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haven9270
Jul 17, 2006, 07:26 PM
Hello... new guy here with a question that hasn't been answered for a long time (asked in the wrong places):

I'm a Graphics Design college student planning to get myself a tablet PC.

And I found one and am planning to purchase it around later this month or early next month:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7727409&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01175&id=1140393564633

I'm not good with computer specs and all that so I wanna know if the tablet PC I'm gonna go for will run PSU and at what quality.

Thanks guys http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Saner
Jul 17, 2006, 07:32 PM
maybe not PC tablet. but maybe a vitamin C tablet! LOL! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


sorry I just couldn't help myself. did you find it funny too? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

VioletSkye
Jul 17, 2006, 07:37 PM
I'm sure it will run it, but whether or not it will play well at a descent resolution and visual setting could be unlikely. I just don't think an X600SE is going to be able to pull it off that well. The rest of your specs look great. The Pentium M is an awesome processor and 1GB of RAM is more than up to snuff. A similar question was asked about a system with 512MB and a Mobility X1400 and I was hestitant to say for sure it will run well (although it's entirely possible.) The X600 has 64MB of dedicated VRAM and uses up to 64MB of system memeory and with 1GB available that should be fine except that VRAM operates a bit differently than system RAM. System RAM is slower which can bog down gameplay and System RAM (unlike VRAM) can only be accessed by one device at a time (which is part of the reason why dedicated VRAM works so much better.) VRAM can be accessed by both the GPU and CPU at the same time, system RAM can't. With only 64MB of VRAM, it is likely system RAM will also be used and that could really start lagging the game.

This is all conjecture at this point, but something to keep in mind nonetheless.

Foxix
Jul 17, 2006, 07:38 PM
Saner http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif that was just bad.... *tsk tsk tsk*

Saner
Jul 17, 2006, 07:41 PM
On 2006-07-17 17:38, Foxix wrote:
Saner http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif that was just bad.... *tsk tsk tsk*



hey! didn't mean any harm. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

besides at least I indirectly bumped up this topic, helping it stay on teh first page so that knowledgeable people who know the answer,
would notice and help the topic creator with this question. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

anyways welcome to the board! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Saner on 2006-07-17 17:41 ]</font>

Foxix
Jul 17, 2006, 07:42 PM
good carp... even when your just acting silly your still smarter than me.

Saner
Jul 17, 2006, 07:54 PM
On 2006-07-17 17:42, Foxix wrote:
good carp... even when your just acting silly your still smarter than me.



hmmmmm in what way do you use 'good carp'?

are you calling me a good fish? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

or is that like a reactionary statement like "good lord" ? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Foxix
Jul 17, 2006, 08:30 PM
reactionary statement, <-- no i dea what that means but yes. It is like an interjection, like saying good lord.

lets not get into this again, http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_chicken.gif I am still trying to figure out how I became a http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif

Kyuu
Jul 17, 2006, 08:34 PM
On 2006-07-17 17:54, Saner wrote:

hmmmmm in what way do you use 'good carp'?

are you calling me a good fish? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

or is that like a reactionary statement like "good lord" ? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I believe he meant it in the latter manner. He has previously stated he uses the word "carp" in place of other things, so "good carp" would equal "good lord" or something similar.

In any case, it's difficult to say if it will run well. As Violetskye said, everything looks good except for the videocard, which is the crux of the issue. However, I'd say it's likely it will run fine as long as you keep the resolution down, as high res textures are what eat up most of your VRAM. Don't expect blazing-fast frame-rates though.

VAL-0251
Jul 17, 2006, 09:41 PM
The specs look fine. I don't see why the game shouldn't run. The only real issue is how the touch-sensitive screen on your Tablet will react if it's hit while PSU is in the foreground. 90% chance, nothing happens, but I've heard of some tablet PCs doing some really retarded things with certain programs when they sense touch.

If that's the case, you can see if there's a way to turn off touch detection until you need it. If you do that, your tablet PC is just like any other laptop.



On 2006-07-17 17:32, Saner wrote:
maybe not PC tablet. but maybe a vitamin C tablet! LOL! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Next time you think about saying something like this...please don't.

