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EphekZ
Jan 29, 2006, 01:16 AM
this is from an email I got:

NOTE: VERY LONG

"Make the Pie Higher!" poem is composed of actual quotes from George W. Bush.

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* MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
by George W. Bush

I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
and potential mental losses.

Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the Internet become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?

They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being and the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream.

Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher!
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* "I think we all agree, the past is over."

In March 2000, Texas governor George W. Bush locked up the Republican presidential nomination, beating out his chief rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, in a rancorous primary campaign marked by personal attacks and charges of dirty tactics on the part of both sides. Two months later Senator McCain somewhat reluctantly endorsed Governor Bush for president during a joint appearance at the Westin William Penn Hotel in Pittsburgh, where both men tried their best (somewhat unconvincingly) to assure the press that they had put their differences behind them:

Both sides swapped charges of dirty campaign tactics. McCain aides accused Bush supporters of personal attacks, and Mr. Bush denounced McCain forces for suggesting that the governor was guilty of anti-Catholic bigotry. On Tuesday, the pair told some 200 journalists that they had discussed policy, not personal history.

"There's no point," Mr. McCain said. "I hold no rancor. Others will be the judge of this campaign, not me."

Mr. Bush said the McCain challenge toughened him for the fall campaign against Mr. Gore.

"We had a tough primary," Mr. Bush said. "I told him point blank: 'You made me a better candidate.'"

Later, on his campaign plane, the governor described the discussion as "very cordial, very frank, very open." He added: "I think we agree, the past is over."1

* "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."

On the campaign trail in South Carolina while pursuing the Republican nomination in January 2000, Governor Bush spoke before 2,000 loyal Republicans at a well-attended oyster roast held on a plantation outside Charleston and mystified his audience when, during his discourse on the need for a strengthened U.S. military, he made reference not to "mental" losses (which itself would have sounded odd in the given context), but to "mential" (pronounced "men-shul") losses:

During his visit to South Carolina this week, the first Bushism exploded as the governor painted a passionate picture of the military dangers facing the US, and the pressing need for protection against rogue missile launches.

"This is still a dangerous world," he told more than 2,000 supporters at an oyster roast. "It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mential losses." Bush's spokespeople could not immediately explain what a mential loss was, but it seemed only distantly related to missile launches.2

* "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?'"

During that same South Carolina campaign swing in January 2000, Governor Bush committed another grammatical mix-up while wrangling a sentence containing both singular and plural subjects, this example occurring (with a modicum of irony) during the portion of his stump speech dealing with education:

That's not to say Bush hasn't had his share of flubs. Part of his stump speech focuses on education. On Tuesday, talking to a crowd of several hundred at a cavernous civic center in Florence, S.C., Bush decried those who ignore educational programs that produce no results -- inadvertently revealing a temporary shortcoming in his own grammar skills.

"What's not fine is rarely is the question asked, are, is our children learning?" Bush said.3

* "Will the highways of the Internet become more few?"

During his January 2000 push to win the first primary election of the campaign, held in New Hampshire, Governor Bush was asked to comment on the recently announced merger of media giants Time Warner and AOL, and he addressed concerns over its potential monopolistic effects with some unusual phrasing:

When asked about the Time Warner/America Online merger, the candidate took an unexpected detour on the information superhighway.

The key question in considering the merger, Bush said, is "will the highways to the Internet become more few?"4

* "How many hands have I shaked?"

By October 1999 Republicans were noting Governor Bush's relatively rare appearances in New Hampshire and were beginning to question whether he had assumed he had the nomination sewn up and could afford to take the February 2000 New Hampshire primary for granted. When reporters persistently questioned him about that possibility on 22 October 1999, during his first campaign swing through New Hampshire since early September, Governor Bush expressed the notion that the important factor was not the number of appearances he made, but the number of people he reached during those appearances:

Asked repeatedly today about why he had not been around more, Mr. Bush at one point interrupted a reporter's question to say, "The important question is, How many hands have I shaked."5

* "They misunderestimate me."

