PSU Theme Lyrics

[Zaphile]

I tried making these as accurate as possible, but a certain stanza may be incorrect. Anyways, here's what I gathered from the PSU theme:

( Thanks to Broomopuk4 (http://www.pso-world.com/user.php?op=userinfo&uname=Broomopuk4) for corrections )



Who said we are lost again in this lonely world
I say we can start again, we're on the same ship
It's called Starship Earth

It is not too late, it's our home so don't say that it's fate
We must not give up to build our future on our dreams
We will never lie down to die
But we'll find a way to survive
we all have somebody we love,
we know that's why we're here

We battle for freedom
It is a battle against the dawn
I have my dreams
you know im not afraid of bleeding

It is the time!

We battle for tommorow
It is a battle against time
and we can do miracles
so take my hand, we need to save this world!


It was a hard time, so many tears and so not for nothing
to give up is not a choice, it's a fight we have to win
I can not live with out faith
Even if im faced with death
we all have somebody we love,
we know that's why we're here

We battle for freedom
it is a battle against the dawn
We all have dreams
and each of them is to be realised

It is the time!

We battle for tommorow
it is a battle against time
Too many tears have been shed
for the same fear

We have to save this world!

We will never lie down to die
but we'll find a way to survive
we all have somebody we love,
we know that's why we're here

We battle for freedom
it is abattle against the dawn
I have my dreams
you know im not afraid of bleeding
it is the time!

we battle for tommorow
it is a battle agaisnt time
and we can do miracles
so take my hand
we need to save this world!


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[OdinTyler]

From what Ive heard, this is the Japanese version. I say this because of the audible Japanese in the beginning (at least from what I heard). Will this carry over into other versions?

[Fredrick]

Dear god. This song... is terrible. I cant belive how bad this theme is compared to the ones for EP 1, 2,and 3. I mean just....WOW.

The lyrics, not only stupid, but they sound terrible. The notes are all over the place and dont sound good... Its like something a little kid would put together by pressing random keys on a piano.

And its not even the lyrics! If there was no singing at all, the music is still terrible. This is a huge Huge HUGE downgrade from the music in PSO. Seriously. Someone needs to be fired.

[OdinTyler]

WOW. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed in My Room. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Fredrick]

No I didnt. >:|

I was just really looking forward to the PSU theme because the PSO games had really good ones. I mean I have heard this before... but I never would have thought this was the main theme. Jesus of mary.

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[OdinTyler]

Yep. Grumpy. No other way to sum it up. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Nisshoku]

Actually that small japanese part at the beginning was to my knowledge, just the announcer introducing the song being played, hence the 'here we go' engrish phrase.

I told Jonathan_F to fix that on the MP3, but obviously, he didn't listen. >_>

[OdinTyler]

Guess I wont know whats really the English version til its in my hands. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[EspioKaos]

On 2005-12-10 21:59, OdinTyler wrote:
Guess I wont know whats really the English version til its in my hands. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif
This is as much the English version of the song as it is the Japanese version. It's not being changed between releases.

[Para]

On 2005-12-10 19:01, Fredrick wrote:
Dear god. This song... is terrible. I cant belive how bad this theme is compared to the ones for EP 1, 2,and 3. I mean just....WOW.

The lyrics, not only stupid, but they sound terrible. The notes are all over the place and dont sound good... Its like something a little kid would put together by pressing random keys on a piano.

And its not even the lyrics! If there was no singing at all, the music is still terrible. This is a huge Huge HUGE downgrade from the music in PSO. Seriously. Someone needs to be fired.

I can agree with you on parts of it... the chorus is not too bad... i sorta like the chorus but the other parts sorta suck lol

[Zarode]

It's clear that most of the money did NOT go into this song, kthx. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif You know, what happened to that really cool Orchestra version of this song? It sounded one thousand times better. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Alisha]

eh i think the song is awesome http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Lovejuice]

On 2005-12-10 23:44, Zarode wrote:
It's clear that most of the money did NOT go into this song, kthx. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif You know, what happened to that really cool Orchestra version of this song? It sounded one thousand times better. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif
Remember, that Kelli Sae has recorded two songs for Sega. It's likely that the second piece is some kind of slow version, or ending variant. Most likely all souped-up, orchestrated, and heartstrings pulling! Failing that, it might just be something else altogether, who knows?

The basic melody in the song has been recycled in quite a few other, lyricless, PSU music peices that have been revealed (even stemming back to the E3 2004 trailer), so it seems probable that the 'ending' theme might include a similar tune. Or at least a few other tracks on the OST.

[OdinTyler]

Well, thats a first. The song is staying the same, regardless of country. Usually it gets shifted around or what not. Its not my favorite song, but, its not bad. Idk how exactly the theme SHOULD sound. I just know I can deal with it. Seems not everyone can. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Parn]

No it's not. Jet Set Radio, Final Fantasy X, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Phantasy Star Online, Sonic Adventure, and countless other games have all kept the vocal themes the same, regardless of territory.

PSU's theme is pretty campy, but it's definitely not Sega's worst as far as vocals go. Check out one of Daytona USA's songs, performed by an overtly Japanese guy.

ROOOOORRIIIIIIIING STAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHTTTTT!!!! (http://synbios.net/music/daytona/06%20-%20The%20King%20of%20Speed.ogg)

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[Zaphile]

On 2005-12-11 10:46, Parn wrote:
No it's not. Jet Set Radio, Final Fantasy X, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Phantasy Star Online, Sonic Adventure, and countless other games have all kept the vocal themes the same, regardless of territory.

PSU's theme is pretty campy, but it's definitely not Sega's worst as far as vocals go. Check out one of Daytona USA's songs, performed by an overtly Japanese guy.

ROOOOORRIIIIIIIING STAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHTTTTT!!!! (http://synbios.net/music/daytona/06%20-%20The%20King%20of%20Speed.ogg)

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Is that the song that was in the Episode III jukebox? If it is, I would have to agree. I don't have a program that plays ogg files at the moment (yes I know winamp does, but I dont have it atm http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif). If it's WORSE than that song, then...well...wow. It would take talent to suck that bad.

[Parn]

Orchestrated version of the theme (http://synbios.net/games/PSU/misc/psuthemeorchestrated.mp3) for anyone that wants it. Easy on my bandwidth please, as always.

