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ABDUR101

10-06-2002, 06:00 PM

On 2002-10-06 15:53, Jonathan_F wrote:
lock it up

No, it's ok. We'll leave this thread open so anyone else needing a public display of the P2P prices can come here and voice their opinion instead of trying to find it in the other thread. =)

ginko990

10-06-2002, 09:31 PM

On 2002-10-06 15:28, Pso_Juggalo wrote:
its going to be $8.95 a month for GC

Holy shmit....thats quite a chip in my wallet..

I only paid around 10.50 for 3 months on v2. Isnt 9 bux a little steep?

Kalbelgarion

10-06-2002, 09:42 PM

I suppose Sega's reasoning is that it's twice the game that V2 was, so they can charge twice as much...even though the price for them to maintain the servers would be about the same...

Currently, there are no plans to have any charges, whatsoever, outside of the $50 XBOX Live starter kit, for the XBOX version.

Agent_Reav

10-07-2002, 12:10 AM

Sega's "reasoning" is that US players will pay to play their games and hence they can milk us for all we have... Too bad they are wrong >_<; If they try the same BS on PSO XBOX i'll swear off PSO for good.

AnimalMother

10-07-2002, 05:20 AM

Dosen't bother me, I have a job that dosen't involve saying "Would you like fries with that?" but still that is a pretty penny they be charging us for a game like this. It had best be supported well, and as free of cheating dipshits and folks named Sephiroth as possible. With the $9 or so I spend on other online games, they screw over the class I have chosen to play at least once a month, they make classes that only assholes play 10x better, and sometimes they even add buggy ass content that seems like it was coded on a etch-a-sketch while drunk.

Kenks23

10-07-2002, 12:07 PM

I think the import version costs ~$12 / month since we're on the topic of Pay to Play for the GC. I put that up even though I know the thread is for the US Pay to Play. Just some more information in case people were wondering.

RellikTakahashi

10-07-2002, 02:01 PM

Like v2 does it require you HAVE to use a credit card?

Ness

10-07-2002, 02:25 PM

On 2002-10-06 19:42, Kalbelgarion wrote:
I suppose Sega's reasoning is that it's twice the game that V2 was, so they can charge twice as much...even though the price for them to maintain the servers would be about the same...

Someone needs to march up to Sega and bitch slap them. I think that I may be 8.95 for the japanese players, but maybe it will be cheaper for us. Even though it's unlikely, we can always hope.

Currently, there are no plans to have any charges, whatsoever, outside of the $50 XBOX Live starter kit, for the XBOX version.

*cough* BS *cough*

Sega clearly stated that they will hgave a charge on Xbox PSO. They didn't state a pirce but there will be one.

ginko990

10-07-2002, 03:07 PM

On 2002-10-07 03:20, AnimalMother wrote:
It had best be supported well, and as free of cheating dipshits and folks named Sephiroth as possible.

Lol Sephiroth, Goku, and Gandalf(my friend was first Gandalf).

And fuck yea it better be supported right for 9 bucks a month. I wanna see some godamn christmas trees for christmas.

Sedyne

10-07-2002, 03:55 PM

On 2002-10-07 12:25, Ness wrote:

On 2002-10-06 19:42, Kalbelgarion wrote:
I suppose Sega's reasoning is that it's twice the game that V2 was, so they can charge twice as much...even though the price for them to maintain the servers would be about the same...

Someone needs to march up to Sega and bitch slap them. I think that I may be 8.95 for the japanese players, but maybe it will be cheaper for us. Even though it's unlikely, we can always hope.

Currently, there are no plans to have any charges, whatsoever, outside of the $50 XBOX Live starter kit, for the XBOX version.

*cough* BS *cough*

Sega clearly stated that they will hgave a charge on Xbox PSO. They didn't state a pirce but there will be one.

BITCH SLAP SEGA IS RIGHT THOSE DIRTY GREEADY DUMBASS MORONS. If im' not mistaken (which i probably am) i remmeber reading the DREAMCAST WAS THE MOST PROFITABLE SYSTEM. Yet sega was still losing money? wtf?! DUMBASSES

labratpat

10-07-2002, 08:46 PM

Holy Crap!!! $10.00? Talk about nickle and diming the PSO populace to death. Whatever. They see an opportunity to make money, and they'll take it. To be completely honest, who would? I know I would... I am really thankful multiplayer was added. Besides, the only people who can stand me live close enough to just come over and rock out in m-player on one screen. Well, except one...

