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phunk
Jul 9, 2006, 07:02 PM
I saw a thread dedicated to this a few days ago, wanted to go ahead and through in my own mix of remaking classic Phantasy Star characters but didn't have the time.

Here's a batch I did quickly earlier today, did a few of the main characters from PSIV.

Sorry for the shoddy cropping job, they were rushed hehe:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Chaz.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Alys.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Rika.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Hahn.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Rune.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Wren.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y209/Erinyas/Demi.jpg

Anyone else have any to show?



Edit: Just wanted to add that I'm really suprised by the depth of which PSU allows you to create characters, really excited to go and try something drastic once the game goes retail.

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SirenV
Jul 9, 2006, 08:19 PM
Those are really nice http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif! I'm may do a few and post them later.



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Shiro_Ryuu
Jul 9, 2006, 08:22 PM
shouldn't Rika's eyes be a bit bigger?

phunk
Jul 9, 2006, 09:52 PM
On 2006-07-09 18:22, Shiroryuu wrote:
shouldn't Rika's eyes be a bit bigger?



I was thinking the same thing. She looked a bit too young when I went ahead and made them that big.

Saner
Jul 10, 2006, 12:18 AM
why is Chaz wearing blue? no red shirts? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

and do you think you could've made Hahn's darker like brown?

overall those are pretty good attempts! Demi has long hair, though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

DizzyDi
Jul 10, 2006, 12:23 AM
Nice try on the characters. Makes me even more excited to make my own characters. =O

isahn80
Jul 10, 2006, 12:28 AM
If that's the best the character creator can do, I'm not impressed. This isn't a knock against you, phunk, because I'm sure you did everything you could, but I mean, if I was looking at the PSU characters without knowing who they're supposed to be, I wouldn't be able to guess who they were!

Saner
Jul 10, 2006, 01:02 AM
well the art style and clothes styles and hairstyles, etc. were really not designed with PSIV or any of the classic PS games in mind.

but I'm really grateful they improved the face models, clothes, overall art of the characters, and the increase in number of polygons to include more detailed and smooth facial expressions for cut in chat as well!

PSO's character artstyle felt too clownish and flat in comparison. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

isahn80
Jul 10, 2006, 01:10 AM
You have a point, Saner. Maybe there will be more options in the completed game?

Hmmm... I wonder how Mieu would turn out if she were tried?

phunk
Jul 10, 2006, 01:15 AM
On 2006-07-09 23:10, isahn80 wrote:
You have a point, Saner. Maybe there will be more options in the completed game?

Hmmm... I wonder how Mieu would turn out if she were tried?

I'll try, but I better do damn well because I know Saner might blow up on me if I mess up on it =P.

Shivore
Jul 10, 2006, 05:27 AM
Eh, who cares if he blows up? I want to practice with the creation tool more anyway so I went ahead and did it. Although I never played PSIII much, so all I had to go on was that sprite image you see next to her. I'm not really satisfied with it, but others might be able to do better. I just wish so much that there could be more hair options. Maybe in the full version there will be.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/Horigan/untitled.jpg

WREN-IIX
Jul 10, 2006, 06:53 PM
I think You did a great job, I have been playing phantasy star
since the mid 1980's and can't wait to re-create characters from
its magnificent history !

isahn80
Jul 10, 2006, 07:05 PM
That looks pretty good, Shivore. It's too bad Mieu's a cyborg...

phunk
Jul 10, 2006, 07:44 PM
On 2006-07-10 17:05, isahn80 wrote:
That looks pretty good, Shivore. It's too bad Mieu's a cyborg...

Ye, that cyborg thing made it hard to actually fool about with the face but here's a quick one:

I modeled it off of this picture

http://www.legendra.com/art/galeries/phantasy_star_iii/mini_21.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~brandon_foy/Psu_2006-07-10_06-41-07-82.bmp

Sinue_v2
Jul 11, 2006, 02:18 AM
Considering the limitations of the PSU character creation engine, those depictions look really good. Though I don't think I'll try to recreate any PS characters in PSU... I like my own creations.

