Xbox 360 hands on (A must read for saner) [Archive]

chibiLegolas

Sep 7, 2006, 01:24 PM

On 2006-09-07 11:02, parabolee wrote:
Actually you will be more-inclined to be forced to play with the "smack-tard" as the PS2 will have far more kids playing than Xbox360.

Sounds right to me. A larger community just means there's more accessability for annoying players to jump onto that community, right along with good players. For a system that's really old, I'd say more kids have a PS2 than the newer 360.
Besides, I'm under the impression that the 360 is geared more to the older crowd than for say, GC (just as an example). There's not a lot of "kiddie" games out for 360, so hopefully, the xbox 360 live community will reflect that.

Besides, there's black listing on PSU now! Anyone trying to join your current game can't do so if they're blacklisted on ANY of your party member's lists. That'll make weeding through bad players so much easier.

[ This Message was edited by: chibiLegolas on 2006-09-07 11:29 ]

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 01:24 PM

On 2006-09-07 11:21, parabolee wrote:
Yes it has been previously reported that you will not need a Xbox gold account for MMORPG style games like PSU as they will have there own monthly fee. I think this is what is confusing some people regarding the cost of PSu on 360.

Yes I checked that out on the xbox.com site. Many don't believe it, so I thought to mention that article, as I think it also says PSU will not require XBL Gold.

[ This Message was edited by: Kers on 2006-09-07 11:40 ]

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 01:45 PM

On 2006-09-07 10:39, parabolee wrote:
Man I hate to sound like troll on this but I had to mention this. I don't know how many of you visit Ragol.co.uk but it is easily as good as PSO-World.

Anyway one of the peeps over at pso-word.de (close friends with ragol.co.uk) actually got to see and play thge 360 version of PSU and ragol.co.uk posted his thoughts. Here is what he had to say -

"The admin of pso-world.de was privileged enough to go hands-on with the version, and I'm told that if you do go for any version of PSU, make sure it is the Xbox360 version, as the difference between that and the PlayStation2 version is tremendous!"

Oh and sorry for the jibe Saner, I love you really http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

no thanks. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

the game is out, the PS2 media and videos have been presented, and it looks and runs good enough to be fun and worthwhile as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

besides Xbox360 is not linked with PC, and to me, it's enviornment won't be as pleasant as PC and PS2's communities. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

tank1

Sep 7, 2006, 01:47 PM

it's enviornment won't be as pleasant as PC and PS2's communities.

How do you know for sure have you played both the 360 and PS2 versions.

[ This Message was edited by: tank1 on 2006-09-07 11:52 ]

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 01:50 PM

Saner, it's about the difference between the PS2 and the Xbox360. You've repeatedly said that there isn't a noticeable difference, vs even the PC.

[ This Message was edited by: Kers on 2006-09-07 11:52 ]

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 01:53 PM

LOL well if you prefer keyboard to voice chat then that is fair enough. I don't buy the arguement that the community will be better on PS2 at all. But I tottaly respect your preference for keyboard chat.

But I think you can stop saying that the PS2 version hold up top the 360 version now as far as visuals because apparently the diffrence is "tremendous!" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

Plus if the 360 version is coded correctly it won't suffer from the framerate issue's that the PS2 version suffers from when it get's hectic on screen (other players report that after Chapter 5 it suffers from some severe frame rate drops, I persoanlly have not experienced any up to chapter 3).

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 01:55 PM

Besides, there's black listing on PSU now! Anyone trying to join your current game can't do so if they're blacklisted on ANY of your party member's lists. That'll make weeding through bad players so much easier.

WOW I didn't know that! That is fricking awesome-o!

More and more reasosn that this game will be the greatest game ever!!

Fou

Sep 7, 2006, 01:57 PM

On 2006-09-07 11:47, tank1 wrote:

besides Xbox360 is not linked with PC, and to me, it's enviornment won't be as pleasant as PC and PS2's communities.

How do you know for sure have you played both the 360 and PS2 versions.

He probably means there will be more ppl since xbox 360 will be in there on lilttle world i agree with saner on tho apparently theres alot graphics hungry ppl out there as of late guess im gettin old http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif but ps2 looks good enough to me but thats not where i get my kiks from for those who need to have top of the line visuals on you 53' hdtv get the 360 version.
As for kids by my experince the xbox has more kids least that you run into but hey kids and a guy whos iq eqauls a soap dish bought same experince im gettin ps2 version just cause i belive there will be more ppl thats bout sorry to affend any1 I'll end my rant now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 02:05 PM

people can overexaggerate about the graphics comparisons. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

ppl could say that the graphics differences between Castlevania CoD between Xbox and PS2 are 'tremendous', but to someone else they look almost the same. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I seen the new PC screens and how much better it looks than PS2 but it's still basically the same thing, just some added polish, which is good, but it doesn't in any way make PS2 obsolete because of it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

its like Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, just because the PC version can look 2x better than the Xbox360 version doesn't mean the X360 version is obsolete.

they both look great and that's fine as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

as for framerate, I dealt with framerates and slowdowns in past games so it's nothing new and nothing that will ruin the experience. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Saner on 2006-09-07 12:07 ]

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 02:13 PM

Yes they do both look great, I agree on that 100%. Especially as I am playing the PS2 version at the moment (not right this moment, I'm at work) and it looks awesome.

But as the difference between Xbox and PS2 ports didn't include a HUGE jump in resolution I would say you are right that they wouldn't look tremedously better. But I would say that screen shots don't do 720p justice, but you put the PS2 version of GUN beside the 360 version in 720P and despite the fact that it's the crappiest port ever it still looks TREMEDIOUSLY better on 360.

But like I say the PS2 version does look great so no great loss if you choose that over 360. I just want to play it the best way possible without forking out $1000 for a new PC.

tank1

Sep 7, 2006, 02:15 PM

Why's that whats wrong with PC's.

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 02:15 PM

ya thank goodness for Xbox360 too,

the last thing we console fans would want is being forced to play on PC. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 02:17 PM

On 2006-09-07 12:15, tank1 wrote:
Why's that whats wrong with PC's.

well its all a matter of taste and preference.

tank1

Sep 7, 2006, 02:18 PM

I guess it is ultimately ^_^

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 02:18 PM

I think it was just a joke.

But some people prefer the couch to the desk (it's kinda hard to setup the PC for the living room, although it can be done of course).

tank1

Sep 7, 2006, 02:20 PM

When i was at my uncles for awhile i had my PC setup in the living room and used his Wide screen tv for a monitor. That plus the surround sound he has setup it kicked the crap out of playing on a GC or PS2 on a chair.

Mikedot

Sep 7, 2006, 02:21 PM

"The admin of pso-world.de was privileged enough to go hands-on with the version, and I'm told that if you do go for any version of PSU, make sure it is the Xbox360 version, as the difference between that and the PlayStation2 version is tremendous!"

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnddddddddddd that means the game will be less fun on the PS2?

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 02:22 PM

Yes, Saner brought it back to on topic!

I'm most interested in the framerate for the 360. I expect the PSU360 to run at 60fps.

If it was at least a difference in framerate and slowdown between the PS2 and 360 versions this admin experienced, I would also consider that a very big and important difference!

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 02:28 PM

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnddddddddddd that means the game will be less fun on the PS2?

No of course not! What a silly question http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif .

EDIT: This is not a PS2 Vs 360 debate anyway, I was just poking some light hearted fun at Saner because of previous 360 comments she made.

This topic was just for those interested in the 360 version.

[ This Message was edited by: parabolee on 2006-09-07 12:30 ]

McLaughlin

Sep 7, 2006, 02:29 PM

Everyone is ragging on the Xbox Live community, but seeing as the PS2/PC doesn't have NEARLY the level of organization (Gamertags, Friend Lists, Recent Players Lists, Voice Chat on every game) as Microsoft, the comparison is moot.

Just because you can't hear them doesn't mean they aren't there. No online community is any worse than another.

As for population size, seeing as PSU will be the second MMORPG on the Xbox 360, and FFXI is a 5 year old port (with no Voice Chat), the community will be plenty large enough. Less server stress = less lag.

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 02:31 PM

I dont even use a couch. consoles are simply better because they are made for what they are best at doing, games.

