cross compatibility? [Archive]

PandaMasterX4

Aug 3, 2006, 06:00 PM

On 2006-08-03 15:55, Saner wrote:
a PC with great hardware won't look much different from the PS2 version. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

the visual difference would simply be .5% improvement. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

the PS2 version is already looking very beautiful as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

A PS2 can't run at 1024x1024 resolution but a meer 600x800 which is BLEH.

PS2 clock power is 1.8 I believe and PSU can support up to 2.6 which can visually enhance a lot of effects such as lighting, foot steps, colors, etc.

If someone can't afford a PS2, then seriously lol get a job. They're what $100 now? And those new PS2's (the thin ones) look uber cool.

HyperShot-X-

Aug 3, 2006, 06:05 PM

On 2006-08-03 12:59, PSOPRINCE wrote:
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also for xbox 360 ers does you gamer tag become your character name for xbox live?

simply, no, if u mean name of characters u make in PSU. Live gamer tag is only for identifying ur buddies on ur Live freinds list when online, u will have at least 4 or more PSU characters w/ any name u choose saved on Sega server, so if u want to named them same as ur gamer tag u could.

Fleece

Aug 3, 2006, 06:06 PM

I dont mind if people play on consoles its their choice.

But a ps2 is nowhere near a mid range to high end pc nowadays. also a ps2 cant quite pull off the Anisotropic and anti aliasing that a PC can with a card better than a year or two old. plus 2048 resolution is the win.

My monitor will rox0r your b0x0rz

Saner

Aug 3, 2006, 06:11 PM

You people and your resolutions. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

it all looks the same. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

maybe you notice every single speck of dust and particles in your room but I don't demand much when it comes to visuals.

if it looks better than Vagrant Story, then it looks great enough as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Parn

Aug 3, 2006, 06:36 PM

On 2006-08-03 16:11, Saner wrote:
You people and your resolutions. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

it all looks the same. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
No, it does not all look the same. And it isn't even about nitpicking over grains of dust. Resolution makes a huge difference. As an example to make you understand what I mean, pretend for a moment that we have a 640x480 display, and the below screenshots represent said display. To start things off, here's a 640x480 resolution screenshot from a game on the display:

http://synbios.net/images/misc/resolution1.jpg
Good ol' Jet Grind Radio on Dreamcast, one of my favorite games.

Now, here's a 320x240 resolution version of that same screenshot:

http://synbios.net/images/misc/resolution3.jpg
Looks pretty similar, but just smaller, right? No big deal, right? Oh, but you have to remember, we're viewing this on a 640x480 display:

http://synbios.net/images/misc/resolution2.jpg
Notice the lower quality? Resolution most certainly matters. Though considering the lack of basic video effects on the PlayStation 2, if we were to view this on a computer monitor and not your typical television set, a more accurate representation would be this:

http://synbios.net/images/misc/resolution4.jpg
This isn't to say that the game won't look nice on PlayStation 2, because it will. But this talk about how the PC version is just going to be a minor upgrade? That's way off. The PC version is going to look far superior, simply due to better hardware, and it's not purely a resolution issue either.

AeraLure

Aug 3, 2006, 06:46 PM

* agrees with Parn. PC version is the way to go if your PC can handle it, or can with a reasonable upgrade. Imho of course. Its additionally nice to be able to also use other software at the same time: music player, browser etc. Chat software for those who wish.

Long live the Dreamcast btw. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Loved that console. The above screenshots reminded me.

[ This Message was edited by: AeraLure on 2006-08-03 17:22 ]

Saner

Aug 3, 2006, 07:19 PM

those comparison screenies ALL look fine. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

I see the difference but that's merely a 1% difference. not really worth shelling extra moolah unless you cannot enjoy a game without the 'utmost best quality' available for it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

besides those screenies are not in motion. you won't notice any 'flaws' while playing UNLESS you're looking for them. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

the only people who may have some resolution difficulties are those widescreen users who 'need' specific resolutions in order for something to look how they want it on that screen. I swear tech hogs are the crabbiest people I've met in some places, they nitpick about everything! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
But thankfully PC users here are more reasonable and civilized. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I played FF11 for PS2 and it all looked fine as it was.
I saw PC screens and videos and they were slightly better, that's all. Absolutely nothing worth buying or upgrading a PC for. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Ether

Aug 3, 2006, 07:51 PM

On 2006-08-03 17:19, Saner wrote:
I played FF11 for PS2 and it all looked fine as it was

Now you're just lying

Saner

Aug 3, 2006, 07:53 PM

I'm not lying! My expectation bar isn't so high when it comes to graphix. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

that's the difference. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Parn

Aug 3, 2006, 08:46 PM

Actually, your argument is along the lines of saying a CD is not that much better than an audio cassette tape while listening to both versions of the same song through some cheap $5 headphones.

