Comparison of graphics [Archive]

Kano-Okami

Nov 28, 2005, 01:15 PM

On 2005-11-27 17:14, _Tek_ wrote:
It will push the loading to its limits too. I'd imagine the disc'll be spinning like gta-sa does.

The graphics I've seen from the trailers and gameplay footage show the graphics are pretty ok, they aren't next-gen, I assure you but they are suitable.
I hope the load times will be kept to a minimum, if any at all. One thing thats gareenteed to turn people off from an online game is unusual or long load times.
So, even if it did come to graphics over faster load times, I'd side with faster load times..
I can't tell you how many times I had to endure Monster Hunter's(as pretty as it was) rediculous loading for each part of 1 map, it was annoying and tedious to get to point A to point B.

PhruitBaskit

Nov 28, 2005, 07:28 PM

That would suck a fatty! That's one thing I hated about the GTA games; they took forever to load up. The load times were terribly long...As for PSU, I don't think that they'll be THAT bad. PSO-length would be fine with me http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Shade-

Nov 29, 2005, 12:29 AM

On 2005-11-28 16:28, PhruitBaskit wrote:
That would suck a fatty! That's one thing I hated about the GTA games; they took forever to load up. The load times were terribly long...As for PSU, I don't think that they'll be THAT bad. PSO-length would be fine with me http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif They better have a sweet flashy colorfull moving loading screeny thing on this one!

F-o-x

Nov 29, 2005, 12:59 AM

Or I'd be content with character art to gawk at during loading. Or what they had with PSO, the various things we could move around or change the colors of by pushing buttons.

PhruitBaskit

Nov 29, 2005, 12:45 PM

On 2005-11-28 21:29, Shade- wrote:

http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif They better have a sweet flashy colorfull moving loading screeny thing on this one!

Oh yeah! Those PSO loading screens kicked some major ass. I would be more than happy with a few new variations http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I really don't care though, it'll all be good. But has anyone played the old PS2 game, Test Drive? If you have you remember how sweet that loading screen was...You played Tetris while the game loaded!

EDIT EDIT EDIT: It was Pong that you played, not Tetris! Sry...

[ This Message was edited by: PhruitBaskit on 2005-11-30 15:05 ]

Zarcon

Nov 29, 2005, 02:21 PM

Oh snap, you played Tetris while it was loading?!
...
I don't know if that implied a good thing, does that mean the load times were long enough to justify it? XD

I hope the PC version allows some major graphics tweaking at least. On the other hand, PS just has that whole style thing going for it so as long as it isn't ugly as sin (which, from the videos, it isn't) I'll be happy with it. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Sir_Laguna

Nov 29, 2005, 03:28 PM

This is just me, but I think it'd be kind of funny if a game had a little minigame you could play while it loaded, but it loaded so fast you'd only be able to play it for, like, two seconds before you were back in the game. "Aww, I wanted to play that..." http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Back on the subject of graphics, I think it looks very good when compared to other PS2 games, but on the PC front it looks on par with the other big MMOs out there. I think it looks more impressive because we've been used to seeing the same graphics and character models in PSO for a few years now, with better-looking water being the biggest addition (IMO) to its graphics engine over time.

There were two things that impressed me about PSU's graphics: The first was this shot from the E3 video where Ethan was running towards the lobby/park area of the Guardians' Colony. The draw distance really impressed me, and it looked just huge. The second aspect of PSU's graphics that I thought was impressive was the amount of people you could see on-screen during the "Network of PSU" video.

So yeah, a few impressive aspects of PSU's graphics, but on the whole, it's nothing I haven't seen before. Doesn't mean I'm not anxious as hell and frothing at the mouth for the game, though. *Dries mouth off*

PhruitBaskit

Nov 29, 2005, 08:58 PM

Yeah, you would play Tetris while the game loaded. And the load times were not too bad, actually the load times were pretty fast. When it was finished loading, the Tetris game wouldn't stop until you pressed start. So you got to say when to stop Tetris and start the actual game. It was reall sweet http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif The best part was that the game of Tetris was multiplayer if someone touched the second controller...

