Wich PSO will be the most cheat free, PSO for Gc or Xbox

[Spektrum]

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[ancalagon]

IMHO i think the xbox pso will be hacked first, or should i say a sooner from its release than gamecube pso. i believe that duping is wrong, but it is not a hack, just an exploit, the same as on everquest where you could attack an enemy where it couldnt fight back, or the pipe trick (gotta love the pipe trick lol). the gamecube will be harder to hack because of the process in making the miniDVDs. also, i would think that any product made by microsoft isnt the best quality, and people are already hacking other xbox games.

[Wesker2k10]

i think ur right

[Devil_Chao]

Xbox is going to die!

I've played Xbox and it sucks. Theere are only a few good games for it. Like Halo. I must admit Halo rocks. But, Just like the dreamcast microsoft is losing money with the Xbox. Soon it will be gone! So why would Xbox be more cheat free than gamecube? I've tried my own ways of cheating, none of them ever worked! So GC Online will knock Xbox out of line!

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[GimpyBoy]

The AR will be out for the GC before the Xbox version will even be out. GC will go down first, then the box. And they both will get hacked, because PSO is a very hacker friendly game. Just get over it and find friends that you know don't hack it up. =P

[MongolHunter]

Xbox is most likely to be cheat free (and better for PSO), because...

All mod chip users are banned from live (xbox online service)

Although your characters can have different names each xbox live account has a gamertag that you cannot change without paying for a new account, cheaters are no longer so very hard to find,

The friends list is for their gamertag, this means that no matter what character your using you can see your friends, want to play some ghost recon or moto gp instead of PSO, just start a game up and invite other people from other games who only have to swap cds.

Voice communicator, good for the 4 players in a game, but the lobby? Definitely one for keyboard support, which is very likely to come out as MS probably feel by now that they have succesfully distanced the xbox's image as an under spec'd pc.

The infrastructure and backing for online gaming is much higher than other consoles, in fact nintendo and sony dont really have an "structure" of online gaming so far.

Every console sold is online compatible, all you have to do is pay for the 12 months subscription none of this buying a HDD and modem etc.

Hard drive for new chars, missions, levels and probably things for offline play and items.

Two players or more is already used in a lot of xbox online games, so take your char over to your mates and have a game of pso with your friend as a guest, or s/he can sign on with his gamertag.

And last one, Action Replay, gameshark, whatever is not ever coming out for the xbox. EVER!

try http://www.xbox.com/live for it all, i own an xbox and the live service is actually amazing, i can't wait for pso on my box, it was so good on my DC but i can't be arsed paying for it becuase my DC keeps turning itself off http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif. All these are facts but i've reasoned why they would be good for PSO, alrite??!

[DjDragoon]

I'm sure that the Xbox will be the most cheat free. When the first PSO Ep 1 & 2 came out for GC there were problems with that version with item cheats and stuff. Just wait and see what will happen,

[KaevarkAran]

well i know nothing about hacking or technology, but my technologically superior friend says that Xbox is easier to hack and some other words that i'm un familiar with.

[TheMaskedPikachu]

X-Box will be hacked first because of one thing that the GC doesn't have, a hard drive. Anyone that knows what they are doing can just take it out! Plus, remember when MicroSoft was bragging about how you can download MP3s and play them. Well would it make sence that someone would download a 10-star ______(insert item here), Mag cell, ect.

GC will be harder to hack because it does'nt have a Web browser like the DreamCast did. You can't move your saved memory anywhere outside your own card (like Animal Crossing). DC had the same thing, but it was easy to avoid.

If you can't tell, I hate X-Box. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MongolHunter]

TheMasked... What are you on about? You can't download mp3's. You can rip music off CD's but that puts them into WMA's. There is no web browser, it would be impossible to download files over the internet onto your xbox harddrive through the official xbox live service.

If however your xbox is chipped you would be able to install some software etc. But the second that the chip is detected on xbox live your banned, so basically they can't have their chip turned on whilst on xbox live.

There will be no other way of playing online. How could the xbox be any less cheat free?

[Sol-Invictus]

On 2003-01-05 08:09, MongolHunter wrote:
TheMasked... What are you on about? You can't download mp3's. You can rip music off CD's but that puts them into WMA's. There is no web browser, it would be impossible to download files over the internet onto your xbox harddrive through the official xbox live service.

If however your xbox is chipped you would be able to install some software etc. But the second that the chip is detected on xbox live your banned, so basically they can't have their chip turned on whilst on xbox live.

There will be no other way of playing online. How could the xbox be any less cheat free?


Xbox is easy to hack/alter saves. You turn on your mod chip, then dupe, change stats, whatever, then save. Turn off your mod chip sign on the server and bam, you just cheated and didn't get caught.

[tyrant5911]

Dupping will probably be harder with the hard drive

[Sol-Invictus]

On 2003-01-07 11:02, tyrant5911 wrote:
Dupping will probably be easier with the hard drive


Fixed it for you.