[ColonD]

The orcestrated is a little better then the regular version.
But the theme seems like something a kid with a cape tied around his shoulders would make. ><

[Dre_o]

Orchestra Version, hmm..... Not bad, certinly sounds interesting. But my Band in my old school could play it better. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Lovejuice]

Oh, Parn. <3

What was your source for such musics? I'm slowly trawling through the videos, but the only time it appears to be used in semi-decent quality - in my mediocre collection - it also shared airtime with voice overs a-plenty (the 'character showcase' type of one). It's in the TGS2005 video I've got, but the quality is utter poo. It pops up in the E3 2005 video, but the duration is much shorter than the one in your file! (The video's is something like 1:40, and yours pushes 2:40)

Speaking of orchestral niceness, my favourite piece to be revealed so far, is actually the little start of the E3 2004 trailer - up until the whole land gets stricken with lightning and such. I'm a total whore for big churchish bells that go 'ding dong'. Indeed.

EDIT: Woo, the spelling bee ravages my carcass frequently.

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[DeathMachine]

OK. So it isn't the PSO quality we've come to be obsessed over, but it isn't "bad." I understand that if someone is expecting something incredible, and things don't turn out the exact way we wanted, then you can get very upset. However, the song doesn't suck out loud. The chorus is catchy, and this doesn't mean that this is how all of the music will turn out. All we can do is be patient and tolerant.

[Nai_Calus]

I haven't had time to download it yet, but the lyrics are retarded, and considering how asstastic PSO's openings were, if this is supposedly WORSE... XD

C'mon, PS used to have GOOD opening music. >_<

[Zarode]

On 2005-12-11 18:16, Ian-KunX wrote:
I haven't had time to download it yet, but the lyrics are retarded, and considering how asstastic PSO's openings were, if this is supposedly WORSE... XD

C'mon, PS used to have GOOD opening music. >_<



Becasue it didn't have singing/lyrics...



Or a shitty composer... http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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[Fredrick]

Thank you parn. See I dont mind the "Orchestrated" version at all. In fact its very good... and sounds nothing like that first one posted.

I Pray to god that the other one will not be in PSU US version at all. I know it probobly will be but. I sure hope it isnt.

The version Parn posted sounds good, and has a sound that would be typical for a PSO game (which IMO is very good)

[kazuma56]

The music is quite bad all around..but PSO's weren't any better either, I liked the orchestrated version of the ending theme in PSO but the opening only sticks in my head because i've been playing PSO for 5 years.

Well, most opening themes in most RPG's aren't very catchy, barring some FF's and old PS's, but as long as the stage/area music is on par with PSO ep3 or PS2/4, then i'm satisfied.

[OdinTyler]

You guys are responding so harshly to ONE song. The game isnt even out yet & its being bashed horribly. Id hate to hear what everyone thinks about other in game music. Guys, its ONE song. If you dont like it, play some other music while you play. Just take the song for what it is, with a grain of salt. Its really not that bad. Ive heard bad music before. If ppl are quick to say this song is corny, then, they might as well mention PSO's theme song. That was corny too. But, ppl took to it, didnt they? Give the song (& the game) a chance to grow on ya before downplaying it.

[Niki]

Yeah, for one it could have been sleazy 80s saxophone. Just think tanning oil and chest hair...

...now see, this opening theme isn't so bad, right?

[OdinTyler]

LMAO Way to take ppl's minds off it. Can we say: Miami Vice? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Zaphile]

On 2005-12-12 13:53, OdinTyler wrote:
LMAO Way to take ppl's minds off it. Can we say: Miami Vice? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


No, because everyone will go horribly off-topic. Heheh. Well either way, personnaly I like the song, but my opinions tend to be not of the majority's ><

[Nai_Calus]

Nope, can't say I ever 'took' to either PSO 1&2 or Ep3's opening songs. A Whole New World was just plain tacky and bad, and while there are indeed worse songs than Let The Winds Blow, I can't stand little boy sopranos and after two or three listens it makes your ears bleed. :D

Mind you, the endings for Ep1&2 weren't so bad. Can Stil See The Light is OK(Though the piano version is better) and World With Me is actually fairly good.

But come on, compare the drek of the opening songs for PSO and now PSU to say... The opening themes for FFVI or PSIV. When I go to play PSO, I skip past that stuff and don't wait for the opening videos. When I play FFVI or PSIV, nevermind that I'm using ROMs and can load my savestate immediately, I sit there and listen first. :3

That's the problem with game music these days. Everything has to be orchestrated and vocal and swishy and shiny and they've damn near forgotten how to write something that doesn't make you want to roll your eyes. :D

[EspioKaos]

Wow. The angst in this topic is making me roll my eyes. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I'm going to throw this out there and hope I don't get mauled. ... Personally, I love this song. Sure, it's not what we're used to when compared to any of the PSO opening themes, and honestly, compared to anything at all from PSO. But, maybe that's what I like about it. It's a change of musical pace. Besides, like some others have already said, this is only one song. For those who think the rest of the soundtrack will suck, how do you know? Have you heard the rest of the soundtrack yet?

[Nisshoku]

I personally love this song as well. Kelli Sae's voice is just beautiful, and the song is quite well written, given the lyrics were done by Sonic Team themselves.

With time, comes change. I embrace this change with open arms, as it's still Phantasy Star to me.

[OdinTyler]

It would seem Nisshoku, Espio, & I are the small minority here in that we're willing to give the game a chance & not jump on seemingly anything 'negative' prematurely. If we're gonna talk about intros, sure, some classic short ones are great. Straight to the point. To this day, one of my fave title screens (& theme songs) is the original Phantasy Star. Id love a background pic for my comp of this, if anyone knows how to get this, Id very much appreciate it. That & Id like the title track too. Personally, I admire a company thats willing to hire an orchestra to put forth such effort to make a song capture some of the grand stature of the game, for which its inspired. Ive seen Sega do it, Square, Andromeda, & quite a few other companies. I just wish ppl would learn to appreciate some classical music out there. Then, theyd understand why the few of us that like it, do.

