WoW xpack release date changed to October 15... (psu related

[matduke]

Anyways, I'm just curious about other people opinions, because I know I might be wrong on that.

[xenokai]

I dont want WoW players on PSU anyway. (Most) are assholes so ive heard. Less people also = better lauch day for the US servers xD

[Killuminati]

I don't know maybe they did it for that reason maybe they didn't but WoW has over 7 million users do you honestly exspect them to loose many users due to PSU release?



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[Cross]

Ehh... PSU is great, but it's barely a speck on WoW's radar. I doubt Blizzard is really concerned about it.

[Kindaichi]

Blizzard doesnt give a S#!$ about psu...they have nothing to worry about. PSU is a totally different game, I dont think psu should be put in the mmorpg category.

[watashiwa]

On 2006-09-09 21:51, Kindaichi wrote:
Blizzard doesnt give a S#!$ about psu...


Quoted for truth.

[Ether]

I'm sure everyone has already decided what game they are getting. A lot of my friends still play WoW but were already planning on getting PSU, regardless of when the expansion came out

[Alisha]

WOW sucks who cares.

[watashiwa]

It does kind of suck, but it was probably one of the more fun MMORPGs, which is why I managed to hit 60 three times in it. Never had enough time for raiding or anything, though. All I ever did at 60 was go kill NPCs in other towns or go to the battlegrounds..

[Valkayree]

On 2006-09-09 21:43, xenokai wrote:
I dont want WoW players on PSU anyway. (Most) are assholes so ive heard. Less people also = better lauch day for the US servers xD




Absolutely true.

[PrinceBrightstar]

What's the source on this?

[Alisha]

On 2006-09-09 21:59, watashiwa wrote:
It does kind of suck, but it was probably one of the more fun MMORPGs, which is why I managed to hit 60 three times in it. Never had enough time for raiding or anything, though. All I ever did at 60 was go kill NPCs in other towns or go to the battlegrounds..



as opposed to ffxi i hated it. some friends tried to get me into it but i couldnt get into it.the thing i hated the most about WOW was the race restrictions on the classes,and the utter lack of classes.i wanted to play druid but night elves are like the mithra of wow and tauren are like the galka. 2 races in ffxi i fervently hate.

[Shinjiro]

On 2006-09-09 21:43, xenokai wrote:
I dont want WoW players on PSU anyway. (Most) are assholes so ive heard.


That is quite true. One time I needed 1 Silver (1 Silver = 100 copper pieces = nothing) to get an item in the auction house, and I literally asked about 50 lvl 60s and about half of them were fully equipped in epic gear, and no one gave me even 1 copper... finally, one guy was nice and gave me like 10 gold, which was like 100x more than I needed, but it was nice... But, I quit WoW a long time ago.

Also, about FFXI, that game was created really nicely, but it took like 1 hour just to get to level 2, and I played like the whole summer probably 2-3 years ago and got something like lvl 24/8, and I quit because it took so long just for one level... And you could de-level, which really pissed me off. I quit that a really long time ago.

But for PSU... 3 words: It. will. pwn.

[Sev]

No one cares about WoW. Wow is WoW, PSU is PSU. Whether they're release around the same date or not isn't related. People that are gonna get PSU are gonna get it. People that are gonna get the WoW expansion are gonna get it. People that can get both have money, I donj't.

Either way, I'm gonna be on PSU. Sorry for the spelling, I'm not sober.

There's nothing wrong with WoW players for the most part, they're just daxed by how WoW is. It's an easy MMO, it's alot easier then the others, and therefor it hooks alot of people in. It's not that it's that much better, because comin from playing both FXI and CoH/CoV are much more in depth games... It's just that WoW isn't hard to be good at, and it drags people into it because of it. Once again. I apologize if my thoughts make no sense... 21st birthday... This is as much sense as i can make at the time.



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[AlterEgo]

This is coming from a current avid endgame WoW player.