Kalbelgarion

10-07-2002, 09:17 PM

On 2002-10-07 12:25, Ness wrote:

*cough* BS *cough*

Sega clearly stated that they will hgave a charge on Xbox PSO. They didn't state a pirce but there will be one.

I'm afraid not. Sega has never stated in any way that the US version of XBOX's PSO EpI and II will have an additional fee. Currently, Microsoft has no plans to institute an additional fee, according to Microsoft reps at xbox.com. Sonic Team *is*, however, charging a small 600Yen fee in Japan, most likely to compensate for the loss of software sales due to the game being given away for free with the XBOX Live Starter Kits. There currently is no such plan to have any sort of additional fee in the US, however.

shinokou

10-07-2002, 11:25 PM

I am a HUGE PSO fan, and I am still ticked off by this. I simply cannot forgive Sega for THIS one. I'll pay it - at first, but I won't be online for long! I payed about a buck 50 more for 3 months on Ver. 2! I and for 2 bucks mroe, I could be on an MMORPG - not that I'm really into those sorts of games, but hell, those take a lot more server bandwith than PSO ever could.

This is just WRONG. I'm not sure if I'll be able to play this game once other online games arrive for much longer, and it's a damn shame - PSO ver. 2 was my favorite, and most played, game of all time. How am I going to convince my girlfriend to pay for THIS? Christ...

Ness

10-08-2002, 10:36 AM

On 2002-10-07 19:17, Kalbelgarion wrote:

On 2002-10-07 12:25, Ness wrote:

*cough* BS *cough*

Sega clearly stated that they will hgave a charge on Xbox PSO. They didn't state a pirce but there will be one.

I'm afraid not. Sega has never stated in any way that the US version of XBOX's PSO EpI and II will have an additional fee. Currently, Microsoft has no plans to institute an additional fee, according to Microsoft reps at xbox.com. Sonic Team *is*, however, charging a small 600Yen fee in Japan, most likely to compensate for the loss of software sales due to the game being given away for free with the XBOX Live Starter Kits. There currently is no such plan to have any sort of additional fee in the US, however.

You maybe right this time Kalbegarion, I guess is was the Japanese fee I read about. But don't be surprised if they do charge you for it. St's new money hungry attitude will probably prevent them from giving it to us for free.

Blenjar

10-08-2002, 03:33 PM

On 2002-10-06 19:42, Kalbelgarion wrote:
I suppose Sega's reasoning is that it's twice the game that V2 was, so they can charge twice as much...even though the price for them to maintain the servers would be about the same...

Currently, there are no plans to have any charges, whatsoever, outside of the $50 XBOX Live starter kit, for the XBOX version.

The XBox version'll be $5.00 a month...that all I know.

ginko990

10-08-2002, 03:55 PM

Its $10.00 a month for X-Box live.

RellikTakahashi

10-08-2002, 06:49 PM

Why do we have to pay!!?!? V1 was free and it was like the best game online! Its not like its gonna be Cheat proof. there will ALWAYS be hackers. Pointless I tell you. ~ genkinbarai taishite kono iu kirabiyaka ~

Kalbelgarion

10-08-2002, 07:00 PM

Sa'right, Ness. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

And, I repeat, Microsoft has NO plans, whatsoever, to charge an additional fee for PSO on top of the $50 Live Starter kit in the US. If anyone can provide me with any proof to the contrary, then I'll change my tune.

After the first year of XBOX Live, however, Microsoft may change their pricing format from $50/year to $X/month, but there has been no official word on that.

Agent_Reav

10-08-2002, 07:25 PM

The XB Live Starter Kit covers ONE FULL YEAR OF GAMING ACCESS! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

theNightwisp

10-09-2002, 12:25 PM

um, is it just me or does everyone have their own conflicting opinions here??? unless you guys can back your stuff up, please don't post. you're confusing the rest of us who want answers.

omega3059

10-09-2002, 02:12 PM

yes, it is pay-2-play

US fee: 9 bucks a month

JP fee: around 5 bucks

EU fee: ?? possible free...