[EspioKaos]

On 2005-12-12 18:19, OdinTyler wrote:
Personally, I admire a company thats willing to hire an orchestra to put forth such effort to make a song capture some of the grand stature of the game, for which its inspired.
Random bit of trivia: In the case of PSU, SonicTeam had to hire two orchestras to record the soundtrack for this game because there was so much music to produce and perform. The Warsaw Philharmonic Orcestra, who performed ep.III's soundtrack, has returned along with the orchcestra of the American Music Federation. Recording sessions were done all over the world, from New York with Kelli Sae to Hollywood with the AMF and finally to Warsaw with the WPO.

[DeathMachine]

Why do people HATE this song with the "Kefka"-like intensity? It isn't bad. It doesn't suck. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT IT?

[OdinTyler]

LOL You said Kefka. Yeah, to say anyone hates anything with a Kefka-like intensity, is saying alot. Anyone who's played FFVI knows how much of a bastard Kefka. The burning rage that filled any player, watching what atrocities he committed. Thats what I feel when anyone says something that would damn anything about Phantasy Star without just cause. By now, you either love the series or you hate it. True, not everyone's gonna like everything that ST comes up with. I still just stay to the point that its wrong to get so upset about a product thats not even out yet. Quite predjudicial, it is.

[DeathMachine]

Why does it seem that there ae so few level-headed persons? There is no need to be upset.

[OdinTyler]

I hope youre counting me as one of the level headed people. Im trying to still the waters here, but, I cant do it alone. LOL Im glad you relate to what Ive been trying to say. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

"I'm giving it all she's got, Cap'n! She cannah take much morrah this!"
-- James Scott, Star Trek

[Parn]

I enjoy the music well enough. I just think the lyrics are extremely campy. This rule tends to apply to just about all the songs Sonic Team puts out. Of course, their cheesiness didn't stop me from listening to Burning Hearts from Burning Rangers repeatedly in the Dreamcast days when the Maracas Quest existed.

*pops said song on Winamp and sets it to repeat*

[OdinTyler]

Burning Rangers was corny as hell, but, I still thought it was good. In its campiness, it riled me up to want to save the ppl in the mission caught in the 'tongues of fire' cast upon them. Any music that inspires you to save someone (IRL or otherwise) cant be all bad.

[Zaphile]

On 2005-12-12 18:19, OdinTyler wrote:
It would seem Nisshoku, Espio, & I are the small minority here in that we're willing to give the game a chance & not jump on seemingly anything 'negative' prematurely.

You're forgetting me, I feel sad. I'm in the same boat as you guys, heh.

[Nai_Calus]

And perhaps if we were discussing classical music...

Ahh, but we're not. See, it doesn't matter how much orchestral prettiness you slap on something. If something about it sucks, it's still going to suck no matter who recorded it. XP

And sure, I love Phantasy Star. But PSU isn't Phantasy Star. Sorry, cutesy references do not make it PS. PSO isn't PS either. (Incidentally, almost every bit of PSO's music I like is straight out of PS. As proof that bad remixes can ruin anything, though, I hate spaceship's music even though 90% of it consists of PS songs I love in their proper incarnations)

And PSU so far doesn't even seem to be trying to pretend it has anything to do with PS. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif The references are TOO cutesy and cloying. (Tyler the space pirate? A ship called the Landeel? A character who for all intents and purposes, no matter how they've romanized it, named Lutz?

And even if you love a series or an individual game, that does not automatically mean you'll love EVERYTHING in it, period, or even that you should. There's plenty of stuff in even games I consider the best of the best that drives me mad.

If something is corny, off or just plain bad, it's fair game no matter the source. Sure, PSU may turn out to be teh bestest gaem evar, but the opening song is still going to have really crappy lyrics. >_>;

Oh wait, but if we say anything that isn't fanboyish joygasming we're bashing the whole game! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Ahh, I'm far too jaded.

[Parn]

On 2005-12-13 01:38, Ian-KunX wrote:
But PSU isn't Phantasy Star. Sorry, cutesy references do not make it PS. PSO isn't PS either.

It's good to see that you've already decided that for everyone without having played the game at all. "I played the old Phantasy Star games, so that makes me an expert!"

Sorry, but Phantasy Star is whatever Sega wants it to be. It's obvious that you can't let go of the old games and continue to brood in the past, but the series has been thrown around with an inconsistent development team since day one. Before Phantasy Star Online released, "hardcore fans" claimed Phantasy Star 3 "isn't Phantasy Star", Phantasy Star Gaiden "isn't Phantasy Star", and Phantasy Star Adventure "isn't Phantasy Star", so this is the same old broken record for a newer generation. Apparently, the number of Phantasy Star games that "aren't Phantasy Star" now outweigh the number of Phantasy Star games that supposedly are. Gee.

[OdinTyler]

1. Zaphile, sorry I didnt know you felt that way. Didnt mean to exclude you.

2. If anyone can claim to be an expert of Phantasy Star on this forum, its me. However, even I can admit that PS is ultimately what the creators deem it to be. I just enjoy speculating the what-ifs of the future & the how-comes (usually due to HUGE plotholes) of the past. I wont be so arrogant to think that just because I played more games than alot of ppl here that I know everything. We're talking about an 18 year legacy & I enjoy learning more about it.

3. Just because theres some corny elements, doesnt mean its bad. There has been some lvl of corniness or campiness in PS since the beginning. Is that a bad thing? Obviously, its an opinion, however, its there. Maybe we get past corny parts to the good stuff or perhaps its the corniness that sucks us in? Who can say?

4. An important thing to note is despite the problems ppl voice about PSU, it is CONSISTENTLY a series. Each game is not so vastly different that you can say "This isnt a Phantasy Star game." True to the word 'series', PS constantly pulls on its various roots to keep older players playing & newer ones interested. As Ive said before, the only way PS can be even better than ever is to bring back Rieko Kodama. Other than that, Im just going with the times...& speaking of time, by my calculations (& the trend of the game), it should be close to 3200AW in PSU. Welcome to the 33rd Space Century! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sinue_v2]

Why do people HATE this song with the "Kefka"-like intensity? It isn't bad. It doesn't suck. WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT IT?

While I can't speak to the rest of the PSU music, I dislike the non-orchestral version because it reminds me of something you hear on an episode of Power Rangers. That, and I'm extreemely tired of this whole "Fight for Freedom" schtick. Perhaps Sonic Team didn't intend it to be that way - with with all the terrorism bullshit and hyper patriotism which blinds the common sence we've seen over the past 5 years, well... it's gotten old and grates on my nerves now.

