PS2 MUST DIE! Long live the FUTURE! [Archive]

MAGNUShunter

Jul 10, 2006, 06:58 PM

This is not an attack on PS2. Most of us have and love our PS2's and have enjoyed them for years now. Please read entire thread before posting!
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I'm all for the 360 and PC linkage(contrary to popular consensus)-please here me out before jumin down my throat.

1)the ps2 is about a decade old! I know i've said this before, but if we really care about the FUTURE of this beautiful series, then we need to let the ps2 die! I love the ps2 but THINK about it. All future updates of this game will be held back based on what the ps2 is capable of.
Say ST or the fans have an idea that would better the game (like new levels, game-types, pvp or even things that havent been thought of yet!), it's all gonna come down to this, "can the ps2 handle it?" If not, then screw the future.
360/PC Linkage will at least leave room for growth on those platforms, which are highly capable of handling anything that can be thrown at them at this point.

2)Linking all three would be good, only if looking forward to the backward compatibility of the ps3. This would enable ps2 users that are hardcore Sony fans to migrate to a more powerful and ADAPTABLE system in the future, allowing for more powerful features being implemented into the game. (Again, keep in mind that the better the hardware, the more you can do in all areas, not just graphics!)
Anywayz'
That's my two meseta.

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drkoolguy

Jul 10, 2006, 07:04 PM

You fail.... You fail so bad...

DizzyDi

Jul 10, 2006, 07:05 PM

Ain't gunna happen.

- The 360 Doesn't have NEARLY as large a user base as PS2 does.

- The average 360 user is into FPS and fighting games, not MMO's

- The PS2 still has a good little bit of life left in it, games like Valkyrie Profile:Silmeria can show you that it can still pump out some beautiful graphics and whatnot.

- Future versions of PSU will probably be released on both the PS3 AND PS2 as well as 360 and PC.

- Doubtful 360 is gunna be linked, cause if it is it will disable voice chat for 360 PSU user, and I doubt they're gunna wanna sacrifice that.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 10, 2006, 07:08 PM

I didnt just make up the linkage idea myself. Read here: http://pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=114932&forum=20&33
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
Ps3 is coming. For that, I am happy.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 10, 2006, 07:10 PM

- The PS2 still has a good little bit of life left in it...

"Little bit"
Thats kinda my point. I think they are just holding out till the p23 release. They would not be releasing ps3 if they didnt think thought that ps2 was outdated.

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Sev

Jul 10, 2006, 07:11 PM

I like the topic name though, it was the first thing I saw when I came out of posting from another thread, gave me a good laugh.

Money is probably more important. Afterall, the more money they make, the more they'll wanna do for this game.

There's also one more important thing... With the PS3 set to release at it's expensive price... What makes you think PS2 users are going to upgrade to one right away? I know I'm not buying one despite wanting some of the games it has, I'm sorry, that's just too steep for me. Not too mention to enjoy all of the features you're gonna wanna have a 1080p HDTV. Yeah, that'll set ya back quite a bit.

PS3 costs about as much as a used car. 1080p HDTV could possibly reach the price of a new car?

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DizzyDi

Jul 10, 2006, 07:12 PM

No, they're definately not holding out for the PS3 release. That just doesn't make any sense at all. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Ibuka

Jul 10, 2006, 07:12 PM

PSU was designed for PS2 at start... So it would be kinda crazy for SonicTeam to dump the project version they started on to move it to another console when it was ment for PS2.
They other version of PSU are just ports from the PS2 that look slightly better.
Most likely if theres any really big add on's or what ever. They'll most likely will make PSU.V2 disc for PS2 users to buy and have the 360 users and PC users up date it to there hard drives

Earthsunderer

Jul 10, 2006, 07:15 PM

Isn't the PS 2 more popular than the X-Box 360 in Japan? I mean, for SEGA, the japanese demographics are well more worth to consider than some foreign game console that only the westerners are mostly interested, and they did work on this game which was meant for the PS 2 since the beginning for years, before the X-Box 360 was even designed.

It's nice that SEGA does care however about the 'gajiin' machine and really thinks that there also is profit to make on it.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 10, 2006, 07:21 PM

I love ps2. But I guess I have always followed the games instead of the consoles. (In fact, I've pretty much measured every game I've played against PSO. Sad I know...but the Best game ever!)
The ps2 fan-boy frenzy makes me worried that the development of Sony's "Mind-Control Device" are furthur along than we think. (read here for Mind Control: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=sony+patents+mind+control&spell=1 )

But the money issue...that's probably the only reason I can ligitimately support.

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drkoolguy

Jul 10, 2006, 07:21 PM

Earthsunderer:

It's nice that SEGA does care however about the 'gajiin' machine and really thinks that there also is profit to make on it.

Wow, he didn't see tokyo drift.

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Sev

Jul 10, 2006, 07:26 PM

On 2006-07-10 17:21, drkoolguy wrote:

Earthsunderer:

It's nice that SEGA does care however about the 'gajiin' machine and really thinks that there also is profit to make on it.

Wow, he didn't see tokyo drift.

Neither did I.

Earthsunderer

Jul 10, 2006, 07:27 PM

What do you mean by that? I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean with the Tokyo drift.

drkoolguy

Jul 10, 2006, 07:31 PM

~_~ gajiin is thrown in that movie like 8 million times.

Earthsunderer

Jul 10, 2006, 07:34 PM

It refers to a movie? I guess as in the negative meaning one foreigner believes this word is mostly meant, doesn't it?

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 07:42 PM

well like someone stated above... the price is too steep and many people are are just going to wait till it drops. I mean for 0-50 bucks more your could buy a 360 and a wii which combined will have all the features of the PS3 except they will be done better. And as for new content and such ST will just release things off the disk like they did with PSO except this time ST has thought it out for several years. Should need be, there will be a seperate updated version of the online sold like BB, besides that beast/fan boy machine/steamroller sony has made isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon.

Am I the only one that thinks it is strange how the new consoles are comming out right when the PS2's graphics are just starting to not suck?

Foxix= equal lover of all systems... except the PS3... almost punched my pc in after watching that carpy press conference which basically just ripped off what everyone else has already done... sorry... sony just... argh!

Much love for the PS2 though seeing as how I will be playing PSU on it.

Pheromone

Jul 10, 2006, 09:33 PM

Kim Jong Il must die! Ascend President Bush!

Saner

Jul 10, 2006, 09:43 PM

why can't ya'll just get along?

PS2 is not an enemy, it's built up a greater offline and online user base than Xbox360 and Xbox combined. both systems are getting the game so there's no reason to whine about it like the Nintendo fans are.

if anyone appreciates RPGs and online RPGs more than your average Xbox fan, it's PS2 owners.

Xbox is mainly about 'shooters' and 'headsets', Bioware did help introduce decent quality RPGs to Xbox gamers but overall, Xbox systems have grown up to focus mostly on specific types of genres and attitudes towards gaming in general.

then there's the Xbox Live service where many people expect to not have to pay extra for any online games, even online Rpgs, they just don't understand the whole process of maintaining servers that are independant from Xbox Live.

overall, PS2 has advantages just like PC and Xbox360.

we'll never hear the end of 'graphics comparisons', etc. etc.

but remember PSU is made with the PS2's hardware in mind so there's really not much of a difference worthy of proving which system is better.

everyone has their own preferences and they are not going to change their minds.

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DikkyRay

Jul 10, 2006, 09:55 PM

On 2006-07-10 17:15, Earthsunderer wrote:
Isn't the PS 2 more popular than the X-Box 360 in Japan? I mean, for SEGA, the japanese demographics are well more worth to consider than some foreign game console that only the westerners are mostly interested, and they did work on this game which was meant for the PS 2 since the beginning for years, before the X-Box 360 was even designed.

It's nice that SEGA does care however about the 'gajiin' machine and really thinks that there also is profit to make on it.

X-box is the worst curse word in japan

MAGNUShunter

Jul 10, 2006, 09:56 PM

On 2006-07-10 19:43, Saner wrote:

but remember PSU is made with the PS2's hardware in mind so there's really not much of a difference worthy of proving which system is better.

Well this is kinda my point.
But I dont have a problem with ps or sony. Like I said, I follow the game(s) and I just want whats best for the development of "PSO" since it has always been my favorite. Im a PSO fan, not a console fan.

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 09:58 PM

Saner http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif that was beautiful. I don't see why we have to complain about what systems it's going to come out on since knowing how PSO worked it'll pobobly see some incarnation on everything. Anyway I do feel its sad that the only good games for the xbox are shooters and RPG's made by bioware or bioware franchises.

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Earthsunderer

Jul 10, 2006, 10:01 PM

Well, obviously, western people will surely not influence SEGA's decision to release this game on PS 2, because they will for sure attain more sales with it than by just limiting themselves on the X-Box 360 and the PC-version, seeing as the japanese customerbase is more important to them and does value the Sony Playstation 2 more than anything that Microsoft could pull out.

Saner

Jul 10, 2006, 10:18 PM

if they make any decent money from Xbox360, it would be directly from Microsoft's wallet to keep Sega interested in releasing more games for it.

I'm just glad that they didn't release it for Gamecube. that system has the smallest online community to date.

and even top games have sold less on it than companies expect to make (which is why you won't see a new Mortal Kombat or Soul Calibur released for it ever again.)

it might be ported to the Wii though, which if they do in fact decide to do so, is a smarter choice than releasing it for Gamecube later.

as for PS3, I could care less for that system. PS3 looks like it will be the downfall of Sony. You don't need to be a PS3 fan to love PS2.

same brand name, totally different system and game libraries and prices.

Sony seems to be forgetting these consoles are for games.

Adding too many features to it is such a cheap and pathetic way to make more money.

They really overdone it this time.

Saner

Jul 10, 2006, 10:20 PM

On 2006-07-10 19:58, Foxix wrote:
Saner http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif that was beautiful. I don't see why we have to complain about what systems it's going to come out on since knowing how PSO worked it'll pobobly see some incarnation on everything. Anyway I do feel its sad that the only good games for the xbox are shooters and RPG's made by bioware or bioware franchises.

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-10 19:59 ]

aaaaah don't use that fowl symbol. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 10:24 PM

yeah http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif adding technology to a system just to have it expensive is rediculous and as everyone I have met who is buying a PS3 on launch dates are either fanboys or have some kind of sony fetish... or like to tell themselves it's a cheap blue ray player...since when is 600 bucks cheap? especially to even watch it in high def... which is the whole point. You can't even do that for the 500 dollar model. also no offence if you are buying a PS3 at launch.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif

hey its all in good fun, right? After all I am a http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif weasel thing.

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Carlo210

Jul 10, 2006, 10:28 PM

It's an enemy from the Secret of Mana series.
The white circle on their face is their mouth and the pink flaps at the top are ears, not hands. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Anywho...

Ikubi

Jul 10, 2006, 10:31 PM

On 2006-07-10 20:28, Carlo210 wrote:
It's an enemy from the Secret of Mana series.
The white circle on their face is their mouth and the pink flaps at the top are ears, not hands. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Anywho...

It's called a rabite. ;p

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 10:31 PM

ohh you did not read our dictionary fight did you? its... well some things were said.... I became a http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif and Saner a http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif its a long story >_>

Carlo210

Jul 10, 2006, 10:35 PM

Yes, the rabite. I played through Seiken Densetsu 3 recently and, by the end, the rabites are different colors and have different names, so I forgot. Top that over the fact that I didn't like the original Secret of Mana game.
SD3 was good though.

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Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 10:37 PM

wow... that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif was supposed to be a weasel by Saner standards... waaaaayyyy off

Sevenfold

Jul 10, 2006, 10:43 PM

Looks like Kirby.

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 10:49 PM

not really I have the kirby game for the NES and even 5 pixel kirby doesn't really look like it. Unless you compare them both to pillows.

Sevenfold

Jul 10, 2006, 10:51 PM

Ill rephrase. Looks like kirby...to me.

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 10:56 PM

NO IT DOESN'T http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif just kidding I guess I sorta see it but it just seems more like poring from Ragnarok Online to me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Authenticate

Jul 10, 2006, 11:02 PM

Dirty PS2 peasants. Frickin' peasants holding us noble PC and 360 users back. FUNK THE PEASANTS! Get a job and buy something better, you dirty peasants that are dirty with dirt. If your dirtyness makes it so they have to hold back with patches, I will make you asplode in a dirty 'splosion of dirt. And when you get done asploding, you will be like "Ow. I should have stopped being dirty and bought myself a nice PC." and I will be lik~ *gets covered in a rain of PS2s and dies*

The End.

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 11:08 PM

*reverser* but in the end everyone will just have to settle with the fact that we all our differences... and that fanboys should be put in a colliseum, set ablaze, and chased by rappys

DikkyRay

Jul 10, 2006, 11:09 PM

why do people care if you are playing on ps2 or xobox or pc? Just live with it, you can't control the lives of others.

Sevenfold

Jul 10, 2006, 11:17 PM

On 2006-07-10 21:09, DikkyRay wrote:
why do people care if you are playing on ps2 or xobox or pc? Just live with it, you can't control the lives of others.

*claps*

Oji_Retta

Jul 10, 2006, 11:18 PM

On 2006-07-10 21:02, Authenticate wrote:
Dirty PS2 peasants. Frickin' peasants holding us noble PC and 360 users back. FUNK THE PEASANTS! Get a job and buy something better, you dirty peasants that are dirty with dirt. If your dirtyness makes it so they have to hold back with patches, I will make you asplode in a dirty 'splosion of dirt. And when you get done asploding, you will be like "Ow. I should have stopped being dirty and bought myself a nice PC." and I will be lik~ *gets covered in a rain of PS2s and dies*

The End.

You're a peasant if you complain about a 600$ console that is superior (and yes it is-that is factual). >_>

Saner

Jul 10, 2006, 11:20 PM

On 2006-07-10 20:37, Foxix wrote:
wow... that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif was supposed to be a weasel by Saner standards... waaaaayyyy off

well there wasn't a weasel smiley or any smiley that looks like a weasel!

would you prefer this? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 11:22 PM

noooo! I don't wanna be a cow! I am happier being a rabbite... even if the cow is funnier http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif

Foxix

Jul 10, 2006, 11:30 PM

well if you start calling me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif then I guess I could get used to it, although I think I like http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif better. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif

Blade21

Jul 11, 2006, 01:06 AM

360 has a bigger base then many think.

360's were built with online community in mind, despite the stereotype that all xbox owners have are shooters.

True, Halo3 will be nice, but being able to play PSU on it with a nice community will be nice too.

I wish people weren't so anti-360.

Even if 360 version will be detached, im stilll gonna play it faithfully.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 11, 2006, 01:13 AM

On 2006-07-10 21:09, DikkyRay wrote:
why do people care if you are playing on ps2 or xobox or pc? Just live with it, you can't control the lives of others.

I'm not sure. But maybe the previous two pages have something to do with it.
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Sevenfold

Jul 11, 2006, 01:13 AM

Well I dont really recall so many on these boards being anti-360...but...What I and a few others have been saying is that we would rather play on servers that will have the largest community period. Not saying 360 doesnt have a community, its just known fact that PS2 and PC have a much larger online community.

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 01:16 AM

I will play the 360 version faithfully to if it's seperated. It woud be extremely unfortunate (splitting a community that has been waiting for this game together) and giving one side a hardy community (ps2/pc) and leaving the Xbox 360 gamers in their corner. Not that there won't be enough 360 gamers on psu, but it's the long run I'm worried about. Look what has happened to PSO on the Xbox.

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MAGNUShunter

Jul 11, 2006, 01:19 AM

On 2006-07-10 21:02, Authenticate wrote:
Dirty PS2 peasants. Frickin' peasants holding us noble PC and 360 users back. FUNK THE PEASANTS! Get a job and buy something better, you dirty peasants that are dirty with dirt. If your dirtyness makes it so they have to hold back with patches, I will make you asplode in a dirty 'splosion of dirt. And when you get done asploding, you will be like "Ow. I should have stopped being dirty and bought myself a nice PC." and I will be lik~ *gets covered in a rain of PS2s and dies*

The End.

Roger Ebert found your commentary very insightful and informative.
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*two thumbs*

HAYABUSA-FMW-

Jul 11, 2006, 05:22 AM

Back in an old interview with Yuji Naka EGM asked about that.

Releasing a MMO(OR the Sega hybrid stripped version of it)/Online RPG wouldn't be soo feasible for a brand new console.

However, having everything linked would be a better idea for the consumers, people who are going to buy the game, than the currently non linked platforms.

tank1

Jul 11, 2006, 08:11 AM

Well im lost i think this thread was about consoles or somthing but im just gonna sit in a drak corner and nod & grin. *grins*

Nisshoku

Jul 11, 2006, 08:49 AM

Dude, I tought the PS2 and PC versions are gonna be linked.

mitchm

Jul 11, 2006, 10:14 AM

all i know is that i will be playing it on the 360... so ill see you guys online (if i decide to pay extra...)

EnixBelmont

Jul 11, 2006, 10:25 AM

...It makes more sense to release it on PS2 than anything. They want to make as much money as possible, and the PS2 has the most people. Plus they get even more money for the monthly fee.

One HUGE reason not to get the 360 version: It is supposed to come out Q2 2007. from what I hear ;_: Screw that, I'd much rather just get the PC or PS2 version.

Fleece

Jul 11, 2006, 10:46 AM

On 2006-07-10 21:09, DikkyRay wrote:
Just live with it, you can't control the lives of others.

I heard that Sony Can.

I mean they're making people buy the PS3.

God bless the stupid and ignorant people who fall for marketing.