Kimil
Jul 11, 2006, 02:25 AM
On 2006-07-09 19:52, phunk wrote:


On 2006-07-09 18:22, Shiroryuu wrote:
shouldn't Rika's eyes be a bit bigger?



I was thinking the same thing. She looked a bit too young when I went ahead and made them that big.



Rika is one year old O.O

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 03:10 AM
On 2006-07-10 17:05, isahn80 wrote:
That looks pretty good, Shivore. It's too bad Mieu's a cyborg...



"too bad"?!?!? being a cyborg is not bad at all! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


if you compare Mieu to a beautiful human supermodel, 100 years from now Mieu would still look young and beautiful while her rival ends up just a granny. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

but what is all of this attention on Mieu all of the sudden? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

well face wise yes, the PSU Casts have those lines on their face. but even so, PSIII Wren had lines on his face so a PSU version of Mieu could still look pretty accurate.

but ya the hair....her style would be impossible to emulate unless they specifically provide that hairstyle with Mieu in mind. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


I seen body armor that seem to look better for a PSU Mieu than what Phunk posted, although that armor looks pretty good too! I think it's the armor set that has longer arm sleeves/wristbands that stretch up.


her eyes should be bigger too! Mieu may look mature but she's still cute and wonderful too just like her character design creator, Toyo Ozaki, always portrays her in her art. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


Those are wonderful attempts, Shivore and Phunk. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


so um you guys are planning on making a Mieu? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Sinue_v2
Jul 11, 2006, 03:26 AM
f you compare Mieu to a beautiful human supermodel, 100 years from now Mieu would still look young and beautiful while her rival ends up just a granny.

Not necessarily...

http://www.phantasy-star.net/art/chars/miun.gif


but what is all of this attention on Mieu all of the sudden?

I've always been a big Meiu fan. Where did you come from?


so um you guys are planning on making a Mieu?

No.. but I'm hoping for a Meiu PM evolution...

isahn80
Jul 11, 2006, 03:27 AM
On 2006-07-11 01:10, Saner wrote:


On 2006-07-10 17:05, isahn80 wrote:
That looks pretty good, Shivore. It's too bad Mieu's a cyborg...



but what is all of this attention on Mieu all of the sudden? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Looking at your sig just made me wonder, and then everyone else did the work (if only if I had the beta...). Mieu was always one of my PS3 favs, too.




so um you guys are planning on making a Mieu? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



I just might as my sole female character, as the one phunk made looks pretty bitchin'. I was also thinking of having a Nei. Either way, she'd use double claws almost exclusively (Or at least as much as reasonably possible).






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Shivore
Jul 11, 2006, 05:41 AM
Alright, going by the picture I had I didn't realize that she wasn't human. One more reason to pull my head out of Lineage 2 and go back to PS3, I know almost none of the story beyond the point Rhys gets thrown in the dungeon, every time I play it I keep switching it off and going to a different RPG.



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Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 02:47 PM
Not necessarily..



well that's if they receive serious battle damage.

naturally all physical things in life can be scarred, even if they never age physically.

but it's definitely easier to repair a cyborg than a human. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Nai_Calus
Jul 11, 2006, 02:52 PM
Knowing me, I'll probably have an Alis recreation tucked away somewhere. XP

Maybe along the way they've come to their senses, and the final version of PSU will include a pink headband somewhere. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 02:53 PM
On 2006-07-11 03:41, Shivore wrote:
Alright, going by the picture I had I didn't realize that she wasn't human. One more reason to pull my head out of Lineage 2 and go back to PS3, I know almost none of the story beyond the point Rhys gets thrown in the dungeon, every time I play it I keep switching it off and going to a different RPG.



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aaaah you are missing out on one of the greatest stories ever! and PSIII is a true Phantasy Star because it is related to one before it.

The character interaction may not be scripted as strong and frequently like PSIV, but it's definitely more character driven than PSII was. (though the battle system is more closer to PS1 than PSII and IV)

the revolutionary Generations system leads to alternate timelines and endings. and it's not confusing at all. and it's good the difficulty is not as harsh as PSII. but at times it can be harder than PSIV.