The misuse of 'misunderestimate' for 'underestimate' seems to be one of George W. Bush's more common elocutionary mistakes. We can't pin down exactly when he used 'misunderestimate' for the first time in a public statement as a presidential candidate; the earliest print reference we could find appeared in the Chicago Sun-Times on 13 November 2000, but it didn't detail where and when he said it. Nonetheless, Bush was still using the word (and catching himself at it) after his inauguration as President, as demonstrated by this excerpt from a 29 March 2001 news conference:

Look, it is in our nation's best interests to have long-term tax relief, and that has been my focus all along. I'm confident we can have it, get it done. I believe not only can we get long-term tax relief in place. Since our country is running some surpluses in spite of the dire predictions about cash flow, I believe we have an opportunity to fashion an immediate stimulus package, as well. The two ought to go hand in hand. Those who think that they can say, "We're only going to have a stimulus package, but let's forget tax relief," misunderestimate . . . or, excuse me, underestimate -- just making sure you were paying attention -- underestimate our administration's resolve to get this done . . .6

* "I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity."

We couldn't turn up a citation detailing when and where George W. Bush supposedly described himself as "a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity." Plenty of newspaper articles from November 2000 onwards attribute this phrase to him, but none that we could find documents its origins. The earliest print mention we located cited this item as appearing in Molly Ivins' book, Shrub, where we found it quoted at the head of a chapter (with the slightly different wording of "I was a bulldog on the pantleg of opportunity"), but nothing there identified the original source for the quote.

* "I know that the human being and the fish can coexist."

On Friday, 29 September 2000, Governor Bush was on the stump in Saginaw, Michigan, and deviated from his prepared speech to reassure the business community that he would not support the tearing down of energy-producing dams merely to protect threatened fish species, an issue he had recently covered while campaigning in the Pacific Northwest:

. . . on Friday, feeling the need to explain his statement during a speech on energy policy that he intended to maintain dams in the Pacific Northwest, he departed from his text and added, "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." He did not elaborate.7

Mark Crispin Miller noted in The Bush Dyslexicon that:

This remark is striking not because it's silly but because it casts a threatened creature as a national enemy. A relic of the Cold War, the phrase "peaceful coexistence" was a predétente Soviet coinage, meant to pitch conciliation between the world's two rival superpowers.

* "Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream."

Swinging through Wisconsin in mid-October 2000 en route to a debate with Democratic presidential challenger Al Gore, Governor Bush was discussing the importance of tax cuts to American families when he transposed a couple of words in a well-worn phrase:

The Texas governor and GOP presidential nominee tangles up words often enough that he sometimes jokes about it, and the phenomenon has acquired a name -- Bushism. On the campaign trail Wednesday, he let one fly: "Families is where our nation finds hope," he said, "where wings take dream."8

* "Put food on your family!"

On 27 January 2000, speaking in Nashua just a few days before the New Hampshire primary, Governor Bush was trying to illustrate the economic plight of single working mothers and again transposed (and omitted) a few words in the familiar reference to putting food on the table for one's family:

At a breakfast meeting with the Nashua Chamber of Commerce, Bush illustrated his brand of compassionate conservatism by urging his listeners to put themselves in the role of a single mother "working hard to put food on your family."4

Since these words are difficult to quote in the context in which they were offered, they were soon being rendered as the pithier "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."

* "Knock down the tollbooth!"

Governor Bush's misuse of 'tollbooth' for 'roadblock,' in reference to eliminating tax obstacles that prevent the working poor from joining the middle class, comes from his New Hampshire campaign appearances in January 2000, but contemporary reports don't seem to agree on the exact words he used -- perhaps there was more than one such incident:

Things must be good here, because the mere mention of tax cuts is not enough to get the crowd cheering. What they like is when Bush worries about the working poor; they applaud vigorously when he complains that a single mother making $22,000 is being penalized by the tax system. "It's not fair!" Bush exclaims. "It's a tollbooth on the road to the middle class, and I intend not only to reduce the fees but to knock the tollbooth down."9


"The hardest job in America is to be a single mom, making $20,000 a year," Bush declared at a recent Rotary Club lunch where he promised that as president, he would reduce the struggling woman's marginal income-tax rate and "knock down her tollbooth to the middle class."10