Then again, that's just the opening theme. There's a good chance I may like the rest of PSU's music. Can't say I ever really cared for "Whole New World" either - but "Can I still see the Light" is what I would consider an all-time Phantasy Star classic track because of how accurately it sums up the pain and sacrifices in all the games previous. World with me wasn't really bad... but it wasn't really overly good either IMO. A bit too "pop-ish" for my taste.


Of course, their cheesiness didn't stop me from listening to Burning Hearts from Burning Rangers repeatedly in the Dreamcast days when the Maracas Quest existed.

Hmm... it's been a long time since I played the Maraccas Quest... but didn't it have that song ripped from Samba De Amigo? I thought Burning Ranges, in the DC's time, was only for the Burning Ranger's quest.I do admit that I like the Samba, Sonic, Burning Rangers, and NiGHTS songs from PSO - but not as Phantasy Star songs. I liked them simply because they were silly little catchy tunes which exemplify Sega's free-spirited fun attituide in a game-world which is ruled by "Hardkore" blood & guts "cool" image. It's no different than my sheer elation at hearing the Musical Sound Shower Euro Remixes on OutRun 2. They wouldn't make good Phantasy Star songs, but they're good in the context of which they're used.


And sure, I love Phantasy Star. But PSU isn't Phantasy Star. Sorry, cutesy references do not make it PS.

I have to disagree. As much as I don't like it either, Sega has clearly decided to broaden the scope of what is and is not, Phantasy Star. While the originals will always be my favorites, and the core games of the series - what it's turned into these last 5 years is still every-bit Phantasy Star as any other game in the series. Though, I do wish that if they were going to go this direction, that they would drop the references and focus more on expanding the new game's own universe.

Even Reiko Kodama and Tohru Yoshida said that after Phantasy Star IV, they were most likely going to leave Algol and the previous games behind and start fresh on a brand new series of Phantasy Star games disconnected from the originals to flesh out the framework of what makes a Phantasy Star game Phantasy Star. So it's not like Sonic Team is entirely to blame for the shifting of gears in the series. Though, after the success of PSO and (hopefully) PSU - I do think Reiko is ready to return the series to Algol and give the originals a true sequel/prequal. That is, if Sega give her the greenlight. I dunno what she's working on now - but I'd almost be just as happy seeing a Skies of Arcadia sequel/spinoff as well. I wonder why Sega seems to have so little faith in her - despite the fact that she's created two of their most highly reguarded RPG series.


Ahh, I'm far too jaded.

You're not the only one...


If anyone can claim to be an expert of Phantasy Star on this forum, its me.

I dunno... HUnewearl_Meria/PhanGarret is pretty ****ing smart and observant when it comes to PS. I don't really see him post much here anymore though, and the Phantasy-Star Pages forum is all but dead.


Each game is not so vastly different that you can say "This isnt a Phantasy Star game."

I dunno.. the gameplay changes between titles like Amia's Adventure and Phantasy Star Online Ep III are pretty drastic. The storyline changes between Phantasy Star I and Phantasy Star Online Ep I are every bit as drastic as well.

However, as said before, Phantasy Star is whatever Sega deems it to be. Not what we, or even Mrs. Kodama, want it to be.


As Ive said before, the only way PS can be even better than ever is to bring back Rieko Kodama.

And then watch as throngs of "PSO" fans raise up in anger at the reversion to a more "anime" style of artwork and storytelling which resembles Skies of Arcadia more than Phantasy Star Universe.

Or maybe not...

[Parn]

On 2005-12-13 09:24, Sinue_v2 wrote:
Hmm... it's been a long time since I played the Maraccas Quest... but didn't it have that song ripped from Samba De Amigo? I thought Burning Ranges, in the DC's time, was only for the Burning Ranger's quest.
The Missing Maracas quest had you locating multiple discs, each with a song from a specific Sonic Team game. Burning Hearts from Burning Rangers happened to be one of the featured songs in that quest, alongside Vamos a Carnaval from Samba de Amigo, Dreams Dreams from NiGHTS, and so forth. Central Dome Fire Swirl also had the Burning Rangers music, though only that quest made it to GameCube and Xbox... The Missing Maracas quest never saw the light of day after the Dreamcast.

[ANIMEniac]

im gunna enter this post the same way that every1 else has, hith my feelings 4 the song. the initial tune and chorus are mad amounts of catchy, but i think the verses are what are slightly "asstastic." in my case im not talking about the lyrics themselves, but the timing and the breaths that the singer takes... well i have a solution that i hope they turn to for the game. just make a "La La" version, that way it will flow a little better. try this(if u dont HATE the song), hum it and see how well it flows. better than words right, so yea a la la version.
2 im Very new school PS (as in started on PSO for GC) and i turnd around and got phantasy star collection for GBA. it is funny catching some of the references after the fact but 4 the most part i think the game evolved well. do u look at sonic and say, "Sonic and Knuckles is not a real sonic game" or look at zelda link to the past and say" twilight princes is nothng like it and it has changed for the worst" if u answered yes to anyof these Q's u might have Fanboy-withdrawalitis and i will perscribe u 50mg of chill pills and a full day of gaming.

[OdinTyler]

Since it was mentioned, Sonic & Knuckles IS a real Sonic game. Technically, its the levels left out of Sonic3, then, quickly released. Having played S&K, it wouldve made Sonic3 ALOT harder to complete if it were one game. That being said, I refer back to PS. Sure the creators want to take PS in various directions, seeing where things go. Tho we may want PS to go a certain way, I think we can all agree that it will ultimately go where ST wants it to. We may not agree with everything done, yet we can say overall, we're happy with PS or we wouldnt have stuck with it as long as we have.
It must be firmly noted that PS is truly Rieko (guys, its I before E in her name, trust me on this http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif ) Kodama's creation. If she truly doesnt want to touch Algol anymore, Im saddened by this, but, I can understand. PS can only benefit from her work, should she decide to come back. I admit I wasnt too sure about PSO when I first heard about it way back when. I still gave it a chance tho because it was afterall: Phantasy Star. The fact that a woman created such a compelling series in a time when the game player community was predominantly male is still something that surprises me to this day. She was the right person at the right time, doing the right thing. For that, Im forever thankful & will do my best to keep with the PS series as long as Im able to.
Whether Rieko comes back or not, she did trust it with one of the original team's ppl: Yuji Naka. He did design some of the original dungeons & tho we do gripe about some of the more current layouts, some of the past ones were great. Nostalgia isnt such a bad thing & should such layouts return it can only be a great thing. The Air Castle in PSIV is a great example. It has almost the same layout as once was in PS1 (just from a different camera perspective). Since these 3 new planets in PSU seem to so mirror our beloved Algol, dungeons reminiscent of the older games wouldnt be that bad of an idea.
We can hope & pray of the reuniting of the original team (Bo included), but, it may not be so. I would just hope that as games are further being worked on that there arent as many plotholes or differences between the JP & US & European version as was before. Seeing the potential of the future PSU community, wouldnt it be nice to discuss PS old & new & know exactly what the other person was talking about instead of having to 'translate' the story, based on country of origin?