PCs are multipurpose and have oodles of problems, which is why most PC games have to be patched, while most console games are better developed and tested so they don't need patches later on.

plus hacking and pirating is easily done through PC which further corrupts its reputation in the gaming market, even companies like Id are thinking of ditching PC and focusing on consoles. they are losing a lot of money making games for PC.

the other things is that consoles are equal in the sense that making a game for it doesn't need to be tested for various types of hardware.

if one console runs it perfectly, anyone who owns that console will enjoy it the way it's intended without needing to fork extra cash for hardware and comfort.

the best excuse PC makes for itself is the potential for better graphics/resolution. but even systems like Nintendo DS and even PS2has taught us that games don't need to look 'cutting edge' to be fun and everlasting. ppl still play NES, Genesis, etc. games to this day. and even systems like PS2 will last long after the PS3 and Wii are released.

of course better graphics is what has helped PSU surpass PSO even further,
but there is a line between improved graphics and further enhanced graphics that really isn't worth the extra money to pay for, which is why even today, systems like PS2 are still vastly more popular for gaming in Japan than PC.

it's not a fluke, it's only natural to choose what gets the job done at a fair price. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Mikedot

Sep 7, 2006, 02:34 PM

there is a line between improved graphics and further enhanced graphics that really isn't worth the extra money to pay for.

Truth be here.

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 02:46 PM

On 2006-09-07 12:34, Mikedot wrote:

there is a line between improved graphics and further enhanced graphics that really isn't worth the extra money to pay for.

Truth be here.

I believe that looks to be an apparent problem with the PS3, not the Xbox360.

McLaughlin

Sep 7, 2006, 02:50 PM

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 02:51 PM

Again let's not slump back into a platform debate.

BACK ON TOPIC : I really hope Sonic Team have the time to optimise the 360 code so it runs at 60fps even if it drops to 30fps when it get's hectic it would be awesome. I prefer a floating 60fps that never drops under 30fps to a locked 30fps. Opinions?

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 03:06 PM

On 2006-09-07 12:50, Zeta wrote:
QTF

Yeah, it was even more off topic than the current jumble of crap. I thought my sh** could fly too, oh well.

[ This Message was edited by: Kers on 2006-09-07 13:08 ]

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 03:11 PM

they might lock it at 30 fps.

strange how many online Xbox360 games are forced to lock fps at 30 instead of 60.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:18 PM

On 2006-09-07 13:11, Saner wrote:
they might lock it at 30 fps.

strange how many online Xbox360 games are forced to lock fps at 30 instead of 60.

WTF are you talking about? The framerate has NOTHING to do with being online! Latency (lag) and framerate have no connection AT ALL!! One puts stress on the hardware the other the network, the FPS DO NOT effect the networks and vice-versa!

And beside that the entire comment was pulled from your ass!

PDZ is 60fps
Quake 4 is 60fps (which has no framerate problems online!)
Saints Row is 60fps
GRAW is 60fps
COD2 is 60fps

Plus many more that I don't care to mention. So your comment was wrong in EVERY way!

Once again Saner you lead us all to believe that you have no idea what you are talking about and then you open your mouth and remove all doubt (smiley face).

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 03:23 PM

WTF are you talking about? The framerate has NOTHING to do with being online! Latency (lag) and framerate have no connection AT ALL!! One puts stress on the hardware the other the network, the FPS DO NOT effect the networks and vice-versa!

And beside that the entire comment was pulled from your ass!

PDZ is 60fps
Quake 4 is 60fps (which has no framerate problems online!)
Saints Row is 60fps
GRAW is 60fps
COD2 is 60fps

Plus many more that I don't care to mention. So your comment was wrong in EVERY way!

Once again Saner you lead us all to believe that you have no idea what you are talking about and then you open your mouth and remove all doubt (smiley face).

I never related framerate with lag. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

and I didn't say Xbox360 doesn't have 60 fps games. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

you are overexaggerating what I say and filling in what I mean. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:27 PM

No you intentionally implied that the 360 was forced to run at 30FPS in online games! And you know full well that you did.

It is a complete untruth "that many online Xbox360 games are forced to lock fps at 30", beside the fcat that one has nothing to do with the other.

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 03:29 PM

On 2006-09-07 13:27, parabolee wrote:
No you intentionally implied that the 360 was forced to run at 30FPS in online games! And you know full well that you did.

whaat? you presumed what I implied but that's all wrong.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/hotdog.gif

Reclaimer

Sep 7, 2006, 03:31 PM

This preview (http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3153438&did=1) at 1UP says that the Xbox360 version runs at 60 frames per second, but that the framerate drops in action. This is probably the same preview copy we've read about on other sites.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:32 PM

NO THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLIED!

Why else would you say -

"strange how many online Xbox360 games are forced to lock fps at 30 instead of 60." ?????

You tell me what else it is supposed to mean (besides being factually incorrect on top of implying something that is absurd).

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 03:35 PM

On 2006-09-07 13:32, parabolee wrote:
NO THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLIED!

Why else would you say -

"strange how many online Xbox360 games are forced to lock fps at 30 instead of 60." ?????

You tell me what else it is supposed to mean (besides being factually incorrect on top of implying something that is absurd).

I didn't mean many as in 'most' of them, and I didn't mean online as if it only implies to online.

Just like the post in your other topic about 'facts' without reminding you are specifically talking about graphics, things can be worded in a manner that can be deciphered in multiple directions.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pizza.gif

ORM-D

Sep 7, 2006, 03:39 PM

[/quote]

WTF are you talking about? The framerate has NOTHING to do with being online! Latency (lag) and framerate have no connection AT ALL!! One puts stress on the hardware the other the network, the FPS DO NOT effect the networks and vice-versa!

And beside that the entire comment was pulled from your ass!

PDZ is 60fps
Quake 4 is 60fps (which has no framerate problems online!)
Saints Row is 60fps
GRAW is 60fps
COD2 is 60fps

Plus many more that I don't care to mention. So your comment was wrong in EVERY way!

Once again Saner you lead us all to believe that you have no idea what you are talking about and then you open your mouth and remove all doubt (smiley face).

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Hey thats uncalled for. Just because she isnt as anal with the 360 as you are doesnt mean you have to get all pissy. You could of put it in a much better manner than that. I think that was rude and uncalled for. Pls dont post if your going to put people down. Especialy if its Saner.

Any ways, Regaurdless of how the game plays on what system its going to be bad ass reguardless of all this crap. Again keep to topic this isnt console war.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:41 PM

Again your backtracking is shamefull, why not just admit a mistake.

If you accidently used the word "online" then admit that, at least then the statement would just be wrong and not stupid.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:48 PM

Listen ORM-D, I am a very polite guy most of the time but when people are so biased that they repeatedly (intentionally) miss-represent things and then start talking utter rubish in order to put another system down I lose my temper a little. Saner is repeatedly guilty of this and I got annoyed by it. We are not talking about being anal at all, we are talking about being so biased that it leads to incorrect statements intended to put the apposing system down.

But you are right my reaction was a little over the top and for that I apologise to Saner. Sorry Saner.

Sep 7, 2006, 03:52 PM

This is hands on?

"It looks better"

That's all they have to say?

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 03:55 PM

Well I'm sure the full opinion is on PSO-world.de but it won't be in english, we got the highlights http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Saner

Sep 7, 2006, 04:12 PM

On 2006-09-07 13:41, parabolee wrote:
Again your backtracking is shamefull, why not just admit a mistake.

If you accidently used the word "online" then admit that, at least then the statement would just be wrong and not stupid.

gee you are getting it for Xbox360 so what's the problem? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

just cause I said my opinions about why I would choose PS2 over Xbox360 doesn't mean its wrong either.

the graphics subject of this topic is simply that you believe the grpahics difference is so great that it's more than I give it credit for.

But again graphics enhancements (comparing X360 to PS2) are not nearly as "tremendous" as graphics improvements/evolutions like comparing PSU with PSO.

I just don't think the difference is that big a deal to convince me to get it for Xbox360 instead.

Here are my reasons not getting Xbox360 version:

1. I have Xbox360 and I'm aware how popular voice chat is for Xbox360 and I'm more comfortable with keyboard chat, especially for Phantasy Star. Since the X360 will naturally have most use voice chat, it would conflict with my way of playing.

it's impossible for voice chat-only ppl to communicate with keyboard-only ppl. so that would just be walls of communication not worth putting up with. which means even less people qualified to play and have fun with.

PC and PS2 are majorly keyboard-users so that fits my kind of atmosphere. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

2. not linked with PC and PS2.

Xbox360 will still have a community but a bigger community offers more possibilities and ppl to meet and fun. the more the merrier as they say.

and if it ever gets overcrowded they will add more servers if necessary to maintain a balance.

3. Costly emergency replacements

if my Xbox360 gets screwed, my account gets screwed and it would cost more getting a new Xbox360 (300-400). ya so blame me for not getting a warranty but this is a minor reason anyways.

since X360 is getting an independant server I doubt accounts from there can be shifted to the PS2 version.

4. Unpleasant profile system.

if I lose my profile/gamertag (for whatever reason) I lose anything associated to that profile.
even savegames won't work without the profile. and possibly my Live Gold subsciption as well.