EDIT EDIT EDIT: It was Pong that you played, not Tetris! Sry...

[ This Message was edited by: PhruitBaskit on 2005-11-30 15:06 ]

DamonKatu

Nov 30, 2005, 11:21 AM

That sounds really cool. I wounder if you can change the preloader game to concept art or another cool feture.

And dont hog the women. their are men in the sea that need them too.http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Rubesahl

Nov 30, 2005, 01:23 PM

On 2005-11-27 12:13, vox3om wrote:
I was just playing Guild Wars...and I realized the graphics aren't amazing, but decent. My question is, do you guys think that the graphics for PSU are going to be better or even comparable to those of the other MMORPG's out there? Consider FFXI, WoW, CoV, and GW. I sure hope they are going to be equal to atleast the last 3.

FFXI graphics aren't that good :/ they're really outdated ><; as WoW... I dunno, it's hard to compare them somehow. One thing is for sure, PSU has awesome designs while WoW doesn't have good designs (humans look like they came from a crappy disney movie) but it takes advantage of really cool effects and it looks good. I think GW looks amazing though... I have it in max settings and resolution and it looks absolutely breathtaking. I know I'll love how PSU looks and I'd say it'll look really good but it depends on how much advantage they take from today's video cards. Being both on PC and PS2 sadly lowers the things they can do on PC (besides resolution) so I think it'll look great though noticeable traces from the PS2 version. BTW I like the idea of it coming to PS2 too >_> don't flame me cause I said that it doesn't help for the PC development...
But for sure we're getting something that'll look a thousand times better than FFXI... just with the colors PSU has it goes ahead from FFXI (FFXI wouldn't lose too much if you put it in Black and white lol)

[ This Message was edited by: Rubesahl on 2005-11-30 10:24 ]

OdinTyler

Nov 30, 2005, 03:43 PM

Way back when, I saw pics of PSU & I knew it was going to blow away anything I knew of back then. I knew it would beat alot of the EQ world & I KNOW it would beat FFXI. Sure, it was just hopes, but, I had it on good authority that this game would FOrce (excuse the bad pun) ppl to notice Phantasy Star, moreso than ever. Seeing a man (who I now know as Leo) on a hovercraft shocked me. Something just told me: Phantasy Star is back & in a HUGE way!

All others bow before it...or be left in the trails of cosmic dust...http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

PrinceBrightstar

Nov 30, 2005, 04:16 PM

About loading...

There was nothing flashy when i played it. It was just "Loading" in what i suppose is the font they're using for the game's "real world" characters.

PhruitBaskit

Nov 30, 2005, 06:03 PM

I hope for either a sweet colorful PSO-type loading screen, or a huge collection of char photos...Either of those would be fine with me, but I really don't think you can beat playing...Shit! It was Pong, not Tetris!(Test Drive was an Atari-made game) Stupid me, how could I mix the two up?

Anyways, I really don't think it's possible to beat playing PONG while the game is loading http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

OdinTyler

Nov 30, 2005, 11:02 PM

If I could choose a game to play during a load screen, it would be the first RPG ever. Points to anyone who correctly guesses the game & system it was on. I already know the answer, so, Ill be watching for results. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

ANIMEniac

Dec 1, 2005, 02:53 AM

honestly I havent seen FFXI in action and i see WOW and EQ on G4 all the time. Guild Wars load times vary kinda but the detail they put into the areas where very nice. PSU to me has graffics right up there with the "heavy wheights" but have one crutial thing that makes up for it not having next gen better graphics (atleast 2 me). PSU seems to have MUCH more motion. the major thing i realized was that the attack styles wherent the type where you stand in a general area. like the double saber, blue, baton, thingamajig has the super corkscrew atack where you leap like 10 feet through what ever is in your way (sorry 4 not being technical http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif). the otherthing was that certain attacks actualy caused some enimies to get lifted off the ground and be "juggled." speaking of juggling ther has also been talk about the females haveing "bounce physics." all this to say, they most likely had so spare some level of graphics so they can have the would fel more authentic and fluid, and not be so obvious that u are moving around as a computer avatar.