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 03:02 PM
On 2006-07-11 12:53, Saner wrote:


On 2006-07-11 03:41, Shivore wrote:
Alright, going by the picture I had I didn't realize that she wasn't human. One more reason to pull my head out of Lineage 2 and go back to PS3, I know almost none of the story beyond the point Rhys gets thrown in the dungeon, every time I play it I keep switching it off and going to a different RPG.



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aaaah you are missing out on one of the greatest stories ever! and PSIII is a true Phantasy Star because it is related to one before it.

The character interaction may not be scripted as strong and frequently like PSIV, but it's definitely more character driven than PSII was. (though the battle system is more closer to PS1 than PSII and IV)

the revolutionary Generations system leads to alternate timelines and endings. and it's not confusing at all. and it's good the difficulty is not as harsh as PSII. but at times it can be harder than PSIV.


but in ps2, a planet blows up! THATS why ps2 is better than 3 lol.
jk. out of all the ps games, i'd have to say well, they all rule. PS1 started the damn series, so its up there. ps2 had an awesome storyline not to mention decent music, it even had a song similar to tricktrack!. ps3 had multiple endings, and ps4 had better graphics and a great storyline.

EDIT: Ps4 is more related tp ps2 than 3 is. the timeline for all the games goes: ps1-ps4-ps2-ps3,

ps2 even starts out with alis from ps4 dying

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Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 03:26 PM
but in ps2, a planet blows up! THATS why ps2 is better than 3 lol.
jk. out of all the ps games, i'd have to say well, they all rule. PS1 started the damn series, so its up there. ps2 had an awesome storyline not to mention decent music, it even had a song similar to tricktrack!. ps3 had multiple endings, and ps4 had better graphics and a great storyline.

EDIT: Ps4 is more related tp ps2 than 3 is. the timeline for all the games goes: ps1-ps4-ps2-ps3,

ps2 even starts out with alis from ps4 dying

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what in the world?????/ PS4 does not take place before PSII. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 03:34 PM
yes it does lol. If you check here http://www.phantasy-star.net/psu/psutime.html
you'll see it clearly says..
NM! It occurs during the same time or after. Hmmmm but i know for sure thats alys in rolfs dream.
hmmmmmmmm. oh wait. i remember it ps1-ps2-ps4-ps3.
my bad



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Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 03:37 PM
lol of course because PS4's intro even says it takes place about 2000 years after the Mother Brain era.

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 03:39 PM
On 2006-07-11 13:37, Saner wrote:
lol of course because PS4's intro even says it takes place about 2000 years after the Mother Brain era.




but thats Alys in rolfs dream. THATs what got me confused. but yea. i nvr had ps4. So i gotta go by that website.

isahn80
Jul 11, 2006, 03:47 PM
On 2006-07-11 13:37, Saner wrote:
lol of course because PS4's intro even says it takes place about 2000 years after the Mother Brain era.



Saner, you're wrong. PS4 takes place 1000 years after PS2. If you want me to bust out the PS4 script, I will.
Don't make me.

Also, PS3 and PS4 take place at approximately the same time, if you go by Western canon. In the Japanese timeline, PS3 is 1000 years after PS4.

And DikkyRay, as much as I like the Phantasy Star Ultimate timeline from the PSPages, it was made by two guys who wrote fanfics, so even though it makes sense, it's not official.

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 03:59 PM
oh ya I forgot it is 1000 years.

"Four bells tolled, four torches were lit.

And the universe continued for a thousand years."


ah 1000, 2000, samething. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 04:03 PM
that still doesnt explain why Alys was in Rolfs dream
and isahn, i know its not official, but hey, sega didnt make the time to make a timeline, plus these guys went by the guides and such so yea

isahn80
Jul 11, 2006, 04:11 PM
On 2006-07-11 14:03, DikkyRay wrote:
that still doesnt explain why Alys was in Rolfs dream
and isahn, i know its not official, but hey, sega didnt make the time to make a timeline, plus these guys went by the guides and such so yea



[EDIT: Alys cahnged to Alis]

Alis was in Rolf's dream because she was his ancestor, and as a warning that Dark Force had returned to Algo.