[Eihwaz]

So much angst! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

I'll say this: the vocalized version of this song is just lame. I'm gonna agree with Sinue: the whole "let us fight for FREEDOM" thing is overdone and lame. On the other hand, I rather like the orchastrated version that Parn posted. I hope they make THAT the opening theme. >_>;

Hell, I really, really like Burning Rangers, because it's an awesome jazzy kind of song with cheesy as hell japanese lyrics, from a goofy PSO sidequest. Don't get me wrong; I love funky sounding stuff. The Jet Set Radio Future OST is fantastic, as is Ollie King's, and both of those are SEGA games. I also loved virtually all of PSO's music, from Ep1 to Ep2. But this song is really not up to snuff. The background music sounds like the theme song from a tacky 80's cartoon and the lyrics are goofy and clice. This is definetly not what I had in mind for what I though PSU was supposed to be: an epic space fantasy.

Also, OdinTyler, people aren't bashing PSU, they're bashing the song. Huge difference. You shouldn't bash a game until you've had a chance to play it and see how it works. However, with a song, one listen and you can tell if it's good or bad.

Also, I have to agree with Ian: the music's composition is more important than how it's recorded. A crappy song is not going to be good just because it's recorded by some fancy orchastra and an professional vocalist. That being said, I listen to all kinds of game music - from 16-bit stuff from games like FFVI or Yoshi's Island, to the higher-quality synth of Super Mario 64 or FFVII, and even the fully CD-quality music used in games like Jet Set Radio Future or Rez.

So, in conclusion, if that crappy vocal track is indeed the opening theme for PSU, then I am bitterly disappointed. SEGA can, and has, produced some truly great theme songs, so I don't see why they couldn't have created something to do PSU justice.

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[Neith]

Oh my god, that was one of the single WORST songs I have ever heard.

Yeah, there are songs in PSO that are pure cheese, like Burning Rangers. People usually play that Disk, because it's funny.

This 'theme' I didn't find catchy, and was total cheese from the beginning to the end.

I was hoping for a theme like PSO (not Episode 4 though >_<), I could stand those, and thought they fit in well.

This was just.., well, I thought it sucked.

You're right about the freedom 'lol, we have to save the world!' being overdone, it's gotten to the point where some people (as we can see here) are sick of it =/

Please, please be more PSO-esque music in-game...

[DizzyDi]

Damn folks, just because the song is bad and people voicing thier opinions doesn't make it angst =. Some peeps are gunna like, some aren't. This is the fhkn Internet afterall, people are gunna disagree.

[Espilonarge]

I listened to the song several times and found a minor mistake in the lyrics (ones posted here.)

It's not "We battle for tommorow"
It's "We battle for true moral"

Listen properly and it sounds more like a ~al~ then a ~row~ sound on that line.

[DeathMachine]

Just making it worse for those tired of the "Let's fight for Freedom!" theme. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[OdinTyler]

Guys, fighting for freedom is what RPGs are a good part about. You gather together with other ppl, fight the good fight, & being the good guys attempt to slay the evil in the land. You feel opressed by the evil & you FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM to survive & thrive. Its a pretty common theme in RPGs. Doesnt anyone pick up on that?

[Eihwaz]

On 2005-12-16 12:16, OdinTyler wrote:
Guys, fighting for freedom is what RPGs are a good part about. You gather together with other ppl, fight the good fight, & being the good guys attempt to slay the evil in the land. You feel opressed by the evil & you FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM to survive & thrive. Its a pretty common theme in RPGs. Doesnt anyone pick up on that?


Of course I pick it up. That's the problem: it's overused and cliche. >_>;

[OdinTyler]

Then why play RPGs? Being that its rather the common theme, what else would an rpg be about? Lets roleplay on being someone else in everyday life? Thats what sims are for! OK, lets roleplay to be an athlete...no, thats sports. Hmmm, whats an RPG for then? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Kano-Okami]

I liked it, although I thought the lyrics were a little ackward at best. At times, it seemed like they had the original japanese lyrics babblefished, and vocalist had to wing it...but aside from that, still good.



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[Kupi]

Just wondering: if you're not fighting for "freedom", what are you fighting for? "Looove and justice"? Someone clue me in; I'm actually drawing a blank, here.

[Niki]

On 2005-12-16 17:34, Kupi wrote:
Just wondering: if you're not fighting for "freedom", what are you fighting for? "Looove and justice"? Someone clue me in; I'm actually drawing a blank, here.


Survival. That works for me.

[OdinTyler]

Yes, & survival is bodily freedom. You see how the F word keeps coming out? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Espilonarge]

On 2005-12-16 20:28, OdinTyler wrote:
Yes, & survival is bodily freedom. You see how the F word keeps coming out? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
F*beeeeeeeeeeeeeep!* XD

[OdinTyler]

Whats wrong with talking about freedom? Oops. I better censor myself. Ppl have a problem with f****** & Idk why. F****** has been in quite a few RPGs be it online or offline. F****** is a good thing & what we all strive for. Once we have f****** you get the feeling theres nothing you cant accomplish, through f******. To f****** !

Btw, if you cant tell that I wasnt really cursing, dont even reply to this. I made it clear what I was censoring. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Espilonarge]

On 2005-12-17 07:16, OdinTyler wrote:
Whats wrong with talking about freedom? Oops. I better censor myself. Ppl have a problem with f****** & Idk why. F****** has been in quite a few RPGs be it online or offline. F****** is a good thing & what we all strive for. Once we have f****** you get the feeling theres nothing you cant accomplish, through f******. To f****** !