wow, when i thought about this it wasent quite as long winded, i apologize.

lostinseganet

Dec 6, 2005, 01:54 PM

On 2005-11-30 20:02, OdinTyler wrote:
If I could choose a game to play during a load screen, it would be the first RPG ever. Points to anyone who correctly guesses the game & system it was on. I already know the answer, so, Ill be watching for results. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Dungeons and dragons for atari 2600 right?

Lovejuice

Dec 6, 2005, 02:33 PM

On 2005-12-06 10:54, lostinseganet wrote:

On 2005-11-30 20:02, OdinTyler wrote:
If I could choose a game to play during a load screen, it would be the first RPG ever. Points to anyone who correctly guesses the game & system it was on. I already know the answer, so, Ill be watching for results. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Dungeons and dragons for atari 2600 right?
Naaah, surely he means Rogue[/Hack/Nethack] (Unix), or perhaps even Akalabeth ('Ultima 0') for the Apple II? I'm pretty sure they were all drifting around in 1980 or so. Although you could be really picky and then go into pen & paper RPGs some years earlier, but just, naaah.

lostinseganet

Dec 8, 2005, 05:33 AM

On 2005-12-06 11:33, Lovejuice wrote:

On 2005-12-06 10:54, lostinseganet wrote:

On 2005-11-30 20:02, OdinTyler wrote:
If I could choose a game to play during a load screen, it would be the first RPG ever. Points to anyone who correctly guesses the game & system it was on. I already know the answer, so, Ill be watching for results. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Dungeons and dragons for atari 2600 right?
Naaah, surely he means Rogue[/Hack/Nethack] (Unix), or perhaps even Akalabeth ('Ultima 0') for the Apple II? I'm pretty sure they were all drifting around in 1980 or so. Although you could be really picky and then go into pen & paper RPGs some years earlier, but just, naaah.

OH OO Oregon Trail for the old old computer RPG gamer.
http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/otrail.shtml

Sinue_v2

Dec 8, 2005, 05:55 AM

Well, the first video-game RPG ever was DUNGEON for the PLUTO Mainframe. I wouldn't really consider Adventure to be RPGish enough, but that may be what he means. Otherwise, making the disticntion between PC and Console/Japan and US - he could be talking about Dragon Warrior (first console RPG), or Phantasy Star I (first console RPG in the US).

F-o-x

Dec 8, 2005, 11:46 AM

OH OO Oregon Trail for the old old computer RPG gamer.

Ohhh man! I used to play that all the time in primary school on the old Apple computers. Used to love hunting. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Oh uhhh what were we talking about? Wait how'd we get from graphics to old games?

Niki

Dec 8, 2005, 12:36 PM

Sinue_v2

Dec 8, 2005, 01:27 PM

The Zork series are Adventure Games, and some of the most popular text adventures of their time along with Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, SoftPorn Adventure (precursor to Leisure Suit Larry), and Leather Godesses of Phobos.

Jozon

Dec 8, 2005, 08:02 PM

Do you think it would have different settings on the PC. If so, do you think a Radeon 9800 Pro would be good enough to play the game with good graphics.

OdinTyler

Dec 9, 2005, 03:23 PM

Niki, the answer is: Adventure on the Atari2600. But, dont tell Sinue that. He'll keep arguing for paragraph after paragraph about how 'wrong you are' & go into the reasons why. LOL People even today debate what an RPG is. Some ppl still have no idea, thinking games like Sonic & Mario are RPGs. Its sad. Maybe if theres a loadscreen game we should just revert to the old days of Pong or Asteroids. Asteroids would be fitting as PS is full of spaceships & things that crash into other things. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Niki

Dec 9, 2005, 11:38 PM

Hm, so noted. Alas, my parents were poor, so all i got was a Commodore 64.

