Lenard
Nov 1, 2005, 09:27 PM
everyone speaks of guns like they have such knowledge and authority (not that i am the ultimate authority, but i have alot of experiance), they compare the preformance of guns in videogames to the preformance of guns in real life. people have skewed views on firearms and i feel the urge to set u all straight once and for all. the following is a post from another site that which had an arguement over which was better the M9 or the M1911 and a debate of the 9mm round vs the .45 round incorporating stopping power, weight, etc. people sighted other guns such as the deagle calling them great and ammazing etc, i felt the urge to correct their skewed views on guns and for the hell of it homework sucks. so here it is, if you have anything to add please do.
all of you people's firearms knowledge is lacking and your ignorance has left me cringing, please allow me to educate you. first lets start off with how many of you are old enough to own a real pistol or rifle for that matter/have actually shot a pistol and hit what you are shooting at. for those of you who havent, a pistol is much diffeent than a rifle, its alot harder to shoot, you have almost no support, shorter barrel etc. although because of your experiences with airsoft pistols i do not doubt your accuracy, somethings are the same. secondly the deagle comes in 3 calibers, not only 1, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .50AE (action express a.k.a. mag ) the .50AE is the one that most people know about and goes by the name of Desert Eagle Mark XIX (19) there are various models. a desert eagle in the mark XIX (19) form weighs almost 4 1/2 pounds with an empty magazine in the handle thus, making it unweildy. plus the ammo is heavy and may not shoot as fast as smaller caliber weapons(this im not 100% sure about but it is a reasonable inference)and the general idea is if Y rounds are fired down range you should be killing X bad guys (Y represents more or a greater number). thrid, a 9mm bullet will kill or stop most people with 1-3 shots, THERE WILL BE SPECIAL CASES, you underestimate the power of the round. a hallow point 9mm bullet goes through you and your kevlar vest (at around 22 ft. but it also fragments and makes big exit wounds) so its gonna hurt no matter where or how many times you're shot. fourth, the army adopted the M9 because it is lighter, has a higher magzine capacity, apparently cheaper, and more ammmo can be carried in comparison to the M1911. this scenario can be compared to the adoption of the M16 and near discountinued use of the M14; army leaders were reluctant to adopt the M16 becasue of the smaller caliber but in reality , .223(M16) has (to my recolection) just about the same velocity or higher than that of the 7.62x51mm (M14) bullet and is for sure much more manigable becasue of its lower weight and recoil. therefore, i doubt the M1911 will be re-entered into service in its full entirety (yes i realize it is still used a bit), i have talked to army personel who actually work with firearms that say they are going to be phasing out the M9 soon (and they say so with such joy!). fifth, take into account body armor, tactical vest containing magaizines, and anything and everything other people could be wearing when they are shot which can stop/slow the velocity of the bullets to a point where it does little or nothing; if you are shot in the chest through a tactical vest, magazine, and the kevlar lining (assuming there is any), that bullet isnt going to do as much as it would when it just simply struck you in the chest missing all obstructions. and finnally, i dont care who you are, no matter what caliber of bullet you are shot by be it .22 or .50 you're gonna feel it and most likely will be hurting from it. if i put 3 9mm or .45 bullets (for you .45 lovers) in your chest you are most likely going to die or be mortally wounded. and before you question my firearms authority, i am a a NRA member and have acheived the rank of Distinguished Expert. all i have written has come from experiance.
all of you people's firearms knowledge is lacking and your ignorance has left me cringing, please allow me to educate you. first lets start off with how many of you are old enough to own a real pistol or rifle for that matter/have actually shot a pistol and hit what you are shooting at. for those of you who havent, a pistol is much diffeent than a rifle, its alot harder to shoot, you have almost no support, shorter barrel etc. although because of your experiences with airsoft pistols i do not doubt your accuracy, somethings are the same. secondly the deagle comes in 3 calibers, not only 1, .357 mag, .44 mag, and .50AE (action express a.k.a. mag ) the .50AE is the one that most people know about and goes by the name of Desert Eagle Mark XIX (19) there are various models. a desert eagle in the mark XIX (19) form weighs almost 4 1/2 pounds with an empty magazine in the handle thus, making it unweildy. plus the ammo is heavy and may not shoot as fast as smaller caliber weapons(this im not 100% sure about but it is a reasonable inference)and the general idea is if Y rounds are fired down range you should be killing X bad guys (Y represents more or a greater number). thrid, a 9mm bullet will kill or stop most people with 1-3 shots, THERE WILL BE SPECIAL CASES, you underestimate the power of the round. a hallow point 9mm bullet goes through you and your kevlar vest (at around 22 ft. but it also fragments and makes big exit wounds) so its gonna hurt no matter where or how many times you're shot. fourth, the army adopted the M9 because it is lighter, has a higher magzine capacity, apparently cheaper, and more ammmo can be carried in comparison to the M1911. this scenario can be compared to the adoption of the M16 and near discountinued use of the M14; army leaders were reluctant to adopt the M16 becasue of the smaller caliber but in reality , .223(M16) has (to my recolection) just about the same velocity or higher than that of the 7.62x51mm (M14) bullet and is for sure much more manigable becasue of its lower weight and recoil. therefore, i doubt the M1911 will be re-entered into service in its full entirety (yes i realize it is still used a bit), i have talked to army personel who actually work with firearms that say they are going to be phasing out the M9 soon (and they say so with such joy!). fifth, take into account body armor, tactical vest containing magaizines, and anything and everything other people could be wearing when they are shot which can stop/slow the velocity of the bullets to a point where it does little or nothing; if you are shot in the chest through a tactical vest, magazine, and the kevlar lining (assuming there is any), that bullet isnt going to do as much as it would when it just simply struck you in the chest missing all obstructions. and finnally, i dont care who you are, no matter what caliber of bullet you are shot by be it .22 or .50 you're gonna feel it and most likely will be hurting from it. if i put 3 9mm or .45 bullets (for you .45 lovers) in your chest you are most likely going to die or be mortally wounded. and before you question my firearms authority, i am a a NRA member and have acheived the rank of Distinguished Expert. all i have written has come from experiance.