If you sincerely believe that there's no real difference, then it's a good thing you aren't in my line of work, because that kind of lack of attention to detail and general carelessness would get people killed.

PSOPRINCE

Aug 4, 2006, 05:06 AM

On 2006-08-03 16:00, PandaMasterX4 wrote:

On 2006-08-03 15:55, Saner wrote:
a PC with great hardware won't look much different from the PS2 version. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

the visual difference would simply be .5% improvement. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

the PS2 version is already looking very beautiful as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

i got one of them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif they are very cheap compaared to a good pc http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

A PS2 can't run at 1024x1024 resolution but a meer 600x800 which is BLEH.

PS2 clock power is 1.8 I believe and PSU can support up to 2.6 which can visually enhance a lot of effects such as lighting, foot steps, colors, etc.

If someone can't afford a PS2, then seriously lol get a job. They're what $100 now? And those new PS2's (the thin ones) look uber cool.

PandaMasterX4

Aug 4, 2006, 10:57 AM

On 2006-08-03 17:19, Saner wrote:
those comparison screenies ALL look fine. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

I see the difference but that's merely a 1% difference. not really worth shelling extra moolah unless you cannot enjoy a game without the 'utmost best quality' available for it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

besides those screenies are not in motion. you won't notice any 'flaws' while playing UNLESS you're looking for them. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

the only people who may have some resolution difficulties are those widescreen users who 'need' specific resolutions in order for something to look how they want it on that screen. I swear tech hogs are the crabbiest people I've met in some places, they nitpick about everything! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
But thankfully PC users here are more reasonable and civilized. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I played FF11 for PS2 and it all looked fine as it was.
I saw PC screens and videos and they were slightly better, that's all. Absolutely nothing worth buying or upgrading a PC for. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Ok now seriously, the PC version vs the PS2 version was a HUGE difference. No offense you but have to be completely blind to today's technology or just hard of seeing in general.

If you saw the PC running at the same resolution as the PS2, then sure there will be minor differences.

When I played it on PC, I ran it at 1024x1024 and graphical detail on max with environment. For one, the PS2 wouldn't be able to handle this. Casting cure V had far more superior effects than it did on PS2. Characters had more animation. The walls, grass, enemies all had far more spectacular detail in comparison. It wasn't limited to just a minor array of colors and the message box did not cover 80% of the screen like it did in the PS2 version.

I didn't upgrade my PC for FFXI only, I have a gaming PC because I play games like F.E.A.R. and UT2k4, FFXI, etc.

A PS2 isn't even half as powerful as my gaming PC. Hell, the 360 isn't even as powerful as my PC.

If you compare a PC's best graphics on the same game, you won't say there is a 1% difference.

The example with the jetgrind radio picture wasn't to say the game looked bad, but to show you that the resolution makes the game look jaggity when enlarged to our normal viewing.

I'm going to make videos of PSU when I'm playing it (because i like making game vids) but I also want you to compare it to a running PS2. The difference is massive when using the games full potential. It always has been.

Just because I can see and notice the difference, doesn't mean I only care about graphics. If that were true, then I'd only have my PC or a 360 or PS3 and only care about games that look good. Instead, I'm buying a Wii for my home console and sticking with my PC. Sure graphics aren't everything, but if i had the choice to purchase a version which looked better than the other and played exactly the same, I would go with the graphically enhanced version.

[ This Message was edited by: PandaMasterX4 on 2006-08-04 09:08 ]

Saner

Aug 4, 2006, 03:03 PM

On 2006-08-03 18:46, Parn wrote:
Actually, your argument is along the lines of saying a CD is not that much better than an audio cassette tape while listening to both versions of the same song through some cheap $5 headphones.

now that's a overblown comparison. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

the PC's compabilities for enhanced resolution is not that much better from PS2's visuals. This isn't the PSOne. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

PandaMasterX4

Aug 4, 2006, 03:19 PM

You're speaking about graphical output. psOnes resolution was also 600x800 or something along those lines. That's pretty much what all consoles push at.

Saying there isn't much difference is like saying PS2 graphics are the same as PS3 graphics. Both consoles can support the same game, but one can easily over power the other.

Kyuu

Aug 4, 2006, 06:32 PM

On 2006-08-04 13:03, Saner wrote:

now that's a overblown comparison. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

the PC's compabilities for enhanced resolution is not that much better from PS2's visuals. This isn't the PSOne. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

No, it's really not. There's a huge difference in the resolution between a PS2 game and a computer game running at a decent resolution. For example, try playing the original PSO on Dreamcast on a TV. Then, play PSO:BB on the PC on a monitor with beefed up resolution. There's a big difference in clarity and the quality of the textures. Not to mention, the HUD takes up a lot more room with the lower PS2 resolution than it does with higher PC resolutions.