But an an attempt to stay on topic, i can say with some certainty that the graphics will be better than PSO.

Sinue_v2

Dec 10, 2005, 02:14 AM

What, are you holding a grudge or something Odin? I don't believe Adventure to be an RPG, and I tried to back up my statements as best as possible. That's what you do with differing viewpoints on a topic - correct?

IMO, Adventure is more or less the precursor to games like Legend of Zelda - which is also highly debated on weither or not it's an RPG. I don't count Zelda as one, but the truth be told it's really a unique game series which doesn't fit into ANY standard genre... and there's really not too many games like that to consider making a new genre, so people tend to just categorize them them however they feel like it.

Jozon

Dec 10, 2005, 10:25 AM

On 2005-12-09 23:14, Sinue_v2 wrote:
What, are you holding a grudge or something Odin? I don't believe Adventure to be an RPG, and I tried to back up my statements as best as possible. That's what you do with differing viewpoints on a topic - correct?

IMO, Adventure is more or less the precursor to games like Legend of Zelda - which is also highly debated on weither or not it's an RPG. I don't count Zelda as one, but the truth be told it's really a unique game series which doesn't fit into ANY standard genre... and there's really not too many games like that to consider making a new genre, so people tend to just categorize them them however they feel like it.

I would agree, and I also think adventure goes in that category too, because there was no level ups, only item gathering, such as weapons and items and such. You could call Adventure and Zelda a "Adventure/RPG", so it might be an RPG but most of them have a level system other than getting items to gain stats or abilities.

Sinue_v2

Dec 10, 2005, 10:55 AM

Well, I wouldn't personally call it an Adventure/RPG either - since there aren't really any Adventure elements in Adventure. With Zelda, there are a few by the inventive use of your items and weapons - so it has Adventure elements through (very) basic puzzle solving.. but Adventure (the game) doesn't really have any. It has neither a focus on narrative or puzzle solving elements... which are the two prime-requisites for an Adventure game.

OdinTyler

Dec 10, 2005, 11:07 AM

Guys, I said video game console. I read mention of mainframes & thats NOT a video game system. LOL You guys are funny. I must admit you came up with some interesting answers. Oregon Trail was great. I played it on C64 myself. Grudge, Sinue? No. Are you getting hostile? Dont do that now. I must admit I played Adventure recently & I gotta say...uh...its not really that good. LOL I shouldnt judge it so harshly tho. It IS an old game afterall. Oh, I know. Ill start a new topic since this has come up (& yes, it will relate to Phantasy Star).

Sinue_v2

Dec 10, 2005, 06:38 PM

No, I'm not hostile. I just didn't see the point in your reference to me, in a post which wasn't directed at me or was about me. From where I sit, it seemed to me like a off-handed attack. If it wasn't intended as such, then no biggie.

And technically, you said the first "RPG" ever. What you might have meant doesn't matter, since you didn't specify. We can assume safely, being that this is a videogame board, that you're refering to RPG VideoGames and not pen & paper/miniatures RPGs like Warhammer or Dungeons & Dragons. Videogames is a wide description, which covers PC games, Arcade Games, Console Games, Handhelds, ect... it doesn't mean just consoles. As for a difference between PC and Console RPGs - well, I don't really see why the distiction should be made between the two of them since titles have been ported back and forth between the platforms ever since the NES era. Wizardry, Phantasy Star (original series included), Elder Scrolls, Final Fantasy, EverQuest, Heroes of Might & Magic, Ultima.. . the list goes on and on.

And well.. DUNGEON is reguarded as the first game in the RPG genre, reguardless of the platform.

Now, for a bonus point - guess the first (Graphical, this doesn't include MUDs) Massively Multiplayer Online RPG ever.

rena-ko

Dec 10, 2005, 07:03 PM

back on topic guys. start a new one in FKL or something if you must babble on about ancient code...