No Offense

ShinMaruku

Jul 11, 2006, 11:17 AM

I love the PS3 hate. Sony should fuckin hide that $600 one market the $500 one and then laugh when the mob mentality sets in.(We should thank Microsoft for the 2 SKU thing, may wild animals attack those coonts)
The thing is worth the money for sure.

The Playstation 3 is a gaming console(or computer system) that utilizes a Cell processor with 7 operational SPEs with access to 256MB of XDR RAM, an RSX graphics chip with 256MBs of GDDR3 RAM and access to the Cellâ€™s main memory, a blu-ray drive for gaming and movie playback, and a 2.5â€ hard disc drive. Other components of the system are Bluetooth support used for wireless motion-sensing controllers, 4 USB ports, and a gigabit Ethernet port. On the more expensive version of the Playstation 3 there is also a Sony Memory Stick reader, Compact Flash reader, SD card reader, WiFi support(basically an extra network interface which is wireless), and an HDMI output. Them components cost money worht the price damn well.
As for the price bitching really find somthing else that crap is getting old. All I hear is "bitch,bitch bitch"
All the big dogs ares till supporting it so the goods gonna be there.
Then again TGS is preported to have a rescaled price, who knows, bit if it's price ya got rpoblems with move along then.

Jul 11, 2006, 11:47 AM

I'm buying a whole console just for PSU. Having it on the PS3 is dumb. $600 price tag. XBox 360? Not much better. What is it, $450?

I'm a very anti-Sony fanboy, but if playing PSU is gonna cost me $200, rather than $650 (EDIT: Canadian price must be near $800), I'm gonna go with the PS2, thank you very much.

No video game console is worth what the XBox 360 costs, let alone the PS3's rediculous price.

EDIT: I'm not saying PSU shouldn't go to the 360, I mean, cause it already is. I just mean, NOT PS3 over PS2.

Even another edit: I think it's hilarious when people give specs for video game consoles. "7 operational SPEs with access to 256MB of XDR RAM" You know what that says to me? "Wow, this thing is gonna cost me $600+" You play video games to play video games, not to be a computer. I don't care what it's doing. It looks nicer, it may go a bit faster, but not at a $600 price tag.

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Fleece

Jul 11, 2006, 12:02 PM

PJ I KNOW your PC can run PSU just buy a graphics card for christs sake and if its pad issues just buy a 360 wired pad as well. It'll still cost less than a PS2, PSU, memory card and a USB Keyboard.

[ This Message was edited by: Fleece on 2006-07-11 10:03 ]

vox3om

Jul 11, 2006, 12:07 PM

Well I completely agree with MAGNUShunter. PS2 is older technology. Not saying that it should be completely dropped, but realistically I think ST should have just held it off till PS3, there is much more potential with the PC, 360, and PS3.

Obviously there is a bigger player base for PS2, but there won't be ANY player base once the PS3 comes out!

Jul 11, 2006, 12:16 PM

On 2006-07-11 10:02, Fleece wrote:
PJ I KNOW your PC can run PSU just buy a graphics card for christs sake and if its pad issues just buy a 360 wired pad as well. It'll still cost less than a PS2, PSU, memory card and a USB Keyboard.

I know, but I figure I might aswell complain http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Earthsunderer

Jul 11, 2006, 12:24 PM

On 2006-07-11 10:07, vox3om wrote:
Well I completely agree with MAGNUShunter. PS2 is older technology. Not saying that it should be completely dropped, but realistically I think ST should have just held it off till PS3, there is much more potential with the PC, 360, and PS3.

Obviously there is a bigger player base for PS2, but there won't be ANY player base once the PS3 comes out!

Why do you think so? If most PS 2 games can stil be played on the PS 3, why would this mean a decline from the Playstation versions of Phantasy Star Universe?

Besides, isn't it obvious that not everybody will have the Playstation 3 immeadiatly? The price and the few avaiable consoles of the PS 3 at launch already will limit itself. No way could the PS 3 reach as many customers as the PS 2 has for now in only a few weeks or months.

Unless Sony decides to lower the prices even more than they did according to themselves.

Garroway

Jul 11, 2006, 12:43 PM

I think people hate the 360 because it's fashionable to hate microsoft.

It's really been a difficult decision whether to play on ps2 or on xbox 360. I know the ps2/pc will have the larger player base but (though skeptical at first) I have been very pleased with the 360 thus far. I'm less than excited about the PS3 and I've always been a consol gamer over computer gamer. I'll probably end up on the 360 but that's no reason to want the PS2 gone. If it became an issue they don't actualy have to release some content for the PS2. It would just as if some people had an expansion and some didn't, no big deal except for the PS2 users feeling left out. By the time they exceed the PS2 capabilities it might be a mute point anyways...

<on a side note> With the Xbox 360 controler functioning as a sort of remote control for the consol, I find myself losing my controler as if it were a remote. Any one else have this problem?

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 01:09 PM

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Not me. I use my mini remote when watching dvds and stuff.

Tystys

Jul 11, 2006, 01:18 PM

On 2006-07-10 23:19, MAGNUShunter wrote:

On 2006-07-10 21:02, Authenticate wrote:
Dirty PS2 peasants. Frickin' peasants holding us noble PC and 360 users back. FUNK THE PEASANTS! Get a job and buy something better, you dirty peasants that are dirty with dirt. If your dirtyness makes it so they have to hold back with patches, I will make you asplode in a dirty 'splosion of dirt. And when you get done asploding, you will be like "Ow. I should have stopped being dirty and bought myself a nice PC." and I will be lik~ *gets covered in a rain of PS2s and dies*

The End.

Roger Ebert found your commentary very insightful and informative.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3003/ebert7yf.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ebert7yf.jpg)
*two thumbs*

I like how you only value people's opinions who are similar to your own. Besides, he was being sarcastic, so don't get your hopes up, XD. But the PS2 will not die just because you want it too, you friggin fan boy.

zandra117

Jul 11, 2006, 01:48 PM

On 2006-07-10 17:15, Earthsunderer wrote:
Isn't the PS 2 more popular than the X-Box 360 in Japan?

PS2 is more popular wherever you go, Its because its such an old system. People really just need to let it die. Its almost as old as the dreamcast.

Plus PS2 barely has an online community. The online community on ps2 is only made up of people that play socom, sports games, MGS3, and ffxi. Everyone else plays offline on PS2. The online PC community is huge. The online xbox360 community is huge, every other game on 360 has online play and the system is ready for online right out of the box. Plus the xbox360 online community is more organised than ps2 and pc with xbox live community features.

[ This Message was edited by: zandra117 on 2006-07-11 12:02 ]

Fleece

Jul 11, 2006, 01:54 PM

LOL http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif^^

PS2's are ten a penny and when ps3 comes out theyll be gettin sold for around 30 pounds liek the psx did.

AND LMAO Emmerdale is on.

Earthsunderer

Jul 11, 2006, 01:54 PM

But let it die and then chose what alternative? Surely not the not-even existing Playstation 3, which will come out in some near future, or the X-Box 360, which is still very pricey and has not all the games that are avaiable on Playstation 2. And that's only considering us westerners.

The japanese don't even want to bother themselves with the machine made by Microsoft, so they would never let it go, as long as there's no better alternative.

zandra117

Jul 11, 2006, 02:06 PM

On 2006-07-11 11:54, Earthsunderer wrote:
But let it die and then chose what alternative? Surely not the not-even existing Playstation 3, which will come out in some near future, or the X-Box 360, which is still very pricey and has not all the games that are avaiable on Playstation 2. And that's only considering us westerners.

The japanese don't even want to bother themselves with the machine made by Microsoft, so they would never let it go, as long as there's no better alternative.

Would you buy an N64 over a PS2 just because its cheaper?

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 02:12 PM

Zandra, you're missing some of the points. The PS2 has variety due to its time in the industry. Xbox 360, due to microsoft's short amount of time in the industry, is now starting to build up the variety PS2 did at the beginning of the last-gen. The PS2 appeals to certain gamers for very good reasons, online or offline.

Earthsunderer

Jul 11, 2006, 02:19 PM

I do not understand your comparison.

The Playstation 2 had the ability to play almost all Playstation 1-games, didn't it?
The N64 seems to be comparable to the Playstation 1 for me.

Unfortunately, the N64 didn't have that much variety to games, compared to the Playstation 1 or the Playstation 2, and its games couldn't be played on the Gamecube, to my knowledge. Also, there weren't that much good games to begin with.

The most modern consoles were before the arrival of the X-Box 360 were those three: the Nintendo Gamecube, the Sony Playstation 2 and the Microsoft X-Box.

Now, the modern next-generation consoles will be the Microsoft X-Box 360, and the two non-existing machines that are scheduled to come in near future, the Sony Playstation 3, and the Nintendo Wii.

Seeing as X-Box 360 is the upgraded and improved version of the X-Box, but is still quite expensive, and the Playstation 3 will be the successor of the Playstation 2, which will be even more expensive, what good alternative is there to chose for the common japanese customer?

Of course, I myself do have problems to understand the meaning of your question in relation to my posting you quoted, zandra117.

I do hope that I have somehow grasped what your intentions were.

I sincerely apologize, as english is not my native language.

turtle323

Jul 11, 2006, 02:57 PM

Wow u guys have you seen the polls what systems people are going to play ON, XBOX360 always last beacuse it sucks i have both ps2 and xbox360, the xbox360 was a waste of my money first of all u have to pay to play online, second its 400$ for the freaking thing, 3rd theres so many little kids with head sets on it, 4th the games suck, 5th it is not going to be linked with pc and ps2. Also who ever said the wii is the same as the ps3 shush no where close to it, the games that are going to be on ps3 beats wiiby them selfs, and i am not even going to go in the system specs of ps3 compared to wii.

And yes i am geting 3 psu for both my ps2 and 1 for my pc and i am going to get the 600$ ps3 when it comes out. To play psu on it also.

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 03:25 PM

On 2006-07-11 12:57, turtle323 wrote:
Wow u guys have you seen the polls what systems people are going to play ON, XBOX360 always last beacuse it sucks i have both ps2 and xbox360, the xbox360 was a waste of my money first of all u have to pay to play online, second its 400$ for the freaking thing, 3rd theres so many little kids with head sets on it, 4th the games suck, 5th it is not going to be linked with pc and ps2. Also who ever said the wii is the same as the ps3 shush no where close to it, the games that are going to be on ps3 beats wiiby them selfs, and i am not even going to go in the system specs of ps3 compared to wii.

And yes i am geting 3 psu for both my ps2 and 1 for my pc and i am going to get the 600$ ps3 when it comes out. To play psu on it also.

Not our fault you bought a console that wasn't your kind of console. If you give me a Gamecube, I'm probably not going to like it either. Stop thinking your opinion is universal fact. I don't like gaming on pc's for some sorts of games, but you don't see me saying that pc gaming sucks.
Also, I like my 360. There aren't much games out right now that I am personally interested in, but there are some coming out later on that I will have to get. I am not a fanboy, I can admit to some of the negatives that I personally see. If you are all positive about a console/the pc-platform, then there's something you are trying not to awknowledge.
Now, grow up.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 11, 2006, 05:46 PM

On 2006-07-11 11:18, Tystys wrote:

On 2006-07-10 23:19, MAGNUShunter wrote:

On 2006-07-10 21:02, Authenticate wrote:
Dirty PS2 peasants. Frickin' peasants holding us noble PC and 360 users back. FUNK THE PEASANTS! Get a job and buy something better, you dirty peasants that are dirty with dirt. If your dirtyness makes it so they have to hold back with patches, I will make you asplode in a dirty 'splosion of dirt. And when you get done asploding, you will be like "Ow. I should have stopped being dirty and bought myself a nice PC." and I will be lik~ *gets covered in a rain of PS2s and dies*

The End.

Roger Ebert found your commentary very insightful and informative.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3003/ebert7yf.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ebert7yf.jpg)
*two thumbs*

I like how you only value people's opinions who are similar to your own. Besides, he was being sarcastic, so don't get your hopes up, XD. But the PS2 will not die just because you want it too, you friggin fan boy.

Did you think that I WASN'T being sarcastic about Ebert? Please dont tell me that you REAlLY thought Roger Ebert HIMSELF commented or even CARES about this thread! LOL. It's very strange to me that you were only able to see Authenticate's sarcasmic humor, and not my own.
It's also strange that you didnt notice that the majority of posts in this thread have been made by people who favor the ps2, and we have all been pretty much respectful to everyone elses opinons and views.
The majority clearly favor ps2, while I do not. Does the fact that they-the majority-agree with each other (and clearly value each OTHERS opinons) somehow make their points of view invalid to you also? Are you applying the same logic to yourself that you are to me?
Or is logic and fairness to much to ask from you (after all, to be fair, I dont know your age.)

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-11 15:48 ]

Sev

Jul 11, 2006, 05:48 PM

On 2006-07-11 12:06, zandra117 wrote:
Would you buy an N64 over a PS2 just because its cheaper?

... Lol...

That statement is just... Lol...

MAGNUShunter

Jul 11, 2006, 05:53 PM

On 2006-07-11 12:12, Carlo210 wrote:
Zandra, you're missing some of the points. The PS2 has variety due to its time in the industry. Xbox 360, due to microsoft's short amount of time in the industry, is now starting to build up the variety PS2 did at the beginning of the last-gen. The PS2 appeals to certain gamers for very good reasons, online or offline.

...follow the games, not the consoles. If you are a fan of the game, look at what will be best for the game in the LONG RUN.
My opinion anyway.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 15:58 ]

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 06:22 PM

Sega won't hold back making money because they won't make the most money possible. If they have to skimp on ps2, they will if it means they'll still make profit. If PS2 becomes an obstacle in development for expansions, then Sega won't just let the game die down. They'll do what they did for PSO, but leave PS2 with either miniature expansion packs or seperate ps2 addons.

kazuma56

Jul 11, 2006, 06:48 PM

The PS3 price bitching will never end will it? I think that if you set your priorities right, you COULD afford a PS3 provided you don't live on a "day to day basis".

Heck i work part-time and make about 150-200+ a week and i USED to spend about 100 dollars just going out with friends,bars and all that stuff, I know limited it to only the weekends and spend a maximum of only $50 and have calulated that I will have about 300-400 over the price the PS3 is supposed to be.

As for system, I could careless, just remeber that sega MAIN userbase is, and will always be the japanese, and since the 360 isn't looking so good down there either, don't expect them to not even bother continuing support on the 360 version if sales for the game end up as bad as PSOX was.

Saiffy

Jul 11, 2006, 07:03 PM

It's not that it's so incredibly expensive that you can't buy it, it's that $600 is a lot of money, and I wouldn't want to pay that much for a console, ever. You can buy a decent computer for $600, that can do way more than a PS3 ever will(omgooses blu ray i guna have orgasm amirite)

You COULD afford a $600 bag of shit, so you should buy it, eh?

edit: If I was gonna pay $600 for a console, I'd want it to be able to scratch my ass with a laser beam.

[ This Message was edited by: Saiffy on 2006-07-11 17:07 ]

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 07:17 PM

Kazuma, that is true, but that doesn't mean it has to be accepted. It's part principle. Just because we have the cash doesn't mean we can 'afford' it or afford to pay for what only do things minisculely better than the other nextgen consoles. Like MS and Nintendo mentioned, why buy a ps3 when you can get a 360 and a Wii for a similar price? The PS3, if anything exraordinarily superior, it a more capable Xbox 360 in terms of data calculations and disc space. With that said, nothing will push developers to develop 30 gigs of game content unless it means twice the profit from the game than it would get if it were a 9.5 gig game.
To me, the japanese gamers aren't important to me (I cna't play with them, so I don't base my online gaming decisions on what has the most japanese players or 'whats most popular in japan'), I care about the japanese developers. Sony has more Japanese support of course, but I don't care for most of the japanese games on the ps2. I care for some of them, such as the ff games and so forth, but many of them are rpg's that I would't care to play (most of the ones i've played on the ps2 that are from smaller japanese developers are really dry). I love japanese rpgs, but the ps2 platform doesn't really have any that im interested in.

Anyways, ST caused their own problem with the PSOX failure. Sure, PSOX didn't have an many starting users, but forgetting about them because of this isn't a good reason. You cant get more users if you dont make their 10 bucks a month worthwhile. Also, they should accept the fact that they'll get less users on an american platform. With that said, it's not a puny amount. PSOX was pretty popular up until the hacking wave (this happened to all versions of the game). PSOX may not have been the talk of the town, but people kept paying their 10 a month for a miniscule amount of updates or anything. It had great potention, but ST blew it.
Also, since PSOX had the smallest community of the 4, that should've been further reason to link them to the rest of the psu platforms, but no. That could/would've helped them in terms of gaining a larger userbase, but they didn't want to 'risk' anything.

This is another reason why PSU360 should be linked - profit for ST.

Nedeti

Jul 11, 2006, 07:25 PM

Xbox and Game Cube fans boys/gualz, have to realize that they have lost the war. Playstation 2 came out on top http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Also a little bit of life for the ps2 was enough for it to make more sales then the xbox 360 even after its release http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Long live the PS2 and god please kill those Xbox live kids who can't shut up.

Thank you

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 07:29 PM

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 07:31 PM

On 2006-07-11 17:25, Nedeti wrote:
Xbox and Game Cube fans boys/gualz, have to realize that they have lost the war. Playstation 2 came out on top http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Also a little bit of life for the ps2 was enough for it to make more sales then the xbox 360 even after its release http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Long live the PS2 and god please kill those Xbox live kids who can't shut up.

Thank you

Hmm. It seems there's no benefit for the victory to people who DON'T LIKE THE PS2 TITLES. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Don't act as if I care about how well ps2 did. It's like telling me mgs3 is #1 in sales.
Whoop dee doo... I don't like the game...

