Duping is already possible for the GCN PSO Epi I & II...

[RUNE_WALSH]

I was catching up on GAMEFAQ GameCube PSO Epi I & II board, when I came across several post that reports of a German article saying that players found a glitch in the game. The glitch allows players to dupe items without using a cheat device.

Yes, you heard right. Duping is possible already in the JP version of PSO Epi I & II without a cheat device.

According to the article, it also states that many angry emails was sent to Sonic Team from German importers and Japan players in regards to this problem.

I am sorry I don't know how to put the link thingy to the posts, but it is in GAMEFAQ GCN PSO Epi I & II Boards. Someone did a pretty good translation of the German article.

This is bad if it is true. It's not only 3 days since the JP release of the game, and ppl can already dupe items.

[merlin]

But duping without a cheat device was also very easy for the DC.......for a short time. They corrected the problem.

It still boils down to the same end result. Are you going to, or not? You have the choice to ignore it if you wish.

[HC82]

Well... if it's some how done offline I don't see how it can be fixed, unless items have some sort of #ID. In which case they could patch the servers so if two of the same #id numbers are present in a game the items get deleted.

Then again I don't know how it's done, so maybe ST can fix it.

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[Danger_Girl]

On 2002-09-16 13:42, merlin wrote:
But duping without a cheat device was also very easy for the DC.......for a short time. They corrected the problem.

It still boils down to the same end result. Are you going to, or not? You have the choice to ignore it if you wish.



*Kicks Merlin's tush for old times sake*
You know darn well they're going to have a bunch of cheats out for it sooner or later. Merlin is right. Its all a matter of how you want to play your game. They have password locks to keep the cheaters out if you want. Personaly I don't care about dupes and generated weaps. It really isn't going to ruin the game for me. I used to be into that whole 'I'm legit and your not so you suck thing', but I grew out of that phase. Now I'm an older, wiser DangerGirl, who knows that its to each their own.

[merlin]

Which is PRECISELY why good 'ol DangerGirl is one of my favorite people to game with.

I don't hack or dupe. BUT......I WAS kinda fond of a certain overblown spread needle that was a gift to me. I simply just used easy shot, grabbed my exp then stepped back. I would never use it to piss anyone off.

*spanks DG back....just fer old times sake*

[jonny-5]

Ya I guess we could have all seen this one coming...but oh well... if some people want to use their money cheat on the game by using the dupes thats fine by me... Do I agree with it? No, but they bought it and they can do whatever they want with it. However, if they make some kind on pk or fsod code then thats when I will start getting pissed...

[_xX_Frosty_Xx_]

I wouldn't worry about it......ST will fix it most likely....

[LollipopLolita]

this info has already been posted in cheaters, where this thread will be moved to.

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Meep. I guess I'll copy my s-ranks so I can do battle mode without having to worry about FSOD.

[Takahashi]

It only works offline and if u dupe special weps and go online with them they are automatical deleted but other than that u can dupe mats and stuff so, http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[RUNE_WALSH]

For those of you that says that rares have unique ID#s now - where is the proof of this?

Hypothetically, if there is a unique ID# for each rare, someone at GAMEFAQ brought up a good point : Is the rare time-stamped? If not, here's a scenario he used :

Say you are playing multiplayer offline. You duped a rare. Gave one of the rare to your friends OFFLINE. Then he goes ONLINE with his memory card. Your friend makes a trade with the duped rare. Then you go ONLINE with your memory card and your rare.

HOW IN THE WORLD THE SERVER DETECT THERE ARE TWO IDENTICAL RARES, IF THE TRADED RARE WENT OFFLINE WHILE YOU ARE ONLINE? If the rare is not time-stamped, which rare will be deleted? You have to remember that the game is NOT server-dide saved, it is memory card saved. Confusing questions, huh?

As for ppl who believe that ST can easily patch this or fix this, it will be difficult because the glitch is in the software - it is not a code. Other than re-writing the software or banning the player/item, the server cannot do anything to 'fix' this.





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[RagMasterRappy]

This is why they didn't do an international release the same day of the JP release I bet. Anyway, Sonic Team still has time to patch copies of PSO for the GameCube before releasing it in the US and other countries. They could also patch the JP version as well and discretely release that into the public with the bug fixed. It's probably something not that big that might be able to be fixed quickly.