WoW's community is mostly crap(If you've been in WoW's community, you will know it is safe to generalize without seeming biased.), pretty much due to the type of individuals interested in the game. I've met more rude players than I can count, compared to the people I have met that I actually enjoyed playing with. You won't have to worry about these types of people coming to play PSU, because they are generally not interested in anime-esque, Japanese oriented games.

It's also safe to say that PSU will not so much as even dent WoW's market even if they pushed the release date further back than it was. Knowing Blizzard, I'm not so sure if it will actually come out October 15th. If it does, I wonder if it will actually be a working product.

[Ryudo]

Oh noes, no chinese gold farmers for us =(

[Numnuttz]

hhahahahaha chinese gold farmers. ive had my run ins with them before. tring to have a conversation with them is funny. i usually say, " gil farmer you" or something like that lol

But anyways yea i agree with alot of you guys that WoW is not that great and FFxi is hard to play.There will be cross over from both games into PSu though which will add to the community of PSU players which i think is a semi good thing. All i can say though is dont tell a group of WoW players that the game is not that great and hope to get out of the conversation on neutral ground.

[Yoruichi]

On 2006-09-10 00:49, AlterEgo wrote:
This is coming from a current avid endgame WoW player.

WoW's community is mostly crap(If you've been in WoW's community, you will know it is safe to generalize without seeming biased.), pretty much due to the type of individuals interested in the game. I've met more rude players than I can count, compared to the people I have met that I actually enjoyed playing with. You won't have to worry about these types of people coming to play PSU, because they are generally not interested in anime-esque, Japanese oriented games.

It's also safe to say that PSU will not so much as even dent WoW's market even if they pushed the release date further back than it was. Knowing Blizzard, I'm not so sure if it will actually come out October 15th. If it does, I wonder if it will actually be a working product.



You have some good points but it seems a bit biased. This forum community alone we've seen the same type of behavior heck even in this post alone. I mean stating the game sucks then not even advancing in it because of race/class combinations. In the generalization of the worse WoW community I agree and I think its a game mechanic because the game is just too easy, I've seen people go from 1-60 in 2weeks meaning younger players could play get far even with low social skills.

FFXI seemed to breed a different player to me, more difficult and more cruel. It bread more elitism and hurt players who didn't want to take the intiative to make groups and have a small circle of friends to level. The best part of FFXI to me was the combat system 90% of the game outside of that I didn't care much for.

In the end I prefer WoW over FFXI interface was just cleaner and more customizable and the simplicity of everything from crafting to even escaping mobs that made the game fun. Like WoW and PSO, PSU looks to be great for casual players. The expansion comming out early will be just like blizzard patch days, just asking for disaster and server shut down hotfixes.

If anyone has doubts on WoWs community go to any server and go to barrens general chat lol.

[UniKoRn]

Even though I want the WoW expansion... PSU is far higher on my priority list.

I've sunk a lot of time into WoW over the last year and a half, but it has in no way beaten the love that I have for PSO!

[AlterEgo]

On 2006-09-10 02:39, Yoruichi wrote:

You have some good points but it seems a bit biased. This forum community alone we've seen the same type of behavior heck even in this post alone. I mean stating the game sucks then not even advancing in it because of race/class combinations. In the generalization of the worse WoW community I agree and I think its a game mechanic because the game is just too easy, I've seen people go from 1-60 in 2weeks meaning younger players could play get far even with low social skills.

FFXI seemed to breed a different player to me, more difficult and more cruel. It bread more elitism and hurt players who didn't want to take the intiative to make groups and have a small circle of friends to level. The best part of FFXI to me was the combat system 90% of the game outside of that I didn't care much for.

In the end I prefer WoW over FFXI interface was just cleaner and more customizable and the simplicity of everything from crafting to even escaping mobs that made the game fun. Like WoW and PSO, PSU looks to be great for casual players. The expansion comming out early will be just like blizzard patch days, just asking for disaster and server shut down hotfixes.

