PS2 Chat

[Mitri]

what up. i wanted to know if the ps2 is going to have the option of using a headset. at all.

[Sevenfold]

The ps2 does have a headset to begin with right?

[Carlo210]

The ps2 uses a logitech usb headset. It's purchased seperately and is of 'meh' quality.

[drkoolguy]

Doubt it. I hope not. I'd rather not lissen to a bunch of random people. I can just use vent.

[XredX]

lol idk i dont like hearing ppl saying there better then other ppl and thinking there all that just annoys me, but ether way im not a talketive person so i agree with Drk

[Kimil]

Try PSO on XBOX live... gawd damn, so many anoying flamers and little kids screaming in the lobbies

[Sevenfold]

On 2006-07-11 00:07, Kimil wrote:
Try PSO on XBOX live... gawd damn, so many anoying flamers and little kids screaming in the lobbies



Perhaps they didnt get what they wanted for Christmas.

[Saner]

Keyboard = everyone can read and know what you're saying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

Headset = only headset users can hear you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/ducky.gif


overall, keyboard has better advantages.

[Sinue_v2]

That's not a very good list...

Though I do also prefer text chat to voice chat...

As for the question, I can't say no definitively, but I'd be damned surprised if the PS2 version of PSU was voice capable. It hasn't really been used or even mentioned since Socom II lost steam... so it's not like the market is there to support the implimentation of such a feature.

[Saner]

FF11 as well as other MMORPGS are keyboard only and no one complains about using text.

I mean take this board for example, not as many would be talking here if it was completely voice chat, or even both text and voice, the voice chat section would always have the fewest people in a room.

Xbox360 will have voice support cause because headsets with Xbox are like a culture in itself. but like FF11, some will be convinced to use keyboard if they plan on playing with others who don't use headset.

[Sinue_v2]

Internet bulliten boards and FFXI are poor compairisons...

People would post here more often reguardless since not everyone is on at the same time - and the different forums offer a structure to the discussions that doesn't really exist in chat rooms.

FFXI is a much different game, and nowhere near as fast paced as PSU is going to be. The more "twitch" you include into the gameplay - the less time you have to stop and type. This is why text-chat in FPS's largely died out. PSU isn't on FPS's twitch level yet... but certain situation will undoubtably arise where text chat is prohibitive, yet optimal for voice chat.

[Saner]

keyboard chat while playing a real-time battle system is an art.


even not fast typers can type with one hand while doing some movement and/or actions.

it's just a matter knowing when to type and how, etc. etc. based on the situation.

[Sinue_v2]

Yeah, but not everyone wants to learn that "art".. and thus, will find voice chat a more convienient option. To a certain digree, I see it as a good thing - since it opens up PSU to a wider audience who otherwise might not get the full enjoyment out of the game due to the restrictions of text chat.

I'm not one of those people... but hey.. my tastes aren't everyones. If they were, Adventure games would still be a top genre. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Saner]

ya well if they want headset, 360 is the way to go.

PS2 really doesn't have a concentrated market for voice chat.

[drkoolguy]

Once again, if you want to use voice, i suggest you get PC and vent.

[leonramar]

What about all the people who can't afford a PS2 let alone headsets and keyboards? Will anyone still play on GC...?

[Earthsunderer]

Why do you refer to the Gamecube? Isn't the X-Box 360 the more expensive game console compared to the Playstation 2? Last I know, there aren't any plans for porting Phantasy Star Universe to the Nintendo Gamecube.

[Saner]

Gamecube won't get it. Wii might, but that version is probably a year from now.
who would wanna wait that long when they could get it for PS2 or PC? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

just trade in your gamecube and games for PS2. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Jife_Jifremok]

On 2006-07-11 01:14, Saner wrote:
keyboard chat while playing a real-time battle system is an art.


even not fast typers can type with one hand while doing some movement and/or actions.

it's just a matter knowing when to type and how, etc. etc. based on the situation.



This will probably depend largely on how many (or which) buttons and analog sticks need to be used at the same time. If there are often times in battle where you need to press attack buttons while moving and/or aiming with an analog stick, and possibly needing to control the camera on top of that (with the D-pad or another analog), I'm not going to do much in-battle typing.

[Saner]

actually the strafe button is also used to reset the camera behind you.

so you really dont need to use the manual camera control and you can just play like you do in PSO and Dynasty Warriors, which dont have manual camera rotation back then.

so in-battle typing can be as easy or complex depending on how you use the controls and stuff like that.