You're right, the PSU timeline is better than nothing and official information was used, for the most part (they inserted stuff from their own fanfics).



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DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 04:29 PM
On 2006-07-11 14:11, isahn80 wrote:


On 2006-07-11 14:03, DikkyRay wrote:
that still doesnt explain why Alys was in Rolfs dream
and isahn, i know its not official, but hey, sega didnt make the time to make a timeline, plus these guys went by the guides and such so yea



Alys was in Rolf's dream because she was his ancestor, and as a warning that Dark Force had returned to Algo.

You're right, the PSU timeline is better than nothing and official information was used, for the most part (they inserted stuff from their own fanfics).


you have to admit, some of ther fanfics were pretty damn good.
then again you didn't say they were bad...

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 04:54 PM
People are confusing Alys with Alis.


Alis Landale (PS1) is the one Rolf was dreaming about.

Alys Brangwin is from PSIV.

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 04:59 PM
On 2006-07-11 14:54, Saner wrote:
People are confusing Alys with Alis.


Alis Landale (PS1) is the one Rolf was dreaming about.

Alys Brangwin is from PSIV.




I know, Alys (ps4) was in rolfs dream. isahn cleared it up



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Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 05:05 PM
On 2006-07-11 14:59, DikkyRay wrote:


On 2006-07-11 14:54, Saner wrote:
People are confusing Alys with Alis.


Alis Landale (PS1) is the one Rolf was dreaming about.

Alys Brangwin is from PSIV.




I know, Alys (ps4) was in rolfs dream. isahn cleared it up



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nooooooooooo ROLF DID NOT DREAM OF ALYS (PS4).

Rolf dreamt of ALIS LANDALE (PS1).

http://www.phantasy-star.net/psii/psiiscreens3.html

http://www.phantasy-star.net/psii/psiiscreens4.html

http://www.phantasy-star.net/

http://www.phantasy-star.net/psiv/psiv.html

you have it the other way around. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 05:08 PM
no im 100% sure its alys. That exact pic comes up when zio is about to kill her. at least i think it is.

DikkyRay
Jul 11, 2006, 05:11 PM
wait nm ur right lol. it is alis. hmmm i thought i read tht it was alys thho. oh well

VR_Pilot
Jul 11, 2006, 05:30 PM
On 2006-07-11 13:47, isahn80 wrote:
Also, PS3 and PS4 take place at approximately the same time, if you go by Western canon. In the Japanese timeline, PS3 is 1000 years after PS4.


Well, that's kinda right. The first half of PS3 (The Laya-Orakio War)happens at the same time as PS4. The second half (The actual game) takes place 1000 years after.

isahn80
Jul 11, 2006, 05:50 PM
On 2006-07-11 15:11, DikkyRay wrote:
wait nm ur right lol. it is alis. hmmm i thought i read tht it was alys thho. oh well



Sorry, I wrote Alys, but I meant Alis. My fault.

Oh, and the PS Ultimate fics were great. I even based my first one off of theirs. It's kind of far-fetched, though.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2939600/1/

Sinue_v2
Jul 11, 2006, 06:14 PM
but it's definitely easier to repair a cyborg than a human.

Seemed pretty easy to me.. just visit a priest or a clone-hag. Humans and other "Bios" gained the benefit of Res and other healing techniques in all the games - whereas in PSIV you had to rely largely on a droid's self-repair techniques and repair kits.

So it's actually more prohibitive to repair and ressurect androids/cyborgs. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

As for the rest or what I was going to type up, isahn80 cleared it up rather nicely.

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 08:44 PM
On 2006-07-11 16:14, Sinue_v2 wrote:

but it's definitely easier to repair a cyborg than a human.