[tyrant5911]

No I think it will be harder because not everyone will be able to do it. Plus the game can always patch itself. Plus the people with hacked Xbox's might have an easier time doing it but these people aren't as large in numbers as people with regular Xboxs

[Sol-Invictus]

On 2003-01-08 08:59, tyrant5911 wrote:
No I think it will be harder because not everyone will be able to do it. Plus the game can always patch itself. Plus the people with hacked Xbox's might have an easier time doing it but these people aren't as large in numbers as people with regular Xboxs


Fiddling around with data on the X-box hard drive is magnitudes easier than doing so on a memory card. Also patching the game wouldn't effect you altering saved data on the hard drive.

[tyrant5911]

Yeah but as of now there is no GS for Xbox and not to many modded Xboxs. Gamecube has Action Replay releasing soon and dupes offline are supposedly extremely easy

[RicoSuave]

On 2003-01-08 12:32, Sol-Invictus wrote:
Fiddling around with data on the X-box hard drive is magnitudes easier than doing so on a memory card. Also patching the game wouldn't effect you altering saved data on the hard drive.


So I take it that you have done it before.

I mean, if it were all so easy why aren't we all doing it right now?


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[Zero21XX]

Sorry ta say but the xbox ver is hacked before it even hits stores with a modded xbox u can rip the game into the hard drive and edit any file u want then tranfer it to a mem card then use it on a legit unmodded xbox ive seen it done with many games do to the fact that u cant use xbox live with a modded xbox ppl now have 2 one for live and one for mods so say good buy to the xbox ver cuz a gameshark,code breaker or action replay will not be need to hack that ver :< so i would say stick with the GameCube ver



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[Omni-SqwirL]

X-box will be more cheat free. It's Microsoft...enough said.

[Murako]

All versions will have duping. Get whatever one you want.

[DJ_Monkey]

On 2003-01-10 01:17, Zero21XX wrote:
Sorry ta say but the xbox ver is hacked before it even hits stores with a modded xbox u can rip the game into the hard drive and edit any file u want then tranfer it to a mem card then use it on a legit unmodded xbox ive seen it done with many games do to the fact that u cant use xbox live with a modded xbox ppl now have 2 one for live and one for mods so say good buy to the xbox ver cuz a gameshark,code breaker or action replay will not be need to hack that ver :< so i would say stick with the GameCube ver...no

Microsoft will make sure that the files cannot be hacked in anyway, which they have done with previous online games on their network.

Sure, a cheating desive won't be needed, but what WILL be needed is another Xbox and a mod. Not to mention a tool to rip the CD to the hard drive(you don't seriously think the Xbox has a built-in data ripper, do you?), and then you have to hack the save file, which won't be easy for anyone but experts.

Cheating on the Xbox will be very hard to do; add to that Microsoft's stance on cheating(warning, then permanent ban), and I doubt anyone would want to take the risk.

No sane person would buy an Xbox just to ruin the fun of others for a few hours, and then get banned, causing them to buy another XBL setup.

Can the Gamecube version do all this? Hell no! I'm glad Microsoft is taking the server duties over; us American gamers will finally get the attention our servers need.

Add to that the INCLUDED USB keyboard adapter(To whoever thought of that idea; you are a saint among saints), and the voice chat(Go ahead, assume that everyone will act like an ass; you'll find that most people don't do it), and the Xbox version will kick major ass over the GC version. Plus, you don't need to pay any HL fees for the Xbox version.

How can that NOT be better than the GC version? Because "M$" is publishing it? If you seriously think that, then you have no hope, Mac/Linux/Unix/Sony/Nintendo fanboy.

I, personally, am willing to forgive Microsoft for their past mistakes(which I hated much, mind you) if they get this version right.

[Raist]

On 2003-01-15 15:11, DJ_Monkey wrote:
Microsoft will make sure that the files cannot be hacked in anyway, which they have done with previous online games on their network.

Didn't those previous online games have server side saving, with pso you can use the same character data offline so i dont think thats the strongest argument. Dont get me wrong i hope the best for the xbox and i just wish the damn game would release so people can stop whining about which will be more "cheat free" but we'll still have to wait a while to see.

[DJ_Monkey]

With the Xbox, it is my understanding that all the files are encrpyted to a limited degree. If those files have anywhere CLOSE to the encryption level of the Xbox itself(2048-bit), then only world-class hackers will be able to hack the files.

[AnimalMother]

Until Sonic Team and everybody else out there who wants to make a game like this one realize that only by having secure online play only servers than cheating will be rampant. Hell even if you do have secure online only servers there is no guarentee that it will be cheat proof. Either way they will both be hacked and duped into oblivion.

[Buuyon]

No no...xblock i mean xbox will die.

[Biohazard]

In my opinion, xbox will get cheated as easily as GC did. Hackers will get their way tru no matter how! You guys are doing the same thing guys did before GC PSO came out. Talk a lot of stuff, of why it wont get cheted and how great it is. Just get real and admit it will get cheted anyway. While people with no life, willing to look for a way to cheat, cheting will always prevail. Just do as I do; Play with legit people and on close games.

