? Then go over to Insomniac and ask them why some missions got cut out of Metropolis (Did anyone notice the levels have gravity boot ledges and the terrain IS walkable for ratchet). No game is perfect, especially this one, you're making a VERY poor arguement, know boths sides of this arguement before point fingers at people or even ST, not matter how screwed up they are about games (Sonic Hero's is the worst sonic game EVER, story is horrible).

Edit: Grammatical error.

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[REJ-]

On 2005-09-12 17:49, Sizzors wrote:
Tray asking Nintendo to do that, do you know how many things in the Metriod Prime games are just sittting there, half of there models start to lag when you scan them 100+ times, the grapple beams range varies on what level you're on, and I can go on. How about asking bungie to explain about all the weapons cut from Halo 2, including the flamethrower (cut out, just like Halo 1)? Then go over to Insomniac and ask them why some missions got cut out of Metropolis (Did anyone notice the levels have gravity boot ledges and the terrain IS walkable for ratchet). No game is perfect, especially this one, you're making a VERY poor arguement, know boths sides of this arguement before point fingers at people or even ST, not matter how screwed up they are about games (Sonic Hero's is the worst sonic game EVER, story is horrible).

Edit: Grammatical error.

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No, not every game is perfect, but it is possible to fix things that have been in for many versions(GC is version 3 already, and BB is the 4th to come out, with a bunch of dead bits of code left in from the first version).



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[Sizzors]

With PSU on it's way to release do you think they have the time or money to fix this stuff? Scratch that they do have the money, but most likely not the time, I bet Sony is rushing this game becuase of Microsoft boycotting the PS3 luanch with Halo 3. Focus on their capabilities right now, it's a 3 year old game, GC is getting little to none attention from ST, they only care about hackers ruining HL sales, so what's the point of updating it, go buy AR and make a Dark Flow.

[trypticon]

On 2005-09-12 18:12, Sizzors wrote:
go buy AR and make a Dark Flow.



People like yourself are the problem that PSO has faced countless times before. You make excuses for things, and then give up in the end because you don't want to spend the time to figure things out for yourself.

At the present moment, there is no known way to change the drop anything rate on Flow from 0%. There may be a series of events that need to be triggered in order to change that rate, but with a drop rate of 1 in 64 even after the series has been triggered, it's not something people would be seeing for sure. The only reason I think there must be a way to get the chance of Flow dropping something is because ST made it far too easy to see Flowen after killing Olga Flow, and you'd need something that Olga Flow drops in order to be able to see Rico at all after killing Falz. It's most likely a series of events that haven't been figured out yet, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to do, it just hasn't been figured out yet.

For the people thinking I'm smoking something to even suggest that there could still be secrets in a game as old as PSO, I want to remind you that old games can still harbor secrets. Just think how long it took to finally figure a rough estimate of kills needed for the Sealed J Sword. Or Think of Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball for a moment. I'm not sure if it's been publicized at all on how to reach GOD MODE on that. What I do know is that nobody knew about it until a year or two after its release when the maker hinted at it in an interview. Even after that, I'm not sure anybody was able to figure out how to unlock that mode, but it is there, and it is unlockable without cheating. The same could very well apply to the drop anything rate of Olga Flow.
We just need some people who are up for going against popular opinions thrown around by a number of bullies at a certain PSO website.

[Sizzors]

I'm not trying to bully him, he's just trying to blame ST for not updating a 3 year old game. It's not there fault, I do believe that it should be out, but ST doesn't have a solid reason to realese it, they have PSU and BB to work on, plus I know that there are more Sonic games coming out.


Do I think that theres a way to get it legitimately? Yes I do, but bugging ST about it is wrong, so I said that becuase if he's that desperate for it then, for right now, that's his answer. I personally have theories on how to get it. I think it might have something to do with the Red Weapons and Dark Falz, the hitting the OF with the red weapons in order intrigues me. I also wonder that when you use the Red Scorpion Flowen doesn't appear for me. Plus the Red scorpio has no letters on it, that's another thing someone can look into.

And for you, shaming me for that does you no good, there's an equal chance of there NOT being a way to get it, then what I said about getting AR would be right, though you're right, it takes 1 person to discredit an entire idea, and I'm not trying to do that, becuase he could be focusing on other theories just as good, without pointing a finger at ST.

[REJ-]

What I was mainly trying to say was that a dead bit of coding would have been removed after 3 and atleast by the 4th version. Since ST didn't remove it, it might not be as "dead" as it seems. As for PSO not having any secrets anymore, remember the TJ-Sword. People went through tons of theories to figure it out, and before they could explain how it was made, anyone who owned one would be accused of being unlegit. The theory of a 1/64 DAR can't be put down so quickly, cause if you think about it, how many people would have actually gone through the sequence that causes it? Only 1/64 of them would have even gotten the drop. And as for pointing fingers at ST:


On 2005-09-11 16:23, CupOfCoffee wrote:
I fail to see any reason ST would make an item that was unaccessible, when they could have used the space that data takes up for something that helps the game.