Last weekend, fire marshals were actually turning people away from political rallies. At a high school near Nashua, you could see folks forlornly peeking in the windows, yearning to be let inside to hear George W. Bush call for "a law that provides liability to teachers who enforce discipline in the schools." All the candidates are tired, but Mr. Bush's speeches are getting particularly unintelligible -- at the same high school, he announced, "I think we need not only to eliminate the tollbooth to the middle class, I think we should knock down the tollbooth." 11

* "Vulcanize society! "

At the very beginning of the 2000 presidential campaign, Ken Herman reported in a front-page story appearing in the 23 March 1999 edition of the Austin American-Statesman that Governor Bush had expressed his disdain for racial quotas as programs that "vulcanize" society:

Sometimes this smooth operator is anything but. This was evident in a March 23 piece by Ken Herman, the Austin American-Statesman's chief Bush watcher, who wrote about the governor's "2-step around hot topics." Mr. Bush says he's against "hard quotas, quotas that basically delineate based on whatever. However, they delineate, quotas, I think, vulcanize society."12

In this instance Governor Bush of course meant to say 'Balkanize' (to divide a group into small, often hostile units) rather than 'vulcanize' (to improve the strength of rubber by combining it with sulfur in the presence of heat and pressure). However, the issue was muddied a few days later when the American-Statesman reversed itself and issued a correction:

A front-page story Tuesday inaccurately quoted Gov. George W. Bush's position on quotas in college admissions and the awarding of state contracts. The story said Bush believes quotas "vulcanize society." Bush actually said he believes quotas "Balkanize society."13

Whether the reporter misquoted Governor Bush or whether Governor Bush really did say 'vulcanize' and the American-Statesman later printed an amended quote at the behest of his office is something we can't determine.

* "Make the pie higher!"

This final item (a misstatement of the concept of putting more money into the hands of Americans by reducing taxes to grow the economy and enlarge the economic "pie" that everyone shares -- i.e., making the pie "bigger" rather than "higher") is the phrase perhaps most often cited as an example of "Bushisms," so much so that it was used for the title of the poem quoted at the head of this page. And it is a real quote, something Bush said during the course of a 15 February 2000 Republican debate (moderated by CNN host Larry King) in Columbia, South Carolina, between Texas Governor George W. Bush, Senator John McCain of Arizona, and former Reagan administration official Ambassador Alan Keyes:

The difference between our plans is, I know whose money it is we're dealing with. We're dealing with the government -- we're dealing with the people's money, not the government's money. And I want to give people their money back.

And if you're going to have a tax cut, everybody ought to have a tax cut. This kind of Washington, D.C., view about targeted tax cuts is tax cuts driven by polls and focus groups. If you pay taxes in America, you ought to get a tax cut.

Under my plan, if you're a family of four in South Carolina, making $50,000, you get 50-percent tax cut. I've reduced the lower rate from 15 percent to 10 percent, which does this -- and this is important. There are people on the outskirts of poverty, like single moms who are working the toughest job in America. If she has two kids, and making $22,000, for every additional dollar she earns, she pays a higher marginal rate on her taxes than someone making $200,000.

You bet I cut the taxes at the top. That encourages entrepreneurship. What we Republicans should stand for is growth in the economy. We ought to make the pie higher.

This one initially posed something of a mystery to us, because transcripts of the debate prepared by the Federal Document Clearing House and CNN attribute the block of text quoted above to Senator John McCain, not Governor Bush. However, the immediately preceding question had clearly been posed to Governor Bush, and newspaper accounts the following morning noted the "make the pie higher" comment as something uttered by Governor Bush:

Bush, shedding his sometimes goofy demeanor, was as animated and forceful as he has been in any debate, punching the air with his fist to underscore his words. He scored points among the party faithful in calling for an end to the Clinton era in Washington -- one of the money lines of the night.

On taxes and bringing prosperity to struggling working mothers, however, Bush mangled one metaphor: "We ought to make the pie higher."14

Moreover, at a Radio/TV correspondents' dinner in Washington, D.C., a few weeks later, Governor Bush made humorous use of the item with no indication that the words weren't his own:

Now most people would say in speaking of the economy, "We ought to make the pie bigger." I, however, am on record saying, "We ought to make the pie higher."