It was annoying when I brought my memory card to a friends house and we couldn't use my save game data for a game because my gamertag wasn't transferred to the memory card as well. which is stupid but makes sense because they don't want people to find loopholes around the achievements system and copying data so freely.

but again this circumstance is unlikely to happen but it pays to be safe.

5. inferior controller design.

I feel PS2's is more responsive and the design and button layout and feel is more digital.

the Xbox360 controller is the 2nd best controller though.

6. overheating, guide menu issues/noise

my Xbox360 tends to overheat easy (with ventilation) and in some games freeze. maybe its those games fault or something but I want to avoid this when playing PSU.

also the system is pretty noisy but I've gotten used to it somewhat.

7. Live Gold subscription

even if PSU is free on X360 or doesn't require Gold service to play online, I still payed a year's worth of Gold ($50 is not a lot but still something),
and that will be going to waste no matter what I decide.

but anyways understand this:

A. I do like my XBox360 and I'm positive it will be the leader of the next-gen console race, at least in the west. (it's not quite up there yet)

I don't agree with PS3's ambitions
and Nintendo is always 3rd place in my opinion.

although Xbox360 looks to be better than those, it's still not quite up to the level of excellence PS2 has developed all these years.

The outstanding sales of that system and its games is proof of its domination over the console market even today. and also proves that the systems that can provide better graphics is not enough reason to get another system for.

I would like the Xbox360 version to be as good as possible, but as long as its unlinked, it will be my backup alternative if the need arises. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

McLaughlin

Sep 7, 2006, 04:20 PM

Finally, I got reasons!

I can understand your view of things, but because my PC can't run it, and I <3 Voice Chat, it's 360 for me.

And, IMO, the next gen (soon to become current gen) console war should end up Wii>Xbox 360>PS3.

Wii will rock you.

Tetsuro

Sep 7, 2006, 04:30 PM

If graphics is the only thing thats different I personally could care less, hell I still think Super Mario Bros on the NES looks fine. The only thing I think the 360 has over the PS2 is the controller. That's why I'll be getting it for the PC, bigger community and I can use my 360 controller.

jnblz316

Sep 7, 2006, 04:31 PM

I'm getting the 360 version because my CPU sucks and I don't have a PS2.

phunk

Sep 7, 2006, 04:41 PM

Saner, you won my vote by clearing up the air.

Hehe

Jinto117

Sep 7, 2006, 04:45 PM

On 2006-09-07 14:30, Tetsuro wrote:
If graphics is the only thing thats different I personally could care less, hell I still think Super Mario Bros on the NES looks fine. The only thing I think the 360 has over the PS2 is the controller. That's why I'll be getting it for the PC, bigger community and I can use my 360 controller.

Yeah, you and me both pal. I just hope configuring the controls for the game will be simple so I can jump right into it.

Kers

Sep 7, 2006, 04:57 PM

On 2006-09-07 14:12, Saner wrote:

The outstanding sales of that system and its games is proof of its domination over the console market even today. and also proves that the systems that can provide better graphics is not enough reason to get another system for.

So, the 360 isn't on top yet because it needs better games and you don't dislike it. Also, you like your 360 but PSU360's perks don't interest you for the PSUPS2 fits your playing style perfectly.

I guess your liking of the PS2 comes off as system bashing too often then. Thanks for the post as it cleared up a lot.

phunk

Sep 7, 2006, 05:00 PM

Ye, the 360 controller is on the top for me. I love it since it reminds me a lot of the Dreamcast's.

Link00seven

Sep 7, 2006, 05:01 PM

On 2006-09-07 11:45, Saner wrote:
besides Xbox360 is not linked with PC, and to me, it's enviornment won't be as pleasant as PC and PS2's communities. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Has this been confirmed? I still see no reason why they're not linked...FFXI is quite old and its X360 release was linked to the PC/PS2 versions...

Miphesto

Sep 7, 2006, 05:45 PM

IN YOUR FUCKIN FACE!!!! AHAHAHAH

phunk

Sep 7, 2006, 05:50 PM

^
Why hasn't this guy been IP banned yet?

Kindaichi

Sep 7, 2006, 05:53 PM

360 pwns...enough said.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 06:05 PM

Saner, I have already stated that I fully respect your reasons for preffering the PS2 version. I get it, it's tottaly cool. I have no problem about your reasons, your getting the PS2 version because that is what you prefer. That's fine I have ZERO debate with that. I don't even think your foolish to do so because I think the PS2 version is excellent.

What I have a problem with is your constant 360 bashing, which includes intentionally making miss-leading comments and completely incorrect statements

MrPOW

Sep 7, 2006, 06:13 PM

Well...I'd get the 360 version (if I had one) if I knew for sure it didnt have any slowdown. I'm playing the import PS2 version now and there is some serious slowdown in quite a few places.

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 06:26 PM

Well currently the 60% complete version was running at 60FPS with some framerate drops to about 30FPS. Which is better than 30FPS with drops lower than that.

I am confident that Sonic team can pull off a locked 60FPS version on 360 (so start saving http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif ).

Kindaichi

Sep 7, 2006, 06:29 PM

Hey parabolee can i add you to my fl on xbox360? trying to get as many peeps as possible so i have ppl to hang with on psu360

Garroway

Sep 7, 2006, 06:40 PM

In the past I have stated that I plan on getting PSU for the 360 but honestly I'm not 100% certain. Graphics are a factor for consideration in a game but not the only factor, and rarely even the deciding factor. For me the real decision maker is going to be more community related (and these points have been argued to death) than any performance statistic.

I'm assuming that the decision for the 360 servers to be seperated has been finalised based on several of the statements to that effect in this thread.

DevilsArm

Sep 7, 2006, 07:17 PM

im going 360 mainly because my best friend is coming with me and because i <3 voice chat, typing pisses me off if im in the middle of battle and if im partying, typing becomes bothersome in a big convo

parabolee

Sep 7, 2006, 07:18 PM

On 2006-09-07 16:29, Kindaichi wrote:
Hey parabolee can i add you to my fl on xbox360? trying to get as many peeps as possible so i have ppl to hang with on psu360

You sure can buudy.

Kindaichi

Sep 7, 2006, 08:58 PM

On 2006-09-07 17:17, DevilsArm wrote:
im going 360 mainly because my best friend is coming with me and because i <3 voice chat, typing pisses me off if im in the middle of battle and if im partying, typing becomes bothersome in a big convo

same way voice chat makes everything run so much smoother, i will use typing in the lobbies but on the field im all mic.

Aion_Clyuve

Sep 8, 2006, 10:46 AM

On 2006-09-07 11:24, chibiLegolas wrote:

On 2006-09-07 11:02, parabolee wrote:
Actually you will be more-inclined to be forced to play with the "smack-tard" as the PS2 will have far more kids playing than Xbox360.

Besides, there's black listing on PSU now! Anyone trying to join your current game can't do so if they're blacklisted on ANY of your party member's lists. That'll make weeding through bad players so much easier.

[ This Message was edited by: chibiLegolas on 2006-09-07 11:29 ]

Blacklisting will make this game so much better than PSO.

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 11:25 AM

On 2006-09-07 10:58, NightHour13 wrote:
They didnt mention the PC. PC still wins out over the Xbox360. Muhahha you will never steal our players. You will all be doomed to play PSU with 12 year old smack-tards. Specialy if the rumor that PSU will be free with the free silver xbox online is true...Then your really in for it.

At least with voice chat we can easily identify those smack tards. Ha Haaaaaaa =p

ORM-D

Sep 8, 2006, 11:32 AM

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At least with voice chat we can easily identify those smack tards. Ha Haaaaaaa =p

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Isnt that the truth. Even though i wont be gettin the 360 version. That is one advantage that i like to the voice chat. Being able to 'Identify those smack tards'. HAHAHAH.

Alisha

Sep 8, 2006, 12:07 PM

anyone that thinks the community on the xbox 360 version will be anywhere near the ps2/pc revs is in complete and utter denial.

next subject on frame rate

i've heard of people in the irc chat having frame rate issues in miyazuka preserve. even on 30 fps.

to be honest they should drop voice chat from the 360 version and keep them all connected. most people dont know this because they were added later but the xbox 360 version of final fantasy XI has acheivements but they are lame i think are fairly easy. stuff like lvl X job to 75 and and get rank 10 in X nation.

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 12:17 PM

On 2006-09-08 10:07, Alisha wrote:
anyone that thinks the community on the xbox 360 version will be anywhere near the ps2/pc revs is in complete and utter denial.

Well that depends on if you are talking about size or quality. PC/PS2 will obviously be a lot larger, but that doesn't make it of a higher quality now does it?

PS2 will introduce a larger young population, the same population that the PC players blamed for spoiling FFXI.