If you're really looking at those screens and saying there's not much of a difference, then you're simply in denial.

Edit: Oh, and before you make a fool of yourself, the Dreamcast and PS2 put out the same resolution, as before the XBox, all consoles' output was at the standard, non-HDTV resolution. Which, by the way, is the same resolution TVs have been running at since their inception a billion years ago.

[ This Message was edited by: Kyuu on 2006-08-04 16:34 ]

uberw007

Aug 4, 2006, 06:55 PM

I think we all get the point that the PC can be better than the PS2. The real question is "Can PC, PS@, AND Xbox 360 all play on the same servers?". Can anyone geta clear yes or no on that? All I heard is either "We are working on it" or "Probably not".

Kyuu

Aug 4, 2006, 07:45 PM

As it stands currently, the answer is no. PC and PS2 are linked, and the Xbox 360 is by itself.

In an interview, Miyoshi-san said that this decision wasn't finalized. However, there has been no word that Sega has changed its mind, and the closer we get to release, the less likely it is.

Synopsis - PS2 and PC: linked. Xbox 360: by itself.

AeraLure

Aug 4, 2006, 07:47 PM

Yeah, not only is it very unlikely the XBox will be connected to the others, my understanding is its also pretty likely to be delayed, with the JP version of the 360 due "winter."

[ This Message was edited by: AeraLure on 2006-08-04 17:47 ]

HyperShot-X-

Aug 4, 2006, 08:19 PM

JP version on 360 being delayed wouldn't have that much impact on such a small user base in JP anyways, but for other regions outside JP it might not be the best move to delay more than 1 or 2 months at most for 360 version after PS2-PC version release. As it stands now in U.S., PSU 360 release is due late 'Oct.' 06' if there's no delay at all.

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 12:54 PM

I'm not in denial, Kyuu! ya'll are just giving the PC too much credit with this whole overblown 'resolution' thing. I seen these debates before when it was about TESIV's X360 resolutions vs. PC's resolutions.

and even back then of PS2's FF11 resolutions vs. PC's resolutions. not much of a big difference to mouth off the PC version is the only good looking version and way to play it, which its not. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

but of course PC users exaggerate how different and how important their 'superior' resolutions are, AS IF any other version doesn't look good at all without as much quality as the PC version! Ridiculous.

I see the difference but it's TOO insignificant a difference to convince me to get a PC version instead. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

And actually, to whoever mentioned Xbox360 getting it late Octbor, there is no estimated X360 date announced. it will come after October, most likely.
They only said PC and PS2 for October 2006.
after all they didn't work on 360 version until like months after the other versions began to be made.

HyperShot-X-

Aug 5, 2006, 01:58 PM

...for those who has choice to play PSU on better platforms, the resolution difference could be huge, but for those who can't upgrade their PC or can't afford X360, PS2 is the only choice and they want to believe there's not much difference there.

Saner, if you doubt the definite release date for PSU on X360, well, you should tell that to the game store manager. I only stated what i saw at local GameStop up coming release schedule line up for X360.

The delayed release date n lag period for 360 version outside JP doesn't have to match that of JP X360, meaning it could come earlier than everyone thought, just like when Xbox360 console was launched ahead of its time last Halloween.

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 02:07 PM

perhaps but there is no mention of Xbox360 version in the commercials or latest trailers.

Microsoft will expect something special done with it so that may take extra time.

not to mention the approvement procedures that take up extra time.

It might come as late as November but the version is pretty much in the dark until the Japanese releases come by in August and they then focus on the U.S.

HyperShot-X-

Aug 5, 2006, 02:53 PM

i thought everyone saw E3 PSU game play footage in wide screen format which could've been ran off of PC version most likely & X360 version will be much identical w/ just Live features added on.

That extra time needed for Live upgrades shouldn't take that long just the same as any other titles released on X360.

If all goes well as planned, it's only 2 more months away from PS2-PC JP release on late this month, so it's not that far away at all if u think about it.

Parn

Aug 5, 2006, 03:51 PM

On 2006-08-05 10:54, Saner wrote:
but of course PC users exaggerate how different and how important their 'superior' resolutions are, AS IF any other version doesn't look good at all without as much quality as the PC version! Ridiculous.
No one here said the PS2 version looks bad. That's just you twisting our words. What's ridiculous is your downplaying the capabilities of a PC and stating that it's just barely better than a PlayStation 2 over and over again.