Btw, if you cant tell that I wasnt really cursing, dont even reply to this. I made it clear what I was censoring. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
You have no idea how bad its sounding for those who have dirty minds.. *is trying so hard to hold back his laughter then he has to get a tissue to stop his snot from going all over the screen* XD

[OdinTyler]

I know. I worded it this way VERY carefully. (evil laughter)

[Nai_Calus]

Survival == Bodily freedom? WTF? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Er, no. 'Survival' doesn't necessarily imply any sort of freedom. So I'm fighting the big bad guy and get shoved off a cliff and land on... I dunno, some rock and my spine snaps, but I don't die and the bad guy decides to keep me as his prisoner and then brings my girlfriend into the dungeon and proceeds to rape her in front of me while he practices his 'singing'. Oh, sure, I survived, but I'm paralyzed and the bad guy has me in his clutches and is using me as an unwilling audience to his William Shatner-style musical posturings while he tortures the love of my life. Not a whole lot of 'freedom' there. Yes, this IS a ridiculous scenario, but then, we ARE discussing RPGs. XD

And just because you're RPing doesn't mean you're fighting for freedom. Maybe your current D&D campaign just consists of searching for treasure and lusty tavern wenches, or you and your fellow party members are the evil ones. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Maybe you RP on your MUD.

Even in a tradtional 'save the world' RPG, not all of the characters are necessarily fighting for freedom. You're always gonna have someone who's just out for revenge, or just wants to be famous and get girls, or just wants to find out what's really going on, or is just looking for x family member/friend/girlfriend/boyfriend or just wants to get the current distractions over with so he/she can kill the hero in peace or just plain thought it sounded interesting at the time. XD

[OdinTyler]

On 2005-12-17 10:29, Ian-KunX wrote:
Survival == Bodily freedom? WTF? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Er, no. 'Survival' doesn't necessarily imply any sort of freedom. So I'm fighting the big bad guy and get shoved off a cliff and land on... I dunno, some rock and my spine snaps, but I don't die and the bad guy decides to keep me as his prisoner and then brings my girlfriend into the dungeon and proceeds to rape her in front of me while he practices his 'singing'. Oh, sure, I survived, but I'm paralyzed and the bad guy has me in his clutches and is using me as an unwilling audience to his William Shatner-style musical posturings while he tortures the love of my life. Not a whole lot of 'freedom' there. Yes, this IS a ridiculous scenario, but then, we ARE discussing RPGs. XD

And just because you're RPing doesn't mean you're fighting for freedom. Maybe your current D&D campaign just consists of searching for treasure and lusty tavern wenches, or you and your fellow party members are the evil ones. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif Maybe you RP on your MUD.

Even in a tradtional 'save the world' RPG, not all of the characters are necessarily fighting for freedom. You're always gonna have someone who's just out for revenge, or just wants to be famous and get girls, or just wants to find out what's really going on, or is just looking for x family member/friend/girlfriend/boyfriend or just wants to get the current distractions over with so he/she can kill the hero in peace or just plain thought it sounded interesting at the time. XD



Yes, bodily freedom, & Ill prove it. Ill go by your scenarios one at a time:

1. OK youre gonna have to fight back against the guy who captured you & attacked your girl. You have to fight for your freedom & hers to be back with the one you love.

2. Searching for money means monetary freedom. The ability to not have to worry about covering your expenses. The same can be said for sexual conquests. You want the freedom to choose mates as you wish.

3. Distractions are the obstacles you must overcome in order to find the freedom type youve been searching for.

Hate to break it to ya, but, freedom's in RPGs for a reason. Theres no avoiding it or escaping it. Kinda ironic, isnt it? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Nai_Calus]

On 2005-12-17 10:44, OdinTyler wrote:

Yes, bodily freedom, & Ill prove it. Ill go by your scenarios one at a time:


This should be amusing.



1. OK youre gonna have to fight back against the guy who captured you & attacked your girl. You have to fight for your freedom & hers to be back with the one you love.


I don't think you quite read what I posted, here. Exactly how is one supposed to fight when one is paralyzed? Just spontaneously develop telekinetic powers so I can will my sword to go embed itself in the bad guy's skull? Oh yes, that works every time! </sarcasm> The girl could potentially still fight, unless she's your stereotypical useless weakling(Though in that case I wouldn't be dating her), sure. Or she could decide that she likes the bad guy more. Especially since he can still move and won't need to have someone take care of him for the rest of his life. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif



2. Searching for money means monetary freedom. The ability to not have to worry about covering your expenses. The same can be said for sexual conquests. You want the freedom to choose mates as you wish.


Money is one of those little traps, though. The more you have the more you want. And often the more you need as you start trying to live, once again, outside your means. You're dirt poor, but you want to try to live like you're middle class. And then if you get to middle class, you want to try to live like you're rich... And so it goes. Far from being freedom, money is often one of the most stifling things of all. Especially once you do get rich and then everyone around you wants a share. Heh.

And the blind conquest of mates is another little trap. In order to secure that kind of 'freedom' you give up a lot of your humanity. You stop thinking of people as people and as objects to be used and thrown away and get trapped in your own little mental rut. Some freedom.



3. Distractions are the obstacles you must overcome in order to find the freedom type youve been searching for.


Which has to do with anything how...? Sure, if you are searching for some kind of freedom, damn straight there'll be obstacles.

Especially since there's no real perfect freedom in anything. Perhaps beyond death, but that's a little bit distant and not something anyone here is qualified to discuss. But there's always going to be something. Oh sure, you can search for freedom all you want. But once you have your little utopian farm community or whatever... You're a slave to that 'freedom'. Gotta be nice to the neighbours and do your share of policing things, gotta get up before dawn to tend to your farm and your family. And gods help you if you find a way to make it to where you truly never have to worry about working or taking care of anything. Heh. Better to go back to slaving away at your farm, instead of being utterly trapped behind the mercy of what or whoever is taking care of you... X3

Heck, even searching for freedom or wanting to search for it is its own little trap.



Hate to break it to ya, but, freedom's in RPGs for a reason. Theres no avoiding it or escaping it. Kinda ironic, isnt it? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


Heh. Oh yes. You're right there. There's no escaping that, is there? Nope. Gotta have your freedom. Gotta have your rut.