Zenigma

10-09-2002, 02:41 PM

supposedly xbox live is 49.99 for the first year, then 9.95 a month thereafter

ginko990

10-09-2002, 02:49 PM

On 2002-10-08 17:00, Kalbelgarion wrote:

After the first year of XBOX Live, however, Microsoft may change their pricing format from $50/year to $X/month, but there has been no official word on that.

That X is $10.00, it was in my friend's official Xbox magazine.

st4pl3s

10-09-2002, 05:57 PM

Im lost... Theres a hunter licence for like 15$ for 3 months, then theres the 8.95 a month. Umm, do you have to pay for both or just 1?

rbf2000

10-09-2002, 06:00 PM

$15 is the maximum price for PSO V2 (although, it's usually around $12). JP PSO ep 1&2 is $12 for a three month block. US PSO ep 1&2 is $8.95 per month.

RellikTakahashi

10-10-2002, 09:31 PM

I heard GC's verison there was free. I spoke with a couple and they told me it was free.

War_Child

10-10-2002, 10:13 PM

v1 was free for us because the Japanese paid for it http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I know it costs money orun servers and stuff and thats why prices are charged, but 10 bucks us a month? That's nearly 20 here, after cc and conversion charges -_-;; used to pay that much for 3 months of PSO.

And the jp get THREE months for nearly the same price? Fucking biased dipships, I swear to god..
I'm not sure if I even want to go online anymore -_-;;

rbf2000

10-10-2002, 10:23 PM

On 2002-10-10 19:31, RellikTakahashi wrote:
I heard GC's verison there was free. I spoke with a couple and they told me it was free.

The JP version gets a month free. But that's the only free part.

WC: They need somebody to pay for the fixed version of JP PSO they will release... :/

RellikTakahashi

10-11-2002, 02:03 PM

all pso's should be free. Thats just plain old lame. I already Pay for an ISP why would i want to PAY to play your game when I already bought it?!

Ness

10-11-2002, 02:55 PM

On 2002-10-09 16:00, rbf2000 wrote:
$15 is the maximum price for PSO V2 (although, it's usually around $12). JP PSO ep 1&2 is $12 for a three month block. US PSO ep 1&2 is $8.95 per month.

Why the hell do WE have to pay more. I'm going to buy a GC PSO, fly to Japan, and shove my copy right up YUji Naka's ass!

saffaya

10-11-2002, 02:55 PM

On 2002-10-11 12:03, RellikTakahashi wrote:
all pso's should be free. Thats just plain old lame. I already Pay for an ISP why would i want to PAY to play your game when I already bought it?!

What a wonderful idea. Go tell all MMORPG makers.
They should buy, mount, design, maintain, patch, add content to, servers and buy bandwith for free to the players no matter how long they'll play on these.
Nice economic sense you have.

oh and I forgot to say that PSO can be played offline.
99% of other MMORPG, you have to pay online fee to even see the game run.

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RellikTakahashi

10-12-2002, 07:19 PM

Offline is boring. Its better to meet new people. Tsk. Still should be free.....

StormShadow11

10-13-2002, 03:55 PM

Wow, even when i get enough money to buy a gc and pso and a modem and a kb, ill be too damn poor to play online, this is mass gay...looks like i need a job...

Ian D

10-13-2002, 04:37 PM

Wow, this sucks... I'll probably only play online for like 1 month then. Sheesh, fricken lame.

Kent

10-13-2002, 04:52 PM

According to the news on the front page of PSOW:

"According to GamerWeb, a reputable Microsoft Rep has reported that "PSO will be out in the US sometime in November 2002, although no exact date is known at this time. If that doesn't get you excited wait to you hear this...there would NOT be any additional fees (other than your LIVE subscription) to play any online game in North America, including PSO....(This of course does not include charges for any premium content that would be in addition to standard gameplay.)"

So apparently, there is no Hunter's Liscense or any of that crap, you just have to pay for Xbox Live, but that covers all online Xbox games. The Xbox Live starter kit (which includes the installation disk, a copy of ReVolt, and the headset) gives you one year's subscription to Xbox Live at no additional cost.