[BaronLaw]

On 2002-09-16 15:23, jonny-5 wrote:
Ya I guess we could have all seen this one coming...but oh well... if some people want to use their money cheat on the game by using the dupes thats fine by me... Do I agree with it? No, but they bought it and they can do whatever they want with it. However, if they make some kind on pk or fsod code then thats when I will start getting pissed...



No one has the right to " do whatever they want with " PSO Episode 1&2. There are parameters to the game set by the creators. Purchasing PSO merely gives the end user the right to use the software, not alter it or bring illegitimate items online.

BaronLaw

[Nerd]

USA peeps are the worst cheaters anyway, so hopefully it will be fixed. One way or another this game will go ghetto, just enjoy it while u can.

[jonny-5]

Baron, you are taking what I said out of context. I said they could do whatever they want because who is going to stop them? You? Me? No... if someone really wants to cheat they will... Is it allowed? Of course not. Do I agree that they should do it? No. But the same can be said about a lot of things... For example - downloading mp3's. Is it legal? No... But people can do whatever they want. However there are penalties for whatever wrong actions you make. For example, people could get banned from PSO if they use dupes and people can be fined, sued or sent to prison for stealing music. But the fact remains... people still do it and the only one stopping them is themselves. So in other words "they can do whatever they want " but does that mean they have the "right" to? No..

[jonny-5]

Also in my post about doing whatever they wanted to, I was mainly referring to if they want to pay 100+ dollars to play a game and mess it up for themselves then thats fine by me. It's not my money...

[RagMasterRappy]

On 2002-09-16 22:01, jonny-5 wrote:
Also in my post about doing whatever they wanted to, I was mainly referring to if they want to pay 100+ dollars to play a game and mess it up for themselves then thats fine by me. It's not my money...


The rather "sick" thing about the people who obsessively cheat is that they don't view their actions as wrong. If you haven't noticed already they do it because it makes them feel good.

[BaronLaw]

On 2002-09-16 21:57, jonny-5 wrote:
Baron, you are taking what I said out of context. I said they could do whatever they want because who is going to stop them? You? Me? No... if someone really wants to cheat they will... Is it allowed? Of course not. Do I agree that they should do it? No. But the same can be said about a lot of things... For example - downloading mp3's. Is it legal? No... But people can do whatever they want. However there are penalties for whatever wrong actions you make. For example, people could get banned from PSO if they use dupes and people can be fined, sued or sent to prison for stealing music. But the fact remains... people still do it and the only one stopping them is themselves. So in other words "they can do whatever they want " but does that mean they have the "right" to? No..



The reasoning you offered ( make a purchase, and then one can cheat) made it seem as though you were rationalizing cheating.

BaronLaw

[gallaugher]

I don't think Sega has the time to 'patch' the US release to fix this. It was originally scheduled to be released at the beginning of October. There must be thousands of copies of the game already produced & packaged. Do you think Sega would take the financial hit & throw out all these games & then start making them again? It's unlikely. If they do this we won't see PSO in the US until January!!!!

[RUNE_WALSH]

Gallagher has a good point. 54,000 JP version has already been sold, I don't see this as a 'small' problem.

True, some of you can lock yourself out with password games - no different from PSO v2. To each his own, I supposed.

Others think that duping is not that bad. Or that those who think duping is bad has a 'holier than thou' complex - I stand to disagree. Duping cheapens the difficulty of the game as well as the purpose of trading. Why implement a trading system in the software if rares are as cheap as free to give - no effort in finding them. The game probably becomes half difficult if everyone can easily obtain the best weapons.

All this is beginning to make me wonder about the "New Sega". One of their best development houses (ie. Sonic Team) can't even detect such a common glitch that was encountered before in v1 version. Did they actually took the time to thoroughly test out the game or are they in such a hurry to make the bux, that they just send it out the door? It is not like this is the first version of the game - this is ST's 3rd incarnation of the same game.

[RagMasterRappy]

Well it's true that they did already sell a lot of JP copies of the game but I was suggesting that they fix the software bug before releasing it in the US to at least stop other people from exploiting the bug. But giving that more thought, I doubt it will happen because of the extra time and money needed to retest the software. The exploit is most likely something that's not a real huge problem from a programming perspective (just a guess), but if you want to expand your view to how this bug will affect online play then, yes, it is a major problem, but at the same time not really. Eventually people will find and keep and use lots of legit rares, some people might just be doing that sooner and more often.