Oh yes, and since it's so all-encompassing and important, but face it, most of us are too lazy to do anything about it, why not just entrust everything to Big Brother? He'll take care of you and make sure you have everything you need. Hee.

</cynical bastard>

I suggest tea, cookies, and a healthy dose of Sailor Moon episodes for us. Nothing like the power of love, justice and underage girls in short skirts. ^_-

[Rion772]

I think the songs ok, the lyrics aren't anything special. The lyrics could and should be re-written, I just don't like the lyrics much, not all too sure why. Hopefully the american version will be different (if this is really the jpn version).

[Kupi]

I realize now that, initially, I wasn't so clear. So long as we're talking about the virtues that heroes tend to fight for, what else other than "freedom" could you use? I realize there's a ton of other motivations that someone could have, but just in terms of heroic ideals, what better goal is there to sing about than "freedom"?



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[DeathMachine]

What's wrong with freedom? So what if it's cliche'd? You don't seem to care ALL of TV is cliche'd, or that all of any genre of anything is cliche'd. Why start with this game? I like the underlying "fight for freedom/be the hero"-type games. Am I a bastard for that?

[OdinTyler]

DM, youre someone I can relate to & fully agree with. Youre not picking anything apart. You see it as it is & accept it. If you didnt like what RPGs stood for, you wouldnt be here right? Perhaps some ppl should question what motivations they have for playing an RPG, not what motivations cause an RPG to be what it is.

Oh & Ian, tis not my posts that are amusing. Anything of mine that can stand to be analyzed...remember...I can do the same. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Espilonarge]

If Sonic Team uses the same format for the music in PSOBB (OGG) then theres bound to be people "changing" the tracks around with something more intresting (for PC users anyways.)

I wish they would bring in allot of older music from other PS games thoe, would make there original PS series more worth wild to look into like in PSO with both Battle stages (Temple and Spaceship were both PS2 tracks.) Mayby a remix of PS4's intro "End of the Mellennium" or perhaps Kuren's "Behind the Circuit." http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[OdinTyler]

I know Spaceship had some of PS2's battle music in it but whats this about Temple being an older track? Really? Which one(s)?

[Getintothegame]

I actually really like it. I just don't like all of the 'it is' in it.

To the poster below, yeah, you can hear the midi of his theme here (http://www.camineet.net/midi/ps2power.mid).

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[Parn]

On 2005-12-17 18:10, OdinTyler wrote:
I know Spaceship had some of PS2's battle music in it but whats this about Temple being an older track? Really? Which one(s)?
A longing to ancient times Part 1 - at the 1:20 mark, "Power", Lutz's theme from Phantasy Star 2 kicks in.

A longing to ancient times Part 2 - at the 1:22 mark, the cave music from Phantasy Star 1, the music that was remixed and plays in the Ladea Tower/Air Castle in Phantasy Star 4 kicks in.

[OdinTyler]

I never noticed that. Didnt sound that way to my ears. Perhaps I should give it another listen. Of course then, Id have to hear the originals again somehow to compare.

[Espilonarge]

Don't forget the intro movie for PSO had PS2's title theme (first part of the song anyways.) Lets just hope if they do plan to put any of the original PS series music in that it won't be as bad as the horrible PS2 conversions (changed the synths for the music but sounds much more horrible.)

[OdinTyler]

Thats probably why I dont recognize most of it. I picked up on PS2's battle music in the Spaceship theme. No way I could miss that! The other stuff I didnt catch it. Maybe one day. I said there should be an accessible sound test either in your room or somewhere in the GC's mall-like area. Not midis or remixes but the ORIGINAL songs, in their entirety. That would be great. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Only PSI-IV (& maybe the JP only games that never made it here). Pointless to have PSO music in PSU. You could just play PSO for that.

[Espilonarge]

Lets hope they have something similer to Forest's ambient track like in PSO. Found it to be rather calming, especially when in Forest 2 where it rains. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Nai_Calus]

*pats OT on the head, gives him a lollipop and ruffles his hair* Aww, they're so cute like this. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

What amuses me with spaceship's music is sitting there, picking out what comes from where in PS, realizing that I like most of these songs, and then realizing that PSO does such a bad job of remixing them that spaceship's music STILL sucks regardless. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Temple's music handles its remixing much better, and is pretty much my favourite PSO music. >_>

They should just steal the entirety of PSIV's soundtrack for PSU and screw writing any new music. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[OdinTyler]

Ian, if youre gonna be condescending, take it elsewhere, no one's interested.

As for the music, original mixed with old faves isnt so bad. I just wouldnt want ST relying on remixing old songs over & over. An in game sound test would be fine by me. Choosing which new music to use is the question tho. Depends on who they use to compose & orchestrate. Ive seen some pretty good music teams work with Sega before. Perhaps its time to call on them again.

[Fredrick]

Sure, PSU may turn out to be teh bestest gaem evar, but the opening song is still going to have really crappy lyrics. >_>;

Yes....Yes it is.

[DeathMachine]

I have no idea about PS1-4. I just started PS2, so I may recognize some of the songs as I go.



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[OdinTyler]

Well, if you ever get a chance to play the old games, do so, theyre great. Very different music style than from whats in PSO/PSU, but, thats ok. I would like to hear some futuristic sounding songs tho, reminiscent of PSII. That had the most futuristic feel out of all the PS games. I kinda miss that. That & the field music style of PSIII. As you gain more party members, it adds more accompaniment to the song. I LOVE THAT!

[F-o-x]

I thought that was a cool element from PSIII as well. The fact that once you get another party member it adds to the song until you're full and you hear the whole song http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif I'd like to see that in at least one PSU field or dungeon.

[OdinTyler]

Exactly. Compare the most basic theme of just yourself (say, Rhys) then imagine 4 other ppl. Not just improved, it feels...complete. Now, if we could do that with 6 parts. WOW. That would so rock. Its very much possible. Idk why they didnt think to do that before. LOL Imagine if you could pick from sample loops & come up with your own field music? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Sinue_v2]

I hate to return the thread to an old topic, but I haven't bene around for a few days to comment.

