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Espilonarge
Dec 27, 2005, 05:17 AM
Most of the PS series had Slicers but for some reason its like there non-exsistant in PSU. Does anyone know whats happening with them?

I still think Slicers are rather useful for hitting multiple enemies (like Shotguns in PSO) plus carrying two of them allowed for serious damage (Alys in PSIV.)

Nash
Dec 27, 2005, 08:56 AM
I think there's still a couple of classes of weapons to be revealed, so hopefully slicers will be one of them.

One of my favourite weapons as well.

TheFluffiest
Dec 27, 2005, 09:21 AM
This is exactly what I said in the weapon discussion thread a long time ago! The fox needs his slicers! Gah! Slicers have always been my favorite weapon, since PSII, and with the re-introduction of dual-wielding one-handed weapons, then carrying around two boomerangs of slicey destruction is the stuff of my dreams!

There will be slicers, or much carnage will ensue. ... ... ... Well, much carnage will ensue either way, but one will be in game, while the other is definitely not virtual. A cookie to whoever guesses which is which! ^.^

OdinTyler
Dec 27, 2005, 09:50 AM
Well apparently, we NEED to have slicers in PSU or a certain fox will get upset. I do agree that theyre part of PS gameplay & should be included. Lets hope they are. Best slicer user Ive seen (char-wise) would be Anna from PSII. She was definitely the best at it.

littleman2347
Dec 27, 2005, 10:06 AM
it would be great to have 2 slicers i would look like an x when you first start atking then disperse in 2 different directions that would be nice

OdinTyler
Dec 27, 2005, 10:22 AM
Since accuracy is important with slicers, its important to note that those that are accurate with guns should (but not necessarily) be accurate with slicers. Given that we've primarly seen humans use slicers & they have small hands, suffice to say they (& newmans) should be good at them. This doesnt mean a cast or beast couldnt. Theyd just need higher dex to use them properly. Thoughts?

Niki
Dec 27, 2005, 01:02 PM
i'm in agreement on Slicers being a high-DEX weapon. Ever tried using an Aboriginal boomerang? To hit multiple targets? Yeah.

i'd also like to see them in PSU. i'm not sure how effective it would be, but dual-wielding a Slicer and Sabre seems kinda badass.

Espilonarge
Dec 27, 2005, 01:26 PM
Well if Slicers do come back, it'll most likely be best used with Humans and Casts.

Newmans focus to much on Techniques rather then using melee/long-range weapons. Only use long-range weapons if your out of TP and want to keep your distance. Best using a Slicer for multiple targets and a Gun for just a single enemy (like a boss.)

Beasts tend to be the Power-Houses of PSU relying off power and strength then anything else. Unfortunly I doubt they'll be good with a Slicer because even if they are the strongest of all four classes, their accuracy will most likely be sloppy. Best being up close and personal where the battle is with a Sabre/Sword then using a Slicer. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I can only go by pheory and what infomation I've been given thoe. Sega's lack of respect towards Australia has been... quite pitiful as of late.

I don't want to be waiting several months for PSU to be released here, especially the PC version. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 27, 2005, 09:35 PM
Well, given that slicers have been in the series since II, Id find it odd that they wouldnt be included. Remember, theres a fox on here thats gonna be seriously pissed off if he/she doesnt get his/her slicers. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Dre_o
Dec 27, 2005, 09:40 PM
Supposidly, in one of the videos a while ago, there was a glimpse of something like a slicer blade flying around in the background but it is debatable.