It's because ST is silly and they make all sorts of stupid items that they either forget about or just don't ever end up using, as you can see from the rather extensive lists above.




My pointing out was more of a:


On 2005-09-12 17:58, REJ- wrote:

No, not every game is perfect, but it is possible to fix things that have been in for many versions(GC is version 3 already, and BB is the 4th to come out, with a bunch of dead bits of code left in from the first version).

[CupOfCoffee]

On 2005-09-14 14:47, REJ- wrote:
What I was mainly trying to say was that a dead bit of coding would have been removed after 3 and atleast by the 4th version. Since ST didn't remove it, it might not be as "dead" as it seems.


The Gamecube version was Olga Flow's debut. There was no previous version where PG:F, much less all of Episode 2, even existed. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Also, I stand by my finger pointing. I'll happily point a finger at any game company for leaving bits of dead code in their products. Almost every game has some--it's no new phenomenon. I wasn't necessarily saying ST did something wrong, either, but I'm not gonna take back my "there are bits of dead code in the PSO games" statement. Heck, I even had some dead code in the programs I wrote for C++ and Java class my junior year of high school. It's really nothing all that exciting or scandalous.



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[REJ-]

Oops, I forgot EP2 wasn't in the first 2 versions, my bad. Well, now I know that if I ever become a game designer, I have to make sure there's no dead bits of code left in whatever game I might make.




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[Superguppie]

PG:F was probably put in so they could someday make something to bring closure to the story. Rico's Spirit sitting on the monument is a great icon for the end of the story. (I've seen her when I wasn't aware of the Dark Weapons being the result of hacking. And now I never will again.)
I consider the fact that PG:F was to be obtained from Ep2 (if at all) a sign that it is the real ending of the story, with Ep2 just giving some extra depth to the story of Ep1.

Sadly, the GC version hasn't lived long enough to see the end of the story. (At least without cheating.) And I doubt I will play BB long enough to see it. Especialy since I get the feeling ST thinks of Ep4 is more important now. Too bad I will never get the feeling of closure on Ep1&2.
From what I know, there are more items already there that were never released. ST simply didn't get to making whatever they had in mind to release it. For whoever is sticking with BB, I hope it will live long enough for ST to get back to the original plan, release the rest of the items, and end Ep1&2 properly.

[Derek0660]

On 2005-09-11 11:38, REJ- wrote:
This could be the answer to the 0/XX drop rate of PG:F, and how all Dark Weapons are claimed to be Hacked.

There is one major theory on how PG:F came from, and it's that it was hacked into existance, then duped. The claim that an Oran player in Japan, found it is usually deemed false.

I have thought some of it through and came up with some ideas of my own on how it is found.

1) The glitch that caused PG:F to drop, was stumbled opon by that one Oran Player, but when the same event was redone, there was no drop. There is some chance that the first PG:F was found legitimately, but then it couldn't be proven. That one PG:F would also have been duped to hell and back, giving us the many copies that float around now.

2) Hitting OlgaFlow with the Red Weapons, in the order that spells his name, gives you a small chance of the Drop. This could have been how the first PG:F was found. It could have been done by accident even (the first player attacks O.F. with the first weapon, switches to the third while the other player hit with the second, etc). The Drop Anything rate of O.F. is set to 0, but the rare drop rate is said to have supposed to have been 1/64. Killing him in the way that was listed could have reset the Drop Anything rate to 1/64, and when the Drop anything rate = The Rare Drop Rate, the only thing that CAN drop is the Rare Item. The PG:F could have been dropped this way for the Oran Player.

2.1) Same as #2, but instead of it being there after killing O.F., it could have been there after Flowen's spitir leaves, but only the Oran Player went to see him. OlgaFlow = Flowen+the Parasitic Gene, but Flowen appears there without the Gene on him, so when he disappears, the PG:F is left behind.

3) Killing O.F. with ANY Red Weapon, reset the Drop Anything Rate to 1/64. This could have been it because the Oran Player might not have been in a multiplayer game (meaning, he couldn't hit O.F. with all Red Weapons). Also, when it was tried again, it didn't drop. There have been claims of people that say they found PG:F after seeing Flowen, so this could be it.

4) Since the Drop Anything Rate is set to 0, what If he didn't DROP it, but rather GAVE it to you? There could have been a low chance of Flowen giving the Gene:Flow, the same way Kireek gives the Soul Eater. This could be caused by using a Red Weapon, or using all Red Weapons, or Hitting him in the Order that Spells his name.