My main problem with the "Freedom" cliche, isn't so much that it's "cliche". After all, as RumorMaker on GameFaqs so poiniently notes: Skies of Arcadia is highly cliched. Yet it's still on of my favorite RPGs. The problem is that it's being commecialized, and being used as way to trick idiots into doing what certain companies/governments want them to do. It's a bastardization of a concept which should remain pure.

Now... if PSU had a storyline similar to PSII's, I could see the reference to freedom as a good thing. The majority of the storyline of PSII is about fighting for freedom against the Mother Brain. However, I see no such force mentioned in PSU worthy of even speculating. The AMF, Megashi's group, is simply an android contingent within the overall population. The main enemy, as shown so far, is SEED - which the AMF is simply trying to manipulate to their own advantage.

The way PSU presents the ideal of "Fighting for Freedom" without any substancial opressive force to actually fight against makes it feel very commecial.. as though it's being thrown in there to simply appeal to the new wave of nationalism which was born out of the "war on terror".

The ideal of "fighting for freedom against bodily harm" is too loose of a definition for me to accept. I don't recall any clause in the constitution of the US (or other countries) which defines bodily freedom as a right.. nor do I recall any distinction in the Native American traditions (who are actually the originators of the ideals of freedom we've come to embrace) which guantee freedom from bodily harm.

Perhaps I could understnad a bit more if there was an opressive organization going around inflicting bodily harm on people... but there isn't. While bodily harm -HAS- been used BY certain organizations/institutions - it's always been used as a tool to keep a populace in line with certain religeious/political ideolouges.

I believe that using such vauge and broad terms to describe freedom cheapen and degrade it's meaning. You lose focus of what's truely important and worth fighting for freedom. Things which allow you to be the individual you choose to be.. like freedom of speach, religeon, sexual preference, and knowladge. Things which certain organzations and religeons have tried to keep away from people in a vain attempt to stay in power.

I could write up an RPG about someone wishing for freedom from flatulence - questing the land to rid everyone of obnoxious farts, finally battling the Cabbage King on the precipice of his "White Castle". That's just a stupid idea though, and a very irresponible/laughable use of a term which defines us so many vitally important freedoms.

[OdinTyler]

So celebrating 100 years of peace & having a celebration isnt a major event then? It was during this event that they are attacked, people are attacked & or killed, & Ethan's sister is kidnapped. If there arent freedoms being violated there, then Idk what to tell you. That alone is ENOUGH reason to fight...& yes, as William Wallace once said:

"They may take our lives...but, theyll never take...OUR FREEDOM!"

[Sinue_v2]

Where do major events, like the peace celebration, even factor into my argument? How does it's attack = a loss of freedom? Attacks don't make you lose freedom - it's what comes after those attacks which do. When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor - no-one clammored that Japan was repressing our freedom. They woke up and relized what would happen if we were defeated - and the Axis powers were allowed to exert their control over us. That was the freedom our troops were fighting for in that war.

In the current war, the terrorists aren't fighting to strip us of our freedom.. they're fighting to get us out of their lands so that they can exert whatever screwed up pervesion of the Kuran backed regime they want. The only people who are attacking our freedom are the ones who are so scared of the "terrorist" boogyman that they're willing to piss away their rights in order to regain the illusion of security (despite the fact that you're far more likely to die by a meteorite strike than a terrorist attack). There's a famous saying, you know, that one of our founding fathers said about trading away freedom for security. Read my sig for a clue...

As for PSU, the only freedom that's being fought for - from what I have seen - is Lumia's own freedom from her kidnappers. However, I'm sure that you realize that her kidnapping is merely a plot-device which leads into the greater storyline - and hardly proportionate enough in scale or scope to the main story to have the theme music based around it.

Yes, is a very broad and very loose sence - many RPG's do involve some form of fighting for some form of freedom. However, the ideal is generally never thrust into your face in the manner in PSU's theme does - expecially when there are far more profound and philosophical ideals the designers generally want to get across. Playing the "Freedom" card so poiniently just feels like, as I said, a cheap bid to cash in on a trendy buzzword.



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[NeoCastAvalon]

First, I'll just note a few things I believe are mistaken in the lyrics. Of course, this isn't the official English and not of us have heard it, all of this is subjective.

While I agree with most of it, I have a good ear for this sort of thing, whether it's the official English or not.


It is not too late, it's our home so don't say that it's fate
We must not give up to build our future on our dreams
We will never lie down to die
But we'll find a way to survive
we all have somebody we love,
we know that's why we're here

The 3rd line, you can hear on the MP3 is definitely "and die" not "to die"

We will never lie down and die


We battle for freedom
It is a battle against the dawn
I have my dreams
you know I'm not afraid of bleeding

This is a tricky one because the sound isn't that clear with her pitch. However, I strongly believe she is saying "dark". It makes more sense and it's more fitting to the statement of the song. You're hoping for the dawn fighting to keep the darkness at bay.

The rest is just in typos which could be glanced over or corrected by whoever copies then, or ignored when the official lyrics become available.
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Now for all this about "the song sucks" this and "the lyrics don't make sense" that. It's getting sort of stupid to constantly hear complaints every time a song from a game is done in English.

Japanese is not the universal language, it's not even the first language of gaming, which btw, is ENGLISH.

The song is great, the lyrics make sense, and you can't call them campy without saying the same about a lot of other songs, regardless of language. I'll puke if I have to hear the Naruto theme anymore.

Personally, I think Sega/Sonic Team have usually done a great song with songs. The Sonic Adventure games (including Shadow the Hedgehog) have had fantastic tracks. Skies of Arcadia was great. Most PSO songs do stick out in my head to the point I'm humming them, especially "Pray, for "IDOLA" the distorted" (Dark Falz), "Cry, for "IDOLA" the holy" (Dark Falz 3), and DEFINITELY "Can still see the Light."

That's just my opinion, but at some point, nit-picking has to stop. The lyrics are about Ethan's struggle especially to save his sister and friends and I'm fine with that.

Now excuse me, I've had the song on a continuous loop since 11:30PM and I'm not tired of it yet.

[Tystys]

Way to revive a damn near year old topic, there buddy!

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Holy topic necromancy, Batman!

[Tystys]

Well, while we're at it, just might as well leave it be for now....

QUICK LOGIK, TAKE THE BACK DOOR DAMNIT TAKE THE BACK DOOR!

[NeoCastAvalon]

This exact topic was linked directly from Google.

So I followed it and I'm here.