OdinTyler
Dec 27, 2005, 09:48 PM
If you can, find a pic please. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

TheFluffiest
Dec 28, 2005, 08:44 AM
Silly Odin, I clearly said "his" in my post. =P But, yes, I agree, any type of confirmation, a picture or maybe even just identification of which video you saw this in, would be more than greatly appreciated. ^.^;

OdinTyler
Dec 28, 2005, 09:35 AM
Hey hey now, I was defending you. No calling me silly. Otherwise, I'LL let the dogs out http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif & you know they hunt foxes. LOL

F-o-x
Dec 28, 2005, 03:17 PM
I'm sure slicers will be included, because as its been said its a staple weapon of the series. If they aren't however... I won't miss them. I never really liked PSO's slicers all that much, but thats just me. And who knows? Maybe slicers have been tweaked in PSU and maybe I'll like them this time http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

TheFluffiest
Dec 28, 2005, 06:41 PM
Odin: No dogs, please. It was all in good spirits. ;.;

F-o-x: Blasphemy! Not liking slicers! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 28, 2005, 07:45 PM
Fluff: I know.
Fox: I agree in that in PSO they werent that great. In other games, yep, slicers do rock. However with PSO I didnt get that sense of nostalgia I had before. They werent as powerful nor as accurate as they once were. I hope theyve been improved upon.

Espilonarge
Dec 28, 2005, 08:47 PM
At first I thought Slicers were like Boomerangs when I saw Alys first use them (since that was the first PS game I played) where they came back to you. Unfortunly their more like a disc, getting thrown once and just hitting multiple enemies never to return.

I just wanna see them do Slicers the "cool" way you could in PSIV at the same time. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Now I wonder if they'll allow for Skills, anyone up for Vortex? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 29, 2005, 05:54 PM
Slicers ARE boomerangs. If you look at them closeup in PSO, thats exactly what they are. Unfortunately, they havent been as effective as they once were in past games. I (& Im sure others do) pray that their effectiveness is returned.

Espilonarge
Dec 30, 2005, 01:12 AM
Slicers are NOT boomerangs. If they don't return, their just a Flying Stick. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 01:20 AM
Well the 'stick' as you put it is curved & if you look at the closeup pics, they ARE boomerangs. They just dont work as well as past ones. Not my fault they were messed up.

Sinue_v2
Dec 30, 2005, 02:32 AM
Well, Slicers have been in every single PS game since PSII, and they have the same look and animations as their higher/lower-leveled cousins in the same weapon class - Slashers and Boomerangs

So, in-so-far as Phantasy Star is concered.. there is no difference between Boomberangs and Slicers/Slashers. (Though in previous games, Slicers/Slashers were solid, and it could be assumed that they returned to the weilder since they aren't limited use items. However, it would be pointless to have a blade of light return to the user as it's easily replaced for the next attack by the weapon's power supply)

So yeah... I agree that Boomerangs don't have to return to the weilder. After all, a real-life Boomerang is still a Boomerang, even if you can't get it to return to you. Not to mention that it IS a weapon, and upon striking an enemy/prey it loses the ability to return to it's owner.

Espilonarge
Dec 30, 2005, 11:59 AM
On 2005-12-29 22:20, OdinTyler wrote:
Well the 'stick' as you put it is curved & if you look at the closeup pics, they ARE boomerangs. They just dont work as well as past ones. Not my fault they were messed up.
Don't start telling us Australians that a arrow shaped stick that doesn't come back is a boomerang! http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 03:31 PM
Youre gonna tell a part Native American what an arrow is? LOL Boomerangs arent arrows, never said they were. Slicers are boomerangs & theyre supposed to return. If they dont, well, it needs to be reforged to try again.

Espilonarge
Dec 30, 2005, 03:41 PM
No if a boomerang doesn't return, don't bother collecting it because its a dud. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And by arrow, I ment how you get those extra wide V looking things. XD

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 04:04 PM
Boomerangs were carved from wood. But, being that this is thousands of years in the future, theyre known metal & photons, so they must be forged. They can have accuracy programmed & should reflect as such. Therefore, if it doesnt return as promised, the programmed should be smacked repeatedly.

kazuma56
Dec 30, 2005, 06:27 PM
I think that all the weapons that are NOT shown will be special weapon only weapon types...Remeber in PSO where the Double Saber was only found via special weapon and didn't come with the initial 4 or 5 regular stages most of the other classes had (barring photon launcher/Dual sabers/Cards etc).