I see the difference but it's TOO insignificant a difference to convince me to get a PC version instead. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
No one here is trying to convince you to get the PC version. I don't care if you play the PlayStation 2 version. I don't care if you can't afford a gaming PC. It's the same game no matter which version you play. Just shut up about the PC version being "only .5% better looking" and other similar statements that you pulled out of your ass. The PC version has support for more defined textures, higher screen resolutions, more lighting effects, farther draw distance, and basic Direct 3D enhancements that are adjustable by the PC user through the game's configuration menu and display properties... trying to pawn this off as "insignificant" is absurd.

Edit: BTW, I recommend reading Aesop's "The Fox and the Grapes". You might find it somewhat appropriate.

[ This Message was edited by: Parn on 2006-08-05 13:55 ]

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 05:07 PM

Just shut up about the PC version being "only 5% better looking" and other similar statements .

now who's in denial? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I made an opinion about the difference visually, and PC owners expect something like a "50% difference" statement?? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

that's like saying the PS2 version looks like Zelda 64 and PC version looks like Zelda Twilight Princess.
And one would have to be hallucinating to think there's that much of a difference.

but the real debate is that ya'll feel offended with the '5% difference' opinion.

It's my measurement that relates to how the difference is not as great as you people see your almighty hardware as being so much more better looking. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

its like relating the PS1 and PC version of FF7 or FF8. slight difference, looks pretty much the same.

the resolutionie polish makes it look better but I just perceive some PC owners' pride at the improvement as borderline excessive. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Kyuu

Aug 5, 2006, 05:18 PM

On 2006-08-05 15:07, Saner wrote:

its like relating the PS1 and PC version of FF7 or FF8. slight difference, looks pretty much the same.

the resolutionie polish makes it look better but I just perceive some PC owners' pride at the improvement as borderline excessive. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Once again, an ignorant statement. The PC versions of FF7 and FF8 were just ports. That's quite a lot different than a game like PSU where the PC version is actually developed for the PC, and can take advantage of the capabilities of PC hardware. And even with the piddling smoothing done on the textures for those games, that plus being able to play it at higher resolutions still made those games look quite a lot better, in fact. I've played FF7 through many times on the PSone, and just once on the PC. The PC version was much easier on the eyes, just due to the lack of jaggy edges and the much clearer textures.

Frankly, the problem we're having with your statements is that they're blatantly rediculous. You're trying to maintain that the inferior hardware of the PS2 can do the same things and put out the same quality graphics that a relatively up-to-date PC can, which is simply false. It's like if someone showed you a picture from Ghost House on the Master System, then showed you a picture of Okami for the PS2, and you said there was hardly any difference. Yes, they're both 2D side-scrollers, but the graphics aren't comparable. While obviously this example is an exaggeration, the difference between, what, nearly six year old PS2 hardware and current-gen PC hardware is, in fact, huge.

But whatever. We don't really care if you play it on the PS2 or PC. The PS2 PSU still looks decent, and it's still the same game underneath. Just quit making completely rediculous assertions.

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 05:34 PM

a 6 year old PS2 game is a huge difference from a PS2 game made today. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

current gen PC hardware is a huge difference but it's capabilities are nothing to brag about since PSU of course does not even take full advantage of that hardware like other PC games in the first place. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

PC version of this game is simply a babystep forward visually, that's all. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Parn

Aug 5, 2006, 06:00 PM

you have no clue what you're talking about http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

pc is so much better http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

playstation 2 sux http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 06:01 PM

nooooooo! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

see I never said PC sucks. I tried to be reasonable. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Earthsunderer

Aug 5, 2006, 06:02 PM

I never doubted for a second that the PC and the X-Box 360 version will be graphically superior to the PS 2-version.

I also think that your statements about the marginal graphic differences being so low in a of course made up and rediculised value of only being 0.5% is absolutely redicoulus in every way.

It's one point of liking the PS 2. It's another to give it abilities it simply doesn't have.

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 06:05 PM

"abilities". pfffft. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

well ya .5% is exaggerated. the real difference is 8% http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Parn

Aug 5, 2006, 06:13 PM

So how exactly did you come to this latest figure?

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 06:15 PM

oh well I was being generous because I know something like 6% or 8% would be something ya'll would rather hear. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

more accurately, the difference looks to be 7% http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

HyperShot-X-

Aug 5, 2006, 06:23 PM

On 2006-08-05 16:15, Saner wrote:
oh well I was being generous because I know something like 6% or 8% would be something ya'll would rather hear. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

more accurately, the difference looks to be 7% http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

XD, LOL, omg, u never seize to amaze every1, u r funny as hell indeed, i give u that, XD

Inu_Shadi

Aug 5, 2006, 06:26 PM

PS2 PSU
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5447/05kx7.jpg

PC PSU
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2075/0054dx0.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0054dx0.jpg)

Saner, Click on the PC one and maximize it, I cant paste the full image here because it will stretch the screen! Thats how SUPERIOR PC is.