DikkyRay

Jul 11, 2006, 07:42 PM

On 2006-07-11 17:25, Nedeti wrote:
Xbox and Game Cube fans boys/gualz, have to realize that they have lost the war. Playstation 2 came out on top http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Also a little bit of life for the ps2 was enough for it to make more sales then the xbox 360 even after its release http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Long live the PS2 and god please kill those Xbox live kids who can't shut up.

Thank you

hmm thats why SSBM and Halo sold more than any ANY Ps2 titles

MAGNUShunter

Jul 11, 2006, 07:46 PM

On 2006-07-11 17:42, DikkyRay wrote:

On 2006-07-11 17:25, Nedeti wrote:
Xbox and Game Cube fans boys/gualz, have to realize that they have lost the war. Playstation 2 came out on top http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Also a little bit of life for the ps2 was enough for it to make more sales then the xbox 360 even after its release http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Long live the PS2 and god please kill those Xbox live kids who can't shut up.

Thank you

hmm thats why SSBM and Halo sold more than any ANY Ps2 titles

I think it's time for the "Post your GAMERTAG" thresd. *tee hee*

And I think they should have named it "www.ps2-world.com"

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-11 17:50 ]

Foxix

Jul 11, 2006, 07:55 PM

Being a fanboy is utterly pointless if you fall into this category you lose 2/3 of the good games that come out. The reason I won't be buying a PS3 isn't because I can't afford one its that its not worth my money. I own 6 home consoles and 3 handhelds and I can honestly say that I love all of them equally except maybe the PSP which has SO much potential that just hasn't been realized yet.

The PS2 may have won the last gen but thats because of its variety... and most of the games I own for that are RPG's most of which are not the very bad, very common, repetitive story type. I would be more than happy to ofer a list of JRPG recommendations.

And I would like to do an analogy if I may...

PS2= Dark Falz
this system... has no body, even if you took all the PS2's away this thing is friggin' consiousnous...its seeking a new body. That body being the PS3

Xbox= Rico. a brave very capable fighter whom is looked up to by millions and is just having trouble finding its self while its practically being pwned by sony. Although now that its found itself and is growing and flying free who knows what will happen.

GC= kireek? (I don't know i couldn't really think of one) but it's definetly there and it seriously kicks some butt if you have the right games, the thing is built for war(you ever see someone actually even damage a nintendo product? Mind of mencia? that N64 took like 3 hammer blows and it only broke the plastic)... if only he had a better weapon/games... like Ikaruga & tales of symphonia.

oh and as for my gamertag... Firclad. Halo 2 anyone?

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-11 17:56 ]

Fleece

Jul 11, 2006, 08:00 PM

On 2006-07-11 15:48, Sev wrote:

On 2006-07-11 12:06, zandra117 wrote:
Would you buy an N64 over a PS2 just because its cheaper?

... Lol...

That statement is just... Lol...

I traded my PS2 in for an n64 3 years ago, i got 4 pads 8 games a scart lead and 2 memory cards out of it. I dunno where the n64 is now Lol. It was a fucking good trade.

Earthsunderer

Jul 11, 2006, 08:01 PM

I find this quite strange. Why calling out to drop the Playstation 2 at the westerners?

It's not like we will be the most influencial factor regarding games made by japanese game developers and on which system they will produce their next games. As long as the main japanese customer base prefers to play on the Playstation 2, games will be made on the Playstation 2 from japanese game developers.

Tystys

Jul 11, 2006, 08:07 PM

On 2006-07-11 17:55, Foxix wrote:
Being a fanboy is utterly pointless if you fall into this category you lose 2/3 of the good games that come out. The reason I won't be buying a PS3 isn't because I can't afford one its that its not worth my money. I own 6 home consoles and 3 handhelds and I can honestly say that I love all of them equally except maybe the PSP which has SO much potential that just hasn't been realized yet.

The PS2 may have won the last gen but thats because of its variety... and most of the games I own for that are RPG's most of which are not the very bad, very common, repetitive story type. I would be more than happy to ofer a list of JRPG recommendations.

And I would like to do an analogy if I may...

PS2= Dark Falz
this system... has no body, even if you took all the PS2's away this thing is friggin' consiousnous...its seeking a new body. That body being the PS3

Xbox= Rico. a brave very capable fighter whom is looked up to by millions and is just having trouble finding its self while its practically being pwned by sony. Although now that its found itself and is growing and flying free who knows what will happen.

GC= kireek? (I don't know i couldn't really think of one) but it's definetly there and it seriously kicks some butt if you have the right games, the thing is built for war(you ever see someone actually even damage a nintendo product? Mind of mencia? that N64 took like 3 hammer blows and it only broke the plastic)... if only he had a better weapon/games... like Ikaruga & tales of symphonia.

oh and as for my gamertag... Firclad. Halo 2 anyone?

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-11 17:56 ]

Encore! Encore! Very well put my freind. I am also one of those people who love ALL of my consoles equally. I'm one of those gamers who likes to venture on almost all sides of the spectrum. Hell, some of my favorite games are rhythm games, O_O. I agree with you whole-heartedly when you say...

"Being a fanboy is utterly pointless if you fall into this category you lose 2/3 of the good games that come out."

The-King

Jul 11, 2006, 08:09 PM

Well thats not FAIR because ps fuggin' 3 is gonna be 700 fuggin' dollars and some people can;t afford that, Ps2, ST and Sega all have their stuff figured out, don't dis the PS2 or it shall diss you harder than any person has been dissed before. if you agree say AMEN BROTHER!

Foxix

Jul 11, 2006, 08:13 PM

Yay! thats the first time someone has actually quoted me ^_^ I feel loved thank you!

if you like rhythm games try out Oendan for the DS (import title sadly) or the heavily americanized version called Elite Beat Brothers. or you may also like Gitaroo Man for the ps2 it's a kind of musical combat game... I hear they are remaking it since there is also a PSP version coming out soon called Gitaroo Man lives! yeah I know a little off topic but I thought I would share the wealth of game knoweledge thats just marinating in my brain.

I'm gonna go add that quote to my sig now actually...

oh and also king its 500 and 600 in the U.S. posibly more if your not from here http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-11 18:14 ]

Nisshoku

Jul 11, 2006, 08:17 PM

So far, the only -known- connectivity between the three games is PS2 and PC. There's still no word on whether or not the XBox360 will be like that as well.

kazuma56

Jul 11, 2006, 09:55 PM

On 2006-07-11 17:03, Saiffy wrote:
It's not that it's so incredibly expensive that you can't buy it, it's that $600 is a lot of money, and I wouldn't want to pay that much for a console, ever. You can buy a decent computer for $600, that can do way more than a PS3 ever will(omgooses blu ray i guna have orgasm amirite)

You COULD afford a $600 bag of shit, so you should buy it, eh?

edit: If I was gonna pay $600 for a console, I'd want it to be able to scratch my ass with a laser beam.

[ This Message was edited by: Saiffy on 2006-07-11 17:07 ]

Although a previous poster did answer this, unless you already spent money and are only "upgrading" your PC it will cost the average person more then a grand to get a PC that could run games on par and above the PS3.

The average person wouldn't know anything about building a PC nor would they care how to, they would go look at an alienware PC, see all the "specs" and say, "i'm sold", only to find out that the PC isn't overclockable (if said person actually starts looking into building their own PC), and you'll probably have to buy a new MOBO and different components just to run it as a "gaming" PC capable producing "next gen" graphics and run them at speeds most likely above the consoles (dual core+ 2 PCI-E cards means more cooling and money but better perforance down the road).

So can 600 dollars get you a PC better then a PS3? the short answer is no, unless you know how to assemble your PC by yourself you're looking at over 600 dollars or more in upgrades if you bought a non celeron or sempron (although semps aren't too crappy like celeys are) just to run games at more then 30 FPS.

Don't take offense to this, I just don't see how people can complain about the PS3 price yet turn around and say a PC is the better deal, sure it DOES have more features then the PS3, but unless you're not using it for a "good" PC gaming experience you're easily looking at more then 600 dollars if you want to "outperform" the next gen consoles (bar Wii).

hmm thats why SSBM and Halo sold more than any ANY Ps2 titles

I don't know if i'd be proud of that or not, I own a GC and I DIDN'T buy SSBM, and I got Halo on my PC and it's not even as good as Farcry/HL2 or other PC FPS titles.

I AM buying a "PSwii" as I did with this generation (PS2 and GC), the reason I don't buy Microsofts consoles is because many of their good american games ALWAYS (for the most part anyway) land on the PC and since PC is "moddable" I can get a ton more out of it and it sells for less then the xbox/360 counterparts as well.

[ This Message was edited by: kazuma56 on 2006-07-11 20:03 ]

Saiffy

Jul 11, 2006, 10:17 PM

I said decent not better, looks like someone can't read. Go back to grade 1, then we'll talk.

And way to assume everyone is too retarded to build their own PC, A+ there.

[ This Message was edited by: Saiffy on 2006-07-11 20:19 ]

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 10:37 PM

Get a grip. Geez'

Jul 11, 2006, 10:42 PM

On 2006-07-11 19:55, kazuma56 wrote:
Although a previous poster did answer this, unless you already spent money and are only "upgrading" your PC it will cost the average person more then a grand to get a PC that could run games on par and above the PS3.

You've got the internet? You've got a computer :]

And I'm gonna assume people with a computer are generally more spoiled than I am/have a job. They've probably already got a good enough computer.

hmm thats why SSBM and Halo sold more than any ANY Ps2 titles

I don't know if i'd be proud of that or not, I own a GC and I DIDN'T buy SSBM, and I got Halo on my PC and it's not even as good as Farcry/HL2 or other PC FPS titles.

Look, let's pretend we cared for your opinion.

We still don't. A LOT of people like SSBM, and a crapload of people like Halo2 more than the, "Better" Farcry/HL2 (Whatever the crap those are, seriously, I have no idea). So one man's opnion versus a majority doesn't work.

Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 10:54 PM

Farcry, Half Life 2. Never heard of them, really? I've never played them due to the fact they don't intice me, but they are some of the most popular fps games out.
Anywho, I'm gonna play on Xbox360. Upgrading my pc will cost too much. End of story. Heck, why can't consoles just be a friggin preference?

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-11 20:58 ]

kazuma56

Jul 11, 2006, 11:18 PM

On 2006-07-11 20:17, Saiffy wrote:
I said decent not better, looks like someone can't read. Go back to grade 1, then we'll talk.

And way to assume everyone is too retarded to build their own PC, A+ there.

[ This Message was edited by: Saiffy on 2006-07-11 20:19 ]

funny, I don't recall saying everyone is to retarded to build their own PC, I just said that you're everyday person isn't going to want to invest the time to know how to build one... I didn't say "The average person is too stupid to understand how to build one hence go for prebuilt PC's" I was saying "the average person is not going to want to invest the time to know how to build a PC"

As for decent, that could mean anything, heck i'm running most of my PC games at under 30fps and I consider it "decent", does that apply to what your standard of "decent" is?

Look, let's pretend we cared for your opinion.
We still don't. A LOT of people like SSBM, and a crapload of people like Halo2 more than the, "Better" Farcry/HL2 (Whatever the crap those are, seriously, I have no idea).

I didn't ask you to care what my opinion was, I'm just saying that as a person who has actually played FPS on PC and played them on consoles, Halo is just mediocre compared to the PC FPS's on the market.

So one man's opinion versus a majority doesn't work.

Some one better revive Galileo or Nicolaus Copernicus because appearantly their theories are FALSE and the earth is the centre of our universe... or better yet, its a FACT that the earth is flat because these two opinions were accepted by a majority at the time...my point is, just because a majority of people say something is right, doesn't mean it is.

So if I said that the only reason those two consoles had a userbase was because of those two games I could be right? statisically if the numbers prove that a vast majority of people who own(ed) an xbox and GC also owned those titles would that technically mean my above statement was true?

Saif and PJ, I don't know you and probably never will, but I don't want to lose potential internet friends over some stupid argument of opinions (more or less) so post again to debunk me if you wish but I will not further take this thread of its "original" point, hate me if you wish but don't expect me to be bitter towards you if we happen to meet up in PSO:BB/PSU.

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Carlo210

Jul 11, 2006, 11:30 PM

An pinion is an opinion. Halo 2 offers action gameplay that is, at many point in online play, frantic and, it its own right, fun. That is partially the opinion of those who love Halo 2. Power to them. I, for one, don't like Halo2 all that much. No one is 'right' or 'wrong'. The only time an opinion becomes fact is if we all become a collective and our brains are all the same.
I'm not a part of some secret collective,am I? I didn't think so. Therefore, I like super smash brother 1 better than ssbmelee. Sure, it may be because of nostalgia, but the gameplay and characters have a looser feel to them. I also wouldn't pay 80 bucks for a halo game unless it turned out to be something I actually like.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 12:59 AM

Wife loves Halo2. Im partial to GRAW2. I do like both though. (Yeah, both on 360)

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 01:10 AM

yeah I played HL2 for the xbox and I really didn't find it all that fun really in fact I though it was kinda boring... but nowhere near the level of boring that indigo prophecy will bring... sweet carp that game was worse than nyquil(spelling?) but I am waiting for 2007 to buy a 360 since in Q1 they will be releasing it with a smaller chipset that runs cooler. No worries about overheating ^_^ and as for halo, great friggen offline game but the community is terrible. no word on farcry yet, I have yet to really play it.

ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 07:02 AM

If anybody here is bithcing bought th PS3 price and is upgrading their PC for PSU, the hypocracy would be stifling, paying the same or even more!
Expensive is realitive too if one wants to pay $60 for a consle then call somthign $50-$150 more expensivce makes me laugh for all your sakes I hope this thing sells like hot cakes on the PS2 and sells like crap on the other two just to spite you. XD

Saiffy

Jul 12, 2006, 07:50 AM

Uh

Most people would just need to buy a better video card and perhaps more RAM, maybe $150 for an upgrade? Comparing $150 to $600?(Maybe if they buy a whole new PC, but thats not really upgrading, now is it?) Do you realise how stupid that is? Even a retarded person can tell which number is bigger. Don't worry, I'll give you some time to figure it out. Numbers are obviously very hard for you.

So, wow, good job.

And Kazuma, that post, and your analogy specifically was so dumb, I'm not gonna bother with you anymore. It's just way easier for me.

Jul 12, 2006, 08:07 AM

On 2006-07-11 21:18, kazuma56 wrote:
I don't know you and probably never will, but I don't want to lose potential internet friends over some stupid argument of opinions

Well, I didn't mean to sound so mean (Well, I guess I did, but it was to get a point across http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif), I just mean, people do like SSBM and Halo, and that's why they sold/sell well.

Don't worry about the bitterness of my posts, they've all been like that on PSOW lately http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 08:35 AM

Saiffy

Jul 12, 2006, 08:39 AM

You don't need a top of the line one, you realise? How many people even pay $600 for a new video card? You might as well build a new PC, and add on $400-500, if you're gonna go all the way.

My video card cost me $170(If that, I barely remember), and it'd be able to run PSU completely fine.

Maybe you got ripped off? Very badly? Or maybe video cards are just way way cheaper in Canada, cause I don't see this happening.

Then again, the PSU forum is the epitome of retardedness, so I shouldn't expect more.

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ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 08:46 AM

The point I was saying was that PC gamers spend $600 on a graphics card and then people never tell them they getting jipped. Lots of people pay $600 for that if they did not they would not be selling for that much. But when the PS3 is for $500 they like, "OH SHIT! JIP! FUCKIN SONY!" Must be fasionable to hate them. I'm nto gonna front the PS3 is pricy but for what I get a dman good deal
I don't invest in a card I build a new comp for $2,000 I want top of the line for I want to run losts of crap at once.

Ryudo

Jul 12, 2006, 08:48 AM

ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 08:52 AM

If you want some good stuff you need to drop $600 plus. and most people here who are graphics whores will go drop that good $600 for it then tell me $600 is too much.... hypocracy!

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tank1

Jul 12, 2006, 08:57 AM

Not entirely true if you go to computer fairs you can get PC parts for extremely low prices.

ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 09:02 AM

I OD on fairs like that and build my PC with $2,000 and end up with a equvialnt of a $3,000 machine

Garroway

Jul 12, 2006, 10:36 AM

After doing a little research it looks like Sony is expecting at least another 5 year life span on the PS2. I'm not sure how long PSU is expected to run but considering the rate games are being released I think 5 years is pretty ambitous.

-memoru-

Jul 12, 2006, 10:48 AM

Okai, now that i'm actually reading this forum, this topic is of "the PS2 is so lame and old, blah blah blah, and PSU should wait till PS3, because that would be better for it in the long run."

I personally don't see the problem with the PS2, yes its old, but it still does its job. PSU looks great on it to me. ST has planned to have years of content for it to keep it going, if so other "next gen" systems will be out at that time as well(depending on how many years they had planned ahead for it). So what's new now won't always be new. As for the graphics thing, really, i don't see the difference between the graphics of Xbox and GC and PS2, except for the fact that GC and Xbox seem to run smoother/seamlessly. Otherwise, the graphics are fine to me. i don't masturbate to my system, so i don't need "state of the art" boobs and asses.

The price tag of the PS3 is too hefty for a gaming console. >_> i mean what else is it doing but playing games(of which i have to pay for as well)? What parents(besides the rich and the doting) would spend $500 or $600 on their childs video game system? I COULD buy it, but i'm not going to. It's a game, not a house, or a car, or furniture. Now if you have money to throw around like that, more power to you. Its not complaining when people think its ridiculous for a gaming console to be priced that steeply, especially when some people can't afford it.