Nuclearranger
Jul 17, 2006, 10:26 PM
If you can up the Graphics card *if they offer that* do it... PSUs minimum. specs. Are shockingly close to your card. If you do get it "as is" you might be forced to see the game in a little less clarity as the rest of us.
You will need to do the following to get less lag in gameplay *If you dont know* n.n
1. To play the game at a lower resolution. 600x800 is the new standard *low* but older games do go to 680x420? somthing like that XD but PSO-PC and BB could both go that low so you should be fine there.
2. Look at the game options there are a few that might be on that are realy hard on cards.
a. Antialising -spelling? This gets rid of the the pixley look of games but makes the card Redo everything.
b. antisotropic -spelling again? This makes game clearer at distanced since there are less pixles to show objects in the distance this helps Again makeing the card redo Frames.
c. *i doubt this* HDR (high dynamic range) lighting This makes relistic lighting reflections ext. but PSU looks like a Lower quality game graphics wise anyway so this shouldnt be in it.
d. Texture size. With your 64mb as VL said. This ajusts the sise of images wraped on moddles. bigger the texture the more detail that can go into it. But the bigger they are the more Vram they take causing more lag ext.
e. There could be GAME spacific things like IDK photon trails, lighing, em... Draw distance. all of thease can help you run more smoothly.

haven9270
Jul 18, 2006, 12:31 PM
Thanks for the info so far

The reason I'm asking this is because I got a PS2 but if the tablet PC I'm gonna go for can handle it in a way that it at least looks identical to PS2 quality, then I'll go for the PC version.
Anything lower and I'll grab the PS2 version.


I only play import games (mostly PSOBB and Falcom) on my PC and I'm not really interested on those overly realistic specs-hungry games. PSU would be a great addition to my video game library http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Saner
Jul 18, 2006, 02:52 PM
I believe he meant it in the latter manner. He has previously stated he uses the word "carp" in place of other things, so "good carp" would equal "good lord" or something similar.



he still calls me a fowl (bird) though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

EtherForce
Jul 18, 2006, 03:01 PM
If it's the PS2 vs that laptop, I'd go for the ps2 version because the laptop is more likely to have graphic issues, not only that it will probably start to sound like a wind tunnel the longer you play the game and the computer starts to get hot. As stated before, the graphics card is the major issue. The other specs are fine but Gateway, Dell, etc. tend to hold back on their graphics cards, especially in laptops.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: EtherForce on 2006-07-18 13:04 ]</font>

Saner
Jul 18, 2006, 03:03 PM
well the topic creator specified they are planning on getting a labtop.

they won't change their mind. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



and don't labtops overheat quicker than PCs?

EtherForce
Jul 18, 2006, 03:10 PM
On 2006-07-18 13:03, Saner wrote:
well the topic creator specified they are planning on getting a labtop.

they won't change their mind. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



I see, and I believe they also asked wether they should get the ps2 version or the PC version for the uh, 'labtop,' heh heh.

Fleece
Jul 18, 2006, 03:47 PM
Nah that laptop will run PSU on standard settings and a few high, the x600 card is good it just lacks some features so dont expect to play anything like F.E.A.R on high settings Lol BUT for PSU itll be alright, Trust Me. As VioletSkye said though your video may jerk occasionally on games as 64 MB of the video memory is on card 64MB is on the system RAM but PSU wont need many resources anyway, It is a game engine Designed for the playstation 2 after all Try FF 11 if you want some indication of how it will run they both are very heavy on the PS2 hardware so if its a good port like FF was then itll take about the same specs. Probably just a tiny bit above FF 11's. I believe theres a FF benchmark kicking about somewhere if you want some kind of idea.

Im tired and ranting on LOL Sorry

Fleece
Jul 18, 2006, 03:49 PM
I Forgot to mention there are laptops on the net much cheaper and much faster than that one you stated, 1500 dollars is kindve extreme for that quality. I've seen ones on ebay faster than that for 800 dollars.

haven9270
Jul 18, 2006, 08:11 PM
Thanks

But the priority of the purchase was the tablet PC side of things.
I thought it would be great if it can run PSU on max settings.

And depending on how well it can run PSU is what's gonna make me decide which version of PSU I would purchase - but it's no big deal if that tablet PC I showed you cannot pwn the PSU requirements as I'll have a tablet PC either way (YAY).