EDIT: Also, dont go start screaming the PC version has jaggies too, that can easily be taken care of with Antialising which the PS2 DOES NOT HAVE but the Gamecube XBOX and even Dreamcast dO!

[ This Message was edited by: Inu_Shadi on 2006-08-05 16:37 ]

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 06:40 PM

Saner, Click on the PC one and maximize it, I cant paste the full image here because it will stretch the screen! Thats how SUPERIOR PC is.

I maximized it to the max! I compared the two side by side.

it still looks pretty much THE SAME!!! LOL http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

how much more honest can I beeeee? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

ya PC version looks slighty better but this superiority thing is getting out of hand! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_salad.gif

Inu_Shadi

Aug 5, 2006, 06:44 PM

No no no no! You have it all wrong http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Ecspecially considering when there is 6 people on the screen and you got about 40 percent of the screen on the PS2 version to see what you are doing! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 07:02 PM

aaaaaah! 40%! now that's hogwash! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

6 players status windows wouldn't even take up 30% of the screen.

Alright the PC version looks better. okay? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

slightly improved to be considered the slightly better looking version, okay? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Aug 5, 2006, 07:03 PM

You know, it always looks jagged with pictures

On the screen, it hardly makes a difference. I was told BB had better graphics then GC PSO, but it looks terrible to me, and this is on medium settings.

Inu_Shadi

Aug 5, 2006, 07:13 PM

On 2006-08-05 17:03, PJ wrote:
You know, it always looks jagged with pictures

On the screen, it hardly makes a difference. I was told BB had better graphics then GC PSO, but it looks terrible to me, and this is on medium settings.

It looks tons better with everything set to high indidvidually, also the PSOBB textures are sharper then the gamecube version. Also your hardware can affect the way a game looks even. Like when I was playing PSOBB on my integrated graphics all the items were invisible http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Aug 5, 2006, 07:16 PM

Well yeah, but I'm just saying I don't think the PS2 version will look as terrible as these images make you think http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Saner

Aug 5, 2006, 07:29 PM

aaah they dont look terrible in those images anyways.

but ya it'll look much better when we play it. no online pic or vid can do it justice. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Inu_Shadi

Aug 5, 2006, 07:39 PM

On 2006-08-05 17:29, Saner wrote:
aaah they dont look terrible in those images anyways.

but ya it'll look much better when we play it. no online pic or vid can do it justice. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

It does justice for the PS2 version http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif infact I think seeing the pics of the PS2 version make it look better http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 03:40 AM

what is that supposed to mean???? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_ketchup.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/frenchfries.gif

Inu_Shadi

Aug 6, 2006, 09:19 AM

Ooops sorry Typo, what I meant was Seeing the pics of the PS2 version on the computer make it look better then it actually is! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 03:11 PM

Aaaaaaah How dare you! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

Sev

Aug 6, 2006, 04:08 PM

For about what... $100 - $150 the PS2 version of PSU doesn't look that bad. If you have a shitty PC it doesn't even matter in the first place... For the price, the PS2 verison looks fine and really there's nothing wrong with it. The PC version is better, that doesn't change the fact that the PS2 version is pretty good. It's certainly playable and if you never had a good monitor or PC to begin with... What the hell are you missing?

Kyuu

Aug 6, 2006, 05:07 PM

Yep, Sev does have a point. You could spend $300 on a PC and it wouldn't look any better than the PS2 version. So for spending $100, the PSU PS2 does still look pretty damn good. Plus it wouldn't hurt you to pick up all those other great PS2 games while you're at it (Dirge of Cerebus, FFX, Gran Turismo 4, Okami (when it comes out), etc. and so on).

Kyunji

Aug 6, 2006, 07:29 PM

While I do agree with you guys, I'm sorry, I can't resist the opportunity to poke a little fun at Saner. (http://members.lycos.co.uk/idiosyntric/fun/sanerannoying.mp3) (Copy and paste the URL.)

While it is a good buy for the money, I wouldn't relish the prospect of playing at such a low resolution. As has been pointed out in previous topics, at lower resolutions, the HUD takes up such a large percentage of the screen that it makes it considerably more difficult to play. Jagged models, low-quality textures and the like I can deal with; if you play many early 3D games, you get used to the limitations. It's better than waiting another year to have it come out on PS3, anyways.