And please try not to be too hard on Sonic Team. They're one of the best game designers, but they've still need to gain more experience when it comes to managing a large online world.

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[jonny-5]

ok let me just put it this way... I said before that if they cheat and it affects ME, the I will get pissed...but I am not gonna get myself really that upset about something like duping...

I have done it before in v1 and many people on these message boards have done it several times... Do I feel bad about it ? Ya because I in part jacked up the PSO trading and commerece system ST set up...but still can I stop others from doing it? Most likely , no. Thats why I dont get upset because I have come to realize that cheating will always be out there no matter what we do. Now if this issue was about someone stealing other peoples stuff and pking and stuff of that sort, I would be extremly pissed...

Anyways I will just try to leave it at that... Sorry for arguing Baron http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif And again I am not saying cheating is good or accpetable at all... Its just that I have come to terms that it will always be out there and there is not much I can do about it...

[saffaya]

And please try not to be too hard on Sonic Team. They're one of the best game designers,

No excuses. Absolutely no excuses.
Sonic Team WAS one of the best designers. They just kept going down since PSO v1.

but they've still need to gain more experience when it comes to managing a large online world.

The duping cheat is done OFFLINE.

After all the cheating on DC, after the network trial period, after delaying the product launch one month due to bugs, the game's item value is destroyed without cheat device in 5 days ?

NO WAY.

[Spy]

Sorry, but if there is a bug in the game due to a programmers, error, I say exploit it. Not many people had a problem with the "walking through walls" bug, and this really should be no exception.

It's up to the programmers to release a viable product, and if they don't it's their job to rectify the problem.

[Dellimia]

On 2002-09-16 21:23, BaronLaw wrote:

On 2002-09-16 15:23, jonny-5 wrote:
Ya I guess we could have all seen this one coming...but oh well... if some people want to use their money cheat on the game by using the dupes thats fine by me... Do I agree with it? No, but they bought it and they can do whatever they want with it. However, if they make some kind on pk or fsod code then thats when I will start getting pissed...



No one has the right to " do whatever they want with " PSO Episode 1&2. There are parameters to the game set by the creators. Purchasing PSO merely gives the end user the right to use the software, not alter it or bring illegitimate items online.

BaronLaw



This fact does not stop anyone now does it?

[RUNE_WALSH]

If the news of replacing the glitched GCN PSO Epi I & II is true (at the front of this website). Then I am soooooo relieved; so relieved.

I think ST is doing the right thing by replacing the game for online play; thank you ST.

Now, I can't wait to get the game.

True, cheating will still occur sooner or later - but it will be much harder and will not happen for a while anyways. Return of PSO paradise for now.

[Alisha]

i think some people have superiority complexes-i first noticed this with kaetwyn he found a green ring after countless hours of searching and he was frustrated because anybody else could just hack one
people need to really just put there jealousy aside and play the damn game

note this post is not intended to condone cheating

[BaronLaw]

On 2002-09-18 21:10, Dellimia wrote:

On 2002-09-16 21:23, BaronLaw wrote:

On 2002-09-16 15:23, jonny-5 wrote:
Ya I guess we could have all seen this one coming...but oh well... if some people want to use their money cheat on the game by using the dupes thats fine by me... Do I agree with it? No, but they bought it and they can do whatever they want with it. However, if they make some kind on pk or fsod code then thats when I will start getting pissed...



No one has the right to " do whatever they want with " PSO Episode 1&2. There are parameters to the game set by the creators. Purchasing PSO merely gives the end user the right to use the software, not alter it or bring illegitimate items online.

BaronLaw



This fact does not stop anyone now does it?



The fact that cheating occurs in some games doesn't legitimize its practice, now does it ?

The existence of cheating is distinct from the question of its legitimacy.

BaronLaw



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[RUNE_WALSH]

Well, I guess some ppl do have 'superiority complexes' when they find a rare that nobody could. They like to brag about that exploit, and I believe they have every right to do so.

Why? Because it was their time and effort that had led to their discovery. The spirit of Capitalism, I suppose - your rewards are based on your time and energy you have put in your endeavors.

Duping/hacking breaks this. Why even put any effort when someone can hand you one for free. Why even brag or get excited from a rare if everyone else has one. I guess everyone will become a more 'humble' person if everyone has the same duped item, now would it? Sort of like Communism...