Seemed pretty easy to me.. just visit a priest or a clone-hag. Humans and other "Bios" gained the benefit of Res and other healing techniques in all the games - whereas in PSIV you had to rely largely on a droid's self-repair techniques and repair kits.

So it's actually more prohibitive to repair and ressurect androids/cyborgs. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

As for the rest or what I was going to type up, isahn80 cleared it up rather nicely.




hey that doesn't count! PSIII's cyborgs are different from PSIV's androids.

cyborgs can use techniques and can be healed by techniques too.

and like PSIII, PSU's Casts are much like cyborgs since they are not immune to poison and stuff like that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Sinue_v2
Jul 11, 2006, 10:29 PM
Perhaps, but the discussion (iirc) wasn't strickly limited to PSIII or PSU. I was considering the entire PS series as a whole. While the difference is mostly neglegable - the "fleshies" still have a slight advantage because of PSIV.

Saner
Jul 11, 2006, 11:11 PM
what advantage. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

SirenV
Jul 12, 2006, 12:08 AM
Hmm, if I remember correctly, I remember hearing something about Mieu being a bit more "human" than you'd think. Yes.. listen to this, taken from PSIII wiki, but I doubt they'd lie about the doujinshi...

"Despite being labeled a "Mieu-type combat cyborg," there is evidence that she is capable of doing more domestic tasks. In a doujinshi released by the character designer of PS3, Toyo Ozaki, the character Sean claims that Mieu was a surrogate mother to him and even breast-fed him because his mother, Thea, was sick (none of the other descendants of Rhys knew she had this function.) For some reason, she is also the only character in the game that can use the Grantz technique. The full extent of Mieu's functions is a mystery."

My only question to this is how would he remember if he was that young? XD.

Also, a translation of the Phantasy Star Compendium reveals this:

Mieu Type S2
"An android indistinguishable from other beautiful women who, except for the fact that she never blinks, looks like an ordinary girl. Like the Shirren [Wren]-types, she was made with the super-advanced knowledge of ancient times, but she has emotions. It is unknown, however, whether or not these were programmed or if she has a will of her own."

So maybe Mieu really does trump other women? XD I don't know. The compendium also states that Wren doesn't have any emotions. We know Lou doesn't have any (although I know they're not supposed to cross over) , and I think Demi mentions not having any either, I'm not sure. Anyway... I wonder how she got to be so special? She also was one of my PS3 favorites, and I also entertained the idea of creating her or Nei... but I'm not sure yet.

Anyway, the advantage "fleshies" have over the Androids in PSIV is as Sinue said... they don't have have the encumberance of dawdling around with repair kits and repair techniques. Androids don't get healed by sar, and stuff, so you have to take extra time to have them heal themself instead of having someone else do it for them, I guess.

And yeah, to get a good Mieu (at least in beta) is difficult.. much less anyone else for that matter really.. and although it'd go against her "cyborgitude".. to make a realistic mieu it may not a bad idea to make a human since she more or less appears "human". They have better magic capabilities too, and although they wouldnt be as strong (Mieu could really tear it up with those claws), if hunters ever are allowed to equip canes or something at least technique wise (and maybe overall when you factor in evasion and dfp and whatnot) a human would be closer to her charactert. But I guess it doesnt really matter. I'm tireD and don't know what I'm talking about really! lol. 100 posts! Hooray (I didn't start posting until more recently despite when it says I signed up)

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Saner
Jul 12, 2006, 12:27 AM
On 2006-07-11 22:08, SirenV wrote:
Hmm, if I remember correctly, I remember hearing something about Mieu being a bit more "human" than you'd think. Yes.. listen to this, taken from PSIII wiki, but I doubt they'd lie about the doujinshi...

"Despite being labeled a "Mieu-type combat cyborg," there is evidence that she is capable of doing more domestic tasks. In a doujinshi released by the character designer of PS3, Toyo Ozaki, the character Sean claims that Mieu was a surrogate mother to him and even breast-fed him because his mother, Thea, was sick (none of the other descendants of Rhys knew she had this function.) For some reason, she is also the only character in the game that can use the Grantz technique. The full extent of Mieu's functions is a mystery."

