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Protoman2oo6
Feb 28, 2006, 05:30 PM
My fellow androids iv made this to descuss any thin we hope androids hav in future games

Protoman2oo6
Feb 28, 2006, 05:31 PM
i know im a noob to pso world but im an expert at pso ep 1&2

GrumblyStuff
Feb 28, 2006, 06:36 PM
WAHT

whiteninja
Feb 28, 2006, 07:10 PM
*inserts random BB-player "O RLY", "Y HALO THAR", etc. sort of talk here*

What in the world are you talking about?

[Edit] By the way... You can! (Edit posts, that is.)



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xxTrystanxx
Feb 28, 2006, 07:40 PM
Here's my gripe.

I've heard that in PSU androids will be able to use techs. That's just... wrong? Wouldn't that make androids rather broken?

GrumblyStuff
Feb 28, 2006, 08:31 PM
Androids are big and burly, right? Let them carry 20x items oppose to 10x for Humans and Newmans.

Also, trap materials.

Logicone
Feb 28, 2006, 08:33 PM
Something that always struck me, why not allow traps to be bought like techs? And I hate the idea of Casts using techs. It's like, against all that's PSO, man!

Hrith
Feb 28, 2006, 10:09 PM
What I find silly about androids is that they have MST.

0, sure, and it cannot increase in any possible way, but it's stupid.

They should have given them another stat instead, maybe related to traps =/

HAYABUSA-FMW-
Feb 28, 2006, 10:13 PM
I'd like them to have MST for those broken HP specials on Mags, for one.

They're MST based, and Androids can't use techs, while the characters who can don't need the Resta that the mags give anyway!

Hrith
Mar 1, 2006, 11:30 AM
Yeah, that too -_-;

Whether the mag Resta ability or the PB Leilla, they are both dependent to MST, but maybe that 'other stat' could replace MST in that department, too.

RadiantLegend
Mar 1, 2006, 01:51 PM
I cant wait to create a cast on PSU.

MST makes us look girly....

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MagicPink
Mar 1, 2006, 02:21 PM
On 2006-02-28 16:40, xxTrystanxx wrote:
Here's my gripe.

I've heard that in PSU androids will be able to use techs. That's just... wrong? Wouldn't that make androids rather broken?



But since their MST will be super low maybe they can only use the lowest level techs and at a terrible effect anyway.

PSOPRINCE
Mar 1, 2006, 03:21 PM
On 2006-03-01 11:21, MagicPink wrote:


On 2006-02-28 16:40, xxTrystanxx wrote:
Here's my gripe.

I've heard that in PSU androids will be able to use techs. That's just... wrong? Wouldn't that make androids rather broken?



But since their MST will be super low maybe they can only use the lowest level techs and at a terrible effect anyway.


somethings better than nothing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Charmander02
Mar 1, 2006, 04:00 PM
On 2006-03-01 11:21, MagicPink wrote:


On 2006-02-28 16:40, xxTrystanxx wrote:
Here's my gripe.

I've heard that in PSU androids will be able to use techs. That's just... wrong? Wouldn't that make androids rather broken?



But since their MST will be super low maybe they can only use the lowest level techs and at a terrible effect anyway.



Then why would be the point of having MST anyways?

MagicPink
Mar 1, 2006, 04:43 PM
On 2006-03-01 13:00, Charmander02 wrote:


On 2006-03-01 11:21, MagicPink wrote:


On 2006-02-28 16:40, xxTrystanxx wrote:
Here's my gripe.

I've heard that in PSU androids will be able to use techs. That's just... wrong? Wouldn't that make androids rather broken?



But since their MST will be super low maybe they can only use the lowest level techs and at a terrible effect anyway.



Then why would be the point of having MST anyways?



Would you rather they had none? It's still a usable asset even if it is really bad. I think it would be pretty fun to try to play a android caster.

xxTrystanxx
Mar 1, 2006, 05:33 PM
No. Frankly, I would rather they DIDN'T have MST. Last I checked, androids are not human. They are machines -- their thoughts must be programmed, whether it be by an outside source or by some self-updating processes, nonetheless, their thoughts and actions are programmed response. To use techs requires mental power that androids simply do not possess. So giving them that power in PSU is wrong because it upsets the balance. The humanoids have access to techs to make up for their slightly lesser HP and attack power.

But since techs are going to be equipped to the weapon in PSU (an idea I rather dislike :) it's moot. Theoretically, anyone could pick up that weapon and cast a tech -- even with 0 MST.




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Sgt_Shligger
Mar 1, 2006, 05:34 PM
i think they did it because androids "technically" can't survive as long as humans. I beat the De Rol Lei with a human but it took a long time but i couldn't die since i had resta and a large health bar.

The androids in PSU should at least have low level resta then they will have a longer life span (at least on bosses.) Casts just don't have as much heal options. They have high health but it don't help if the enemies/bosses are not dying.