[tank1]

Voice chat is highly overrated IMO ive died so many times on Empires listening to someone on voice chat. There voice was so badly muffled etc i ended up walking into *insert nasty weapon here* line of fire while he was trying to tell me it was there.

[Carlo210]

It's not too overrated. If you ask me, it's got a pretty bad reputation here. Nobody likes to listen to andom people who have muffled voices. Same thing for people who type too fast and end up having messages you gotta read a couple times to udnerstand. Text messaging is also somewhat overrated in the same sense.
Voice chat is more personal and, imo, should only be actively used with friends/people you know/people you have experience with. Text messaging can be used with anyone, but it has its drawbacks as well.
Also, to those wo say voice chat is very annoying - it's not - under certain circumstances.
I've been in games on the 360 where no one was alking at all. I've also had some where the teammates were warning other plyers where the enemy was, and nothing more.
The thing that gets annoying is when two people start talking exclusively to eachother. It can get irritating, but the same thing happens with text messaging. It's not as irritating with text messaging, though (depending on if it's spammy or not). There are annoying people everywhere, and I've had my share of moments where I've started to get angry at a group of people who just kept talking on Diablo 2. "Use Pm!" I said.

Anywho, I think voicechat is better with friends because it's more personal and easy going. It's also good with nice people who you don't happen to know because when someone is being nice over their mic, it has a greater effect than reading it and assuming their emotion.
The thing with text messaging is it's extremely easy to talk with it. I mean, you don't worry aout if you're a good speaker or socialist or not - you just type and type.

Anywho, I'd be fine with text and voicechat, which is why the 360 better be linked. To those who don't want the 360 to be linked, come on. It's fine if you can't hear us. You should be able to activate xbox 360 players' voices by player, so you can hear your buddy and play with him/her.




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[tank1]

Dont get me wrong when it works and i can understand the man on the other side its great ive had my ass saved a few time by voice chat. Though ive been killed becasue of it a hell of alot more times.
I aslo dont mind noobs yelling like idiots over it either becasue i just reach for the volume control then it is problem solved.

[Earthsunderer]

Something very sophisticated and surely not makeable for the next five years would be a combination of both. You speak, and the computer writes your spoken text in written text, and all you have to do is perhaps to confirm the message before sending it, in case you need to correct a typo, because the computer didn't understand you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[tank1]

I think that has been done somewhere before i swear ive heard about the idea on some gadget show or something.

[CherryLunar]

On 2006-07-11 02:37, drkoolguy wrote:
Once again, if you want to use voice, i suggest you get PC and vent.



I agree.

If your PC can handle the game, and you have space, of course.

All the cool kids'll be doing it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sinue_v2]

just trade in your gamecube and games for PS2.

Worst advice ever... never trade in old games or systems in you can help it. You'll regret it later, and the money you get from them is neglegable.


I think that has been done somewhere before i swear ive heard about the idea on some gadget show or something.

I think there was an artical on GameGirl Advance awhile ago... you, like most people, probably read it when it was an editorial link to the REZ w/ "peripheral" review.

[Sev]

I'd rather just use a keyboard, when games start REQUIRING you to talk that's gonna be a bad time for me. For many reasons really.

I prefer using a keyboard because it's more convenient, and it's easier for people to understand what I'm saying. I use TS from time to time, but only with people in guilds, linkshells, or friends that I'm grouping wtih. I can't just talk to anybody because I don't like questions.

And yes, the main thing about voice chat is... Do you really think people want to hear you? Think about that for a second.

[Carlo210]

Many people on xboxlive understand that hearing people is annoying. Also, many people are jsut concentrated with playing that they don't want to talk. There are always the annoying people who talk uselessly, and those that mumble etc.
Maybe we should cast a vote?

[Nedeti]

On 2006-07-10 22:45, Sevenfold wrote:
The ps2 does have a headset to begin with right?



Well after the Sega Dreamcast, Playstation 2 is the next consol that has all the equipements e.g headset, mouse, gun, ddr, keyboard, wierd looking and yet cool edition controllers eg R.E 4 controller ect...

Well about the chat for the PS2, it will be like the Pc version, Keyboard only.

[Garroway]

I actualy enjoy having voice and text chat both available. I play FFXI on the 360 (when my 360 isn't somewhere in Texas getting repaired) and I found that having my personal friends on private chat while interacting with the world at large via the keyboard to be the preferred method. Xbox live in general is plagued by prepubescent brats using language that will get my children beaten to within an inch of their lives. However, having options is usualy preferrable to not having options I say.