The only catch would be that I'd have t buy a PS2 USB keyboard:P

Kyuu
Jul 18, 2006, 08:36 PM
Well you certainly won't be running it at max settings on the tablet PC. However, it will probably run at the same visual quality as the PS2 version, or slightly better, just fine. So if having it on the tablet PC is a plus for you, then I'd say go for that over the PS2 version.

hypersaxon
Jul 18, 2006, 11:44 PM
I was just looking up laptops on this site I found in EGM magazine, http://www.ibuypower.com and I'm gonna get myself a sweet laptop for under 2.5k and it's gonna be fully equipped with all sorts of stuff, and I'm gonna get some sweet accessories like a video camera and a wireless network with it, it's gonna be so pimp.

Hopefully, I'll have it in my hands by the time PSU hits shelves.

Nuclearranger
Jul 19, 2006, 12:55 AM
Hmm accualy if you shop dell now They offer the top of the line GPUs so there definetly not holding back. *in relation to what someone said above* And for some reason i thought upgradeing my DEll would be hard but then it was all industry standard.... it was realy weird
Back to your laptop I think the Ps2 version will run at 680-420 or whatever that one is You *SHOULD* be able to pull off 600-800 so go with the PC version and you will be glad.

Carlo210
Jul 19, 2006, 12:59 AM
On 2006-07-18 21:44, hypersaxon wrote:
I was just looking up laptops on this site I found in EGM magazine, http://www.ibuypower.com and I'm gonna get myself a sweet laptop for under 2.5k and it's gonna be fully equipped with all sorts of stuff, and I'm gonna get some sweet accessories like a video camera and a wireless network with it, it's gonna be so pimp.

Hopefully, I'll have it in my hands by the time PSU hits shelves.


Turning on the 360, are we?

hypersaxon
Jul 19, 2006, 01:07 AM
On 2006-07-18 22:59, Carlo210 wrote:


On 2006-07-18 21:44, hypersaxon wrote:
I was just looking up laptops on this site I found in EGM magazine, http://www.ibuypower.com and I'm gonna get myself a sweet laptop for under 2.5k and it's gonna be fully equipped with all sorts of stuff, and I'm gonna get some sweet accessories like a video camera and a wireless network with it, it's gonna be so pimp.

Hopefully, I'll have it in my hands by the time PSU hits shelves.


Turning on the 360, are we?



Nah, I've been wanting a better computer and I happened to find the ad today in the magazine, I've always wanted a laptop made for playing video games too. Being able to play PSU anywhere I want is pretty tempting as well.

I'll still keep my 360 for games that are console exclusive, but some games I might play on my laptop instead.

Carlo210
Jul 19, 2006, 01:10 AM
I guess that's one less PSU360 user, then. Bummer.

hypersaxon
Jul 19, 2006, 01:13 AM
BTW in case anyone cares, here are my potential specifications for my custom-made laptop:

Battalion S-550 Turbo II

Mobile AMD® Turion™64 ML-44 CPU [2.4GHz, 1MB Cache] w/Hyper Transport Technology
2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR-400 PC-3200 [Notebook Memory]
Mobility 128 MB ATI Radeon X700 PCI-Express 3D Video
80 GB 7200rpm ATA-100 Super Slim Notebook Hard Drive
8X Dual Format DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive [S550-Turbo] (yes, it burns DVDs)
Wireless LAN Wi-Fi 802.11g 54Mbps Mini-PCI Module

I'm also getting a bunch of other stuff like a high definition video camera, some external memory, a handy dandy rolling backpack, and other neat stuff. It'll all cost just under 2.5k for all of it. It's gonna be top of the line, and primed for playing PSU.

Carlo210
Jul 19, 2006, 01:21 AM
Just under 2,500$? The videocard isn't top of the line or anything, but I'm not all that handy dandy when it comes to the standard of top-of-the-line notebooks. I know more about desktops.


I just know that, to make a desktop with those specs, it'd cost 1/4th that amount.

hypersaxon
Jul 19, 2006, 01:26 AM
I know, I just want something portable and all fancy-looking lol and like I said, the whole laptop isn't going to cost 2.5k, the laptop added with the other stuff I'm getting with it will cost around that much.