A2K
Mar 1, 2006, 06:41 PM
On 2006-03-01 14:33, xxTrystanxx wrote:
No. Frankly, I would rather they DIDN'T have MST. Last I checked, androids are not human. They are machines -- their thoughts must be programmed, whether it be by an outside source or by some self-updating processes, nonetheless, their thoughts and actions are programmed response. To use techs requires mental power that androids simply do not possess. So giving them that power in PSU is wrong because it upsets the balance. The humanoids have access to techs to make up for their slightly lesser HP and attack power.

But since techs are going to be equipped to the weapon in PSU (an idea I rather dislike http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif it's moot. Theoretically, anyone could pick up that weapon and cast a tech -- even with 0 MST.


One could argue that self-aware machines possess mental prowess, just on a different... wavelength than that of organic beings. We'd be getting into a philosophy argument there.

In any case, there's precendent for this in the annals of Phantasy Star. Phantasy Star III featured androids that were capable of techniques (hell, one of them was the party healer, even).

It's important to note that androids in PSO and casts in PSU are intrinsically different, in the way that they're balanced from the other classes. They're gun specialists--while close combat prowess has been given to the Beasts.

Dreadlock
Mar 1, 2006, 07:07 PM
Who cares about mental strength. What about those satellite SUV special weapons, eh? Eh? It looks similar to the "weapons" in the Trigun series, if anybody here is familiar with that. "Say hello to my two little friends." Eh? EH?!

One also hopes that the cast class is highly customizable so that one may create a gnarly HUcast style Melee bruiser. Like that red guy with the shoulder spikes and bald-like head with the horn in the ads. I'd like to imagine a bladed instrument of destruction in the hands of that fella.

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Logicone
Mar 1, 2006, 10:05 PM
On 2006-03-01 14:34, SgtShligger wrote:
i think they did it because androids "technically" can't survive as long as humans. I beat the De Rol Lei with a human but it took a long time but i couldn't die since i had resta and a large health bar.

The androids in PSU should at least have low level resta then they will have a longer life span (at least on bosses.) Casts just don't have as much heal options. They have high health but it don't help if the enemies/bosses are not dying.




Why not give Casts the ability to buy traps then? And instead of the normal few they normally have, why not throw in a heal trap or two?

Sgt_Shligger
Mar 1, 2006, 10:36 PM
yeah and then they could add the "F*** 'm up" trap! It would be an explosion with the power of a level 30 Megid and the range (and explosiveness) of a level 30 Rafoie!!!!!!!!!!!!

OdinTyler
Mar 1, 2006, 11:20 PM
Dammit, you guys! I was gonna say that! Well, yes, androids have had the ability to use techs in prior PS games & I did speculate a long while ago about the SUV. Its my belief that their MST will have to do with the SUV capability. Higher MST may enhance this ability or provide some level of diversity. Thats the highest probability. Me personally, Id like to see androids also have techs no other races have (a throwback to the old games), so another reason to have an android.
Androids may be mechanical but theyre considered sentient beings since they are self-aware, have intelligence, & as shown in the story of PSU, have taken upon themselves the ability to govern themselves. Its very much possible to believe that androids possess MST. But then, I believe Isaac Asimov was way ahead of his time. Much of what we love about sci-fi (including androids) can be attributed to him. If no one knows of his work, I suggest reading up on some. My favorite sci-fi author. Ray Bradbury would be 2nd & hes pretty good too (tho he has more of a diversity of topics in his writings).

DamonKatu
Mar 2, 2006, 12:06 AM
*kane's thyme plays in DK's Head as a mysterious Red and Black android apears in the room. He resembles his old rival but he seems very different. He had a face cast that any android would want, huge android feet, and almost human eyes*

Woa, the android race really evolved in the game...

OdinTyler
Mar 2, 2006, 09:35 AM
On 2006-03-01 21:06, DamonKatu wrote:
*kane's thyme plays in DK's Head as a mysterious Red and Black android apears in the room. He resembles his old rival but he seems very different. He had a face cast that any android would want, huge android feet, and almost human eyes*

Woa, the android race really evolved in the game...


Am I supposed to understand this post? Sounds more like a fan fic than anything. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

DizzyDi
Mar 2, 2006, 04:02 PM
All the races need PP because weapon specialties take up PP. So Casts having the lowest amount of MST means they won't be doing too many special moves with thier weapons without stacking up on fluids.

Pseudo
Mar 2, 2006, 05:15 PM
Although noted, Casts have PP and MST now doesnt mean people have to put a lot of points into raising those stats.
Personally im going to wait for those Who will play on the JP import to explain Whether its worth doing that.