Zelutos
Jan 29, 2006, 01:17 AM
Anything by Bush isn't worth reading.

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 01:25 AM
I'll XD @ Bush (and murder lol!)

Solstis
Jan 29, 2006, 01:28 AM
That long enough? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Just to help get this topic locked, I quote Thom Yorke:



But then, you see, Bush agrees to give millions of dollars to Africa to fight Aids and he does it by telling them to abstain. Just don’t have sex! We fundamentalist Christians believe you shouldn't stick it in at all. You should wait. What the fuck? That sort of religious activity is more about assuming the moral high ground, and that's where I get off, really. If you think you have the right to impose your moral code, I think everybody should find that deeply offensive
http://www.licc.org.uk/culture/thom-yorke-interview


Then again, there's a bit of irony in there. Eh.

EphekZ
Jan 29, 2006, 01:29 AM
I did say it was long >_>

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 01:31 AM
Long ago, a wise FKLer said:
Like hell I'm reading all that.

Quartz
Jan 29, 2006, 01:34 AM
ditto

Zelutos
Jan 29, 2006, 01:35 AM
On 2006-01-28 22:31, Shadowpawn wrote:

Long ago, a wise FKLer said:
Like hell I'm reading all that.



Agreed.

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 01:40 AM
lol wut a clevar email I m going 2 sent it 2 all my m8s

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Jan 29, 2006, 02:39 AM
On 2006-01-28 22:40, astuarlen wrote:
lol wut a clevar email I m going 2 sent it 2 all my m8s


oooh j00 soo blokced nubus, and you out of da a-team, i getting yo badge and stomping it good rite now bro

Wyndham
Jan 29, 2006, 10:25 AM
politics must keep out of FKL.
Now Bush, his stuff makes less sense than me being quoted by Hayabusa saying "I am the walrus".

Scejntjynahl
Jan 29, 2006, 10:35 AM
Hindsight is divine.

But foresight, now there lies is the true power.

Too bad none of us have that.

The proverbial pointing does nothing to alleviate the circumstances plaguing the now.

And besides, Im sure there are a few bush lovers here http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Dhylec
Jan 29, 2006, 10:41 AM
^
;o

Wyndham
Jan 29, 2006, 10:48 AM
On 2006-01-29 07:35, Scejntjynahl wrote:
Hindsight is divine.

But foresight, now there lies is the true power.

Too bad none of us have that.

The proverbial pointing does nothing to alleviate the circumstances plaguing the now.

And besides, Im sure there are a few bush lovers here http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


I like him better than Kerry. He tried in some cases to be a better Bush than Bush.
THAT would be scary.

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 11:20 AM
*beats around the Bush*

Dhylec
Jan 29, 2006, 11:36 AM
astuarlen wrote:
*beats around the Bush*

;o

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 12:30 PM
On 2006-01-29 08:20, astuarlen wrote:
*beats around the Bush*



Kinky.

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 12:38 PM
On 2006-01-29 09:30, Shadowpawn wrote:

Inky.



Octopus!

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 12:41 PM
On 2006-01-29 09:38, astuarlen wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:30, Shadowpawn wrote:

Inky.



Giant Squid!



Celda!

Wyndham
Jan 29, 2006, 12:46 PM
On 2006-01-29 09:41, Shadowpawn wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:38, astuarlen wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:30, Shadowpawn wrote:

Inky.



Giant Squid!



Celda!


Kraken.

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 12:59 PM
On 2006-01-29 09:46, Oran1324 wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:41, Shadowpawn wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:38, astuarlen wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:30, Shadowpawn wrote:

Inky.



Giant Squid!



Celda!


Kraken.




Cracker.

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 01:04 PM
On 2006-01-29 09:59, astuarlen wrote:


Cracker.



Racal slur!

Wyndham
Jan 29, 2006, 01:14 PM
On 2006-01-29 10:04, Shadowpawn wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:59, astuarlen wrote:


Cracker.



Racal slur!



Squirrels and Dust balls!

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 01:20 PM
On 2006-01-29 10:14, Oran1324 wrote:


On 2006-01-29 10:04, Shadowpawn wrote:


On 2006-01-29 09:59, astuarlen wrote:


Cracker.