Edit: The barebones laptop with those specs, without the extra stuff I'm getting, is around 1.6k to buy.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hypersaxon on 2006-07-18 23:28 ]</font>

Carlo210
Jul 19, 2006, 01:32 AM
So thats 1000 for portability? To play psu offline? I wouldn't do it, yet I don't have a thing for laptops. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
1.6k is actually a good deal for it (I think). I don't know much about laptops and such.

hypersaxon
Jul 19, 2006, 01:35 AM
I'll be playing PSU online, it's got both an ethernet port and wireless, so if I'm ever somewhere that has internet service (like a coffee shop or restaurant) I can play there. Plus I can play other games besides PSU, like emulated games.

I know it's expensive, but most laptops are. I have a fetish for expensive things, just as long as they're worth it. And I think this laptop's gonna be worth it.

Carlo210
Jul 19, 2006, 01:41 AM
Well, if it's what you want, go for it.

Personally, I dunno why someone'd have to play rounds of psu at a coffeeshop. I mean, when you're out with your laptop, isn't it for email and work purposes? I mean, at that point, emulated games will be fine for coffeeshop gaming. Then again, I'm saying this because I personally can't see myself playing a game like PSU for more than an hour at a coffeeshop or restaurant.

haven9270
Jul 19, 2006, 06:52 AM
We i'm giving my PC to my sister and I always wanted to have a tablet PC

Having PSU work on it at a quality at least equal to the PS2's would only make it a lot better http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

And I dunno if it's possible, but if I could connet the laptop to a TV and play on a TV then....

BAM!!!

VAL-0251
Jul 20, 2006, 10:12 AM
On 2006-07-18 13:01, EtherForce wrote:
If it's the PS2 vs that laptop, I'd go for the ps2 version because the laptop is more likely to have graphic issues, not only that it will probably start to sound like a wind tunnel the longer you play the game and the computer starts to get hot. As stated before, the graphics card is the major issue. The other specs are fine but Gateway, Dell, etc. tend to hold back on their graphics cards, especially in laptops.
When laptops are plugged in, they always have their fans running at 100%. If you're playing games without being plugged in, you're not gonna be playing for long (I've seen low-power requirement processors eat two batteries in 90 minutes), so the note of fan noise is largely superfluous; it won't be any more noisy than it will with the laptop plugged in.

hypersaxon
Jul 20, 2006, 08:13 PM
I'm so torn right now. I was checking out some of the PCs you can make on that site that I was visiting, and you can get an SLI PC with two ports for video cards, and if I wanted I could throw in two high-end Nvidea cards and get ultra graphical horsepower. I can also get a huge ass 500 GB hard drive (dunno if I'd ever fill it up though) and a gaming hard drive seperate from it that goes up to 10,000 rpm. The only problem with this option is the price tag: for what I want to put in it, it would cost over 5k. But it would be so awesome to have!

Carlo210
Jul 20, 2006, 08:27 PM
Impulse shopping all of a sudden? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Carlo210 on 2006-07-20 18:27 ]</font>

hypersaxon
Jul 20, 2006, 08:33 PM
I think I'll just stick with the laptop for now, since I really want one. Then maybe I'll start saving up and one day get a suped up PC like that.

VioletSkye
Jul 20, 2006, 08:38 PM
On 2006-07-20 18:13, hypersaxon wrote:
I'm so torn right now. I was checking out some of the PCs you can make on that site that I was visiting, and you can get an SLI PC with two ports for video cards, and if I wanted I could throw in two high-end Nvidea cards and get ultra graphical horsepower. I can also get a huge ass 500 GB hard drive (dunno if I'd ever fill it up though) and a gaming hard drive seperate from it that goes up to 10,000 rpm. The only problem with this option is the price tag: for what I want to put in it, it would cost over 5k. But it would be so awesome to have!