The 360 is owned by an older audience, and 60% of the 360 owners play online. PSU will be the first decent RPG on the 360, so I'm pretty sure the 360 community will be just fine. The PC/PS2 community may very well be better, but I don't think it's a sure thing at all.

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 12:33 PM

Wow, talk about strike a nerve. I will comment on this not as a 360 fanboy but as a reasonable human being.

On 2006-09-08 10:07, Alisha wrote:
anyone that thinks the community on the xbox 360 version will be anywhere near the ps2/pc revs is in complete and utter denial.

Point one: I don't care. Does it really matter if I am grouped up with a bunch of people I have to type to in order to communicate with? No, I'll be chatting with my friends across my headset, even if there are 6 of us. 6 is all you need. Community size. Bah, lobby chat, so what. All that really matters is your in game party. So whats so much different about bragging to 200 or 20000 people about your awesome l33tness. Personally, small server separate for 360 = less people = no lag = no problems the JP are having at this moment. I think I can drop the mic now.

However I will comment on point 2.

On 2006-09-08 10:07, Alisha wrote:
most people dont know this because they were added later but the xbox 360 version of final fantasy XI has acheivements but they are lame i think are fairly easy. stuff like lvl X job to 75 and and get rank 10 in X nation.

LOL Easy? Easy? Do you really understand the amount of stress and time required to achieve lvl 75 in FFXI, much less get rank 10? As a male gamer, it takes years and years of shameless begging to achieve that status cause you CANNOT do it by yourself, unless you (A. Have a full time powerleveling manservant (I assume you are female so you most likely do, guys grovel for women online all the time); B. Buy gil and cheat like the rest of the pig dogs on FFXI; or C. have a very good linkshell (good luck most ls hate outsiders and overdemand, or everyone constantly begs for help until it breaks apart.)) You want easy, you take any EA sports game and earn an achievement. 300 yards passing in a game whoopie friggin doo. Lvl 75 and Rank 10? Al lot of work = <yes please>

Denial my sack. 360 ftw imo.

drmcst45

Sep 8, 2006, 12:38 PM

as long as you know the people you're playing with then there shouldn't be any problems on xbox360. I know 3 people i'll be fighting along with and we'll all have MICs so it shoudl be awesome.

I HATE stopping and trying to type while at a boss battle

Alisha

Sep 8, 2006, 12:48 PM

im lvl 75 on multiple jobs(mnk/sam/smn) after the first one the rest are easy. rank 10 is easy too.i'm refering too the actual tasks.once you have a group its pie. whats hard is fucking getting sea

i have no male slaves lol people help me because i help them and am a nice person. at least thats what i like to think.

but whatever if all my pre-existing friends from dc/gc were getting the 360 version i would get that version. but they are all getting the pc and ps2 version so thats where i'll be.

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 12:58 PM

No one is debating you over which version you should get, if you want the PC/PS2 version then that's great. You were bashing the 360 community and we disagree.

Everyone I know from GC and XB (havn't checked with the BB crowd) are playing on 360 so I'm happy with that. Plus like i said the 360 will have a perfectly fine community, smaller? yes. More adults? yes. That will probably lead to a better community in my opinion but either way it doesn't matter because we will all be happy.

And what was the attack on the 360 version of FFXI about? i don't understand what relevance that had to do with anything except the desire to know the 360 for no reason. I personally bought the HD for FFXI on pS2 and thought the game was too boring, so I didn't waste my time with the 360 version because nicer graphics wouldn't change that.

Why is it that it's always the PS2 players that want to start fights over the different version? (although Alisha may be on PC but it's usually the PS2 players). Probably because the 360 and PC players don't have an inferiority complex.

I just know that I am happy that PSU is coming to mmy most powerfull console so that i can play it with the nicer graphics, because after a year of 360 games it's getting hard to face how ugly Xbox games are never mind PS2! Although there are still some great games to play on the last gen consoles.

ShinMaruku

Sep 8, 2006, 01:36 PM

On 2006-09-07 12:46, Kers wrote:

On 2006-09-07 12:34, Mikedot wrote:

there is a line between improved graphics and further enhanced graphics that really isn't worth the extra money to pay for.

Truth be here.

I believe that looks to be an apparent problem with the PS3, not the Xbox360.

Yet again people only equate grpahics to preformance when phsysics is also equally important. Shame.....
And if ye own an Ipod and talk like that I say oh the irony.
Haters will always hate. But still if somebody is looking soley for better garphics in PSU they are even mroe sad.
PC people need not worry because the advnatage is far more evendent on theirs than on any other at this point.

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 01:49 PM

ShinMaruku I'm not sure I understand your point? The phsyics in PSU will be the same in all versions, and advanced physics requires more processing power so the more powerfull machines can do it better (but PSU will be the same all all platform so why even bring it up?).

And people are not looking only for graphics in PSU, but since all versions are the same gameplay-wise then having the nicest graphics is the main reason to choose one over another. The problem is people want to put the 360 version down just because they are getting the inferior PS2 version. The game will be every bit as good on all platforms, the communities will be just as good on 360 (albiet smaller) and the choice of voice over keyboard is a personal preference. The debate only continues because the PS2 owners keep attacking the obviously superior graphics and framerate of the 360.

So to me the choice comes down to what system you have, if you are prepared to buy an expensive new system to have the best version and if you prefer voice chat over keyboard. in the end it is all personal choice. All except the obvious fact that the PS2 version is the most inferior of the 3 (and despite how obvious that is I will probably by attacked for stating it).

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 01:56 PM

On 2006-09-08 10:48, Alisha wrote:
im lvl 75 on multiple jobs(mnk/sam/smn) after the first one the rest are easy. rank 10 is easy too.i'm refering too the actual tasks.once you have a group its pie. whats hard is fucking getting sea

i have no male slaves lol people help me because i help them and am a nice person. at least thats what i like to think.

but whatever if all my pre-existing friends from dc/gc were getting the 360 version i would get that version. but they are all getting the pc and ps2 version so thats where i'll be.

I see, yeah you are a nice person, most people would have flamed after my post there. But yeah I guess because I'm a lvl 56 blue as my first job with friends who always want my help and my advice but are always too busy to run promy or help me with AF I'm a little jaded. I'm 0 for 10 promy/holla because those who do it do not go back and do it again, and people don't want to farm animas, and I'm forced to organize a group of randoms out of jeuno, and we always lose. Can't get my linkshell to do squat, they always ask me how to do things and I'm newer + lower level. I really don't like FFXI for that reason. Unless you have good friends with years of history, putting together a good group as a new player in a world that has existed for years is near impossible, especially with the inflation due to RMT, so I just quit playing. Paid 60k for gk1, 100k for gk2, no one would help unless I paid, lol. And blue as a first job without lvl 75 help is impossible. I should have taken rdm or thf past 30 and I might have liked it. Eh, sorry about the manservant comment, its just I always run into parties where the boyfriend spends his life powerleveling, lol. Not that I complain, if I'm in the party of course. ^_^

drmcst45

Sep 8, 2006, 01:58 PM

Basically PSU on the 360 will be all that of the PS2 and then sum.

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 02:14 PM

On 2006-09-08 10:58, parabolee wrote:

And what was the attack on the 360 version of FFXI about? i don't understand what relevance that had to do with anything except the desire to know the 360 for no reason.

Nah, I don't think she attacked it, although Square Enix deserves attacking for releasing FFXI in the way it did to the XBOX 360. They knew the whole community of vets would move to aht urghan, and they needed 360 newbs to fill the gaps in the three cities and keep the auction houses going. They needed more people to fill the lower level gaps. Hey someone has to work the window at Mickey D's and they know that. I understand where she is coming from though, although I'll defend my box until it explodes, then I'll buy a new one and defend that. But FFXI for 360 should have been like the beta with its own servers. I log on the first day, some lvl 75 thf runs by me with flee and I say oh great, looks like I need to catch up to the pack already, and its day 1. RMTs and Bot campers need to be drug out out of their mother's basements into the street and shot. As the way it stands, PSU released on the first day for 360 = I finally get to be one of those leading the pack. Thats a first for an XBOX online rpg you know. Before this we had PSO and FFXI. That's it. I may even get to write a guide for the first time. I always wanted to do that, but my PC stinks and my PS2 is 6 1/2 years old, so my opportunity at getting mmos or online rpgs the day of worldwide release have been slim to none up until this point. Eh, my 2 meseta.