Dre_o
Dec 30, 2005, 07:12 PM
kazuma has a good point. The only problem I can see with his idea is that they have told us the maximum # of types of weapons there are going to be (Can't remember if it was 12 or 22 or something like that http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif) so unless they are going to make an exemption to that.... well I don't know.

And a side note: though I don't have room to speak, Guys, Boomerangs? Arrows? Pretty petty arguement don't ya think? http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif One way or another, slicers will be projectile weapons that pierce enemies. If they return, good. If they don't, too bad.

kazuma56
Dec 30, 2005, 07:36 PM
On 2005-12-30 16:12, Dre_o wrote:
kazuma has a good point. The only problem I can see with his idea is that they have told us the maximum # of types of weapons there are going to be (Can't remember if it was 12 or 22 or something like that http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif) so unless they are going to make an exemption to that.... well I don't know.



That would make sense...although I don't know if they stated that for PSO when it was being released...because then we all know that was a lie when you count the secret weapon types.

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 07:38 PM
Dre: Theyre just playful jabs. You should know about that, right? As for my thoughts on boomerangs/slicers, Ive talked about that already. I wont die if theyre not in the game, but, they should be there.

Kazuma: I understand where youre coming from. However, doublesabers were announced already as 1 of the supposed 20 wep types. They just look a bit different now. I kinda figured that unless theres more than 20, there will be sub weapon classes & if slicers are in there, theyll fall into some class. Also, for all we know there may well be extra weps we know not about.

kazuma56
Dec 30, 2005, 08:28 PM
Kazuma: I understand where youre coming from. However, doublesabers were announced already as 1 of the supposed 20 wep types. They just look a bit different now. I kinda figured that unless theres more than 20, there will be sub weapon classes & if slicers are in there, theyll fall into some class. Also, for all we know there may well be extra weps we know not about.



I know double Sabers have been announced, i'm just stating that even though they have confirmed X amount of weapons it doesn't mean that there won't be "secret" classes of weapons.

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 08:45 PM
And again, I agree with you. Its entirely possible. If we count slicers, thats 21. Makes you wonder how many other types there would be?

Espilonarge
Dec 30, 2005, 10:11 PM
On 2005-12-30 13:04, OdinTyler wrote:
Boomerangs were carved from wood. But, being that this is thousands of years in the future, theyre known metal & photons, so they must be forged. They can have accuracy programmed & should reflect as such. Therefore, if it doesnt return as promised, the programmed should be smacked repeatedly.
Atleast ours return and arn't immitations. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 30, 2005, 11:30 PM
Theyre not imitations. Its like anywhere between 5 & 7000 AD (going by Earth time) approximately. Technology will advance many things, including boomerangs. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Espilonarge
Dec 31, 2005, 10:58 AM
Their still duds if they can't return thoe. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Oh well, lets hope if we do get Slicers we can dual wield them like Alys in PSIV, first time I've seen them actually make it look soooo good. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

OdinTyler
Dec 31, 2005, 11:13 AM
Cant forget about Anna tho. She would be great for groups of the same enemy type. One of my regulars in my PSII groups. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Rolf, Rudo, Anna, & any other is a pretty good team. I used Shir alot as I loved 'borrowing' stuff from the shops. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Alisha
Dec 31, 2005, 11:30 AM
im amazed a topic about the prospect of slicers being missing is 3 pages long im more concerned about scythes! no FOmarl is complete without one!!!


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Kano-Okami
Dec 31, 2005, 12:11 PM
But aren't scythes just an image variation of the partisans?..
wait...
..have partisans been mention..?

OdinTyler
Dec 31, 2005, 12:38 PM
Scythes would come under a partisan subclass, yes. Im pretty sure theyll be in there as most likely, a special wep. Im not worried. If theyre not there, well, that IS going to be a problem.