Putting MST aside, what are people going to raise? Im choosing the ranger path since I once raised a Hucast(ZZ4Z) on the Original PSO and only used guns (mostly the Red handgun)I feel safer killing things with a gun and not getting so close ^_^*coward
Im hoping that there will an option to weild two types of guns at once, such as a sniper rifle and a pistol etc.

Oh and looking at the screen shots ive seen casts have the option of having capes (of a kind) which I first mistook for mags, hopefully casts will have a wide variety of costumes and gear as well.

OdinTyler
Mar 2, 2006, 05:23 PM
On 2006-03-02 14:15, Pseudo wrote:
Personally im going to wait for those Who will play on the JP import to explain Whether its worth doing that.

Im hoping that there will an option to weild two types of guns at once, such as a sniper rifle and a pistol etc.

Oh and looking at the screen shots ive seen casts have the option of having capes (of a kind) which I first mistook for mags, hopefully casts will have a wide variety of costumes and gear as well.



1. Its smart to wait out & see how the Japanese do. That way you wont make as many mistakes.

2. As been posted before (including by myself), you wont be able to wield 2 weapons if 1 of them is a 2 handed weapon. You want to use a rifle & thats a 2 handed wep. Sorry. You wont be able to do combinations like that. The basic rule applies to just about every RPG, if you can hold it in 1 hand & use it, you can dual wield it. Handguns, mechguns, etc. those types you can dual wield. I dont see why not.

3. The cape that you mistook for a mag, I take it youre referring to Renvolt Magashi? Hes just 1 in particular & naturally, he would be a possible model to choose from when creating a cast. I myself thought it was a mag too, but, its not. I really dont know what that is, but, Im sure we'll find out. Not to worry tho. Casts, like the other races, should have plenty of choices to play with while customizing.

Alizar
Mar 2, 2006, 10:44 PM
In PSIII Generations of Doom, when androids were first introduced androids could use techniques. Wren and Mieu used them....... but wren couldn't use in the next game PSIV The End of the Millenium and thats when it changed... yeah so i don't see any problem letting casts use techs.

Korashimo
Mar 2, 2006, 11:27 PM
Well hey, isn't it possible that the andriods technology has advanced since PSO? PSO could have taken place from anywhere from 1 to 1000 years ago for all we know. Just think about that and also with the techs, i think MST is just going to determine how much damage it does. Only logical explaination for making techs use pp http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

DamonKatu
Mar 3, 2006, 12:45 AM
That reminds me of that FOcast artwork I saw one time. It was real cool but I bet it couldnt set traps sence the trap gage takes lots of space in its body.

And about my last post, I like to make it that way to make things silly...but they have really changed though...

I dont really like androids sence of one guy I really dont like. Checkoff was jellous of my relationship with trinity and he lost his chance sence he cheated on her. Thats what you get for tring to be a playa.

Pseudo
Mar 3, 2006, 06:43 AM
Anybody else confused by what he said, or is it just me? o.O'

OdinTyler
Mar 3, 2006, 09:34 AM
Nope, youre not the only one. I think he goes into some sort of role-play mode during posting, forgetting that we may not view it as PSU related. LOL

Alizar
Mar 3, 2006, 11:59 PM
what ever.... i still think they just heading for the cyborg-ish ways they had when they first introduced droids in PSIII.

_Tek_
Mar 4, 2006, 02:41 AM
I decided not to post here because it didn't make any sense from the start.
Half the posts really.

zandra117
Mar 4, 2006, 03:35 AM
If in PSO sinow golds could use resta and VolOpt could use zonde, barta, and foie why shouldn't Casts be able to use them in PSU.

Tystys
Mar 4, 2006, 04:03 AM
On 2006-02-28 14:30, Protoman2oo6 wrote:
My fellow androids iv made this to descuss any thin we hope androids hav in future games




Racist!

OdinTyler
Mar 4, 2006, 09:28 AM
On 2006-03-04 00:35, zandra117 wrote:
If in PSO sinow golds could use resta and VolOpt could use zonde, barta, and foie why shouldn't Casts be able to use them in PSU.



Well, keep in mind that they were being controlled by a malicious being. DarkFalz directly infected VolOpt (& the other 2 main AI) & therefore, spread like a virus to all the other machines. Some would therefore be capable of abilities not present before. Still, I stand firm with the belief that machines, like humans, are thinking beings. Having intelligence (including MST) provides the capacity to draw either from themselves or their environment & use techs. It was severely overlooked in PSO as cast players shouldve been able to use them before.

DizzyDi
Mar 4, 2006, 10:27 AM
Well Androids didn't really need them in PSO, like they do in PSU. In PSU they could still do all that fancy stuff with weapon's special techniques and all that without using up TP but you can't do that in PSU. In PSU to do special techniques with weapons it takes up PP and without MST you don't have any PP.

_Tek_
Mar 4, 2006, 04:37 PM
Well since techs are from people being able to control those certain photons, surely droids can synthesize such control, on a lower level.