If anyone has doubts on WoWs community go to any server and go to barrens general chat lol.



Forgive me if I misinterperated something obvious, but I'm not sure where I was biased.

I wasn't flaming either game, I was simply stating WoW's community is not very good, which you agreed with me on.

In no way did I mentioned any bad thing about either game, except for the comment about WoW's community, in my last post.


Many have their own personal beliefs as to why one game has a better community than others. One of those beliefs, in example, is the one you believe, that the an easier game gives rise to more rude individuals at endgame. I disagree with this because I believe it is too biased.

FFXI and WoW each require a lot of effort, and believe it or not WoW is a very social game, just not pre-endgame. FFXI has a long grind to 75 without much content after reaching 75 but promotes socialism along the way, where WoW requires a very short grind to level 60 with most of it's attractive content and socialism available at this level. Most assume that level 60 in WoW means endgame, therefore being able to get to level 60 makes WoW too easy. I believe they couldn't be more wrong. Level 60, most WoW players would agree, is the "start" of WoW. Where to advance you must spend 5-7 hours a day, 3-6 days of the week raiding to get equipment, along with hours of farming to get money for much needed consumables for those raids. FFXI has this as well, of course, however WoW offers much much more in terms of content after level 60.

Aside from that, why would a game being easier have a worse community than other games? There really isn't much of a reason for there to be a difference in community between games depending on difficulty.

I believe the reason for the difference is the community players hail from. When I mentioned WoW players do not general like anime-esque, Japanese oriented games, the reason is that WoW's community is probably mostly based upon average western gamers. Gamers who mostly play FPS or RTS-style games, the ones who went ballistic over X-BOX 360's announcement. If you understand a little about the community these players hail from, you would know how competitive and rude a lot of these people are in their community.

Players who choose FFXI and PSU come from a different community. Most players who play FFXI, PSO, or up-coming PSU will have some sort of anime or Japanese-style RPG background. You know the community that these players come from pretty well as you're in it now. More of a friendly, social, less-competitive enviroment than WoW.

Of course this is all speculation and it is definitely not from a sociology major, but I believe this to be somewhat factual.



Unikorn:

Even though I want the WoW expansion... PSU is far higher on my priority list.

I've sunk a lot of time into WoW over the last year and a half, but it has in no way beaten the love that I have for PSO!

Yeah, I honestly feel the same way. I'm a bit glad they have pushed Burning Crusade's release date before PSU's so I can have something more to do while waiting for PSU, lol.

WoW will still probably be a better game than PSU as far as interface, game play, and content goes, but PSO will always remain my favorite RPG because of the memories I have had playing it. PSU will certainly take over WoW for me.

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[PrinceBrightstar]

Excuse me guys, but i think this guy has sparked a debate that has no truth. Joined only a few days ago and only 3 posts. Doesn't sound like the kind of person who would break such a huge story to us easily. Unless we see a source on this story for the bump in WoW's expansion, i think we should just end the conversation since it's not true then.

[Sessilu]

On 2006-09-09 21:54, watashiwa wrote:


On 2006-09-09 21:51, Kindaichi wrote:
Blizzard doesnt give a S#!$ about psu...


Quoted for truth.



Same, as such, PSU does pwn WoW, in my eyes that is, but that's only my preference.

[DarkShadowX]

On 2006-09-10 05:59, Sessilu wrote:


On 2006-09-09 21:54, watashiwa wrote:


On 2006-09-09 21:51, Kindaichi wrote:
Blizzard doesnt give a S#!$ about psu...


Quoted for truth.



Same, as such, PSU does pwn WoW, in my eyes that is, but that's only my preference.



Exactly, nothing but the truth there.

[EtherForce]

I doubt WoW's next expansion would change many people's minds about getting PSU.

[Yoruichi]

Forgive me if I misinterperated something obvious, but I'm not sure where I was biased.

I wasn't flaming either game, I was simply stating WoW's community is not very good, which you agreed with me on.