Any of these, or even some other method could have caused the original PG:F to drop. Eventually, it will come to a point where the real method is revealed.



Haven't you realized that there ixn't any character class that can equip all the red weapons?

[REJ-]

2 player game: 1 ranger, 1 hunter. That's all it takes to hit OF with all Red Weapons. Haven't you noticed the part where I mentioned multiplayer?

[Corey]

There's a Parasitic Gene Flou in V2 if that matters for anything. V3 maybe had the name changed to Flow or maybe a spelling error? I don't believe Flou is in GC anymore either but I'm not 100% sure.

However Flou was of no use in V2 either so...

[Derek0660]

The Gamecube version was Olga Flow's debut. There was no previous version where PG:F, much less all of Episode 2, even existed.

Also, I stand by my finger pointing. I'll happily point a finger at any game company for leaving bits of dead code in their products. Almost every game has some--it's no new phenomenon. I wasn't necessarily saying ST did something wrong, either, but I'm not gonna take back my "there are bits of dead code in the PSO games" statement. Heck, I even had some dead code in the programs I wrote for C++ and Java class my junior year of high school. It's really nothing all that exciting or scandalous.



That's not just a little dead code. If it's making this much controversy, don't you think ST left it in there so you could get it? I mean, it creates a whole new set of weapons.

Also ever think that ST left it in the game to see if anyone could get it by hacking?

[Corey]

On 2005-09-29 16:20, Derek0660 wrote:


The Gamecube version was Olga Flow's debut. There was no previous version where PG:F, much less all of Episode 2, even existed.

Also, I stand by my finger pointing. I'll happily point a finger at any game company for leaving bits of dead code in their products. Almost every game has some--it's no new phenomenon. I wasn't necessarily saying ST did something wrong, either, but I'm not gonna take back my "there are bits of dead code in the PSO games" statement. Heck, I even had some dead code in the programs I wrote for C++ and Java class my junior year of high school. It's really nothing all that exciting or scandalous.



That's not just a little dead code. If it's making this much controversy, don't you think ST left it in there so you could get it? I mean, it creates a whole new set of weapons.

Also ever think that ST left it in the game to see if anyone could get it by hacking?



I'd explain to you how the latter is wrong, but. Eh. I don't feel like it.

Almost every game has content that was not meant to be accessed but was left inside the game's data...

[Phazer]

On 2005-09-14 13:32, Sizzors wrote:
I'm not trying to bully him, he's just trying to blame ST for not updating a 3 year old game. It's not there fault, I do believe that it should be out, but ST doesn't have a solid reason to realese it, they have PSU and BB to work on, plus I know that there are more Sonic games coming out.


Do I think that theres a way to get it legitimately? Yes I do, but bugging ST about it is wrong, so I said that becuase if he's that desperate for it then, for right now, that's his answer. I personally have theories on how to get it. I think it might have something to do with the Red Weapons and Dark Falz, the hitting the OF with the red weapons in order intrigues me. I also wonder that when you use the Red Scorpion Flowen doesn't appear for me. Plus the Red scorpio has no letters on it, that's another thing someone can look into.

And for you, shaming me for that does you no good, there's an equal chance of there NOT being a way to get it, then what I said about getting AR would be right, though you're right, it takes 1 person to discredit an entire idea, and I'm not trying to do that, becuase he could be focusing on other theories just as good, without pointing a finger at ST.

well i have news for you, its nearly impossible to get ar codes on gcor xbox got pso, ive tried everywhere

[Phazer]

well this weekend im having a friend over to play pso so maby if we find one we can put an end to the mith and make it a reality

i serriously doubt we will find much of anything when we kill him though

also you people have been asking why cant we believe its just hacked, well ive got an question for you, why cant you believe you can get it legit?

what if there was a 0.000000000000000000000000001% chance of getting it nothing is impossible

[VioletSkye]

On 2005-09-29 18:54, Phazer wrote:
well i have news for you, its nearly impossible to get ar codes on gcor xbox got pso, ive tried everywhere

Uhhhh, not its not. Its very easy to get codes for GC PSO.


On 2005-09-29 19:01, Phazer wrote:
also you people have been asking why cant we believe its just hacked, well ive got an question for you, why cant you believe you can get it legit?

Because noone ever has. At least I've never seen any proof of it.


nothing is impossible

Actually, some things are impossible. It's impossible that people will let these stupid threads die and quit bringing them up http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Lastly, instead of double posting, just use the edit button http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/edit.gif

[Getintothegame]

I really hate to do this, but this topic is headed in the wrong direction.

Parasitic Gene: Flow cannot be found. Simple as that, which is sad, but like Ian said, there are items in games that are never used in game, but left there anyway.

PG:F will never be able to be found on Gamecube/Xbox legitimately. PSOBB, on the other hand, could be patched to allow the drop, but until then...