[oh yes, I found my old Account! ;D This is Ikubi. ;D]

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Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 12:22 PM

On 2006-07-12 05:50, Saiffy wrote:
Uh

Most people would just need to buy a better video card and perhaps more RAM, maybe $150 for an upgrade? Comparing $150 to $600?(Maybe if they buy a whole new PC, but thats not really upgrading, now is it?) Do you realise how stupid that is? Even a retarded person can tell which number is bigger. Don't worry, I'll give you some time to figure it out. Numbers are obviously very hard for you.

So, wow, good job.

And Kazuma, that post, and your analogy specifically was so dumb, I'm not gonna bother with you anymore. It's just way easier for me.

I'd like to know where you can get a new videocard and ram (assuming you mean at least 512-1gb) for 150 dollars.
A new videocard (basic 7800gt with 512mb) costs around 500 dollars canadian. A gig of ram (single stick) costs around 120-150 bucks canadian.
These numbers are from the last time I checked, around a week ago.

And if you are using a 140 dollar videocard, you can basically call the xbox 360 and ps3 better performers than your pc. What kind of videocard is it? Not to sound insulting, but is it something with 128-256 mb ram? Lemme guess, 128-bit too?

Bah. And those pc fairs can get you some good deals, but I personally don't want to find the time to go to one. I could get an xbox360 cheaper over ebay too.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-12 10:31 ]

TheGreyCliche

Jul 12, 2006, 01:36 PM

all ps2 arguments aside... "Long Live the FUTURE!"???

that's the most inane concept i've ever heard...

Aidan

Jul 12, 2006, 02:18 PM

im gettin PSU on 360 because i believe it is the best system to play psu on unless your rich and have a great pc with a game controler. my m8 had pso on the xbox . within the first 5 minutes i was hooked and i dont believe the PS2 is gona match anything to the 360 ( unless it comes out on ps3) http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

kazuma56

Jul 12, 2006, 02:19 PM

Actually, Saiffy does have a point in a way.

Lets say you are looking to play PSU at least on the PS2 graphics level or slightly better resolution (i'd probably cap it off at 800x600 for smooth frames or 1024x480 but probably suffer some dips at times), as a canadian resident I COULD buy these two items and run it.

Video card (granted you have a PCI-E slot)

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007594&cid=999.243

And ram

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=008898&cid=RAM.178

or this one

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1800229&Sku=B25-2004

in total, this would run you too around 300 bucks, but that is if you have a PCI-E card and have all your RAMs running the same speed as those two above otherwise you'll have to spend even more money just buying 1-3 more ram sticks that are all "compatible" which could easily run you into 400-500+ dollars.

Take heed that I said bare minimum, that graphics card is now in the "mid-range" area compared to whats on the market now, a card over 250+ at either of those sites I mentioned means you will be getting something around "high end" gaming that is capable of running PC games on par or at the level of the two next generation systems, or in this case, PSU on better resolutions over the PS2 version.

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Aidan

Jul 12, 2006, 02:19 PM

AvianKaitos

Jul 12, 2006, 04:18 PM

however PSO ep2 was created for Gamecube, but it still gets soupy during intense action like in Seabeds.

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tank1

Jul 12, 2006, 04:20 PM

In the end ST is going to go where they can line there pockets with the most gold. Also im sure theyve taken the specs of the PS2 into consideration before making the game i mean the last thing they want is for people to leave becasue the game is unplayable on PS2.

mechatra

Jul 12, 2006, 04:25 PM

^
Exactly.

Wasn't the game originally designed for the Ps2?

tank1

Jul 12, 2006, 04:26 PM

Apparently yes it was so that basically renders the whole specs argument obsolete just like that.

Sevenfold

Jul 12, 2006, 04:29 PM

Honestly, you have to account for the fact that PSU's graphics are good, but not GREAT. Not in comparison to F.E.A.R, EQII, Doom, Prey, etc etc. Not to knock PSU, not at all, but there really isnt too much power pushing to be done for the game on the PC.

The specs for PSU on PC are pretty much the industry "standard" at the moment. The PS2, while its old, should have no problem playing the game, considering, it literally cant run the same level of graphics as the PC or 360. But Im sure ST has thrown that into consideration as tank1 said.

tank1

Jul 12, 2006, 04:33 PM

Yeah though the graphics are good there certainly not HL2 so i have every faith in my PS2 using comrades to keep up with my PC as we play PSU.

mechatra

Jul 12, 2006, 04:36 PM

To be honest the only thing I can see teh Ps2 missing out on really is resolution, which may make the HUD feel alittle cluttered.

Ah well, I'm still going Ps2.
Hi-Five for equality people!!!

*holds up hand*

tank1

Jul 12, 2006, 04:37 PM

*High fives with great justice!*

turtle323

Jul 12, 2006, 04:52 PM

Yeah though the graphics are good there certainly not HL2 so i have every faith in my PS2 using comrades to keep up with my PC as we play PSU.

ya and its not like ps3 cant run ps2 games
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PS2 ROCK ON

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 06:16 PM

Ok. grab you popcorn....

The point of this post is that everyone is touting the ps2, even though it is behind in specs. They are forgeting that they are fans of PSU and not PS2. We are here because PSO/PSU brought us here. That is the common-ground for all of us here; so, lets take our minds off of the hardware of the past, not because we are fans of any one type platform, but because we are fans of PSU, and our love for this beautiful game should cause us to want the developers to be able to put apply the fullest extent of thier skills and ingenuity to PSU.

On 2006-07-11 15:53, MAGNUShunter wrote:
...follow the games, not the consoles. If you are a fan of the game, look at what will be best for the game in the LONG RUN.

Wasn't the game originally designed for the Ps2?

Again, read above.

On 2006-07-12 14:18, AvianKaitos wrote:

however PSO ep2 was created for Gamecube, but it still gets soupy during intense action like in Seabeds.

On 2006-07-12 14:36, mechatra wrote:
To be honest the only thing I can see teh Ps2 missing out on really is resolution, which may make the HUD feel alittle cluttered.

No. That is not the only thing. Think about future expandability of the game. SEGA went with ps2 cause it was the top platform of the TIME. Now that 360 and ps3 are more on the horizon, they are realizing thier mistake. They themselves said they want PSU to be a LONG TERM PROJECT, more so than PSO(etc.) Now they realize that the newer consoles will better enable them to make the "long term" vision a reality. (Dont be suprised if future updates for ps2 are lacking in the ammount of content compared to the other consoles. just a possibility. dont jump on me now! )The "only thing" improvable is not just resolution. Remember to think of speed and processing power (which involves animations and effects(and how many can be seen at one time without lag-remember the problems that rangers had with too much action on screen? This was on DC-wich the game was made for), lag, view distance, etc...).

Anyway, as someone stated above, I don't want this to be an issue that causes hate. Let's all party online ok?

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DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 06:40 PM

On 2006-07-12 16:16, MAGNUShunter wrote:

No. That is not the only thing. Think about future expandability of the game. SEGA went with ps2 cause it was the top platform of the TIME. Now that 360 and ps3 are more on the horizon, they are realizing thier mistake. They themselves said they want PSU to be a LONG TERM PROJECT, more so than PSO(etc.) Now they realize that the newer consoles will better enable them to make the "long term" vision a reality.

Do you really think SEGA is sitting over there and is saying "Oops, we forgot about the PS3, now PSU is screwed for the future." Not really.
The fact that they said PSU is going to be long-term right there should spell out that they have ALL this planned out from the get-go. You can't say that because the PS2 is so old that it will hinder updates on the other systems because you don't know how SEGA plans on updating PSU.
If you ask me, all that is needed for PSU updates is right there on the disk: Dungeon info, weapon info, and item info. All they gotta do is, switch the dungeons around some, create different monster spawn points, and add in some other misc. stuff and you got yourself a new quest. You also don't know if SEGA is putting unlockable content on the disk. They could simply let you download a small patch onto the memory card that could be deleted one active and the content is unlocked.
No offense intended MAGNU, but I think you're jumping the gun here by saying the PS2 is bad for the future of PSU. Once again no offense but I think ST knows whats good for thier game a lot better than you do.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 06:54 PM

On 2006-07-12 16:40, DizzyDi wrote:

...The fact that they said PSU is going to be long-term right there should spell out that they have ALL this planned out from the get-go...Once again no offense but I think ST knows whats good for thier game a lot better than you do.

No. They dont have it ALL planned out. And, no-they dont know for sure yet about anything. Did you forget that they just changed their mind about it not being on 360?
Here is PROOF that nothging is set in stone, and that the game (as for all mmos) will be in "deveopment" for a long time.:

PSOW: Having the game come out for the Xbox 360 opens the door for certain Xbox Live features, such as voice chat. Will voice chat be a feature that is exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of PSU?

Takao Miyoshi: Yes, that is exclusive to the Xbox 360 version of the game.

PSOW: Are there any plans to bring Phantasy Star Universe to other platforms, such as the Nintendo Wii or Sony's Playstation 3?

(The question seems to get a laugh out of Miyoshi-san and his translator, and we have a feeling it's due to the new name of the system formerly known as the Revolution)

Takao Miyoshi: We are not thinking about it for the Wii or Playstation 3 at this time. I think we may take a closer look at those platforms after we get some feedback from you guys in regards to how you will be able to play on those platforms and what would make the game enjoyable on them.

PSOW: Would you like to bring the game to these platforms?

Takao Miyoshi: (smiling and making sword striking gestures) Yeah, it would be a lot of fun to play the game with the Wii controller. You could do it with the PS3 controller also (imitates playing on a motion sensitive PS3 controller, appearing to have lost control while tilting left and right rapidly and making loud exclamation noises). It would be nice to play a driving area with a controller like that, maybe something that snakes around on the ground.

And no offense to you either bro. No mmo is ever set in stone at the time of development or release. Any person in a creative field will TELL you that about thier respective field.
Here is a link to complete interview: http://www.pso-world.com/phantasy-star-universe-e3-2006-takao-miyoshi.php
----------------------------------------------------
More quotes:
"TGS 2005: Sonic Team Talks Phantasy Star Universe
The full word on the PS2 title and the future of the series from producer
Takao Miyoshi. by Anoop Gantayat

IGN: Phantasy Star Online came out on GameCube, Xbox and PC. Why have you
decided to bring Universe to the PS2 instead of the GameCube or Xbox?
Miyoshi: At the time of PSO, when considering whether to develop for the PS2
or GameCube, we felt that we could release something of higher quality on
the GameCube, and so we made GameCube the main platform. And then, we ported
the GameCube version to the Xbox. However, for PSU, we felt that we could
reach a wider audience by moving over to the PS2 and the PC. "

"IGN: So is there an Xbox version under consideration?

Miyoshi: There's no plan yet. Although if we did it, it would be on Xbox 360
and not Xbox.

IGN: [rubs hands together in anticipation...]

Miyoshi: There are a tremendous number of Xbox users in America, so we would
definitely like to do it, although nothing is decided yet. "
----------------------------------------------------
Even MORE quotes: http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
IGN: What advantages will the PC version have over the PS2 version?

Miyoshi: Phantasy Star is, of course, a console brand, and it's known as a
game that you play with the game controller. PSU was created with the
controller in mind, so it feels natural when you play using the game
controller. As for the PC, you can also plug in a game controller so you get
the same experience. In addition, you will get better graphics and higher
resolution.

IGN: Will the content be the same between the two?

Miyoshi: Yes, the content will be the same.

IGN: In terms of downloads and updates, will you take advantage of the PC's
hard drive, or maybe even the PS2's hard drive?

Miyoshi: In general, we'd like to keep the content same as the PC. There
will be downloadable quests, but as far as new maps or patches or things
like that, we're not planning that.

IGN: Will the quests, then, be saved to your Memory Card?

Miyoshi: They will be downloaded directly to your PS2's memory before play.

IGN: Can PC players play against PS2 players?

Miyoshi: This is often asked, but I can't say for certain yet. Technically,
it's possible, and if we can, we'd like to do it.

IGN: The PS2 has one advantage over the PC -- the PSP. Will it be possible
to connect to the PSP? Or maybe even Phantasy Star Online for the PSP?

[ Miyoshi laughs ]

IGN: If you tell us off the record, we won't tell anyone...

[ Miyoshi exchanges lots of talk in Japanese with the Sega of America
representatives making IGN wonder what in the world they're chatting
about. ]

Miyoshi: No plans as of now. "

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Earthsunderer

Jul 12, 2006, 07:16 PM

Why tell us this? Why not tell it to the japanese fans of the Phantasy Star series? Even if by miracle we all would do what you wanted for (though the users on this board are probably less than a thousand), it's not like SEGA then suddenly would realize that they must forego the Sony Playstation 2 next time.

Really, it's the japanese playerbase that you'd need to convince.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 07:20 PM

Every avalanche begins with a snowball.
And you never know who is watching the forums of what happens to be the largest PSO-related community on the internet.

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Earthsunderer

Jul 12, 2006, 07:29 PM

The largest and most informative english-written PSO-site, perhaps.
But still, only english, and not japanese.

You'd be better of on the PSO BBboards of Sega Japan on pso5.com and try to persuade those people there.

DikkyRay

Jul 12, 2006, 08:05 PM

On 2006-07-12 17:20, MAGNUShunter wrote:
Every avalanche begins with a snowball.
And you never know who is watching the forums of what happens to be the largest PSO-related community on the internet.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 17:22 ]

no avalanches are already big to start. Face it. Psu is coming to PC and PS2 and there is NOTHING you can do about it

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 08:12 PM

Dikky Ray, I doubt he's trying to make the game not come out on the ps2...
He's jsut saying 'watch out' because the ps2 addons may be skimped compared to the others due to the capabilities. ST will be wanting to push what they can do with the series, and I doubt they are going to let the ps2 get in their way (if they do, I'd be dissapointed).

DikkyRay

Jul 12, 2006, 08:14 PM

well psu was originally coming out on only ps2, so it won't be skipped. 360 should consider itself lucky for being allowed to have psu also

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 08:18 PM

On 2006-07-12 18:12, Carlo210 wrote:
Dikky Ray, I doubt he's trying to make the game not come out on the ps2...
He's jsut saying 'watch out' because the ps2 addons may be skimped compared to the others due to the capabilities. ST will be wanting to push what they can do with the series, and I doubt they are going to let the ps2 get in their way (if they do, I'd be dissapointed).

Wow! Thank you for actually READING my posts!

DikkyRay

Jul 12, 2006, 08:18 PM

On 2006-07-12 18:16, MAGNUShunter wrote:
No.

lol dont act like you didnt know. Consider yourself lucky. Just face the facts

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 08:18 PM

PC should be considered lucky too, then? And PS2 should be lucky that ST didn't say 'you know what, let's make this a totally next-gen oriented game. We don't want ps2 to be a bottleneck on our next steps with this game'.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 08:20 PM

On 2006-07-12 18:18, DikkyRay wrote:

On 2006-07-12 18:16, MAGNUShunter wrote:
No.

lol dont act like you didnt know. Consider yourself lucky. Just face the facts

Again. No. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
By saying this, I mean that I am NOT considering your statement, since you obviously made it without any regard to what I have actually posted.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 18:27 ]

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 08:45 PM

On 2006-07-12 18:14, DikkyRay wrote:
well psu was originally coming out on only ps2, so it won't be skipped. 360 should consider itself lucky for being allowed to have psu also

actually you are correct, the PS2 and PC version were slated for realese and THEN ST announced it for the 360, so I deffinitly agree that 360 users should feel lucky.

The game will NOT be limited just because it's on the PS2, the patches (if any, since this is NOT an MMO) will be small enough for the 8 meg ps2 cards otherwise it would not be released for the system.

As for new content, it's all going to be on the disk anyway and they will just release data off it as needed fot 3+ years, as someone stated earlier.

ShinMaruku

Jul 12, 2006, 09:01 PM

Oh this thing is gonna run on the PS2 they are not gonna drop it at this point. And that 360 support move as surpiseing.. AM2 passed it up...

Tuxedose

Jul 12, 2006, 09:08 PM

I am getting a bit irritated here. I dont wanna be rude or anything but when is people going to learn???? First of all it has been known since long that the ps2 and pc version is going to be linked. Secondly Ps2 and Pc have ALOT of more users than Xbox 360 since they have a wider variety of games. Those two things are plain facts accept it.

Anyways the reason for not realeasing psu for ps3 is cause its an undiscovered platform and since the ps3 is backwards compatible than Sonic Team wont loos ANY players!! Cause ps2 games will still be developed and bought long after Ps3 is realeased cause ps2 still got alot to give. I mean come on look at God of War 2!! its friggin PS3 Graphics on that game. And Psu is a heaven to look at!! Both Pc and ps2 version is great. and besides Psu was no matter what anyone is saying developed for Playstation 2 cause that is the version they started to make and then the pc version shortly after. And last but not least the 360 vewrsion to get a little extra money.

If the Xbox 360 console would have been released at the same time as Playstation 3 than Psu would not have only been released for Ps2 and pc cause 360 would have been undiscovered as well.

I say long live the PS2!! And lets just hope that psu will be the greatest game for it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. I pretty sure it will.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 09:21 PM

On 2006-07-12 18:45, Foxix wrote:

The game will NOT be limited just because it's on the PS2, the patches (if any, since this is NOT an MMO) will be small enough for the 8 meg ps2 cards otherwise it would not be released for the system.

As for new content, it's all going to be on the disk anyway and they will just release data off it as needed fot 3+ years, as someone stated earlier.

Did you read the quotes from ST on page nine of this thread?
And did you just say that this is not an MMO?
You're loosin' me man. You're loosin' me.