My only question to this is how would he remember if he was that young? XD.

Also, a translation of the Phantasy Star Compendium reveals this:

Mieu Type S2
"An android indistinguishable from other beautiful women who, except for the fact that she never blinks, looks like an ordinary girl. Like the Shirren [Wren]-types, she was made with the super-advanced knowledge of ancient times, but she has emotions. It is unknown, however, whether or not these were programmed or if she has a will of her own."

So maybe Mieu really does trump other women? XD I don't know. The compendium also states that Wren doesn't have any emotions. We know Lou doesn't have any (although I know they're not supposed to cross over) , and I think Demi mentions not having any either, I'm not sure. Anyway... I wonder how she got to be so special? She also was one of my PS3 favorites, and I also entertained the idea of creating her or Nei... but I'm not sure yet.

Anyway, the advantage "fleshies" have over the Androids in PSIV is as Sinue said... they don't have have the encumberance of dawdling around with repair kits and repair techniques. Androids don't get healed by sar, and stuff, so you have to take extra time to have them heal themself instead of having someone else do it for them, I guess.

And yeah, to get a good Mieu (at least in beta) is difficult.. much less anyone else for that matter really.. and although it'd go against her "cyborgitude".. to make a realistic mieu it may not a bad idea to make a human since she more or less appears "human". They have better magic capabilities too, and although they wouldnt be as strong (Mieu could really tear it up with those claws), if hunters ever are allowed to equip canes or something at least technique wise (and maybe overall when you factor in evasion and dfp and whatnot) a human would be closer to her charactert. But I guess it doesnt really matter. I'm tireD and don't know what I'm talking about really! lol. 100 posts! Hooray (I didn't start posting until more recently despite when it says I signed up)

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ya that's all true. you can even find the doujinshi comics of Toyo Ozaki at http://www.pscave.com they are awesome! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

but ya, as for a PSU version of Mieu, Miun has proven there is more than 1 Mieu type, and these like Wren have definitely been mass produced for wars long ago.

so really there's no wrong way to make a PSU Mieu! whether you choose Human or Cast, it would still work out. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


(edit) kwaaa! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif My title currently says 'Legendary' now! whee!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


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Sinue_v2
Jul 12, 2006, 12:33 AM
You can find the "Surrogate Mother" comic and others here (http://www.algol-star-system.net/data-memory/ozaki-comics.shtml).

As for Meiu, I'm not sure if it's "Cannon" that PS makes a definitive difference between Cyborgs and Androids - but most of the fandom does acknowladge the difference, and it's the "Cyborg" components of her which allow her to breast feed. If they can synthesise living skin, why not mammory glands as well?

About her techs... that's still pretty much under debate as far as I'm concerned... and it's a deep one. I dunno if you want to get into it.

isahn80
Jul 12, 2006, 01:38 AM
On 2006-07-11 22:33, Sinue_v2 wrote:

As for Meiu, I'm not sure if it's "Cannon" that PS makes a definitive difference between Cyborgs and Androids - but most of the fandom does acknowladge the difference, and it's the "Cyborg" components of her which allow her to breast feed. If they can synthesise living skin, why not mammory glands as well?



Hmmm... I wonder if she's "fully functional" if you catch my drift...

Anyway, I agree.

Cyborg = cybernetic organism, part biological, part machine

Android = artificial life form, completely machine.


This would explain why Mieu can use techs since part of her brain could have organic components (assuming that's where techs come from). If the PSU characters are cyborgs too, this would aslo explain how they can suddenly use force powers.

Saner
Jul 12, 2006, 02:07 AM
yup yup as I said all along.

the PSU Casts are more than likely cyborgs. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


while the PSO Casts are androids. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Sinue_v2
Jul 12, 2006, 04:13 AM
Well, just to clarify before hand... I'm of the impression that Magic in PS is much the same as the generic innate ability to mold the ether flow of the universe into a desired response. A concept found primarily in western cultures. Techniques are more of a learned "Chi" like spiritual energy drawn or focused from the individual, of which examples are mostly eastern in origin. This duality of eastern and western concepts have been a core attribute of Phantasy Star since it's inception - after all... it was the mixtures of multi-culturual concepts in Star Wars which inspired Phantasy Star in the first place.