Espilonarge
Dec 31, 2005, 03:33 PM
Well wouldn't it also come under the "Spear" class weaponry or is it another new class of its own. c.c

Kano-Okami
Dec 31, 2005, 04:05 PM
On 2005-12-31 12:33, Espilonarge wrote:
Well wouldn't it also come under the "Spear" class weaponry or is it another new class of its own. c.c

I'd think the "spear" item would be used for thrusting, much like a lance, judging from the snapshot..but then again, I may be wrong.

OdinTyler
Dec 31, 2005, 06:20 PM
Yes, a spear would be thrusting where as a partisan or scythe would be a slashing weapon. It would be odd to see them under the same class. Idk if ST plans to elaborate further on wep classes but they should.

DizzyDi
Dec 31, 2005, 07:53 PM
I think spears, partisans, and scythes (if they include them in the game) will all go under the same class as polearms. Thats how it usually is in most games at least.

Zindura
Jan 1, 2006, 03:04 PM
I wonder if Boomerangs will be included in PSU. It'd be cheesy if they didn't return to the user after being thrown. Perhaps their attack area will be an arc in front of the thrower, like how Link throws boomerangs in some of the later Zelda games?

But no matter the way the boomerang is thrown, it's going to be really akward to use them in close quarters, and there are bound to be narrow passageways.

Boomerangs were dropped from the past PSO games, probably for this reason. I'm currently playing PS4, but I haven't encountered any slicers yet, and I haven't made it terribly far in PS2. Slicers were convienient for PSO cause' they were one-way throwing weapons.

OdinTyler
Jan 1, 2006, 03:44 PM
Zin, in PSIV, Alys Brangwin uses boomerangs. Sort of her trademark weapon. Same goes for Anna Zirski of PSII. Shes DAMN good with em. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Zindura
Jan 3, 2006, 03:42 PM
Hmm. I was misled by Espilonarge, and thought that perhaps I hadn't played far enough to encounter slicers. I'm not using any sort of photon-based weaponry in PSIV yet, I'm still on my merry way to what's-his-face's castle. Y'know, the guy who likes to burn villages and stone people.

OdinTyler
Jan 3, 2006, 05:08 PM
Zio. Yep, I hate that bastard. No, photons arent in the game. Thats pretty much a PSO/PSU thing. Make sure to do some leveling up & keep Gryz by your side. Hes a good char. http://pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Good luck.

Shadow_Wing
Jan 5, 2006, 01:51 AM
Make sure to do some leveling up & keep Gryz by your side.

Did it underlvled, bad idea lol I almost died at Zio X,x;;

And why wouldn't u have Gryz by ur side O,o;;.

Kent
Jan 5, 2006, 04:35 AM
There are video(s) displaying usage of polearm-type weapons. They have more Dynasty Warriors-style attack animations now, than they did in PSO.

And don't worry, Slicers will still be in the game. They're really a signature of the series, they kinda have to be in the game...

DeathMachine
Jan 5, 2006, 11:54 AM
We can only hope. Rappy's Fans were useful. Smack some enemies, then get them to smack each other.

The original boomerangs were not intended to return. They were made for great throwing distances and killing prey. So, it doesn't matter if they return. Also, you cant use both weapons at the same time when dual weilding. So no Alis copycats in PSU.

OdinTyler
Jan 5, 2006, 01:23 PM
Alis used a sword. Alys used boomerangs. Ill just get mention out of the way. They shouldve never named Leila, Alys. Causes too many problems. Anyway, as for PSU, it hasnt been said that you cant use 2 of the same of any wep. Thats just speculation. I personally believe you can use any 2, 1 handed weps however you want, including 2 boomerangs/slicers/fans/whatever. You gotta understand that what Ethan has been showing in the game demo & pics are just samples of what CAN be used. Its not necessarily the only possible combinations one can use.