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-memoru-

Jul 12, 2006, 09:21 PM

On 2006-07-12 19:08, Tuxedose wrote:
I am getting a bit irritated here. I dont wanna be rude or anything but when is people going to learn???? First of all it has been known since long that the ps2 and pc version is going to be linked. Secondly Ps2 and Pc have ALOT of more users than Xbox 360 since they have a wider variety of games. Those two things are plain facts accept it.

Anyways the reason for not realeasing psu for ps3 is cause its an undiscovered platform and since the ps3 is backwards compatible than Sonic Team wont loos ANY players!! Cause ps2 games will still be developed and bought long after Ps3 is realeased cause ps2 still got alot to give. I mean come on look at God of War 2!! its friggin PS3 Graphics on that game. And Psu is a heaven to look at!! Both Pc and ps2 version is great. and besides Psu was no matter what anyone is saying developed for Playstation 2 cause that is the version they started to make and then the pc version shortly after. And last but not least the 360 vewrsion to get a little extra money.

If the Xbox 360 console would have been released at the same time as Playstation 3 than Psu would not have only been released for Ps2 and pc cause 360 would have been undiscovered as well.

I say long live the PS2!! And lets just hope that psu will be the greatest game for it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif. I pretty sure it will.

exactly. ;D
/bows

DikkyRay

Jul 12, 2006, 09:32 PM

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 09:32 PM

On 2006-07-12 19:21, MAGNUShunter wrote:

On 2006-07-12 18:45, Foxix wrote:

The game will NOT be limited just because it's on the PS2, the patches (if any, since this is NOT an MMO) will be small enough for the 8 meg ps2 cards otherwise it would not be released for the system.

As for new content, it's all going to be on the disk anyway and they will just release data off it as needed fot 3+ years, as someone stated earlier.

Did you read the quotes from ST on page nine of this thread?
And did you just say that this is not an MMO?
You're loosin' me man. You're loosin' me.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 19:22 ]

actually yes I did read the quotes and they seem to just reinforce my previous statement. He even says that they would like to keep content the same and that everything will be saved to a memory card for quests and updates. Am I right?

And for the record yes I did say that PSU is NOT an MMO, because its not an MMO.

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 09:48 PM

No one isn't saying 'die, ps2' (save for the OP in the topic title for 'bear with me' purposes), but read the posts or at least take them into considerationa bit before posting. Long live the ps2, sure, fine. We are just saying 'watch out' because the ps2 addons may be skimped compared to the others due to the limited capabilities. Don't take 'limited capabilities' as a personal insult.
If there is a game called "broad mountain ranges with 100 highly detailed crabs on screen at once with 10 playrs around the world shooting photon blasts at them while meteors hit the mountain - all in HD" and it's released for ps2, xbox 360, and pc (and each version has to be the same, excluding graphics), are you telling me that the ps2 won't hinder the game itself? This is an example, and don't dissect it. Please.
If the PS2 were to get the same quality addons as X360 and PC those addons would have to run within the limits of the PS2. Don't get all anti-me because I'm saying the ps2 isn't strong - it isn't compared to the next-gen consoles. The next gen consoles and pc technology create more possibilities for each game that comes out on the respective platforms.
ST will be wanting to push what they can do with PSU, therefore, I doubt they are going to let the ps2 get in their way. At least I hope so. ST must have big ideas for PSU and what they are going to do with the new possibilities of next-gen hardware. I hope they can make this game have broad and next-gen add-ons while giving the PS2 what it can 'handle' in differently set up add-ons.

This is in no way a hit to the PS2.

AvianKaitos

Jul 12, 2006, 09:58 PM

The older models of the PS2 have had their difficulties with disc reading, I hope my PS2 doesn’t fail me now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 10:06 PM

yeah no kidding my PS2 sounds like its on its last leg. It currently sounds like a dying elephant when I open the disk try http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif so I'm saving up to trade it in and get a slim PS2.

DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 10:27 PM

Alrighty here goes...
The PS2 won't be slowing down PSU in anyway. PSU is a game that was first designed for the PS2, any other systems that it goes to will just be ports of the PS2 version, just with higher resolutions and stuff. Since PSU is a game that was designed for the PS2, the PSU game engine is designed to make sure that the PS2 can handle it. So any and ALL updates will be within the PS2's compatability. Get it? So if the PS2 can't handle, then the game damn sure can't handle it either. Get it, get it?

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 10:40 PM

Yeah, I get it. Have you read 'my' post? (I know you have, I'm just talking here)
My point stands proven, then. The fact that the game is on the ps2 (made for the ps2, same thing) means that the possibilities of PSU are limited to what PS2 is capable.
"So if the PS2 can't handle, then the game damn sure can't handle it either."
My previous posts agreed with you 100%. We are basically talking the same talk, except I'm also talking about 'what if' ST wants to go the mile and make PSU a greater game. You know, use the next-gen-technology in the PCs and Xbox 360 to do more than offer a higher resolution and beter graphics.
Not to downplay what it's going to be, but I hold by the common fact. As for every game, PSU has much greater potential as a next-gen title rather than a PS2 title that is ported to the PC and Xbox 360.

Peace

kazuma56

Jul 12, 2006, 10:45 PM

Well the game was built and "optimized" using the PS2s engine(s) so the game in and of itself won't be anywhere near "nextgen" in terms of graphics because it was more or less designed with the PS2 architecture in mind.

That said, all future "updates" will most likely already be stored on the Disc (probably dual-layered because it offers both and offline RPG plus the online mode) like the PSO games were/are... in my opinion, the PC is the only platform that is hindered because of two consoles its released on, because the 360 does come with a HDD less bundle, and without the HDD, you can't even go online (from what I hear anyway) so those people unfortunate enough to not have a HDD 360 will have to buy PSU as a standalone offline game, At least the PS2 version has support for either offline and online but ST opted not to use the HDD for the ps2 so that effects any major updates that ST COULD do with the game.

The only console (IMO) that wouldn't be hindered by either would be the PS3, not only does it's "core" bundle come with an HDD, it also can read Blu-ray which means if ST used the BRD just for housing all its "updates" you're looking at about 2-3 years of "updates" readily available on the disc alone.

The only reason the PS2 hinders PSU is because unless ST releases really small patches or does something like zipper/Sony with its online games and makes a 2-3 MB file on your memory card and patch game exploits and such that way, it will make hacking the game the same as all the others because the patch size would probably be too big for the PS2 memory card to handle.

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 10:49 PM

Good post, but I'm not referring to graphics or size of updates. Also, since when didn't anyone know the initial game is built for ps2? I thought that was excruciatingly obvious. Some future updates, if ST chooses to make better addons for the next gen platforms, 'could' be built for Xbox 360 and PC since they are much more capable than the ps2. I'd like to see some broad things for PSU, but, as everyone should agree, since PSU is built 'for' PS2, that won't necessarily happen unless ST intelligently decides to create X360/PC exclusive neg-geenworthy updates.

DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 10:52 PM

On 2006-07-12 20:49, Carlo210 wrote:
Good post, but I'm not referring to graphics or size of updates. Also, since when didn't anyone know the initial game is built for ps2? I thought that was excruciatingly obvious. Some future updates, if ST chooses to make better addons for the next gen platforms, 'could' be built for Xbox 360 and PC since they are much more capable than the ps2. I'd like to see some broad things for PSU, but, as everyone should agree, since PSU is built 'for' PS2, that won't necessarily happen unless ST intelligently decides to create X360/PC exclusive neg-geenworthy updates.

And then listen to complaints from all the PS2 owners. PSU isn't a next-gen game, its a current gen one, so any sorta next-gen updates you were hoping for isn't gunna happen because like I said, the game engine is designed with the PS2 in mind.

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 10:58 PM

There are no games that even touch the 9 gig DVD-9's you do know this right? well maybe 1 but I'm not even sure about that one. Oblivion only takes like 4 or 5 gigs so disc space doesn't really matter. It's all about money and NO devoloper is willing to put that many millions of dollars to even try and fill up a DVD. The only reason sony included the blue ray drive was to get a blue ray player (which is made in part by sony) into peoples homes.

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-12 21:00 ]

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 11:01 PM

Quote
"And then listen to complaints from all the PS2 owners. PSU isn't a next-gen game, its a current gen one, so any sorta next-gen updates you were hoping for isn't gunna happen because like I said, the game engine is designed with the PS2 in mind. "

I know that. *screams at keyboard*
Since you didn't catch it,
Quote - Carlo
"We are basically talking the same talk, except I'm also talking about 'what if' ST wants to go the mile and make PSU a greater game."

I know that the updates will be limited to what was built on 2001 year old hardware and will be played on 2006 hardware with port-esque visual improvements . If you don't know why I have the slightest 'discomfort' with that or have the slightest hope that we may get some next-gen oddons on the side, then I guess I can't explain it any further.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-12 21:02 ]

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 11:04 PM

Sevenfold

Jul 12, 2006, 11:06 PM

On 2006-07-12 21:04, Carlo210 wrote:

On 2006-07-12 20:58, Foxix wrote:
There are no games that even touch the 9 gig DVD-9's you do know this right? well maybe 1 but I'm not even sure about that one. Oblivion only takes like 4 or 5 gigs so disc space doesn't really matter. It's all about money and NO devoloper is willing to put that many millions of dollars to even try and fill up a DVD. The only reason sony included the blue ray drive was to get a blue ray player (which is made in part by sony) into peoples homes.

Yeah, which is why I giggle at people who think they'll get 'better graphics' with more game space.

Anyways, back on topic. Someone reply to my previous post (teehee).

Could have sworn I already said this earlier....

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 11:08 PM

On 2006-07-12 20:45, kazuma56 wrote:
Well the game was built and "optimized" using the PS2s engine(s) so the game in and of itself won't be anywhere near "nextgen" in terms of graphics because it was more or less designed with the PS2 architecture in mind.

That said, all future "updates" will most likely already be stored on the Disc

Yes. Good post.

But also realize, based on the interviews links and quotes posted here, that ST has not yet finalized thier plans for PSU. They have already stated that they will "wait and see" how things pan out on all the next gen consoles, and then determine how PSU will evolve as a LONG TERM PROJECT. If you have read and understand what has been reported by ST and posted here, than you SHOULD realize this: IT DOESNT MATTER THAT THE GAME WAS MADE WITH PS2 SPECS IN MIND. Obviously, when the PSU project was started YEARS ago, PS2 was on-top. WELCOME TO 2006! ST is looking toward "the future" for PSU and the PSO franchise. They have said this themselves! Did you not understand? Or was it posted in Japanese by mistake?

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Those who think that ST have already "completed" their plans for PSU and continue to think that way even after reading all the threads and links in this post have no buisness posting here. In fact I dont see how you can even say something like that If you actually HAVE read these posts.

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 11:08 PM

meh you may have, Sevenfold, but I though I should at least say it again seeing as how kazuma was talking about using blue ray to store more data for updates

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-12 21:09 ]

kazuma56

Jul 12, 2006, 11:17 PM

On 2006-07-12 20:58, Foxix wrote:
There are no games that even touch the 9 gig DVD-9's you do know this right? well maybe 1 but I'm not even sure about that one. Oblivion only takes like 4 or 5 gigs so disc space doesn't really matter. It's all about money and NO devoloper is willing to put that many millions of dollars to even try and fill up a DVD. The only reason sony included the blue ray drive was to get a blue ray player (which is made in part by sony) into peoples homes.

[ This Message was edited by: Foxix on 2006-07-12 21:00 ]

I find this kind of weird, I could have swore I heard that some 360 ports of games already on the current gen consoles had less features (think some EA games or maybe it was CoD2...can't remeber) even so, I believe that if 360 DID use true HD (1080p) that the DVD-9 disc format would easily be "filled" of space, i'm not 1005 sure, but I think 360 runs native 720p and can support 1080i, but not 1080p.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 11:30 PM

On another note.
To thouse who imply that you do not expect or even WANT updates and new content in the future other that what has already been thought of or planned.
How can you say your are a fan of PSU and not want to see it grow? Wow fans are salivating for new content. So do fans of EVERY current mmo! (Sorry Foxix but I am just gonna have to disagree with your statement that PSU is not an mmo)
Are you people saying, "well PS2 was first, so that it for me! When Im done with the game in a year or two, then I'll just move on to the next big thing. At least I'll have my memories of a great game that I enjoyed for a while. I dont want them to develop new content. When us elites on ps2 have experienced everything they packed on the disk, just close the servers down. Ill do anything, as long as it keeps PS2 at the top! Yay ps2 fanz for life!"
This is what I'm feeling from you all that say "screw all the other consoles!"
How immature can you get?!
360, PC, and PS3 fans that post here aren't even being that bullheaded and insulting.
If you are under the age of 15, then PLEASE dont post here.

In fact, maybe some of you can get together, form a pop boy-band, and call it "NOOBZ of RL"...

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 21:44 ]

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 11:37 PM

Exactly. I just want PSU to grow further. Sure, everything fine for the time being, but PSU should be more than a PS2 mmo in the future.

DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 11:45 PM

On 2006-07-12 21:30, MAGNUShunter wrote:
On another note.
To thouse who imply that you do not expect or even WANT updates and new content in the future other that what has already been thought of or planned.
How can you say your are a fan of PSU and not want to see it grow? Wow fans are salivating for new content. So do fans of EVERY current mmo! (Sorry Foxix but I am just gonna have to disagree with your statement that PSU is not an mmo)
Are you people saying, "well PS2 was first, so that it for me! When Im done with the game in a year or two, then I'll just move on to the next big thing. At least I'll have my memories of a great game that I enjoyed for a while. I dont want them to develop new content. When us elites on ps2 have experienced everything they packed on the disk, just close the servers down. Ill do anything, as long as it keeps PS2 at the top! Yay ps2 fanz for life!"
This is what I'm feeling from you all that say "screw all the other consoles!"
How immature can you get?!
360, PC, and PS3 fans that post here aren't even being that bullheaded and insulting.
If you are under the age of 15, then PLEASE dont post here.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 21:33 ]

All that is not called for now. Calling people immature and then twisting thier words around and calling them PS2 fanboys and elitists isn't exacly mature. I'm not saying screw other consoles, I'm just saying that you're view of "screw PS2" isn't the right way to go. I'm also not saying that I don't want future updates for the game. All I'm saying is that PS2 isn't hindering any future updates for the game like you make it out to be. The PS2 still has a good little bit of kick to it. Now..3-5 years from now when that kick runs out, I'm ALL for PSU being made for next-gen consoles and PCs, no problem.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 11:48 PM

What are you even saying?
"screw ps2"??? And you're not twisting MINE?

Foxix

Jul 12, 2006, 11:48 PM

Hey no problem MAGNUS thats the reason I made a seperate thread about whether psu was an mmo or not http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

and the reason I don't mind that its on the ps2 is because I look back at the old pso and I think "that was great, I wonder what they will release now that they have their priorities straightened out." and after 3+ years almost any MMO or online game usually goes down hill from there.

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 11:49 PM

The ps2 can't do what next gen hardware can do. Therefore, its games have much less potential. Psu is one of these games. End of story.

And 3-5 years? Pardon me, but.... 3-5 years??? Dony says that because they want to keep the console in the market and not kill it off. No problem with that, but that doesn't change the fact that, in even one year from now, its games will be absolutely incomparable in terms of potential than the next-gen consoles.
PS2 is a drawback for PSU's potential. I don't see how you can honestly believe otherwise. PS2 is great and PSuv1 will be awesome on it, but I don't want the game to be based off of what a 5 year old console can do.

DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 11:52 PM

On 2006-07-12 21:48, MAGNUShunter wrote:
What are you even saying?
"screw ps2"??? And you're not twisting MINE?

On 2006-07-10 16:58, MAGNUShunter wrote:

1)the ps2 is about a decade old! I know i've said this before, but if we really care about the FUTURE of this beautiful series, then we need to let the ps2 die! I love the ps2 but THINK about it. All future updates of this game will be held back based on what the ps2 is capable of.
Say ST or the fans have an idea that would better the game (like new levels, game-types, pvp or even things that havent been thought of yet!), it's all gonna come down to this, "can the ps2 handle it?" If not, then screw the future.
360/PC Linkage will at least leave room for growth on those platforms, which are highly capable of handling anything that can be thrown at them at this point.

Thats not saying "screw PS2"?

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 11:55 PM

That was a good try DizzyDi, but how bout using ALL the words of my post, instead of "twisting" my words out of context (as someone on this thread recently complained about)

On 2006-07-10 16:58, MAGNUShunter wrote:
This is not an attack on PS2. Most of us have and love our PS2's and have enjoyed them for years now. Please read entire thread before posting!
[***EDIT: Please do not post in this thread unless you are willing to read it in it's entirety first***]

I'm all for the 360 and PC linkage(contrary to popular consensus)-please here me out before jumin down my throat.

1)the ps2 is about a decade old! I know i've said this before, but if we really care about the FUTURE of this beautiful series, then we need to let the ps2 die! I love the ps2 but THINK about it. All future updates of this game will be held back based on what the ps2 is capable of.
Say ST or the fans have an idea that would better the game (like new levels, game-types, pvp or even things that havent been thought of yet!), it's all gonna come down to this, "can the ps2 handle it?" If not, then screw the future.
360/PC Linkage will at least leave room for growth on those platforms, which are highly capable of handling anything that can be thrown at them at this point.