Alisha

Sep 8, 2006, 02:16 PM

On 2006-09-08 11:56, Valkayree wrote:

On 2006-09-08 10:48, Alisha wrote:
im lvl 75 on multiple jobs(mnk/sam/smn) after the first one the rest are easy. rank 10 is easy too.i'm refering too the actual tasks.once you have a group its pie. whats hard is fucking getting sea

i have no male slaves lol people help me because i help them and am a nice person. at least thats what i like to think.

but whatever if all my pre-existing friends from dc/gc were getting the 360 version i would get that version. but they are all getting the pc and ps2 version so thats where i'll be.

I see, yeah you are a nice person, most people would have flamed after my post there. But yeah I guess because I'm a lvl 56 blue as my first job with friends who always want my help and my advice but are always too busy to run promy or help me with AF I'm a little jaded. I'm 0 for 10 promy/holla because those who do it do not go back and do it again, and people don't want to farm animas, and I'm forced to organize a group of randoms out of jeuno, and we always lose. Can't get my linkshell to do squat, they always ask me how to do things and I'm newer + lower level. I really don't like FFXI for that reason. Unless you have good friends with years of history, putting together a good group as a new player in a world that has existed for years is near impossible, especially with the inflation due to RMT, so I just quit playing. Paid 60k for gk1, 100k for gk2, no one would help unless I paid, lol. And blue as a first job without lvl 75 help is impossible. I should have taken rdm or thf past 30 and I might have liked it. Eh, sorry about the manservant comment, its just I always run into parties where the boyfriend spends his life powerleveling, lol. Not that I complain, if I'm in the party of course. ^_^

ouch holla is the hardest. you should be able to solo farm anima's especially if you have an npc fellow set to healer style,and get a tactics pearl in the process.i seriously cant believe people charged you for genkais though the only thing related to genkais ive seen people charge for is exoray mold >.>

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 02:28 PM

On 2006-09-08 12:16, Alisha wrote:

ouch holla is the hardest. you should be able to solo farm anima's especially if you have an npc fellow set to healer style,and get a tactics pearl in the process.i seriously cant believe people charged you for genkais though the only thing related to genkais ive seen people charge for is exoray mold >.>

Hehe, I'm on Carbuncle, next to Fairy it's the greediest server with the most RMTs and cheaters, or so I've heard. It is really a terrible server. I solo farm all my animas, got my npc set to healer, all that, its just the lazy bastards I get to join me don't want to farm them. I try again with new people but its always the same. After the tenth try I gave up and decided I'd play saint's row and enchanted arms until PSU realased, then I'd give all my stuff to two guys I respect a lot on there, but are always on the other side of the world so I never see them. That's another thing about PSU, easy transport to meet up with your friends. It seems like it takes me hours to meet up with my friends on FFXI, but on PSU, it should take minutes, if not seconds.

Phalynx

Sep 8, 2006, 02:56 PM

Any MMO you play, on any console or pc, the community is the same, you have the mature players and the retards along with the 12 year olds, you cant escape them no matter where you play. So any debate on what community is "better" is a waste of time.

[ This Message was edited by: Phalynx on 2006-09-08 12:57 ]

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 03:07 PM

On 2006-09-08 12:56, Phalynx wrote:
Any MMO you play, on any console or pc, the community is the same, you have the mature players and the retards along with the 12 year olds, you cant escape them no matter where you play. So any debate on what community is "better" is a waste of time.

[ This Message was edited by: Phalynx on 2006-09-08 12:57 ]

Thats not true, the PC and XB360 has less kids than PS2. So since the kids are usually pretty immature then any community that discludes most of them is usually better.

But I agree there will not be much difference in the quality of the communities (only the quantity).

WiLDFiRe

Sep 8, 2006, 03:13 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:07, parabolee wrote:

On 2006-09-08 12:56, Phalynx wrote:
Any MMO you play, on any console or pc, the community is the same, you have the mature players and the retards along with the 12 year olds, you cant escape them no matter where you play. So any debate on what community is "better" is a waste of time.

[ This Message was edited by: Phalynx on 2006-09-08 12:57 ]

Thats not true, the PC and XB360 has less kids than PS2. So since the kids are usually pretty immature then any community that discludes most of them is usually better.

But I agree there will not be much difference in the quality of the communities (only the quantity).

parabolee can you please stop talking out of your ass and spreading YOUR OPINION as fact.

Saner

Sep 8, 2006, 03:13 PM

On 2006-09-08 12:56, Phalynx wrote:
Any MMO you play, on any console or pc, the community is the same, you have the mature players and the retards along with the 12 year olds, you cant escape them no matter where you play. So any debate on what community is "better" is a waste of time.

the PS2 and PC community will be better simply because they'll have double to triple the amount of ppl than the Xbox360 version.

which means more variety and greater potential of the linked servers lasting even longer than the Xbox360 servers. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Phalynx

Sep 8, 2006, 03:13 PM

Either way, im not worried about the community, ill manage to find a small group of people to play with and all will be well, ill be on the 360 version for anyone who would like to join me when its released.

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 03:27 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:13, Saner wrote:

the PS2 and PC community will be better simply because they'll have double to triple the amount of ppl than the Xbox360 version.

which means more variety and greater potential of the linked servers lasting even longer than the Xbox360 servers. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Oh Saner Saner Saner, you poor jaded soul. =p Maybe FFXI and WoW would require a relatively larger community to be "better" due to an in-game enonomy requiring a massive amount of individuals driving it, and would improve by having more individuals to party up with and meet with to do things like Beseiged. However those games also suffer from overpopulation in many ways (I won't bring them up, we all know them). However with a game like PSU, you can never bring more than 6 into a room, therefore the only thing a larger community is good for is to show off your character to more people in the lobby, and create larger dance parties and lobby gatherings and what not. Personally, all I require is 5 able bodies when I get online PSU, no more than that will be required. Of course, any more than that is perfectly fine, however a larger server will not be "better" one way or another. Basically (360 voice chat > enlarged community). So in this case, size doesn't matter, imo. =p

[ This Message was edited by: Valkayree on 2006-09-08 13:28 ]

Phalynx

Sep 8, 2006, 03:30 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:27, Valkayree wrote:

On 2006-09-08 13:13, Saner wrote:

the PS2 and PC community will be better simply because they'll have double to triple the amount of ppl than the Xbox360 version.

which means more variety and greater potential of the linked servers lasting even longer than the Xbox360 servers. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Oh Saner Saner Saner, you poor jaded soul. =p Maybe FFXI and WoW would require a relatively larger community to be "better" due to an in-game enonomy requiring a massive amount of individuals driving it, and would improve by having more individuals to party up with and meet with to do things like Beseiged. However those games also suffer from overpopulation in many ways (I won't bring them up, we all know them). However with a game like PSU, you can never bring more than 6 into a room, therefore the only thing a larger community is good for is to show off your character to more people in the lobby, and create larger dance parties and lobby gatherings and what not. Personally, all I require is 5 able bodies when I get online PSU, no more than that will be required. Of course, any more than that is perfectly fine, however a larger server will not be "better" one way or another. Basically (360 voice chat > enlarged community). So in this case, size doesn't matter, imo. =p

[ This Message was edited by: Valkayree on 2006-09-08 13:28 ]

Very much the truth.

Saner

Sep 8, 2006, 03:37 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:27, Valkayree wrote:

size doesn't matter, imo. =p

oh size does matter.

a community could only have 5 ppl other than yourself online and those 5 might not be qualified for ppl you would accept partying with. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

so less community = less chances of meeting decent ppl to party with.

And that would end up like those "seeking party" hours of waste even populated games like FF11 have. and if you play online to solo, what's the point? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

-Crokar-

Sep 8, 2006, 03:41 PM

well some people are fortunate enough to already have freinds from the last phantasy star game to play with. and some people dont care to try to get to be friends with 100s of people its just not gonna happen. some people will just find a group of people and play with nothing but those people.

Saner

Sep 8, 2006, 03:42 PM

whatever floats their boat. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 03:44 PM

parabolee can you please stop talking out of your ass and spreading YOUR OPINION as fact.

How about you stop being an obnoxious git and be aware that it is obviously an opinion. Only morons think that someone is stating something as a FACT merely because they did not post a disclaimer stating it is only opinion. OF COURSE it is my opinion!

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 03:48 PM

Saner

Sep 8, 2006, 03:50 PM

this game better come soon. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 03:50 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:37, Saner wrote:

oh size does matter.

a community could only have 5 ppl other than yourself online and those 5 might not be qualified for ppl you would accept partying with. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

so less community = less chances of meeting decent ppl to party with.