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 07:44 PM

well that link doesn't work anyways, so ha! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

jagged models? I don't notice such things while playing. if you think that's jagged you haven't played Beach Spikers.

low quality textures? they still look beautiful and detailed as they are on PS2!

low resolution? your gripes are purely subjective. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Millions of PS2 owners enjoy their games without the PC's extra frosting and even games like FF11 and other games that both PC and PS2 share, still look great as they are on PS2! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Kyunji

Aug 6, 2006, 07:52 PM

On 2006-08-06 17:44, Saner wrote:
well that link doesn't work anyways, so ha! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

jagged models? I don't notice such things while playing. if you think that's jagged you haven't played Beach Spikers.

low quality textures? they still look beautiful and detailed as they are on PS2!

low resolution? your gripes are purely subjective. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Millions of PS2 owners enjoy their games without the PC's extra frosting and even games like FF11 and other games that both PC and PS2 share, still look great as they are on PS2! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Sorry, I forgot to mention that a brain is required so that you can have the ability to read so that you can read the text telling you how to use the link.

Also, when I refer to "jagged textures" and "lower-quality textures", I mean them in a relative sense, i.e. compared to the higher-quality PC version. Sure, Stunts (or 4D Sports Driving, depending on where you live) had primitive 3D graphics. That doesn't necessarily mean that we should consider everything better than it to be excellent. Asteroids came out after Pong. Asteroids had better graphics. Does that make it the pinnacle of technological achievement? Hardly.

(It's still one fine game, though.)

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 07:56 PM

'technological achievement'....... lol the PC can have more issues than a sports car. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

You never see any topics about "can my PS2 run this game?" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Fleece

Aug 6, 2006, 08:03 PM

Actually the link does work, you right click and click save as...

But you obviously knew that being that you know everything http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Also Saner, yes the PC version is only 6% better IMO also, as i have put the resolution onto 640 by 480 and smeared and entire tub of vaseline across my screen, I did this to get the authentic feeling i would undoubtedly only gain via playing the PS2 Version.

Inu_Shadi

Aug 6, 2006, 08:07 PM

On 2006-08-06 18:03, Fleece wrote:
Actually the link does work, you right click and click save as...

But you obviously knew that being that you know everything http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Also Saner, yes the PC version is only 6% better IMO also, as i have put the resolution onto 640 by 480 and smeared and entire tub of vaseline across my screen, I did this to get the authentic feeling i would undoubtedly only gain via playing the PS2 Version.

^^ http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif hahahha

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 08:10 PM

On 2006-08-06 18:03, Fleece wrote:
Actually the link does work, you right click and click save as...

But you obviously knew that being that you know everything http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Also Saner, yes the PC version is only 6% better IMO also, as i have put the resolution onto 640 by 480 and smeared and entire tub of vaseline across my screen, I did this to get the authentic feeling i would undoubtedly only gain via playing the PS2 Version.

that's soo mean. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

hey I mentioned days ago my right click button doesn't work anymore. But anyways I can tell whatever that link is, it's an insult of some sort. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Kyunji

Aug 6, 2006, 08:11 PM

On 2006-08-06 17:56, Saner wrote:
'technological achievement'....... lol the PC can have more issues than a sports car. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

You never see any topics about "can my PS2 run this game?" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Okay, are you even reading what I'm saying!? I said that Stunts, a game published in 1990 by Broderbund and Mindscape, (http://www.kalpen.de/stunts/allabout.htm) is not the pinnacle of technological achievement. It has extraordinarily jagged edges and simplistic, minimal textures. By your logic ("if you think that's jagged you haven't played Beach Spikers"), I should consider any game after it sporting better graphics, no matter how slightly, to have top of the line graphics.

Also, I'm pretty certain that I'm not just imagining the lower resolution. According to a quick Google search, the maximum resolution the PS2 can handle is 1280 by 1024, but the author doesn't "think any games use this mode." The PC can handle much higher resolutions (although, of course, which one is acutally used varies from user to user). I would guess that the PS2 version of PSU would be capable of perhaps an 800 by 600 resolution, but not higher. The HUD is proportional to the resolution; the higher the resolution, the less space it takes up (just compare it in the two screenshots a couple of pages back. The difference is clear). Also, a lower resolution means the textures will, logically, be less detailed, and, as was mentioned, the PS2 cannot antialias edges to smooth them out.

EDIT: Also, since your right mouse button appears to be broken: CLICK HERE!!!!!!!!!11111 (http://members.lycos.co.uk/idiosyntric/fun/clickhere.html)

[ This Message was edited by: Kyunji on 2006-08-06 18:19 ]

Saner

Aug 6, 2006, 08:14 PM

in any case, numbers are just numbers, visually the PS2 version already looks beautiful and fine the way it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Inu_Shadi

Aug 6, 2006, 08:19 PM

Nah, the PC version pwns. PS2 is good though if you don't have a PC, heh ive been preparing my PC forever so it would run PSU http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif and that sound clip is verry funny!!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Fleece

Aug 6, 2006, 08:56 PM

I had a funny post but the site messed up....i aint typing it again.