2)Linking all three would be good, only if looking forward to the backward compatibility of the ps3. This would enable ps2 users that are hardcore Sony fans to migrate to a more powerful and ADAPTABLE system in the future, allowing for more powerful features being implemented into the game. (Again, keep in mind that the better the hardware, the more you can do in all areas, not just graphics!)
Anywayz'
That's my two meseta.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 21:56 ]

DizzyDi

Jul 12, 2006, 11:55 PM

On 2006-07-12 21:49, Carlo210 wrote:
The ps2 can't do what next gen hardware can do. Therefore, its games have much less potential. Psu is one of these games. End of story.

And 3-5 years? Pardon me, but.... 3-5 years??? Dony says that because they want to keep the console in the market and not kill it off. No problem with that, but that doesn't change the fact that, in even one year from now, its games will be absolutely incomparable in terms of potential than the next-gen consoles.
PS2 is a drawback for PSU's potential. I don't see how you can honestly believe otherwise. PS2 is great and PSuv1 will be awesome on it, but I don't want the game to be based off of what a 5 year old console can do.

PS2 still will have the highest user base a year from now, you're forgetting that. 360 isn't nearly as popular in japan, aaaaaand who knows whats gunna happen with the PS3. So, you're willing to sacrifice more users for PSU (which translates to less money for SEGA and ST) for some "next-gen" updates? BTW, What do you mean by next-gen?

Carlo210

Jul 12, 2006, 11:55 PM

I don't know about you, but the 'die ps2' comments are purely to get people on the same boat. They are not literal at all, just ''come on, guys. Don't you see??'' sorts of comments. I can't see them as being anti-ps2 comments since the first bit of the thread is "This is not an attack on PS2. Most of us have and love our PS2's and have enjoyed them for years now".

*watches confused people read over simple posts over and over*

I don't know how many times I have to nail down the thought some of us share. I've done it in at least 3 posts that are semi-consecutive.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 12, 2006, 11:59 PM

*watches confused people read over simple posts over and over*

Lol. Thats my sig now. Thanx!

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 12:02 AM

+1 for Carlo!

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 12:03 AM

I do realize that old hardware has its dissadvantages but in this case its just a lack of FULL hard drive support. In which case some people think it may butcher the game but I think even if it had full hard drive support, ST probobly wouldn't care to use it too much anyway, seeing as how they released content on previous titles.

To me hardware means nothing, the best games will always be the best no matter how old or poor the technology running it. This is why games like Chrono Trigger, Halo 1, Disgaea, and of course the Phantasy Star series still kick so much ass. Untill my school shut down our lan parties we were still playing the first Unreal Tournament, Counterstrike, and Starcraft. And just like these games, Phantasy Star Universe will STILL kick ass no matter what limitations it may have or what platform it may be played on.

DizzyDi

Jul 13, 2006, 12:05 AM

Okay lets just agree that your comments aren't anti-PS2, lets get past that.
Alright so you guys are saying how PS2 is a drawback, alright I can see that. But how long has PSU been in development? I don't know, lets just say a couple of years okay. So let me get this straight...You guys want ST to just drop PS2 off the boards completely as far as PSU goes and go with 360/PC and maybe PS3, right? But think about...Thats gunna take a lot of money and resources for ST, and I REALLY doubt they're gunna want to do that anytime soon. Its gunna be a few years before they even consider updating the game to next gen. And as Magnu said, they're taking a "wait and see" approach, so if thats true, they're probably going to be waiting and seeing for a few years to get an accurate take on how well the PS3 and 360 is selling before they go completely next-gen.

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 12:09 AM

I said I hoped for next gen content in the future and that ST doesn't jsut 'port' everything to the next gen consoles. I said I hope we gen some addons that show what PSU can do on better hardware. I don't believe I ever said they should drop ps2, nor do I tihnk it's a wise decision. In the future, yes - they should stop ps2 development and move to enxt gen (x360, pc, ps3).

MAGNUShunter

Jul 13, 2006, 12:11 AM

DizzyDi,
No, we are not saying drop PS2 totaly. We're saying keep it going for as long as possible, but let the other versions be able to grow according to hardware capability, instead of only matching what ps2 can do.
Look at Tomb Raider Legends. Great game, the basic code was written for xbox and older. Sure, they revamped the graphics and all, but if they made the game without any regard to anything but 360, it would have been better overall cause they would have been able to do ANYTHING they wanted with it, instead of just glossing over the surface with better graphics. Look at HALO and HALO2. They are so popular cause they were made pulling out all the stops. NO OTHER CONSOLE can even port a halo game if it wanted to! I just cant handle everything, from the AI, the the physics, to the textures...

Also, do you dreamcast pso players remember when the xbox version came out. Many of us couldnt belive that you could see REAL SHADOWS, and RIPPLING WATER!
Imagine, playing PSU with textures and lighting and weather similar to GRAW single-player on 360, or physics like HALO2 or OBLIVION. Picking up items? Swimming? Flight? Realistic or semi-anime realistic skin textuers. Wind and clothing physics? Hair? Bloom Lighting? Character damage. It's endless.
Did you play Gunvalkyrie for XBOX? It's graphics were better than PSU's will be, and it came out in 2002!

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-12 22:17 ]

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AvianKaitos

Jul 13, 2006, 12:18 AM

Foxix has it down pinned. I can't tell how many times I’ve bought the same ole’ thing from Sonic Team; including PSO: DC v1, v2, GCN ep1 & 2, plus, ep3, and now Blue Burst. The series still rocks!

*episode 3 is not the same game but it’s still a derivative*

If I find out PSU sucks on the PS2 then I can always migrate to a different platform like before.

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 12:22 AM

Avian, don't mock us by posting an obvious message that has everything to do with not reading the thread.

You agree with keeping it on the ps2, yet you then say youd rather the game be a next-gen oriented title in a while because you can go and migrate to the better versions.

DizzyDi

Jul 13, 2006, 12:23 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:11, MAGNUShunter wrote:
DizzyDi,

Did you play Gunvalkyrie for XBOX? It's graphics were better than PSU's will be, and it came out in 2002!

Not really. I think you need to compare the screenshots side by side before you say something like that.
And, PS2 isn't stopping PC and 360 PSU from having better effects. Just look at FFXI for PC, better resolution, draw distance, spell effects, and other things.
I also agree with yous guys that yeah, PSU should be next-gen, but I don't think its gunna happen within the next 2-4 years.

AvianKaitos

Jul 13, 2006, 12:26 AM

You caught me... I don't read crap, I'll post somewhere else

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 12:27 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:22, Carlo210 wrote:
Avian, don't mock us by posting an obvious message that has everything to do with not reading the thread.

You agree with keeping it on the ps2, yet you then say youd rather the game be a next-gen oriented title in a while because you can go and migrate to the better versions.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

he was simply replying to what I said and he meant that at the CHANCE of it being poor there are other options

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 12:33 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:26, AvianKaitos wrote:
You caught me... I don't read crap, I'll post somewhere else

Stay, stay. The more, the merrier.

And, PS2 isn't stopping PC and 360 PSU from having better effects.
Maybe so, but it doesn't seem many of us are having problems with graphics up to this point since it is clear the initial PSU v1 is a ps2 port. The thing is, we can expect to see no light if things will remain this ps2-oriented and PSU addons are considered for the past-gen but ported to pc and 360. Personally, I don't think it would be acceptable for the future of PSU, and I don't see why any of you do find it acceptable.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-12 22:34 ]

MAGNUShunter

Jul 13, 2006, 12:36 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:23, DizzyDi wrote:

On 2006-07-12 22:11, MAGNUShunter wrote:
DizzyDi,

Did you play Gunvalkyrie for XBOX? It's graphics were better than PSU's will be, and it came out in 2002!

Not really. I think you need to compare the screenshots side by side before you say something like that.
And, PS2 isn't stopping PC and 360 PSU from having better effects. Just look at FFXI for PC, better resolution, draw distance, spell effects, and other things.
I also agree with yous guys that yeah, PSU should be next-gen, but I don't think its gunna happen within the next 2-4 years.

No, no, no. Anyone can look at screenshots! lol. Have you PLAYED IT! Those screenshots are crap! That game was awesome. (it's a sleeper, and HARD at first, like pno3 so read up before you go buy it. IGN actually changed their review on it after a few weeks and gave it a better score. People just did't get it at first. i digress)
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And part of the reason for the post is cause I was there in the beginning with PSO on dc It was a game that TOTALLY PUSHED the envelope in innovation. To here that it was comming out on an older platform when all the new platforms were about to come out really didn't speak of the same level of innovation or forward thinking. It's looking FUN so far. But at first, alot of HARDCORE PSU fans were worried that it was just going to be a "cash-in" sequel using ps2 as the market.

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 12:37 AM

well of course it will be very ps2 oriented but if you really think about it... how is it holding the game back any if it was designed for that system and to be compatible with all 3 platforms?

DizzyDi

Jul 13, 2006, 12:40 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:36, MAGNUShunter wrote:

No, no, no. Anyone can look at screenshots! lol. Have you PLAYED IT! Those screenshots are crap! That game was awesome.

Maybe you should wait and play PSU before deciding its graphics are worse than Gun Valkyrie.

And I agree with Foxix completely.

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 12:49 AM

I like stawberry milk you bastard... lol jk but yeah since we are all here for thesame thing, lets just hope ST doesn't screw it up! amen!

DizzyDi

Jul 13, 2006, 12:50 AM

Lets hope 360 and PS2 are linked. I'd like to play with yous guys with my poor old PS2. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

MAGNUShunter

Jul 13, 2006, 12:54 AM

no way man.
lol. jk.

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 12:57 AM

Linkage FTW!
Never tried strawberry milk, but I hear it's Faaaaantastic!

The slow forum is getting to me.

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 12:59 AM

tell me about it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif but yeah linkage would make PSU god of teh games

Oji_Retta

Jul 13, 2006, 01:14 AM

PSU is a port from the PS2. Simple. It will stay that way. The next PSU game that comes out after this one will probably be next-gen. Its that plain and simple. So people that complain about the PS2 deally need to get over it. Those who want next-gen stuff (apparently for the "growth" of the franchise), wait for the nex PSU title. A franchise isn't limited to one console (duh). The next PSU will be next-gen thus you will have your growth. This one is current gen. Period.

[ This Message was edited by: Oji_Retta on 2006-07-12 23:15 ]

MAGNUShunter

Jul 13, 2006, 01:35 AM

Well, too bad it's NOT so plain and simple, as ST has said for themselves.
But if simple is easier for people to handle, then I guess they can keep "thinking" that that is ST's goal.
Oh well. I tried.

Foxix

Jul 13, 2006, 01:40 AM

ok I just thought about it... lets say PSU is limited by the PS2 but since it will sell more on this platform and get some newcomers to the games, isn't this good for sega financially? and whats good for them is good for ST right? witch means that for the series as a whole isn't this what is best for phantasy star?

turtle323

Jul 13, 2006, 02:23 AM

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kazuma56

Jul 13, 2006, 03:37 AM

Well according to Segas site, they say the content would last for "many years" or was it "5 years"? i'm not sure which it was but its already determined that ST has planned all "updates" in advance, so new areas,enemies etc are already hidden away on the disc ready to be uploaded when they see fit.

As for better graphics, I'm all for it, I would love to have clothes blow in the wind or dynamic lighting on the characters but as long as "next gen" hasn't arrived yet, as in all 3 (or 2 depending on your view) next gen consoles are on the market and have their growing userbases then don't expect ST to go that route yet, because then it will be either PC only or PC and whatever console they designed it in mind for because i'm pretty sure the 7 SPE's in the PS3 would be hard to recode in the 360 and make it all run the same as the other.

Garroway

Jul 13, 2006, 08:13 AM

Are we still debating the longevity of a game that none of us have played the final version of?

The 5 years things was Sony's estimated life span of the PS2 after the release of the PS3. By lifespan I mean that games will still be developed for the consol, I'm sure people will be playing them long after game developement has stopped.

parabolee

Jul 13, 2006, 09:55 AM

I think it is pretty much a given that the PS2 is bringing down the standard for PSU, but that is not going to change at this point. If the consumer speaks with their wallet and tell SEGA they want PSu to be next gen and PC and 360 versions outsell the PS2 to a large degree. Then we will likely see a PS3 version and better Hard Drive based upgrades for PSU that are not released for the PS2.

But that could be 2 years down the line.

Earthsunderer

Jul 13, 2006, 10:45 AM

Hmm, how can the Playstation 2 bring down the standard for Phantasy Star Universe, when the standard for Phantasy Star Universe was the Playstation 2 to begin with? I do understand what you mean, but we should look at the things in the true context. It's not like the game was created with the X-Box 360 in the mind and that they thought then they could make more money by releasing it on the PS 2, so that they would have to tone down many aspects of the game. It's quite the contrary. PSU was made for PS 2 (as I guess everybody has stated this in this thread for untold times), and then, the X-Box 360 came along.

And it's not like everybody waited for ages for this new installment of the Phantasy Star series and wouldn't suddenly mind to not care about it if it gets postponed again to be enhanced to the new improved technology of X-Box 360 and possibly PS 3.

I mean, how long did the fans wait for PSU? Three years? Four years?

parabolee

Jul 13, 2006, 11:01 AM

Er yes. The very fact that the PS2 versions IS THE STANDARD is the reason why the standard is brought down by the PS2 version. If the standard was the 360 then the standard would be brought up!

Plus it has always been a PC title aswell. So the PS2 is not really the standard, it's just the the lesser platform and is bringing it down.

And to say we have waited 4 years is a little over the top, sure we played PSO, loved it and wanted more. But we could never have imagined PSU at theat point (or at least never reasonabley expected it). So we waited about ayear for V2 and was happy then however long for Ep1&2 and was happy. I guess by the time Blue Burst Ep4 came out we were like "TRUE SEQUEL ALREADY!".

I personally wouldn't want to wait longer for a graphical upgrade for PSU. But (and I know this is noit going to happen) I would gladly buy it in the next few months on 360 and then buy it again at $60 6 months (or however long) later with improved graphics and a few V2 style extra's. And I think that that is what is most likely going to happen.

By the time PSU is ready for a V2 style upgrade, the PS2 will be dead, the PS3 will be on the market and we may see a PSU V2 with better graphics for PS3, 360 and PC. I know I would happily pay the admission fee yet another time for my beloved Phantasy Star http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ This Message was edited by: parabolee on 2006-07-13 09:04 ]

Garroway

Jul 13, 2006, 11:03 AM

The PS2 doesn't really have to bring down the quality of the game at all. Especialy when you consider sound and picture. You might run into some processing issues during large scale events but overall the limitation of one consol doesn't limit the game overall.

It will be similiar to running different expansion packs for the same game. You'll be interacting just fine but the image on the screen and available features might be completely different from one another.

ShinMaruku

Jul 13, 2006, 12:51 PM

You guys should know that there is gonna be a PSU ep1-2 and some shit. Then PSU will rewach the OD status that you guys want....

kazuma56

Jul 13, 2006, 02:05 PM

Just a thought, but what if ST released the next installment on PS3 AND Wii? wouldn't that necessarily mean Wii will bring down the other plaforms its on? since it doesn't have a built in HD (from my knowledge anyway) it would basically be the PS2 version with better graphics.... ST might just add in Wii support just so they CAN hold back on making PSU a "next gen" game and opt for another title "Phantasy Star Worlds" or something 4-5 years after PSU goes through its v2/episode stages.

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 03:58 PM

It's different in Wii's case because, first of all, it is much more capable than the ps2. Second of all, it's not the native version of the game (meaning certain addons don't have to be released for it if they won't run correctly). Anywho, ST will have to see if the Wii controller will be comfortable to use while playing PSU with the limited buttons (since the motion feature is one of its axis).

ShinMaruku

Jul 13, 2006, 04:54 PM

Thye have an alternate game rather thna a cross platform game for the wii.
Like Sonic has. If it were for the PS3 and 360 it would not roll well on the wii.

Fleece

Jul 13, 2006, 08:10 PM

On 2006-07-12 12:19, kazuma56 wrote:
Actually, Saiffy does have a point in a way.

Lets say you are looking to play PSU at least on the PS2 graphics level or slightly better resolution (i'd probably cap it off at 800x600 for smooth frames or 1024x480 but probably suffer some dips at times), as a canadian resident I COULD buy these two items and run it.

Video card (granted you have a PCI-E slot)

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007594&cid=999.243

And ram

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=008898&cid=RAM.178

or this one

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1800229&Sku=B25-2004

in total, this would run you too around 300 bucks, but that is if you have a PCI-E card and have all your RAMs running the same speed as those two above otherwise you'll have to spend even more money just buying 1-3 more ram sticks that are all "compatible" which could easily run you into 400-500+ dollars.

Take heed that I said bare minimum, that graphics card is now in the "mid-range" area compared to whats on the market now, a card over 250+ at either of those sites I mentioned means you will be getting something around "high end" gaming that is capable of running PC games on par or at the level of the two next generation systems, or in this case, PSU on better resolutions over the PS2 version.

[ This Message was edited by: kazuma56 on 2006-07-12 12:21 ]

FOR CHRISTS SAKE, I'm glad your nowhere near my PC for starters that graphics card is out of date and over priced for its lack of features, you can easy pick up an x1600/x1800 card for those prices. Secondly you recommended ECC registered PC2700 Memory so unless his current ram is ECC registered or a Server then hes spent all that money on RAM that will not function in his PC also its PC2700 I.E. DDR 333 and if his current RAM Happens to be ECC registered AND PC2700 hell be ok if not it's a useless piece of silicon to the guy. THIRDLY the second stick of RAM you recommended was fucking SODIMM I.E Laptop memory.

God please dont advise unless you know what your talking about. No Offense

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 08:13 PM

I haven't seen a x1800 for 150 bucks canadian (around 200 us). I've seen 512mb x1600s for around 170 canadian. But a x1800? I am assuming you are talking about the 512mb version (although I don't think a 256mb version is on the market).