Now that I've got that out of the way... we have to define techs. They are a "Chi" like energy which can be learned (they come from disks in PSO) by most people. Ok.. so what is the source of the power? Organic components? That explains why Wren, Demi, and the PSO androids can't use them... but what about Rudo in PSII? He cannot use techs, which is suspicious because they would be highly useful in his line of work as a Hunter. I doubt he would simply "choose" not to use them when a mechanic like Kain would. Perhaps he was too stupid to learn them - being a more brawn and brawl guy like Odin, but I didn't notice anything in the script or dialouge which treated him as such.

Even so... why couldn't simple "Bio-Packs" be installed on androids like Wren or Kireek to give them technique capabilities? Not to mention that, by looking at Miun, the fleshy parts of that model android were merely an outer covering - revealing a purely robotic being at the center. If Meiu were to have all her skin stripped off... would she lose her technique abilities? I doubt it.

The only thing I can think of, is that is dependant on the existance of a soul. Yet that's clearly not the case if you look to PSO's "Technique Traps" - purely mechanical devices that don't even have basic AI - but are capable of producing techs.

Meiu is, as she has always been... an oddity. A simple case of not having a clear, unifying, vision for Phantasy Star until the end of the series. By the time PSO was released - a new vision, and a new world was created. (Which, by the way, also didn't have a unifying vision - even at the end. Inexcusable and sub-standard considering that PS was quite story-heavy for console RPGs at the time they were produced - and still managed to create a more logical and less plot-hole-riddled storyline).

Oh.. and as for weither or not she's "Fully Functional" - I can't say. I would, however, gladly volunteer my services to find out if that can be arranged. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

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Nai_Calus
Jul 12, 2006, 04:44 AM
Speaking of the PS Compendium translation, a somewhat more official timeline is given in the Compendium. (I say 'somewhat' because some of it reeks of the kind of joyous revisionist written-after-the-fact BS ST pulled with PSOEp3. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

Still, it's better than a fan-made timeline. If for no other reason than that it doesn't send me into fits of raving hysterics. (Noah and Lutz are the SAME. BLOODY. FRICKING. PERSON. Argh!!) (Also, Alis was 15, not 18. I'll give them that nobody really knows for sure how old Lutz, Odin and Myau were, but pretty bishounen and the tendency of RPGs to have retardedly young characters saving the world aside, I doubt very, very highly that Lutz was 20 at the time of PSI.)
(I am also completely baffled as to how they can refer to the birthdates given for the PSII cast in the Compendium while completely ignoring the Compendium's timeline and Alis' given age... Then again... NOAH IS STILL LUTZ, DAMN IT.)
(*weeps*)
(*abuses parenthesis*)
(Well, at least this thread hasn't been hijacked too far since it was about PS characters in the first place, more or less... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif )

And pssh on the inevitable armies of Neis and Rikas(And apparently Mieus). XP Clearly they shall need to be countered. >3 (An Alis and a Kyra, perhaps. Nobody but me likes Kyra anyway. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif (Though sometimes I wonder if anyone likes poor Alis either. XP Pssht, just because they didn't have pointy ears and wore actual clothing...))

Sinue_v2
Jul 12, 2006, 06:17 AM
Actually, Alis is one of my favorite characters - and one of the most well designed RPG females in gaming IMO. I just... have a weakness for android girls like Lou, Meiu, and my Sinue. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Kyra was alright... but she only intrigued me for about 10 minuites. She wasn't a very prominant character in PSIV, even compaired to Raja. She's like the Hugh or Kain of PSIV. They're useful at times... but not nearly as memorable.

ShinMaruku
Jul 12, 2006, 07:14 AM
I'm gonnna make a Zio and make people praise me.