I sleep long time

HyperShot-X-

Aug 6, 2006, 09:13 PM

same thing happnd to me earlier, i even tried to high lite all and copy before i previewed but didn't work so i typed the whole thing again,...what da heck is goin on this site? are they still updating the server? or they just can't take the intensity of feedbacks from all PSU fans, ha?

Mitri

Aug 6, 2006, 10:23 PM

2006/07/31 9:42:07: By DM
Fire has released the packshot and official details for what they call the PS2 HDTV Game Player. Apparently, this package allows PS2 users to play any PS2 game in full HDTV resolution. How this can possibly work is anyone's guess, but we suspect the mechanics are similar to how the Xbox360 displays Xbox games in HDTV resolution. One thing to note, the Xploder VGA cable is required. Click read more for the full press info, and click the link for the packshot.

PRESS RELEASE

In response to the announcements that both the XBOX 360 and Playstation 3 will utilise High Definition formats for next generation game development; It has been confirmed that Xploder will launch the HDTV Game Player to allow millions of Playstation 2 owners to upgrade their PS2 consoles, so that they can experience their favourite PS2 games in true High Definition quality via their HDTV sets

http://www.gamersreports.com/media/616/

well...your probably saying what does this have to do anything with what were talking about. well...i think this will diminish that computer resolution advantage. it'll make it an even playing field. at least for pc and ps2. 360 rules all. haha. jk.

Kyuu

Aug 7, 2006, 12:10 AM

On 2006-08-06 20:23, Mitri wrote:

well...i think this will diminish that computer resolution advantage. it'll make it an even playing field. at least for pc and ps2.

Sorry but no.

Kyunji

Aug 7, 2006, 07:21 AM

On 2006-08-06 18:14, Saner wrote:
in any case, numbers are just numbers, visually the PS2 version already looks beautiful and fine the way it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

hello i am saner http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

i dont no what your talking about! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

the ps2 version looks so good! resoloution is just a number! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

look!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/idiosyntric/images/nodifference1.jpg

this is a picture of a desktop at 800 by 600 resoloution. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

http://members.lycos.co.uk/idiosyntric/images/nodifference2.jpg

here is the same desktop at 1024 by 768 resoloution! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

as you can cleerly see, there is no diffrence! they are exactly the same! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

just for those of you who don't beleive me... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

http://members.lycos.co.uk/idiosyntric/images/nodifference3.jpg

there is no diffrence!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

tank1

Aug 7, 2006, 07:32 AM

Lol.

mechatra

Aug 7, 2006, 07:49 AM

Kyunji just pwnt Saner.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Saner

Aug 7, 2006, 11:22 AM

hey!!!! I didnt say they looked exactly the same! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Kyunji

Aug 7, 2006, 11:32 AM

On 2006-08-07 09:22, Saner wrote:
hey!!!! I didnt say they looked exactly the same! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Well, let's see...

On 2006-08-03 15:55, Saner wrote:
the visual difference would simply be .5% improvement. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

On 2006-08-03 17:19, Saner wrote:
I see the difference but that's merely a 1% difference.

On 2006-08-05 15:07, Saner wrote:
but the real debate is that ya'll feel offended with the '5% difference' opinion.

On 2006-08-05 16:05, Saner wrote:
well ya .5% is exaggerated. the real difference is 8% http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

On 2006-08-05 16:15, Saner wrote:
more accurately, the difference looks to be 7% http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Aaaaaand...? Let me tell you, that's far more than an 8% difference (your least conservative estimate), and that's resolution alone.

Saner

Aug 7, 2006, 12:06 PM

still not enough difference to upgrade or get a new PC for. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

gee, ya'll are really too concerned with graphics. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

PandaMasterX4

Aug 7, 2006, 12:13 PM

It's not that we're obsessed with graphics, it's just that you argue about them being so similar when they're not.

Pretty much you're statement is like saying level 19 Foie is the same thing as level 30 Foie

Saner

Aug 7, 2006, 12:35 PM

they are not so 'unsimilar' either. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I mean seriously, it's not like they are "Conker 64" and "Conker Xbox" different. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Saner on 2006-08-07 10:36 ]

PandaMasterX4

Aug 7, 2006, 12:38 PM

True, but it's like comparing RE4 on Gamecube to RE4 on PS2.

Even that had a huge difference. FFXI on PS2 to full powered PC.

Max Payne is another fine example.

[ This Message was edited by: PandaMasterX4 on 2006-08-07 10:47 ]

Saner

Aug 7, 2006, 12:56 PM

ya but the difference still doesn't mean the 'lower quality' is not presentable or playable or enjoyable. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Parn

Aug 7, 2006, 04:03 PM

And no one said the PlayStation 2 version wouldn't be. We just want you to stop making retarded comments about the PC version. That's it.