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-13 18:17 ]

Sev

Jul 13, 2006, 10:00 PM

Nonetheless it does proove a point... You can upgrade to a decent PC for around the same as a PS3. I think I can make a max PSU spec PC for under or the same price.

If your comp sucks from the start though, things like a bad processor and mobo with a strange case... You're better off getting something new and upgrading that. But yeah... A new PC with the right parts can be bought for under PS3 price for sure. You just gotta know where the hell you're looking and what you should use. If you don't have the knowledge then you're not gonna get anywhere, and of course... You don't need the best shit on the market to run this game well.

With that said... I know what you guys have been getting at, and yes, there are things that it can't do simply because it's out for PS2. When people talkin about FFXI for all 3 platforms it makes me laugh... Cuz the game has a capped framerate, and people have told me it's simply because it's on the PS2. There was a demo of FFXI for the expansion on 360, and the frames were so smooth, they're never like that in game though. I know that the PS2 can hold games back, but at the same time, I'm just gonna love this game for what it is.

ST isn't stupid... I don't think so anyway. Although the game gets held back some, it won't hinder the games future. If anything, it'll make the game more money to pursue it's future.

Carlo210

Jul 13, 2006, 10:04 PM

That's fine, but If anyone is buying something to run PSU at max for the price of a PS3 it better do what a PS3 (and 360) can do.

kazuma56

Jul 13, 2006, 10:13 PM

FOR CHRISTS SAKE, I'm glad your nowhere near my PC for starters that graphics card is out of date and over priced for its lack of features, you can easy
pick up an x1600/x1800 card for those prices.

If you read correctly, you would notice i said playing PSU at its bare minimum, and the sites I checked don't have the x1600/1900 nowhere near 160 in price, the closest ones are the x1300s. The only x1600 thats priced around the same is this one

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009935&cid=999.243

I'm not to fond of Asus nor have I bought anything from them before so I don't know if this is just an overpriced card like the one I showed.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010018&cid=999.243

This one, again probably not for gaming

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009010&cid=999.243

there is this one, which probably performs like ass anyway.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009139&cid=999.243

Another one, it probably is good but the one I showed has (i believe) 16 pipelines.

If I bothered to look at benchmarkings on all of them, the difference between the x1600 GPU's compared to the X800XL i showed would probably be minuscule at best.

Secondly you recommended ECC registered PC2700 Memory so unless his current ram is ECC registered or a Server then hes spent all that money on RAM that will not function in his PC also its PC2700 I.E. DDR 333 and if his current RAM Happens to be ECC registered AND PC2700 hell be ok if not it's a useless piece of silicon to the guy.

I've already stated that those those two rams MAY not be compatible with his PC, if you actually read the whole post you would have noticed it.

RAMs running the same speed as those two above otherwise you'll have to spend even more money just buying 1-3 more ram sticks that are all "compatible" which could easily run you into 400-500+ dollars.

Didn't want to get too heavy into computer speak so I left out a few details...I should've said more but it was very late.

THIRDLY the second stick of RAM you recommended was fucking SODIMM I.E Laptop memory.

2 things:

for one, people MIGHT be running it on a laptop, so I threw in two different types of ram.

secondly, a friend of mine gave me the link to it and I didn't bother checking it out, he plays games on his laptop so it didn't click to me that I should've checked the site to see what type of ram it was as opposed to blindly posting the link... being lazy/tired does effect people.

God please dont advise unless you know what your talking about. No Offense

next time i'll be more "specific" with details.

[ This Message was edited by: kazuma56 on 2006-07-13 20:49 ]

Sev

Jul 13, 2006, 10:21 PM

On 2006-07-13 20:04, Carlo210 wrote:
That's fine, but If anyone is buying something to run PSU at max for the price of a PS3 it better do what a PS3 (and 360) can do.

That's just the thing... None of that makes sense unless your upgrading your PC. I wouldn't buy a new PC for just PSU, I'd buy it with other tasks in mind as well. If you have an ok computer to start with, yes, you can probably upgrade to max specs.

It's not a real argument to make here... If you wanna say it has to do what PS3 or 360 does... Well... A PC obviously does more. At the same time, for 600 you might not make it to max specs, but we're not including game price, so you get a little extra money in there haha.

ShinMaruku

Jul 14, 2006, 01:18 AM

For the mofo's that ant max PC preformnce out of this thing as some seem to alude to, don't tell me the PS3 i too expensive. As for those who just wnat it to run, it's still cheaper to get a console.

Carlo210

Jul 14, 2006, 01:31 AM

Then again some people like pc games more than sony games. It's all preference. I just don't understand why PC gamers (majority of them) have something against console gamers.

ShinMaruku

Jul 14, 2006, 01:38 AM

Must be becuas e consle gamers save more money.

Fleece

Jul 14, 2006, 04:51 AM

On 2006-07-13 20:13, kazuma56 wrote:

FOR CHRISTS SAKE, I'm glad your nowhere near my PC for starters that graphics card is out of date and over priced for its lack of features, you can easy
pick up an x1600/x1800 card for those prices.

If you read correctly, you would notice i said playing PSU at its bare minimum, and the sites I checked don't have the x1600/1900 nowhere near 160 in price, the closest ones are the x1300s. The only x1600 thats priced around the same is this one

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009935&cid=999.243

I'm not to fond of Asus nor have I bought anything from them before so I don't know if this is just an overpriced card like the one I showed.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=010018&cid=999.243

This one, again probably not for gaming

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009010&cid=999.243

there is this one, which probably performs like ass anyway.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=009139&cid=999.243

Another one, it probably is good but the one I showed has (i believe) 16 pipelines.

If I bothered to look at benchmarkings on all of them, the difference between the x1600 GPU's compared to the X800XL i showed would probably be minuscule at best.

Secondly you recommended ECC registered PC2700 Memory so unless his current ram is ECC registered or a Server then hes spent all that money on RAM that will not function in his PC also its PC2700 I.E. DDR 333 and if his current RAM Happens to be ECC registered AND PC2700 hell be ok if not it's a useless piece of silicon to the guy.

I've already stated that those those two rams MAY not be compatible with his PC, if you actually read the whole post you would have noticed it.

RAMs running the same speed as those two above otherwise you'll have to spend even more money just buying 1-3 more ram sticks that are all "compatible" which could easily run you into 400-500+ dollars.

Didn't want to get too heavy into computer speak so I left out a few details...I should've said more but it was very late.

THIRDLY the second stick of RAM you recommended was fucking SODIMM I.E Laptop memory.

2 things:

for one, people MIGHT be running it on a laptop, so I threw in two different types of ram.

secondly, a friend of mine gave me the link to it and I didn't bother checking it out, he plays games on his laptop so it didn't click to me that I should've checked the site to see what type of ram it was as opposed to blindly posting the link... being lazy/tired does effect people.

God please dont advise unless you know what your talking about. No Offense

next time i'll be more "specific" with details.

[ This Message was edited by: kazuma56 on 2006-07-13 20:49 ]

Well to be fair what if he HAD gone out and bought those components by listening to your knowledge, unbeknownst to him you didnt know anything about his motherboard or other components, he wouldve had the right to be pissed at you and you wouldve looked a massive retard. I was lending a hand and trying to stop people making mistakes so don't have a go at me but my point still stands, don't try and recommend things if you don't know shit.

1. The x800 is still a fast card but lacks Features

2. He clearly Isnt running a server OR using ECC registered memory

3. If he IS using a laptop why are you recommending a graphics card? Also do you know the speed of his current memory to recommend another stick of memory? Or do you even know what the fastest memory his motherboard can take?

If anyone needs actual help just personal message me and i'll try and help you. If not try Violetskye he knows more than me. Just a little bit more http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Fleece on 2006-07-14 02:56 ]

tank1

Jul 14, 2006, 05:57 AM

Must be becuas e consle gamers save more money Not quite always the case ive basically had the same PC for ten years ive just upgraded it every four or so (about to upgrade again) though my point is i go to computer fairs to get my parts etc. This means that it cost's a fraction of say what "PC world" would charge a recent example woulod be my last upgrade in 02 that set me back around 200 pounds or around $370 american. which is still alot cheaper or breaking even compared to buying a new PS3 or next gen console.

[ This Message was edited by: tank1 on 2006-07-14 03:58 ]

kazuma56

Jul 14, 2006, 06:07 AM

Actually, no one wanted to know anything, I was just showing that its POSSIBLE to play PSU at its bare minimum and it would run you less then the cost of a PS3.

If you were reading up until my post, you would notice Saiffy was saying that you could upgrade your PC for the price of the PS3, in which I then backed him up on, but that not playing PSU at maximum mind you, but at minimum to slightly better then the PS2 version.

ShinMaruku

Jul 14, 2006, 12:15 PM

As I said if they just want minor preformcne that's just platform refusal. Nothign more nothingless even in thsi where the diffrnece won't be too great. But anybody who get top of the line Graphicvs card and ram come to bithc bought the PS3 price they deserve to be ignored.

Sev

Jul 14, 2006, 01:16 PM

On 2006-07-14 10:15, ShinMaruku wrote:
As I said if they just want minor preformcne that's just platform refusal. Nothign more nothingless even in thsi where the diffrnece won't be too great. But anybody who get top of the line Graphicvs card and ram come to bithc bought the PS3 price they deserve to be ignored.

You don't get it do you? It has nothing to do with it being a console...

I'm not going to pay $600 to just play games. I'm not doing it. My PC does more then just play games, that's why I've put money into it. For the price of a PS3 I can obviously make a PC that will do way more then that console. No doubts in my mind, simply becasue a console is there mostly for games and some media functionallity. Meanwhile a PC can just about do it all.

I ain't got a problem with consoles, that's where i started and I still love 'em. I'm just telling you that I think the price is sorta ridiculous just to play games. They wasted money on all kinds of shit, some of it that isn't going to enhance my gaming experience, and when it comes down to it I'm buying a console to play games. I don't want it to be a media center, that's just how I feel about it so I can't see how someone can tell me not to talk about the consoles price.

As for getting a comp to run PSU at the bare minimum, for $600 I can most likely build a PC that'll run it at max. At the least it'll be on medium settings and you'll get more out of that PC then any console. Now if you just wanna play games and nothing else, then stick to consoles. 360 if you want the graphics, PS3 if you want the graphics++, and PS2 if you just wanna play the game as cheap as possible. You don't need to be a PC elitist to use logic. That's all I'm doin.

Carlo210

Jul 14, 2006, 03:14 PM

I don't know what else you need a 500$ graphics card for other than gaming. Unless you video edit professionally or work in animation, then buying 500$ card won't make your pc any more 'versatile' than it was with a 50$ card. DVD qualty movies play flawlessly on my intel 3 650 mhz with 8mb graphics, so you can't tell me that that is why you need a better video card (although a low end card is ideal for features).
We bought a pc for the den 6 months ago and it costed 200 bucks from scratch. 3.2ghz celeron, 512mb ram, a case with a 400mhz power supply, and a mobo with integrated audio and video. It does everything great except for games. If I were to upgrade my pcs videocard for 500$, the only extra versatility I'd get is the ability to play games.
I do agree that pcs do more than consoles, but building a pc that does almost everything great except for games costs very little. Getting a videocard to run the lastest games costs 500$. At that point, it's the same rough price as a console.

Kyuu

Jul 14, 2006, 03:34 PM

Ranting about videocards that cost $500 only shows ignorance. You can get a videocard that will run PSU, and even Oblivion and Doom 3 and UT and Farcry and whatever, more than fine for $200 or less. Not to mention, there's a whole lot more to a computer than the videocard, or even the videocard and the CPU. A good motherboard makes a huge difference performance-wise, as well as having at least 1GB of quality RAM. Oh, and the integrated audio on most motherboards is sub-par, and integrated video is just awful. You could buy a videocard for probably $75 that would do you better than the integrated video on a mobo.

The point he was trying to make, anyway, is that a computer can do many things other than play games, and there's no need to have a console that is trying to be a personal computer by trying to do all these things other than play games. Why do I want to pay extra money for features on a console that I can already do better on my computer?

Also, the cell processors are way overhyped. They've yet to have an actual E3 demo of a game that was actually running off a real PS3. And to do half the things they claim cell processors can do, it requires absurdly complex and time-consuming programming. You're essentially going to be paying $600 to be beta testing these new processors that can't even be put to good use yet (if they ever can be). Add in the proprietary Blu-Ray discs (that will cause PS3 games to cost more), the rediculous "feature" where once you've played a game in a console, that game disc will only work in that one console (meaning you can't let friends borrow your games, and you can't ever buy used games or sell your old games), and the fact that it looks like an overgrown George Foreman grill, and you have one overpriced piece of junk.

That's just my opinion, of course. If you have $600 to blow, by all means, be Sony's good little puppet. ^_^

Also, just so you know Carlo210, there's no such thing as a 400mhz power supply. Power supplies are rated in watts, so I assume you meant a 400W power supply.

Carlo210

Jul 14, 2006, 03:44 PM

I was simply comparing a regular pcs price to a top of the line current-gen gaming pc.

I also agree about the cell processor and blue-ray discs.

Also, I meant watt. mhz was a typo/trail of though mishap.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-14 13:44 ]

Fleece

Jul 14, 2006, 04:01 PM

I got my x1600 card for 90 Pounds brand new and that runs Battlefield 2 on the highest settings with 4x Anisotropic High Quality Filtering enabled at 90 Frames per second. To be fair I once bought a top of the line card back before I didn't know better, 200 Pounds (400 Dollars if your american) i wish id spent on something else. If someone tells you to spend over 250 dollars on a graphics card Dont listen to them. They generally havn't played around with hardware much. Most people would be fine and very happy with games running at 60 - 100 Frames per second on medium-high quality and when time comes again that they need to upgrade a few years later they can buy the card that was then 600 dollars for a now measly 150-180 bucks/pounds.

People buy High End Cards because they Feel they need to or don't know any better.

Ask any technician they'll probably tell you that or they'll tell you how they put those cards in the machines they build for other people so they can push the machines price up and people more often than not WILL pay for it.

The only thing you have to know is that you NEVER go for a top end card if your on a budget just go for the one thats a model or two below the flagship card. Never go for the top end cards or the Low end cards both are disappointing for your money. One will not give you what you pay for and the other will be cheap but generally be too slow a year later. Midrange is generally best for your cash.

Sorry if it seems a bit jambled or not to the point I got distracted part way through.

kazuma56

Jul 15, 2006, 12:39 AM

the rediculous "feature" where once you've played a game in a console, that game disc will only work in that one console (meaning you can't let friends borrow your games, and you can't ever buy used games or sell your old games)

This was a rumor which Sony offically shot down, unless there is another "source" outside of the rumor mill that actually makes it factual.

ShinMaruku

Jul 15, 2006, 01:01 AM

On 2006-07-14 13:34, Kyuu wrote:
Ranting about videocards that cost $500 only shows ignorance. You can get a videocard that will run PSU, and even Oblivion and Doom 3 and UT and Farcry and whatever, more than fine for $200 or less. Not to mention, there's a whole lot more to a computer than the videocard, or even the videocard and the CPU. A good motherboard makes a huge difference performance-wise, as well as having at least 1GB of quality RAM. Oh, and the integrated audio on most motherboards is sub-par, and integrated video is just awful. You could buy a videocard for probably $75 that would do you better than the integrated video on a mobo.

The point he was trying to make, anyway, is that a computer can do many things other than play games, and there's no need to have a console that is trying to be a personal computer by trying to do all these things other than play games. Why do I want to pay extra money for features on a console that I can already do better on my computer?

Also, the cell processors are way overhyped. They've yet to have an actual E3 demo of a game that was actually running off a real PS3. And to do half the things they claim cell processors can do, it requires absurdly complex and time-consuming programming. You're essentially going to be paying $600 to be beta testing these new processors that can't even be put to good use yet (if they ever can be). Add in the proprietary Blu-Ray discs (that will cause PS3 games to cost more), the rediculous "feature" where once you've played a game in a console, that game disc will only work in that one console (meaning you can't let friends borrow your games, and you can't ever buy used games or sell your old games), and the fact that it looks like an overgrown George Foreman grill, and you have one overpriced piece of junk.

That's just my opinion, of course. If you have $600 to blow, by all means, be Sony's good little puppet. ^_^

Now this is all funny, all I was saying if one pays $600 on a vidcard then god knows how much on 3 gigs of Ram, they can't wank bought price if you are not spending that much you need not apply.
Now as for your remarks bout the Cell and the fact which you can not play used game is all FUD.
They shown games running off the thing, you can play used games where you got that from, the Cell isbeing used by the Military and the Medical industry! Worthless? Nope it's even powering TVs.
IBM and Toshiba also helped in devoping in the cell so don't just label it as Sony's trash.
http://www.research.ibm.com/cell/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_%28microprocessor%29#Home_cinema
The Cell trash? Now that's a prety daft assumption.
The price is a bit crazy I'll give them that but for what it has $500 is understandable.
They shoudl rescale the price then see what p[eople would bitch about becuase they'd bitch bout somthing

Kyuu

Jul 15, 2006, 02:17 AM

Apart from the fact that I could only understand half of what you said...

Oh wow! They use cell processors in TVs?! That one meager sentence in a Wikipedia (which is hardly a reliable source of rock-solid info, seeing as how anyone and their dog can post something there) proves... what exaclty? Also, I could care less about what the military and medical industry are doing with it, it has zero relevance to the Playstation 3. As of now, using cell processors is pricey, difficult to program for, and doesn't really do all that much.