This means you're paying $50 for a year of PSO, Revolt, some football games, MechAssault, etc., and I think $10/month after that. So, if you think about it, you'll be getting a better deal by buying the Xbox version of PSO and Xbox Live because you'd be getting to play other games online as well with no extra fee.

Of course, that's only if you already own an Xbox...

Ness

10-13-2002, 04:58 PM

Maybe I should buy and Xbox and PSO Xbox.

HiroTristar

10-13-2002, 05:49 PM

Alright, here's what I definately know about X-Box Live, just to sum it up:

X-Box Live Starter kit will cost 50 dollars. The kit includes a voice communicator headset, one game, broadband adapter, and a full year's subscription to X-Box Live. All games online with X-Box will be accessed through X-Box Live, which means you pay no additional fees outside of X-Box Live. After your first year, X-Box Live is only $9.95 a month.

Here's what I'm NOT completely sure of:

Developers may charge for extra add-ons (such as extra builds to the game, which includes additional missions and such). The estimated price for these types of add-ons would be around $1.50 each. Let's say you have PSO, SEGA may be able to develop something massive like PSO Episode III or something like that, and be able to charge for it through X-Box Live (this is possible due to the X-Box's HDD). Racing games may get new cars, tracks, etc, as well. Things like that. Again, I am not positive that this information is in fact true, but I've received this info from numerous X-Box enthusiasts.

Spy

10-13-2002, 06:03 PM

On 2002-10-13 15:49, HiroTristar wrote:
Here's what I'm NOT completely sure of:

Developers may charge for extra add-ons (such as extra builds to the game, which includes additional missions and such). The estimated price for these types of add-ons would be around $1.50 each. Let's say you have PSO, SEGA may be able to develop something massive like PSO Episode III or something like that, and be able to charge for it through X-Box Live (this is possible due to the X-Box's HDD). Racing games may get new cars, tracks, etc, as well. Things like that. Again, I am not positive that this information is in fact true, but I've received this info from numerous X-Box enthusiasts.

Speculation sucks.

Kalbelgarion

10-13-2002, 06:36 PM

It is pretty much true. I've been beta testing Re-Volt on XBOX Live, and I got to try out the Premium Content Purchasing (although I wasn't really charged). It's part of Microsoft's plan that there is one standard fee for ALL the XBOX Live games, but extra content (Cars in Re-volt's case, quests, areas, or characters in PSO's case) *MAY* cost extra, and that decision is both Sonic Team's and Microsoft's to make.

So it is possible that a quest like "Retired Hunter" may be free, a quest like "Central Dome Fire" may cost $.50, and a massive quest like "Soul of Steel" may cost $1.00. This would be the price that Sonic Team would charge for their new material. This is in place of the $8.95/month fee that the GCN players pay. It's also possible (But who knows how likely) that Sonic Team would create a "PSO Episode III" in the future, and charge XBOXers a price like $29.99 for it.

The Premium Content option is part of Microsoft's plans, but it's up to the developers to decide what to charge for 'em. And it's up to the players to decide if they want to purchase the additions or not.

haterade

10-13-2002, 06:48 PM

On 2002-10-13 16:03, Spy wrote:

Speculation sucks.

Damn right. Excuse me while I sing a line of a song...

"High hopes, high hopes, some people have high hopes..."

Seven Dwarves...*ahem*

MajeenYouso

10-13-2002, 11:52 PM

Okay, I'm a bit confused:

Importers are paying $12 per 3 month period or per month?

And how do importers register? I mean, do ya have to have a Japanese credit card? e.x;; I'll... Ask in one of the other topics, too.

st4pl3s

10-14-2002, 12:06 AM

The reason why XBOX PSO is free, well besides the XOBOX live fee, is becasue the XBOX live fee pays for there servers and they dont use sega/nintendo's servers, they use there own servers. But youll mostly have a bunch a newbs with some experts sprinkled in on those servers. So, theres nothing we can do about this shit!

Online fees suck ass! I think your ISP should have their own severs and you play on them so you only pay for your internet connection. makes sense doesnt it...