And that would end up like those "seeking party" hours of waste even populated games like FF11 have. and if you play online to solo, what's the point? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Great point. You speak the truth, but I was using 5 ppl as a worse case scenario because yes, 1 out of 5 people you are likely to meet up with online will most likely be from the giant turd family. Most likely I estimate at least 1000 on the 360 servers during launch week, judging by the FFXI numbers and the fact that many 360 users are dissatisfied with 360 FFXI and the way Xbox players got the shaft. Thats why I am recruiting from within my friends list at least 3 or 4 people I really get along with who are getting the game, then I can sift through the "random nub" pool (no offense intended to anyone who may or may not swim in that pool) to pull out a few who may have potential. All of us get along, so it shouldn't be too bad. It's hard to do that in mmos because the size of the world limits your ability to rendevous with your friends within the time frame of at least 30 minutes, and forming up parties can take multiple hours forcing impatient although competent players to feign participation. PSU could take minutes to seconds for all that matter, so forming up a group shouldn't be too difficult, at least for me. I do agree with your point however and size does matter, I was just making a joke =p

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 03:51 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:37, Saner wrote:

On 2006-09-08 13:27, Valkayree wrote:

size doesn't matter, imo. =p

oh size does matter.

a community could only have 5 ppl other than yourself online and those 5 might not be qualified for ppl you would accept partying with. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

so less community = less chances of meeting decent ppl to party with.

And that would end up like those "seeking party" hours of waste even populated games like FF11 have. and if you play online to solo, what's the point? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Yes but you are taking it to an extreme. Size does not equal quality. The 360 community will obviously have far more than needed to fill a team. There will be thousands of players which is more than enough.

And for those PS2 flamers please note that I am only argueing that the 360 community will be just fine, NOT that it is better (which is the point they jump to just because I disagree that the 360 community will be poor.)

DISCLAIMER: Anything I say is an OPINION!

Valkayree

Sep 8, 2006, 03:51 PM

On 2006-09-08 13:50, Saner wrote:
this game better come soon. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Hehe don't we wish ^_^

WiLDFiRe

Sep 8, 2006, 04:40 PM

How about you stop being an obnoxious git and be aware that it is obviously an opinion. Only morons think that someone is stating something as a FACT merely because they did not post a disclaimer stating it is only opinion. OF COURSE it is my opinion!

Hey Wildfire, why don't you flame Saner for stating something as a fact that is only an opinion? See above.

She even implies it is a fact when it is cleary an opinion, one which many will not agree on, quantity does not equal quality.

Saner I am not blasting you over the above, merely pointing out that Wildfire is merely flaming me because he does not like my opinion and NOT because I state opinion as fact (because I do not).

First off I didn't flame you, I merely asked that you STFU about something as stupid as what community is better.

Secondly you claim you don't have to state that it's only your opinion when stating something as a fact; Yet you constantly harrass Saner about this same issue. You complain about people saying the XBox360 version isn't going to be better graphically than the PS2, or the PS2/PC servers will be better because of community size screaming omzg fanboy stop sating your opinion as fact when you got no way of proving it fanoy FANBOY".

Than you go and make a topic specifically directed at another board member who you yell fanboy only to do the same exact thing you yell at people to stop.

I don't like hypocrites.

Oh and about me flaming Saner. I don't flame. I also don't care about issues that are started from n00bz about stuff no one knows about yet. The only thing we know right now, as in stated by Sega or Sonic Team, is that the PS2 and PC servers are linked, and that US and JP arevers aren't going to be linked.

Any topics about XBox360 servers are all based on speculation and rumor. They're not posting on, only reading all the stupid arguements people have in them.

Besides, I skip over Saner's posts as Saner's grammar and super naive, hyper, specualtions started giving me headaches months ago.

phunk

Sep 8, 2006, 05:41 PM

I like the drama here, its nice and warm.

parabolee

Sep 8, 2006, 06:22 PM

First off I didn't flame you, I merely asked that you STFU about something as stupid as what community is better.

What??? telling someone to "STFU" IS flaming. Attacking anyone for any reason on a message board is flaming, especially telling them to STFU!

Secondly you claim you don't have to state that it's only your opinion when stating something as a fact;

No I said I don't have to state everything is an opinion when it's obvious, nothing I said was stated as fact. The FACT that you don't understand that is beyond me.

Yet you constantly harrass Saner about this same issue.

I have never complained that Saner claims things as a fact that was opinion, I complained that she stated things that she knows are not true.

You complain about people saying the XBox360 version isn't going to be better graphically than the PS2, or the PS2/PC servers will be better because of community size screaming omzg fanboy stop sating your opinion as fact when you got no way of proving it fanoy FANBOY".

Your a child aren't you? I would never type "omzg" like I am an imbecile. calling someone out on bias is not biased. i have never argued a biased pointt, only fair ones. like the obvious fact that the 360 version is graphically superior and that the 360 community won't "suck" as idiots say.

Than you go and make a topic specifically directed at another board member who you yell fanboy only to do the same exact thing you yell at people to stop.

The topic is for people interested in the xbox360 version, the note to Saner was a light hearted jibe.

I don't flame. I also don't care about issues that are started from n00b.

When you tell people to STFU and that they are "talking out of there ass", you are flaming. So you most certainly do flame. what the hell do you think it means? And if you don't care then why the offensive posts? You obviously care enough to attack me over it.

And calling me a "n00b" What are you 12?

Garroway

Sep 8, 2006, 07:16 PM

Assuming that the server seperation between xbox 360 and the ps2/pc has been confirmed (and it hasn't yet) the big decision is really community based. Population is a part of community but there are other considerations as well. I think community quality is a largely under-examined factor when making this sort of decision. In all honesty I don't want most of you anywhere near me in real life or online. It seems like many of the people around here that I have grown to despise will be using the PS2/PC so that makes me lean towards the xbox 360 version.

Of course there is that text chat vs voice chat argument that was beaten to death. I like the idea of voice chat when dealing with my friends but I don't know if I'm prepared to deal with the big eyed little girl speaking with a 15 year-old boys voice (or a 35 year old males voice for that matter). Sure with text chat I know it's out there, but it's a lot easier to "la-la-la I'm not listening" the horror away when I don't have DR Girlfriend breathing heavy in my ear. So that terrifying image makes me lean towards the PS2.

McLaughlin

Sep 8, 2006, 07:21 PM

Mute button.

Best. Invention. Ever.

Numnuttz

Sep 8, 2006, 07:25 PM

On 2006-09-08 17:16, Garroway wrote:

Of course there is that text chat vs voice chat argument that was beaten to death. I like the idea of voice chat when dealing with my friends but I don't know if I'm prepared to deal with the big eyed little girl speaking with a 15 year-old boys voice (or a 35 year old males voice for that matter). Sure with text chat I know it's out there, but it's a lot easier to "la-la-la I'm not listening" the horror away when I don't have DR Girlfriend breathing heavy in my ear. So that terrifying image makes me lean towards the PS2.

lol im going to be one of those guys who make a female character and is male. ill try no tto creep you out to much.

ShinMaruku

Sep 8, 2006, 07:27 PM

On 2006-09-08 11:49, parabolee wrote:
ShinMaruku I'm not sure I understand your point? The phsyics in PSU will be the same in all versions, and advanced physics requires more processing power so the more powerfull machines can do it better (but PSU will be the same all all platform so why even bring it up?).

And people are not looking only for graphics in PSU, but since all versions are the same gameplay-wise then having the nicest graphics is the main reason to choose one over another. The problem is people want to put the 360 version down just because they are getting the inferior PS2 version. The game will be every bit as good on all platforms, the communities will be just as good on 360 (albiet smaller) and the choice of voice over keyboard is a personal preference. The debate only continues because the PS2 owners keep attacking the obviously superior graphics and framerate of the 360.

So to me the choice comes down to what system you have, if you are prepared to buy an expensive new system to have the best version and if you prefer voice chat over keyboard. in the end it is all personal choice. All except the obvious fact that the PS2 version is the most inferior of the 3 (and despite how obvious that is I will probably by attacked for stating it).

My pshycics thing is somthing else not on PSU on terms of usablity and effectiveness PS and 360 can't cut it with the PC no doubt both can't touch what I can do (No not hacking)
Of coruse the PS2 is the weakest everybody knows that. PS2 will eb used the most I beliove but regardless if you want the most it's PC.

Saner

Sep 8, 2006, 07:28 PM

On 2006-09-08 17:21, Zeta wrote:
Mute button.

Best. Invention. Ever.

lol not really.

I don't wanna hear anyone's voice

and I don't feel like talking,

so I guess if I was using voice chat, I would mute absolutely everyone! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Keyboard.

Best. Invention. Ever. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

drownedBYfire

Sep 8, 2006, 07:51 PM

Keyboard will be floatin in obscurity soon.
Really its archaic. Pretty much the same thing since i was a kid.Let's burn 'em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKqyn-gUbY

McLaughlin

Sep 8, 2006, 07:53 PM

Actually, I was replying to the person above my post. Personally, I can't stand having to stop in the middle of a battle (Read: Blue Burst >_<) to type out "I need help!".