I didn't say cell processors don't have potential, but as of now they have little worth over other much cheaper and easier to use processors. Most of what cell processors can "do" is theoretical, and has not actually been demonstrated. And unless something has changed very recently, Sony has never used an actual PS3 to power any of their demos. Please give me a link to something that says otherwise, as I would be very interested to read about it actually.

And anyways... who the hell is talking about spending $600 on a videocard and then topping it off with 3 gigabytes of RAM? There's little to argue with here, because I've not seen anyone but you talking about it. You can spend $600 on an entire computer system that could PSU just fine.

Tuxedose

Jul 15, 2006, 06:36 AM

OKay okay so many people say that Ps2 will bring psu down right? Well It wont. Okay so no hard drive okay so when it comes to updates small updates will be saved for memory card. If sonic team will make BIG changes to the game they will probably only do it online or realease a ver 2 disc. And if they only do it online then they can make the changes only at the server and the broadband would stream the stuff to the ps2 just whiles using them. Look at Guild Wars they use a system like that for the whole game and its working. Can work the same with psu. If sonic team makes ver 2 discs and such as with pso then they can probably make it for ps2 or go with a ps3 version if they see the possibiliy. Either will probably be great. So ps2 will not bring down updates. If it would then Sonic team would have waied longer to make the game for next gen or something.

Ok so graphics?? No problem Ps2 graphics is very great of course pc will be a bit sharper but the most diffrence wil be the resolution at that does not matter to much at least I dont think so.

Ok so the rest?? Well no matter the platform (ps2,pc or 360) Psu will be a very very great game. I think its that simple. Sure I love the ps2 the most but I dont think that the game will be less good at any other platform cause its not the consoles or pc that makes good games its the developers that do. And I can tell you that Sonic Team is going to take alot better care of psu than than they did pso.

[ This Message was edited by: Tuxedose on 2006-07-15 06:16 ]

scott1114

Jul 15, 2006, 08:47 AM

The textures look a bit too sharp though on PS2 so I hope the smooth textures will bring the graphics at the same or near the ones of the PC

ShinMaruku

Jul 15, 2006, 11:13 AM

Once again I'm misunderstood if you ain't doing that you need not apply. And if one want s to only game with the PSU on the PC that's a phyrric effort in my view. But asa you could not comprehend the use of the cell I can see why you'd support a phyric effort.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 15, 2006, 11:16 AM

On 2006-07-12 22:36, MAGNUShunter wrote:

On 2006-07-12 22:23, DizzyDi wrote:

On 2006-07-12 22:11, MAGNUShunter wrote:
DizzyDi,

Did you play Gunvalkyrie for XBOX? It's graphics were better than PSU's will be, and it came out in 2002!

Not really. I think you need to compare the screenshots side by side before you say something like that.
And, PS2 isn't stopping PC and 360 PSU from having better effects. Just look at FFXI for PC, better resolution, draw distance, spell effects, and other things.
I also agree with yous guys that yeah, PSU should be next-gen, but I don't think its gunna happen within the next 2-4 years.

No, no, no. Anyone can look at screenshots! lol. Have you PLAYED IT! Those screenshots are crap! That game was awesome. (it's a sleeper, and HARD at first, like pno3 so read up before you go buy it. IGN actually changed their review on it after a few weeks and gave it a better score. People just did't get it at first. i digress)
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ANYWAY. Here are some good quality scans from Gunvalkyrie. These were all done using real-time rendering on xbox hardware 4 years ago.
IGN REVIEW:
http://xbox.ign.com/objects/016/016255.html

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8493/wpgv031024gc3.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpgv031024gc3.jpg)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7541/untitledeq2.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledeq2.png)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7051/gunvalkyrie004asdfyr1.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie004asdfyr1.jpg)http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7892/gunvalkyrie004tt3.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie004tt3.jpg)http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7097/7to4.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7to4.jpg)http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/444/10bf7.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10bf7.jpg)http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2385/gunvalkyrieni6.th.gif (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrieni6.gif)http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6876/gunvalkyrie02yz6.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie02yz6.jpg)http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3193/wall02in8.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall02in8.jpg)

I just want to hear someone say that PSU looks better so I can laugh.
But again, dont get me wrong, Im sure we will all enjoy PSU for what it is.
Blessings.

Fou

Jul 15, 2006, 12:18 PM

.....Ok after takin that all in here my 2 cents i agree that the ps2 my be lil inferior for graphics ,and how its gonna update i have no idea hopin that'll all be done sever side not gonna worry about it. I believe it was said earlier that if was gonna be a problem they woulda waited for the ps2. Personally i dont mind graphics all that much i noticed that when ppl started lovin graphics more than the game everything thing turned into a freakin lightshow and the games only lasted about 15 hours compared to the older games that had more in it cause graphics didnt take over. I played Gunvalkyrie i liked tho it was bit diffrent but my point is are you not gonna play PSU i still think its an improvment over its old pso counterparts but I'll stop my rant now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

MAGNUShunter

Jul 15, 2006, 02:05 PM

Of course we will play PSU being fans of the game. But remember, while we do keep straying toward the GRAPHICS conversation, that's only because graphics are an easier thing to point out. Every aspect of the game is affected by the hardware. Forget graphics for a think about the other items we have discussed as well. Remember that it is hard to have a discussion when people (repeatedly) ignore what was previously said. Look all the good games that are making groun out there. Remember all the awards PSO won for programming and innovation? Look at all the current games out there beaking ground.
An example: Imagine if "The Matrix: Revolutions" was released using Special FX technology from 1985. Imagine how many die hard fans people would have been let down.
If you were a good sprinter and you were running a race, how would you feel if you got chained to a person who did not have the capabilities you had? If you had to constantly slow down and make sure you werent running to far ahead?
Yeah, I need sleep.

DizzyDi

Jul 15, 2006, 02:08 PM

On 2006-07-15 09:16, MAGNUShunter wrote:

ANYWAY. Here are some good quality scans from Gunvalkyrie. These were all done using real-time rendering on xbox hardware 4 years ago.
IGN REVIEW:
http://xbox.ign.com/objects/016/016255.html

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8493/wpgv031024gc3.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpgv031024gc3.jpg)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7541/untitledeq2.th.png (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledeq2.png)http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7051/gunvalkyrie004asdfyr1.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie004asdfyr1.jpg)http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7892/gunvalkyrie004tt3.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie004tt3.jpg)http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/7097/7to4.th.jpg (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7to4.jpg)http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/444/10bf7.th.jpg (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10bf7.jpg)http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/2385/gunvalkyrieni6.th.gif (http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrieni6.gif)http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6876/gunvalkyrie02yz6.th.jpg (http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunvalkyrie02yz6.jpg)http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3193/wall02in8.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall02in8.jpg)

I just want to hear someone say that PSU looks better so I can laugh.
But again, dont get me wrong, Im sure we will all enjoy PSU for what it is.
Blessings.

Go ahead and laugh cause I'm saying PSU looks a helluvalot better than that.

Saner

Jul 15, 2006, 03:53 PM

most of thsoe pics are just promotional art anyways.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 15, 2006, 04:42 PM

On 2006-07-15 13:53, Saner wrote:
most of thsoe pics are just promotional art anyways.

All of the pic's, promotional or no, use the in game engine for rendering the image-meaning (like I said...*looks confused at own signature*)that is the way the character looks IN GAME.

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-15 14:47 ]

Kyuu

Jul 15, 2006, 04:55 PM

As far as the comparison to Gun Valkyrie goes... first of all, most of those are promotional ART pictures. One is even a scan of the box. Only a couple are actual in-game shots, and they're so tiny you can hardly see anything.

However, I don't need to look at those shots to compare it anyway, as I have played Gun Valkyrie. Gun Valkyrie is a beautiful game with some really incredible art direction. Comapared to the PS2 version, yes, Gun Valkyrie looks better in almost every way. Seeing as how it was developed for the XBox, which is technically superior to the PS2, that should be fairly obvious. On the other hand, the PC (assuming you have a PC with sufficient power, of course) and 360 versions of PSU will sport higher res textures, no jaggies, better draw distances, more particles and lighting effects, and probably have a few extra polygons thrown in here and there.

Unless you've actually played PSU on a PC or 360, you can't really make a valid comparison of the graphics, as blurry youtube.com videos are hardly a fair basis for comparison. Also, PSU and Gun Valkyrie have very different art styles.

PSU looks quite beautiful to me. I've loved the art in every PS game to date (except for maybe PS3), and PSU is no exception. I really couldn't care less whether it's "next-gen" or not.

Wewt

Jul 15, 2006, 10:16 PM

Can't believe I read all of this.

I agree on points made by MAGNUShunter and Carlo210. I won't try to convince people that PSU's development is limited by PS2, because people have shown they won't listen.

OK, I changed my mind. When you have more space and power with the platform you're developing for with more money and time, you can do more with a game. It's really that simple. With the PS2, space and power has been severely limited. Stop saying PS2 cannot limit what this game can do because it was designed initially for the PS2. This is just a very narrow-minded way of thinking.

PSU could still be fun if it was still on the Dreamcast, sure, but it's a far better option to have it on a more powerful platform wouldn't you all agree? This nonsense about it still being a Phantasy Star branded game and you will all still buy it is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the original subject.

Carlo210

Jul 15, 2006, 10:50 PM

Wewt, are you playing on 360?

Wewt

Jul 15, 2006, 10:53 PM

Most likely going to be PC. I prefer to play my online games on PC if I have a choice.

I also don't even have an Xbox 360, and have no plans to get one ;o

Earthsunderer

Jul 15, 2006, 10:57 PM

Stop saying PS2 cannot limit what this game can do because it was designed initially for the PS2. This is just a very narrow-minded way of thinking.
But it is still the truth, isn't it? And I also do wonder... Why is this so much of a concern to the people who don't want this game tp be on the Playstation 2?
They will still get their content, whenever SEGA deems it time, the graphics on their gaming system (PC or X-Box 360) will probably be superior, instead of needing to download eventual patches on some memory sticks, they'll save it on the harddrive and all that fancy stuff.

Why complain?

It surely can't be just because the PS 2 is going to be linked with the PC, and the X-Box 360 is not.

And SEGA simply won't wait till the arrival of the Playstation 3 and hope that enough people will buy that expensive gaming console. They want the money as soon as possible. They've spent enough time with the development of Phantasy Star Universe, they feel it's ready. They do want make more money. They think that every moment they do not gain money, they lose money. Why should they think about waiting any longer with PSU and let this opportunity pass?

It was designed for the Playstation 2 in the beginning. That's what they still will do. They will bring it out on the Playstation 2. And they will link it with the PC.

Now, they're even going to bring it out on the X-Box 360. Isn't this cool for the X-Box 360-owners?

Carlo210

Jul 15, 2006, 10:59 PM

If they link us, it'd be very cool. If they don't link us, it's not as cool as it could be because there is the chance that PSU360 could be treaten as PSOX.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-15 21:00 ]

Wewt

Jul 15, 2006, 11:19 PM

Earthsunderer, do you prefer to get good service, or fan-fucking-tastic service from your monthly subscription fees you pay to Sega?

Don't get me wrong. I'll buy the product Sega present to me with, but it doesn't mean I cannot discuss any of the "what could have been" scenarios does it? Even if it may be futile to discuss it, as it's already been shown in this topic, you could say I just have steam to blow off.

Carlo210

Jul 15, 2006, 11:45 PM

There probably isn't a way I could see myself paying 10-13$ a month if PSU360 turns out to be like PSOX. What I mean is: 1 - Legit players are scarce and 2 - updates are scarce.
There is no reason why SEGA should've charged PSO players full-price for the half-a*sed online community/experience they had compared to other versions of the game.
If after a year or so, PSU360 goes the path of PSOX , I won't be wanting to support ST one bit.
Some people clench on to the game and find legit players to play with, but for 10-13$ a month, it is nowhere near worth it.

[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-15 21:49 ]

MAGNUShunter

Jul 16, 2006, 12:18 AM

On 2006-07-15 20:16, Wewt wrote:
Can't believe I read all of this.

I agree on points made by MAGNUShunter and Carlo210. I won't try to convince people that PSU's development is limited by PS2, because people have shown they won't listen.

OK, I changed my mind. When you have more space and power with the platform you're developing for with more money and time, you can do more with a game. It's really that simple. With the PS2, space and power has been severely limited. Stop saying PS2 cannot limit what this game can do because it was designed initially for the PS2. This is just a very narrow-minded way of thinking.

PSU could still be fun if it was still on the Dreamcast, sure, but it's a far better option to have it on a more powerful platform wouldn't you all agree? This nonsense about it still being a Phantasy Star branded game and you will all still buy it is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the original subject.

Well, weather you agree or not. Thank you for actually READING the topic. This whole thread is a perfect example of the old "hearing me not listening to me" frustration.

DizzyDi

Jul 16, 2006, 12:23 AM

On 2006-07-15 20:16, Wewt wrote:
Can't believe I read all of this.

I agree on points made by MAGNUShunter and Carlo210. I won't try to convince people that PSU's development is limited by PS2, because people have shown they won't listen.

OK, I changed my mind. When you have more space and power with the platform you're developing for with more money and time, you can do more with a game. It's really that simple. With the PS2, space and power has been severely limited. Stop saying PS2 cannot limit what this game can do because it was designed initially for the PS2. This is just a very narrow-minded way of thinking.

PSU could still be fun if it was still on the Dreamcast, sure, but it's a far better option to have it on a more powerful platform wouldn't you all agree? This nonsense about it still being a Phantasy Star branded game and you will all still buy it is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the original subject.

Isn't it narrow-minded saying that the PS2 is limiting PSU when we've been shown that the PS2 can still pump out some good stuff ON PAR with the XBOX. I don't think saying that PSU was made for PS2 so therefore PS2 isn't limiting it is not being narrow-minded. I just stating a fact.

MAGNUShunter

Jul 16, 2006, 12:42 AM

Did you just say "ON PAR with the XBOX"???
Just asking.
I mean I have never seen a game of, like say, Halo quality on PS2.
Is that really what you actually meant?

[ This Message was edited by: MAGNUShunter on 2006-07-15 22:43 ]

Wewt

Jul 16, 2006, 12:47 AM

On 2006-07-15 22:23, DizzyDi wrote:
Isn't it narrow-minded saying that the PS2 is limiting PSU when we've been shown that the PS2 can still pump out some good stuff ON PAR with the XBOX. I don't think saying that PSU was made for PS2 so therefore PS2 isn't limiting it is not being narrow-minded. I just stating a fact.

I don't mean to bash on your post, but you've seem to have left some words out in some sentences >_>

You meant the original Xbox, right? I don't care about the Xbox. PS2 is not on par with the 360 and powerful PC's available today, in July of the year 2006, the other two formats that allow PSU to be played on.

Let's not try to confuse innovation and design with technical power also.

You're only as strong as your weakest link. In other words, PSU will only be as good as the PS2 will allow it to be, technically.

Please bear in mind I am only talking about the abilities of the PS2, Xbox 360 and PC. I am not talking about whatever specific quest/mission/blah blah Sonic Team's going to bring out.

Blackwaltz-R

Jul 16, 2006, 12:47 AM

This may have already been stated in passed threads, ps2 has the largest established consumer base so froma business standpoint it makes the most sense to release it on this platform since we can't forget that developing games is not cheap. Establishing the franchise on multiple platforms is also for the sake of reaching a consumer base on platforms that either had few or no PS franchises on them to raise awareness of its existence with little or no advertising. They gotta hope people notice it when they browse the shelves for their next title of their choice platform, you can't ignore the business aspects of the gaming industry.

Carlo210

Jul 16, 2006, 01:25 AM

Blackwaltz, we know WHY ST is releasing it on the ps2. That has nothing to bear with anything we are talking about here.

kazuma56

Jul 16, 2006, 01:54 AM

I think that ST (I probably stated this before) just isn't ready for the "next gen" cycle to release a game like PSU on it, not only are they developing the next Sonic game on both the PS3 and 360, they are also creating FPS (5th phantom Saga) on the PS3 as well as sonic "wildfire" on the Wii (although techincally, not next gen in terms of graphical prowess) which means that the development time for each game would mean more money is needed, and they probably dont want to spend more then 5 years and it ends up being crap (or becomes a sleeper hit) just to add more time to "rehaul" the PSU game engine.

Before PSU was even made I was hearing rumors by JP players that ST was working on a "new" PS game that would be like PSIV but online (some were saying MMO), and that was near 4-5 years ago... so while the game was being made ST probably didn't THINK the next gen would arrive before the game was completed (I even think Yuji Naka said something about it arriving to early as well) thus developed it for the PS2 because at the time, games like the GT series and various SCEA games had a visual quality that could "match" the Xbox, which was the most graphically enhanced system at the time.

Remeber when PSU was first announced/shown many believed it was arrving on all 3 consoles, it was at last years (or maybe 2 years ago) TGS or E3 that they said it was PS2/PC only (probably already got their 360 dev kits by that time) and cancelled it on the other 2 platforms.

What i'm trying to get at is, even though the PS2 will hinder the other 2, its because the 3rd option didn't exist at the time of development and neither did all the "advancements" in graphics either, unless ST sees the benefit in "rebuilding" the games graphical engine to match that of the coming gen, then I find it kind of pointless to debate about...would it be nice? sure it would, will the bickering of us on this board somehow make it happen or prove useful at all? no, ST has already stated that PSU is their "next step" in the ORPG world so maybe by PSU V2 or PSU episode 2 we will hear rumors of a true PSU MMO on PS3 or whatever console/system that can handle the game at true HD resolutions and run above 30fps with more then 6 people on screen.

[ This Message was edited by: kazuma56 on 2006-07-15 23:59 ]