[Mitri]

o. alright. i wasn't sure if i should buy a headset. thanks. and it would be nice for it to support it. like on the xbox version of PSO(had a hucast and fonewm in their late 130's. i miss X2) where you can block some people/characters from talking and only hear the ones that you want.

[Carlo210]

Overall, the voic chat feature was one thing that made PSOX stand out and many consider it a great posiive.

[Blackwaltz-R]

Generally the last thing you want to do is make it so people can be annoying hands-free and have to deal with muting and such.

[Oreic]

On 2006-07-11 00:46, Saner wrote:
Keyboard = everyone can read and know what you're saying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

Headset = only headset users can hear you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/ducky.gif


overall, keyboard has better advantages.



Thats like saying that morse code is more efficient than the telephone.=P

[Sevenfold]

On 2006-07-11 22:43, Oreic wrote:


On 2006-07-11 00:46, Saner wrote:
Keyboard = everyone can read and know what you're saying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

Headset = only headset users can hear you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/ducky.gif


overall, keyboard has better advantages.



Thats like saying that morse code is more efficient than the telephone.=P



Well duh http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif And my 14.4k modem owns your high speed connection. Derrrr.

[Carlo210]

It is true that reading text is easier to understand, but communicating a point or idea takes much longer.

[Jife_Jifremok]

On 2006-07-11 13:57, Saner wrote:
actually the strafe button is also used to reset the camera behind you.

so you really dont need to use the manual camera control and you can just play like you do in PSO and Dynasty Warriors, which dont have manual camera rotation back then.

so in-battle typing can be as easy or complex depending on how you use the controls and stuff like that.



Actually, in PSO (but not Dynasty Warriors) there were times when camera snap wasn't enough and I wished for manual camera control so I could see when certain enemies were using certain attacks, particularly when fighting the Gran Sorcerors. It also would have been nice to have actually been able to keep bosses in view while I avoided their attacks (Olga Flow in particular). In Monster Hunter the full-manual camera saved my ass and guided my attacks more times than can be expressed with an analogy. Now that manual camera's in PSU (and hopefully the auto-camera movements of PSO were nixed), who knows how often I'll use it. I guess it depends on what I'll be up against.

[Saner]

On 2006-07-11 22:43, Oreic wrote:


On 2006-07-11 00:46, Saner wrote:
Keyboard = everyone can read and know what you're saying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

Headset = only headset users can hear you. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/ducky.gif


overall, keyboard has better advantages.



Thats like saying that morse code is more efficient than the telephone.=P



well don't complain if a keyboard user can never hear you, while you can always read their messages. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Sinue_v2]

You can't always read their messages... expecially with the way many people type online, even in non-critical situations. It can also be quite cumbersome to scroll through chat-logs looking for what someone said because it moved past the screen too fast.

While not a good example against PSU, FFXI was notorious for this. You had to turn on a lot of your chat filters just to read anything - which meant you might miss out on important information in combat, a cry for help from another party, or a good deal outside of the AH. PSO/PSU's word-bubbles were a big help, but information still often got lost in the shuffle. Expecially with spammers around.

Personally, I've never had a problem with voice chat over Xbox Live. It's generally saved my life far more times than it's taken it. Kind of hard to form team strategies on the fly in an FPS or a similar "twitch" game while typing.

Again, I still prefer keyboard chat... but voice chat is nice as well. Having both options available would be preferable to only having one or the other.

[Ikubi]

As long as Voice chat isn't made into a public thing, meaning everyone in a lobby or something can hear you, i don't have a problem. Not to be rude, but everyone's voice isn't melodious. Not to mention(and no disrespect to foreigners, i have lots of foreign friends), that in my experience, when playing with int'l players, they are hard enough to understand on the keyboard. So if it's kept only person to person, and not a free for all, then i don't mind. ;D

[leonramar]

What I meant was, will anyone play PSO Ep. 1&2 for the gamecube after the release of PSU?

[tank1]

I doubt it if theyve got a choice betwenn Ep1&2 or PSU.

[chibiLegolas]

On the topic of chatting, does any of the beta testers know if they did away with customized button shortcuts? I for one prefer voice chat over text, but when I do need to type, the text button shortcuts were a huge help for me.

[Lyrise]

Customized text macros are still there, though it's no longer a one touch solution. (bring up your macros with F7 or control pad, and select the one you want to use)



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