[Zero21XX]

whom ever sez the xbox ver will not get hacked or M$ will stop it u gotta be out of ur mind i myself have cheated on xbox with MotoGP(MAX STATS) race me and see for urself the name is ZeroX on XBL M$ never found anything and ive been doing this since it came out there is no way to stop it cause i use the trainers on a modded xbox and via memcard u tranfer ur file to ur unmodded xbox M$ only checks for moded TSOP, modchips and dash boards aka the Xbox OS not the files in the game so let me say it "READ THE FACTS BEFORE U MAKE URSELF LOOK STUPID" search yahoo for it heres a few sites that have xbox hacks ect on em http://WWW.Xbox-Scene.com http://evox.xboxhackz.net/ http://www.gotmod.com/ http://www.xboxhacker.net/ and there 100s more it was a bad idea to add a harddrive to a console it makes it Xtreamly ez to hack just like a pc hopefully M$ duznt do the same mistake on there next console



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[AMP]

If I'm not mistaken, you won't be able to save you characters on to a memory card in the Xbox version of PSO. Also I believe Mircosoft bans your Xbox by it's serial, so buying a new Xbox Live! kit won't get you unbanned.

[Zero21XX]

yup thats true i just read that but heres an ez way around that take ur hard drive out of ur xbox put it in ur modded xbox and edit the files via ftp then relock ur hd and put it back inside ur unmodded xbox and b4 u ask yes ppl will go though the that just to hack a game lol ive done it to add wma's(music) to my xbox

[Zero21XX]

woops almost forgot
WARNING ***DO NOT LET UR XBOX BOOT FROM THE DASH USE AN EVOX DISK*** WARNING if u let the xbox boot from the dash u will be banned from xbl ...WHY? when u boot the XBOX dash from a modchip it nukes the harddrive AKA lets XBL know u have a mod chip and kills ur XBOX tho it can be easly fix LOL



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[harmfulcow]

CAUTION*****DO NOT BUY XBOX, WHEN YOU TRY TO PICK IT UP YOU WILL HAVE A HERNIA AND THE GARGANTUAN CONTROLLERS WILL DISTORT YOUR FINGERS AND MUSCLES FOLLOWED BY CRAPPY GAMES AND GAMEPLAY THUS CAUSING YOU TO EXPLODE*****

[ALPHAM0F0]

your overlooking the most important fact of the little cheaters on pso..... There all dumb lil kids that only know, "hey lets me put this number/ letter here!"
look i have a modded box, and the only wa to mod your saves is threw a long pain in the ass we call time, which pso cheaters have none of

[TeamPhalanx]

I like to focus on the demographics, mainly because I've little doubt cheating will exist in both versions.

GC's primary audiences are kids and teens, while X-Box's are teens and adults - what MS calls "hardcore" gamers.

If X-Box owners are truly "hardcore" then they wouldn't cheat.

[Vampir]

Team, I beg to differ. You are assuming the definition of Hardcore to mean "more legit" At least that is what I'm assuming http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif from your statement. I've played plenty of PC games and I hang around guys and gals who play them. "They" considered themselves hardcore and all console players to be "softcore" The fact that Xbox uses an hard drive makes hacking easier. Since the technology is OS based more people are incline to venture in and mod it. Unless MS uses some type of integrity check on their hardware and maybe software then hacking will be as bad or worse.

[TeamPhalanx]

By hardcore, I mean hardcore...

Okay, take Counter-Strike for example. Most players who've played the game have probably run into a guy that can take multiple headshots w/o falling over. (pathetic cheater) The hardcore players would never do that. To them it's all about spending hours coming up with a strategy and hone their timing.

If X-Box truly has a lot of hardcore gamers, they'll undoubtely take the effort/hours to search for items instead of taking shortcuts and cheat.

[Vampir]

I hope so tTeam...I will not get it, but I hope their experience and environment will better than GC. Then ST will hopefully take pointers to improving the next one for GC.

[Jack]

On 2003-01-20 19:15, harmfulcow wrote:
CAUTION*****DO NOT BUY XBOX, WHEN YOU TRY TO PICK IT UP YOU WILL HAVE A HERNIA AND THE GARGANTUAN CONTROLLERS WILL DISTORT YOUR FINGERS AND MUSCLES FOLLOWED BY CRAPPY GAMES AND GAMEPLAY THUS CAUSING YOU TO EXPLODE*****




I'd like to take this time out to say that this post is complete bollocks, as the controller has nothing to do with how easy it will be to cheat on Xbox PSO, and that if you don't like "omfg it r teh big fag0t lol" pad, use a Controller S. Simple really, like many of the posters here.

As for the cheating, it will be more prevailant on the Xbox. As as been said, you can turn on the chip, edit your files, turn it off, and play as normal. It's much the same as using cheat discs on the DC.