Racal slur!



Squirrels and Dust balls!




Dust bunnies!

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 01:29 PM
On 2006-01-29 10:20, Shadowpawn wrote:
Dust bunnies!


Dust devils.

Mixfortune
Jan 29, 2006, 06:54 PM
http://www.demstoremonthly.com/images/bush-liar.jpg
And here's my classy rebuttal lol!

Or maybe it was this one!
http://www.topplebush.com/humor/OZ-bush.jpg

lol I wish I could tell anymore!

KaFKa
Jan 29, 2006, 07:39 PM
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Jan 29, 2006, 07:44 PM
Its what the cool kids do, and they're just trying to be popular.

I mean everyone on TV makes fun of him in some way or another. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Politics brings out the best in everybody, yo. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

astuarlen
Jan 29, 2006, 08:09 PM
Oh man, KaFKa, I don't think you're gonna be invited over to play group anymore. No siree bob, not unless you bring along your I-Hate-Bush Talking Teddybear (tm).
;o

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Jan 29, 2006, 08:20 PM
There should be a Tickle-Me-Cheney doll in due time.

Demand is a powerful tool in that world of commerce!

Mixfortune
Jan 29, 2006, 08:51 PM
On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.



Hey man, cool down some man dude man.
We're all just having a bit of some good fun.

Or, I should say, politics doesn't really concern me as much as it probably should. I have nothing against him.

Dek
Jan 29, 2006, 09:03 PM
On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.


Forgive me if this sounds rude, but do you think you could do better?

EphekZ
Jan 29, 2006, 11:25 PM
On 2006-01-29 18:03, Arthas_Zero wrote:


On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.


Forgive me if this sounds rude, but do you think you could do better?



He wasn't critizing bush he was saying don't critisize him unless you know you can do better.

and this isnt about how he's doing bad in his jobn its about his horrid english

Uncle_bob
Jan 29, 2006, 11:26 PM
On 2006-01-29 18:03, Arthas_Zero wrote:


On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.


Forgive me if this sounds rude, but do you think you could do better?



What the fuck does it matter if he can do any better or not? No doubt he could do much better than the rest of you mindless jackasses could ever do.

It would be interesting to see how well any of you would do in his position. We'd probably be in an economic collapse while wallowing a pile of shit and nuclear waste.

And Kafka has another grand point. He may not be the smartest person, nor the best president. BUT, he has done a hell of a lot more good while in office than you pitiful fucks could ever hope to accomplish in your entire lives.

Blitzkommando
Jan 29, 2006, 11:26 PM
On 2006-01-29 18:03, Arthas_Zero wrote:


On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.


Forgive me if this sounds rude, but do you think you could do better?


Where did he say he could do better? He was making the point that the people who complain most about him winning the elections are the ones who wouldn't even make being president of the local lemonade stand.

Shadowpawn
Jan 29, 2006, 11:52 PM
On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.



Well damn, look who killed the mood. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

astuarlen
Jan 30, 2006, 12:08 AM
On 2006-01-29 20:26, Norvekh wrote:


On 2006-01-29 18:03, Arthas_Zero wrote:


On 2006-01-29 16:39, KaFKa wrote:
Do any of you brainless fucks think you could do any better than him in a position as critical as the President of the United States?

Until you can prove you can, shut the fuck up and stop criticizing someone that's achieved something you never will.

In all seriousness, unless you can do better, you have no room to critisize anyone about anything.


Forgive me if this sounds rude, but do you think you could do better?


Where did he say he could do better? He was making the point that the people who complain most about him winning the elections are the ones who wouldn't even make being president of the local lemonade stand.



I like lemonade, 'specially the pink kind.
That's what this thread needs: more lemonade.

Scejntjynahl
Jan 30, 2006, 02:08 AM
Ill take some lemonade please. Hold the bush though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Jan 30, 2006, 05:02 AM
Homemade or fountain drink style?

Peach lemonade is rare but tasty.

Mixfortune
Jan 30, 2006, 08:31 AM
Good job all.
LOL POLITICS.

And yeah Bob, KaFKa, etc., no flaming.


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