RellikTakahashi

10-14-2002, 02:22 PM

Yeah but remember st4pl3s if the isp's owned their own servers then less people too meet because not everyone uses the same ISP.
Yeah I agree with No Paying for online games. they should be free. >_< greedy sega, all their fault cause their systems failed. Not our problem you couldn't make it work! So don't take it out on us with you pay2play bs!!! BAHHHHHH lol

ABDUR101

10-14-2002, 03:57 PM

It costs money to run and maintain a server. You are playing on their server that they are paying to maintain.

X-box LIVE is a closed server owned by Microsoft, thus we only pay for LIVE servers, thus it's going to be cheaper for LIVE owners who want alot of online games than for a GC owner who wants alot of online games.

$50 for the first year of LIVE, $9 a month after that for pretty much all online games for X-box.

If GC PSO is $9+ a month, are you going to pay the same price for other games which get released? I think it would add up =

Either way, you're on their servers, whether they have high expenses or just want to make money is anybody's guess, but thats just how it goes sadly.

But to say it should be free is just as un-fair, because then they'd be losing money while giving a service, yeah?

RellikTakahashi

10-14-2002, 08:59 PM

You always got to show their side don't you? =P

st4pl3s

10-14-2002, 11:49 PM

RellikTakahashi, your right alot less people would meet, but maybe all the isp's could join up and make a MEGA SERVER, lol j/k.

RellikTakahashi

10-16-2002, 06:18 PM

I'd like to see and have that too st4pl3s

RellikTakahashi

10-17-2002, 01:26 PM

One of these days. Pso will die even before its been out for a week. Wanna know why? Well, because why would anyone play a game that you would have to pay to play online, when you already had to buy the modem, keyboard and game. People are going to play games that they can get online for free rather than pay 2 play 1 game.

jello44

10-18-2002, 11:55 AM

X-Box PSO isn't coming out until next year, in the US at least. From what I have heard, from other sites etc. And I really don't care about the 9 bucks a month I mean hell, remember when v2 was suppoesdly $15 bucks for 3 months when it was really 1200 yen/3 months. Hopefully its the same way for GC pso. imagine like 4-5 bucks a month.

RellikTakahashi

10-20-2002, 05:46 PM

Yeah, but still. I'd Prefer it to be free. Other games are so why should this one cost?

Axispoint

10-20-2002, 11:27 PM

Personally, I'm thinking of getting a GC and PSO down the road, but I am not getting a HL (I don't have a CC anyway). I'm not one to pay to play a game online...got a lot of stuff to do and I'd just waste my money most of the time. Which the cool thing about PSO is you can play it off-line, so no big deal. If Sega wants to charge that much, fine. You don't like it, don't pay it.

And there are games out there that do have free servers...any Blizzard game (Diablo, Starcraft, etc) can be played for free online at Battle.net. On the flip-side, though, Bnet tends to be down a lot...or at least it used to last time I played. In the case of Bnet, you get what you "pay" for...a sometimes lousy server, but hey, it's free.

Of course, if you do pay to play a game online, updated content like new quests would be nice...hopefully this time Sega will actually realize they need to do that instead of jipping the US and giving us what...one total quest? If there were any in Ver 2, sorry...never played it.

Ok...I've rambled on long enough, lol. I'll be quiet now http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

RellikTakahashi

10-21-2002, 05:29 AM

Good Point. Here's my next question. WHY make things only accessible online when some people can't get online because it requires a credit card? Thats dumb as ___. They should, since not many, people can't get online with a credit card, make the stuff accessible offline.

VariantXL

10-21-2002, 08:55 AM

They arent spending as much money on those servers as they'd like you to think. PSO is not a MMORPG period. No real MMORPG can be played offline because of the fear of bringing illegal elements into the game that can damage the servers. Its no different than playing a game of nfl2k3 online. The only difference that exists is the fancy lobbies instead of the boring text only one. people were already overpaying for pso from the beginning of v2.... honestly you shouldnt be paying more than 3 bucks a month compared to real MMORPG's. It dosent take 9 dollars a month to upload d/l quests to their server. These are the same quests that you played in v1 and v2 only now they are charging for them? You should only pay for the quests that arent in either of the previous games. If they are going to charge that much for quests theyd better have some append discs for 10-15 bucks with totally new content.