Kyuu

Aug 7, 2006, 04:17 PM

On 2006-08-07 10:56, Saner wrote:
ya but the difference still doesn't mean the 'lower quality' is not presentable or playable or enjoyable. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

No one ever said that. We're just railing against your plainly rediculous statements that there's no or hardly any difference.

Saner

Aug 8, 2006, 01:34 AM

well that's just my way of saying the PC version looks hardly better enough to convince me in getting that version instead. I can afford to get a great PC, but it's not even barely worth my time and money. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

it's kind of like 2 Whoppers and one comes with extra toppings for 2 dollars more. not really worth the extra investment if that's how much better the PC version looks, I wouldn't call it much of an improvement. The normal Whopper looks and tastes just how I love it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/burger.gif

therealAERO

Aug 8, 2006, 01:55 AM

What the hell are you talking about now? Burgers? I'm not even going to fully read that.

Listen!! Higher Resolution means that the font will be smaller, the Hud will be smaller, and the graphics will look sharper. The PC can anti alias(atleast my card can) After playing Gamecube PSO for years, and than switching to blue burst I was blown away by the clarity that my PC was able to produce. I could actually see the detail on my characters clothing, and it just generally looked smoother. Kinda as if it were on a brand new more powerful console. ^_^

Or take this example. I played PSU at 2005 e3 on the Ps2 at first. It looked very blurry, and just bad. (now that could be the TVs they use at e3 I don't know) but than I went over to the PC one and I was 100 times more impressed with it. The HUD was smaller, the font was clearer, and Ethan looked FAN FREAKING TASTIC. I wish I took comparison picks, you would clearly be able to see the difference. CLEARLY

Kyuu

Aug 8, 2006, 01:57 AM

On 2006-08-07 23:55, therealAERO wrote:

Or take this example. I played PSU at 2005 e3 on the Ps2 at first. It looked very blurry, and just bad. (now that could be the TVs they use at e3 I don't know) but than I went over to the PC one and I was 100 times more impressed with it. The HUD was smaller, the font was clearer, and Ethan looked FAN FREAKING TASTIC. I wish I took comparison picks, you would clearly be able to see the difference. CLEARLY

Woot! Go PC! Squash that PS2!

... I mean, uh... *runs off*

Saner

Aug 8, 2006, 01:59 AM

Kyuuuuuuu!!! *looks for a pineapple* ah no pineapple gif. okay then this! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/hotdog.gif

Saner

Aug 8, 2006, 02:06 AM

On 2006-08-07 23:55, therealAERO wrote:
What the hell are you talking about now? Burgers? I'm not even going to fully read that.

Listen!! Higher Resolution means that the font will be smaller, the Hud will be smaller, and the graphics will look sharper. The PC can anti alias(atleast my card can) After playing Gamecube PSO for years, and than switching to blue burst I was blown away by the clarity that my PC was able to produce. I could actually see the detail on my characters clothing, and it just generally looked smoother. Kinda as if it were on a brand new more powerful console. ^_^

Or take this example. I played PSU at 2005 e3 on the Ps2 at first.

It looked very blurry, and just bad. (now that could be the TVs they use at e3 I don't know) but than I went over to the PC one and I was 100 times more impressed with it.

blurry? it's definitely the TVs they used or your eyes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

it sounds so biased saying the PS2 version looks that bad.

Of course you played PSU yourself at E3 but it's still exaggerated saying you're 100 times more impressed with the PC version, since you play these things on PC anyway. why not simply 10 times impressed? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

they wouldn't release it for PS2 if it looked as bad as you describe it. maybe you're just spoiled by PC's extra tweaks to understand something between good and bad with good and better. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Kyuu

Aug 8, 2006, 02:08 AM

On 2006-08-08 00:06, Saner wrote:

Of course you played PSU yourself at E3 but it's still exaggerated saying you're 100 times more impressed with the PC version, since you play these things on PC anyway. why not simply 10 times impressed? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Because 100 times better is more spiteful to you and your nasty, perverted PS2 fetish. We will never join your Fascist Anti-PC regime. Down with Saner McHitler!

Saner

Aug 8, 2006, 02:12 AM

hey! that wasn't even nice! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pizza.gif

you're the one with a anti-PS2 regime. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cheese.gif

you simply should not criticize the very version that will outsell the PC and X360 versions in Japan. there's no way they would allow the PS2 version to not look beautiful and presentable. the videos and screenies of it already look great. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/sprite.gif

the PC version can look better but the PS2 also looks fine as they intended it.
There is no such thing as a bad looking version of this game! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cone.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Saner on 2006-08-08 00:12 ]