Besides, the PC would have to be the Best. Invention. Ever. because the Keybord is just a PC peripheral (sp?).

[ This Message was edited by: Zeta on 2006-09-08 18:03 ]

peenk

Sep 8, 2006, 08:23 PM

On 2006-09-08 17:51, drownedBYfire wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcKqyn-gUbY

haha Nice!

Alisha

Sep 9, 2006, 02:07 AM

there a key difference between ps2 and the the xbox360 communinty(probally true of pc community as well) xbox360 and probally pc is full of smack talking fps players. and from my experience from ffxi these types rarely like to play much longer than an hour.

{edit}

about keyboards-
one reason i like keyboards over voice chat is that in reality i am a very shy person. when im behind a keyboard i can be more open,but for some reason with voice chat that shyness rears it's ugly head again.

[ This Message was edited by: Alisha on 2006-09-09 00:15 ]

Dirty_Filthy

Sep 9, 2006, 02:49 AM

I don't understand why everyone talks like voice chat is only available on the 360, I'm sure most of us on the PC side will be doing it too.

DraginHikari

Sep 9, 2006, 03:57 AM

These never ending circle arugement are getting fairly old by now...

PC verison doesn't have a full voice chat feature of its own... but people tend to find other methods in that case. Such as what some of my friends and I are planning.

Dynheart

Sep 9, 2006, 04:22 AM

I know that I have been using Team Speak for awhile now.

Offline or Online games I still chat with my friends, family and what have you. Voice Chat will be on the PC version I can garantee it (not integrated, of course, but through Team Speak).

[ This Message was edited by: Dynheart on 2006-09-09 02:23 ]

Darsh

Sep 9, 2006, 04:56 AM

Hey just a though,
any one play chrome hounds? I dont play the game but my brother does, and i noticed yesterday that when he has the mike (pardon the mispell, to lazy to look it up) out of the controller, the voices of the people hes playing with comes out of the TV! O.O. Now that being said, i would personally plan on useing the voice chat, but behold a theory. Since it hasnt been confirmed that the XBOX (althought pretty sure its not ) is NOT connected to ps2/pc, couldnt they use that same system between all the systems for communication? You can hear the people who would like to speak over the speakers.(or mute them if u dont) and for the shy people like Alisha who dont like to use voice chat,(its better to keep the phantasy going) you may use a keyboard.
please your thoughts ?

seraph7

Sep 9, 2006, 05:35 AM

the voice chat feature is, for the most part, useless - it's not fun listening to the constant rambling of players that abuse what it can do, & that's painful to the ears at times...by comparison, i prefer the KB - it feels more intuitive & expressive, very much the same as i type these words for the message board community to read.. ^_^

Sep 9, 2006, 06:45 AM

Although I'm gonna be defending the PS2, I'm gonna start by saying

On 2006-09-08 10:33, Valkayree wrote:
Point one: I don't care. Does it really matter if I am grouped up with a bunch of people I have to type to in order to communicate with? No, I'll be chatting with my friends across my headset, even if there are 6 of us. 6 is all you need.

That is excellently said. I really don't plan to play with anyone outside of my friends. So, regardless of which system you're on, XBox 360 or PS2/PC, you jsut to play with your friends anyways, so what is the point about arguing which system will have a better community? Both versions WILL have jerks and asshats, afterall http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Now, back to the matter at hand

Yes, the 360 is a more adult based system, but we have to keep in mind that that is based off it's cost. It's a very expensive system, wheris the PS2 system is cheap (Well, I don't really wanna add the PC version as an example, not only is it essentially the most expensive console for a well running one, but eh, by Alisha's comment about the PC FFXI players, they also will probably be the elitist players). But when you think about it, that means the community will be very much smaller.

Now, back to the point of the, "Smaller = less asshats." Well, it's probably true that you're more likely to meet some jerk on the PS2/PC servers, but since the population is bigger, you're also more likely to meet some interesting people. The 360 version I think will probably have the same amount of jerks as the PS2/PC version... wait a second, doesn't that make my previous point invalid?! Well, I mean, in a ratio aspect. There'll be a lower population, which means a lower number of asshats. Anyways, I'm just REPEATING what I've been saying, so I'll just stop (If my message didn't get across then well... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif)

Eh, the points sounded good in my head, but they totally failed typed up. Well, anyways, I'm looking forward to the PS2/PC servers anyhoo.

Soudegmksg

Sep 9, 2006, 08:35 AM

I play XI on 360-PC & PS2.
(alot of platforms I know but it wasn't just me that got them)
The PC is by far the best, you can do voice chat if you have a team-speak server and basically do all the little fun things with PC that 360 can do,
I mean the 360 is just that, a PC in a way, I mean you can multi-task, there'd be no legitment arguement which is better, hardware is what makes the game run the best.
Consoles are limited to an extent, PC's aren't.

PS2 is terrible, an MMO can't be played on it, and if so it'll lag you to high hell, the '2', can't even run 11 without lagging, names can't be seen above
a head at all, the draw distance is terrible, if you have a choice in my personal opinon, just stay away from PS2. The hardware can't support the things that
you find fun, and can't handle more then 12 people on a screen without it lagging and ruining your entire experience.
Your game WILL-NOT be enjoyable if you play on this platform I promise you, if you can avoid it, avoid it! You'll be happier!

360 Is great because it's a console..after playing 11 for 3-4 years as much as I enjoy the things PC offers in MMO's, i'd gladly switch over to 360.

A few people i've talked say that 11 is great but it feels better playing on a console, instead of having to sit on a computer for 8-10 hours a day.
Sometimes laying on a couch, or sitting in a huge room of friends while playing a console game just makes it that much funner for me personally.
XI takes *ALOT* of memory and the graphics on PSU are way better than 11. I have no doubt that 360 can run the game smooth though.

If I could choose? Nix PS2 & PC on their own servers, put 360 and PC on their own servers but it can't be like that.
I don't know which platform i'll play PSU on..for me it all depends of which most people I know from 11 goto, hopefully it's 360 though.
Any MMO i've played on PC makes me feel like it's kinda more of a job other then recreation, dunno why.
My only issue is I don't want to pick the wrong platform and play with less then 4000 people on a server, did great in japan, but we aren't japan.

Tystys

Sep 9, 2006, 08:56 AM

Meh, I don't really care about which version, but since alot of my freinds are getting PS2 version, I might as well get it also, XD.

Than again, there's always PC.

I would get the 360 version, but with most of the 360 games that I've actually played, the community is extremely low if you're not playing something like GRAW, or something among that nature...which sucks, because the 360 is an awesome system....yet almost no one has enough money to actually buy one.

Eclypse

Sep 9, 2006, 09:04 AM

For me it's all about the PC and 360 versions. I don't like playing PSO with a keyboard, and the game only feels right to me if I am holding a controller. PSOBB was horrible in my opinion and I think that could have been remedied if it were on a console, but nevertheless if the Xbox version doesn't come out on the 25th then I will be on the PC version until the Xbox version is released.

Garroway

Sep 9, 2006, 12:48 PM

PS2 is terrible, an MMO can't be played on it, and if so it'll lag you to high hell, the '2', can't even run 11 without lagging, names can't be seen above
a head at all, the draw distance is terrible, if you have a choice in my personal opinon, just stay away from PS2. The hardware can't support the things that
you find fun, and can't handle more then 12 people on a screen without it lagging and ruining your entire experience.
Your game WILL-NOT be enjoyable if you play on this platform I promise you, if you can avoid it, avoid it! You'll be happier!

I always think it's funny when people consider themselves to be the authority when it comes to what I will enjoy, and what I consider important. I really would normaly dismiss something like that as a case of poor wording, but around here you never can tell for sure.

Jusr for the record I found that the xbox 360 version of FFXI was just as unenjoyable as the PS2 version for me.

scott1114

Sep 9, 2006, 12:55 PM

On 2006-09-07 11:53, parabolee wrote:
LOL well if you prefer keyboard to voice chat then that is fair enough. I don't buy the arguement that the community will be better on PS2 at all. But I tottaly respect your preference for keyboard chat.

But I think you can stop saying that the PS2 version hold up top the 360 version now as far as visuals because apparently the diffrence is "tremendous!" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

Plus if the 360 version is coded correctly it won't suffer from the framerate issue's that the PS2 version suffers from when it get's hectic on screen (other players report that after Chapter 5 it suffers from some severe frame rate drops, I persoanlly have not experienced any up to chapter 3).

Seen videos from after chapter 5 on ps2 n no framerate issues...

TremorChrist

Sep 9, 2006, 03:20 PM

Has it been confermed whether or not the 360 will be connected to the PC/PS2 versions?