You can easily build a killer gaming rig for around $1200 that will play any of the latest games at max or near max settings. The 10,000 RPM harddrive is a Western Digital Raptor. I usually use two of those in a RAID 0 configuration for max performance. They used to be only 74GB but now come in 150GB versions. A few other vendors you may want to consider (and see what specials they may be running) are:

Widow PC (http://www.widowpc.com/)
Monarch (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv)
Voodoo PC (http://www.voodoopc.com/omen.aspx)
Falcon Northwest (http://www.falcon-nw.com/)
ABS PC (http://www.abs.com/)
Alienware (http://www.alienware.com/)
Dell XPS (http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/xps?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs) - surpisingly great machines

Honestly though, paying $4000-$5000+ for a "suped" up rig is a huge waste of money because:
A. You can easily build one yourself for way less.
B. If you build your own you have TOTAL control over exactly what components you use (including the case)
C. Even a "top of the line" system won't stay top of the line for more than a few months. Not saying that it won't still be a great pc after that time, but some people think they need the ultimate everything (I should know I build EXTREMELY high-end gaming pcs for customers) and the truth is, nothing stays "ultimate" for very long in this business. Your best bet is to have one of us help you select the right parts to match your budget and then build it yourself. I've helped a number of members here build their own pc and each has been 100% successful http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: VioletSkye on 2006-07-20 18:48 ]</font>

Carlo210
Jul 20, 2006, 08:43 PM
I'd just build my own pc. My dad and I would be able to put it together no problems asked.

VioletSkye
Jul 20, 2006, 08:52 PM
On 2006-07-20 18:43, Carlo210 wrote:
I'd just build my own pc. My dad and I would be able to put it together no problems asked.


That's the spirit!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Unless you are doing something a little more complex like crazy case mods, liquid cooling or phase change cooling. A basic pc build is easy and with the right parts and a little know-how, you can easily overclock some components and get a nice little performance boost even with stock cooling http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

hypersaxon
Jul 20, 2006, 09:13 PM
Holy smokes, on that Alienware site you can get one that comes with those new physics processor thingies! And it's only 2k too. Looks really schweet, lemme see if there's any customization options.

Carlo210
Jul 20, 2006, 09:17 PM
Lol. I guess 'bs' avertising DOES work! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Don't fall for some of that useless marketing stuff. A good amd64, a goodnvidia 7800gtx or ATI x1900, and 1gb-2gb of ram and you are dandy.

hypersaxon
Jul 20, 2006, 09:27 PM
They got monthly payment options too. That's really nice, that way I can just make payments instead of having to have the full thing up front. It'll probably require me to pay a tad bit of interest, but damn, I could have an awesome gaming machine hella quick, and I wouldn't have to worry about upgrading in a LONG time http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

VAL-0251
Jul 21, 2006, 10:57 AM
Alienware, along with basically every other large commercial computer supplier out there, charges you an obscene amount of money for the 10 minutes of sticking parts together. For the time it takes vs what you pay, you will essentially end up paying the company 200+ USD/hr to stick parts in holes like a jigsaw puzzle.

I'd only suggest buying from them if:
1) You do not have the technical expertise to assemble the computer yourself.
2) You do not have any bribeable friends with the technical expertise to assemble the computer.
3) There is no small 'geek-for-hire' business around your area with people just trying to make ends meet.

Any of the above will save you hundreds of dollars in the end product. The only reason this might not be true is if you're getting an obscene amount of free software with the computer (that you plan to use regularly).

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: VAL-0251 on 2006-07-21 08:59 ]</font>

Cruisectrl
Jul 21, 2006, 11:16 AM
Get a Ps2 and you dont have to worry

Carlo210
Jul 21, 2006, 12:15 PM
GEt a 360 you don't have to worry. Oh wait, you already have one. Then what's the problem? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Pure-chan
Jul 21, 2006, 05:37 PM
I don't know how big of a factor this is for you Sinue, but PC games are not technically supported on laptops. All that means is that if it doesn't run for some reason, sega is not required to assist you in configuring it in a way that will work. They might give it a good once over if they're nice, but anything too complex and chances are you'll need to figure it out on your own. :|

Fleece
Jul 21, 2006, 07:41 PM
We could probably provide more support than sega.....Lol

VAL-0251
Jul 21, 2006, 09:02 PM
On 2006-07-21 17:41, Fleece wrote:
We could probably provide more support than sega.....Lol

Considering how many people tried to say that PCs were inherantly unreliable because they can't practice basic cybersecurity measures and picked up numerous viruses, I REALLY don't think that would be a very good idea.