Sinue_v2

Dec 10, 2005, 07:17 PM

He started it....

If so, do you think a Radeon 9800 Pro would be good enough to play the game with good graphics.

It should be fine, though may not get peak preformance out of it - PSU will still look much much better than the PS2 version and shouldn't studder the framerate much.

How much RAM is embedded, 128 or 256?

OdinTyler

Dec 10, 2005, 09:47 PM

Ugh, I was gonna drop it anyway. No sense going on with it when I wasnt being listened to clearly. So anyway, back to topic. Graphics. Im not gonna compare the PS2 & PC version. Ppl should get the version that works for them based on what theyre able to play on. Which one 'looks better' isnt exactly the most important factor.

shinobu_seta

Dec 11, 2005, 03:16 PM

On 2005-12-10 18:47, OdinTyler wrote:
Ugh, I was gonna drop it anyway. No sense going on with it when I wasnt being listened to clearly. So anyway, back to topic. Graphics. Im not gonna compare the PS2 & PC version. Ppl should get the version that works for them based on what theyre able to play on. Which one 'looks better' isnt exactly the most important factor.

Exactly, I could care less about graphics, just as long as they game runs well and at the appropriate frame rate. I just hope the requirments don't get so high that I have to upgrade my machine. I'm trying to put off upgrading for a while anyway. I can run PSO flawlessly, so I'm hoping it doesn't have too much trouble with PSU.

OdinTyler

Dec 14, 2005, 10:18 AM

Well, if you have enough memory & the all important required minimum video card (with enough VRAM) required to run PSU, there shouldnt be any probs.

Tomeeboy

Dec 15, 2005, 10:46 PM

On 2005-12-10 16:17, Sinue_v2 wrote:
He started it....

If so, do you think a Radeon 9800 Pro would be good enough to play the game with good graphics.

It should be fine, though may not get peak preformance out of it - PSU will still look much much better than the PS2 version and shouldn't studder the framerate much.

How much RAM is embedded, 128 or 256?

I've got a Radeon 9800 Pro as well (it's 128MB), and I'm pretty confident that it will be able to handle PSU at an acceptable quality level. Of course, that also depends a little on the rest of the system... a decent processor and a good amount of RAM will help a lot.

Blitzkommando

Dec 15, 2005, 11:03 PM

The 9800 Pro should handle it unless one variable is not accounted for: Engine efficiency. PSO had a rather... innefficient engine to say the least. Hopefully, PSU will have a better optomized engine to take advantage of the capabilities of the PC medium without overstraining too many systems.

Come to think of it, making it run poorly on the 9800Pro would be one of the stupidest things Sega could do. Why? It is possibly the most used video card in the market right now. Just look at the hardware stats for various games in which feedback is given (case in point: Half-Life and Half-Life 2). Most of the time you are going to see the 9800 Pro as the highest percent used card of them all. Even though the card itself is 3 years old, it is probably one of the best built cards ever. Still have one myself in my old machine and it can still crank out decent, mid to low level graphics depending on the game.

Also, just to make a point here: VRAM is not the most important factor in video cards. Just like in a computer, it is the processor, the GPU, that is the biggest factor. The main reason larger RAM cards do better of the same series (9800 XT 128 and 256, 6600 GT 128 and 256, and even the 7800GTX 256 and 512) is because the larger VRAM cards are generally overclocked a bit or at least tweaked. In the case of the 7800GTX the memory type was changed to a faster, more efficient memroy, and the processor overclocked and tweaked. Of course, this only really applies to cards over 128, and most definitely 256 as even with same speed 64->128 can make rather large differences as the entirity of the memory is used with today's games. I guess if I were trying to make a point here it is this: just because it has 256MB of VRAM doesn't automatically make it a really great card. It can help, but with games like PSU that are not as VRAM dependent an most likely more CPU/GPU dependent it would be better to get a newer card at a smaller VRAM (6600GT 128 over 5500 256) simply because the GPU can pump out so much more data.