I would imagine the japanese 360 servers would have population troubles without support from the other servers.

McLaughlin

Sep 9, 2006, 03:39 PM

It HAS NOT been confirmed yet, so my fingers are still crossed >_>

I've played FFXI on PC and Xbox 360, and the game itself is unenjoyable to me. Unless you have a group of friends waiting with open arms, you'll have alot of trouble leveling up (especially when RDM is your first job >_<), or getting anything notable done (like Dynamis runs and Promies). Plus, you need to be able to devote large amounts of time to it to get anywhere worthwhile (like another town >_>). If you don't have the time to play it for 4 or 5 hours at a time, there's not much you can accomplish.

Soudegmksg

Sep 9, 2006, 04:01 PM

I started out with six IRL friends, some stopped, and now down to me and someone else, so yeah Zeta it's pretty terrible without offline support. And people take the game way to serious and ruins everything. It's hard to quit when you accomplish so much after putting in 300+ days in, I'm trying to leave it though, hopefully for PSU.

Thanks but I don't have any authority in your life Garroway, well enough authority to make you respond in a defensive way I guess. I'm glad you found 360 just as unenjoyable as PS2, PS2's hardware is nothing compared to the 360's, therefore PS2 would be more by far less enjoyable with the lag, grayed out names, etc.
I haven't lagged at a Tiamat fight(18+) or a Jorm fight either, but if I catch a breeze of lag i'll agree with you on your statements, i'm only sharing alittle knowledge I have with my experiences so nobody will get play and get enough lag to ruin their game, just trying to help someone who doesn't know which platform to get, its all their choice i'm not trying to persuade anyone, just trying to help.

Alisha

Sep 9, 2006, 07:16 PM

On 2006-09-09 13:39, Zeta wrote:
It HAS NOT been confirmed yet, so my fingers are still crossed >_>

I've played FFXI on PC and Xbox 360, and the game itself is unenjoyable to me. Unless you have a group of friends waiting with open arms, you'll have alot of trouble leveling up (especially when RDM is your first job >_<), or getting anything notable done (like Dynamis runs and Promies). Plus, you need to be able to devote large amounts of time to it to get anywhere worthwhile (like another town >_>). If you don't have the time to play it for 4 or 5 hours at a time, there's not much you can accomplish.

your joking right? rdm much like bard is a free pass to lvl 75 job once you get refresh. rdms dont even have to be lfg to get invites.

PS2 is terrible, an MMO can't be played on it, and if so it'll lag you to high hell, the '2', can't even run 11 without lagging, names can't be seen above
a head at all, the draw distance is terrible, if you have a choice in my personal opinon, just stay away from PS2. The hardware can't support the things that
you find fun, and can't handle more then 12 people on a screen without it lagging and ruining your entire experience.
Your game WILL-NOT be enjoyable if you play on this platform I promise you, if you can avoid it, avoid it! You'll be happier!

i hope you realize the ps2 version of ffxi came out BEFORE pso epsidoe 1 and 2 on gamecube.

[ This Message was edited by: Alisha on 2006-09-09 17:28 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Alisha on 2006-09-09 17:32 ]

parabolee

Sep 9, 2006, 09:40 PM

i hope you realize the ps2 version of ffxi came out BEFORE pso epsidoe 1 and 2 on gamecube.

I think you are quite incorrect about that.

FFXI (PS2) - Release Date: Mar 23, 2004

PSO Ep1&2 (GC) - Release Date: Oct 29, 2002

However I disagree with Zeta. FFXI was OK on the PS2 and I think PSU runs fine on it too.

Source -

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy11/index.html

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/rpg/phantasystaronlineei2/index.html?q=phantasy%20star%20online

[ This Message was edited by: parabolee on 2006-09-09 19:41 ]

WiLDFiRe

Sep 9, 2006, 09:46 PM

On 2006-09-09 19:40, parabolee wrote:

i hope you realize the ps2 version of ffxi came out BEFORE pso epsidoe 1 and 2 on gamecube.

I think you are quite incorrect about that.

FFXI (PS2) - Release Date: Mar 23, 2004

PSO Ep1&2 (GC) - Release Date: Oct 29, 2002

However I disagree with Zeta. FFXI was OK on the PS2 and I think PSU runs fine on it too.

Source -

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy11/index.html

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/rpg/phantasystaronlineei2/index.html?q=phantasy%20star%20online

[ This Message was edited by: parabolee on 2006-09-09 19:41 ]

Those are the NA release dates, In Japan FFXI came out earlier.

Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II 09/12/02 JP
Final Fantasy XI 05/16/02 JP

Source -
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/197345.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/data/516243.html

McLaughlin

Sep 9, 2006, 10:02 PM

your joking right? rdm much like bard is a free pass to lvl 75 job once you get refresh. rdms dont even have to be lfg to get invites.

See, getting to Thirty...three? (Been a while since I was such a low level) is the problem. No one wants half a BLM and half a WHM. And even when we do get a group, I'm told "NO MELEE!!! Just Refresh/enfeeble/sit on my ass." Normally I have no problem with enfeebling, but when the WHM thinks he/she can do it better than me and wastes all his/her MP, forcing me to heal, I get a little agitated because I get screamed at for healing.

By the way, if RDMs aren't meant to melee, why is our AF Weapon a Sword?

Play the job before you assume it's a free ride.

parabolee

Sep 9, 2006, 10:09 PM

Those are the NA release dates, In Japan FFXI came out earlier.

Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II 09/12/02 JP
Final Fantasy XI 05/16/02 JP

Source -
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/197345.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/gamecube/data/516243.html

I stand corrected http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Valkayree

Sep 10, 2006, 12:14 AM

On 2006-09-09 13:39, Zeta wrote:
I've played FFXI on PC and Xbox 360, and the game itself is unenjoyable to me. Unless you have a group of friends waiting with open arms, you'll have alot of trouble leveling up (especially when RDM is your first job >_<), or getting anything notable done (like Dynamis runs and Promies). Plus, you need to be able to devote large amounts of time to it to get anywhere worthwhile (like another town >_>). If you don't have the time to play it for 4 or 5 hours at a time, there's not much you can accomplish.

Absolutely true.

Alisha

Sep 10, 2006, 06:23 AM

On 2006-09-09 20:02, Zeta wrote:

your joking right? rdm much like bard is a free pass to lvl 75 job once you get refresh. rdms dont even have to be lfg to get invites.

See, getting to Thirty...three? (Been a while since I was such a low level) is the problem. No one wants half a BLM and half a WHM. And even when we do get a group, I'm told "NO MELEE!!! Just Refresh/enfeeble/sit on my ass." Normally I have no problem with enfeebling, but when the WHM thinks he/she can do it better than me and wastes all his/her MP, forcing me to heal, I get a little agitated because I get screamed at for healing.

By the way, if RDMs aren't meant to melee, why is our AF Weapon a Sword?

Play the job before you assume it's a free ride.

sounds like you had some bad experiences with some bad players.

DeathKnight

Sep 10, 2006, 12:51 PM

i am still hoping that the 360 will be able to use the same servers as the PC and PS2. i own all three (luckily for me i won a 360) and i've got to make a decision about which one to take and i'm feeling like putting my 360 to use however, i know my friends will be on either of the other two so its causing a bit of a dilemma. i really don't see why ST or Microsoft would want seperate servers rather than run all 3 versions on the same ones (wouldn't it cost them more money? >.> ) but if all else fails i guess i can always buy a second copy. not gonna stop me from playing PSU

Alexandrious1

Sep 10, 2006, 01:06 PM

Kids on ps2, heh good one. Let me put up some facts.

PS2s gettin old, they are shutting down everywhere, I knows mine did, it was 6 years old before it finally died, traded it for a almost brand new one for 80 bucks. Goodluck to them gettin my old one fixed to resell I done everything imaginiable for it to try and revive it a THIRD TIME. The kiddies will probably wait for PS3 by then. However this takes out only a part of the kiddies, im sure some still are saving up for that 600 dollar system.

Broadband adapter, not easy finding one, not at all, unless you order online for one good luck searchin stores.

Also note, the connection they use for their PS2 Broadband, is probably taken from a router off their PC. They would have to run another cable to the PS2 to get it to run, if their are more then 3 people in the house all using that connection, its gonna lag a bit, not adviseable.

For those who only have stubborn parents who only has one computer with one cable connection, goodluck to them, their ma/pa probably uses it for business, and would not like them to disconnect the cable, to connect to the PS2 adapter, to play. Cuz then they would have to disconnect it, put it back into the PC, so their parents can do what they need.

Their will be alot of discouragement for usage of PS2, keeping alot of kiddies out honestly.

[ This Message was edited by: Alexandrious1 on 2006-09-10 11:09 ]