In no way did I mentioned any bad thing about either game, except for the comment about WoW's community, in my last post.


Many have their own personal beliefs as to why one game has a better community than others. One of those beliefs, in example, is the one you believe, that the an easier game gives rise to more rude individuals at endgame. I disagree with this because I believe it is too biased.

FFXI and WoW each require a lot of effort, and believe it or not WoW is a very social game, just not pre-endgame. FFXI has a long grind to 75 without much content after reaching 75 but promotes socialism along the way, where WoW requires a very short grind to level 60 with most of it's attractive content and socialism available at this level. Most assume that level 60 in WoW means endgame, therefore being able to get to level 60 makes WoW too easy. I believe they couldn't be more wrong. Level 60, most WoW players would agree, is the "start" of WoW. Where to advance you must spend 5-7 hours a day, 3-6 days of the week raiding to get equipment, along with hours of farming to get money for much needed consumables for those raids. FFXI has this as well, of course, however WoW offers much much more in terms of content after level 60.

Aside from that, why would a game being easier have a worse community than other games? There really isn't much of a reason for there to be a difference in community between games depending on difficulty.





This reason I blame the simplicity of WoW its general comunity downfall is simple itself. I really believe that the game itself being that easy helps appeal to not only old but young audiences

Taking the core basics of two classes lets compare rogue/thief and hunter/ranger.

A Rogue can sit there and spam sinister strike and kill things her level fine, as a thief in FFXI has to sub nin, use sleep bolts for sneak attack, and etc to be an effective soloer.

A Hunter puts her pet on the mob which is normally set to automaticly taunt for the hunter keeps the monster on it while the hunter can autoshoot with no specials to solo effectly. Now the old ranger subbed ninja and strap on alot of ranged accuracy gear and some attack gear and did ok, new rangers loose so much accuracy in melee range the need for more accuracy gear over damage was overwhelming. On top of that Ranger is not like redmage/nin or thief/nin so soloing is not the most efficent option.

I really believe that the game itself being that easy helps appeal to not only old but young audiences

[Fleece]

Time based / Turn Based combat never did anything for me. Such as i believe that WoW and FFXI are rubbish because of it. Also i didnt like standing around for 3 hours getting a party together on FFXI but at least FF had a better community than WoW, That game made my eyes bleed and made my brain liquify its so simple.

I still have times when it leaks down my nose.

[matduke]

egad!

[AlterEgo]

On 2006-09-10 05:43, Jonathan_F wrote:
Excuse me guys, but i think this guy has sparked a debate that has no truth. Joined only a few days ago and only 3 posts. Doesn't sound like the kind of person who would break such a huge story to us easily. Unless we see a source on this story for the bump in WoW's expansion, i think we should just end the conversation since it's not true then.



He actually makes a good point.

Where did you find this information out, Matduke? I play WoW frequently and check for updates. No one to my knowledge has heard anything official from Blizzard since they said they would release it in Q4 2006. Even then, they said that they would not release an unfinished project, so that timeframe may change. Mostly everyone is going off of GameStop/EB release dates, which they have not changed.

[Parn]

I don't know about you folks, but I played Final Fantasy XI on and off shortly after Rise of the Zilart released in Japan, and I don't recall ever running into this community that supposedly is so much better than World of Warcraft's. People are constantly divided among so many linkshells and put up a face while partying, choosing to deal with however good or bad the party is, but complain about how so-and-so sucks in their linkshell chat behind those individual's backs. If it's not complaining about someone's gear, they're complaining about how annoying their macros are. You all who've played the game know it's true. And don't get me started on the "end-game" of FFXI...

Individuals who were genuinely interested in this game will still get it, WoW expansion or not. Games are successful based on word of mouth and how good the game is. A large portion of it will be based on how it launches in the US, since first impressions are pretty key. If it suffers from what the Japanese and importers are experiencing early on for a whole week, it's not going to go too well, I figure.

[RoninJoku]

It's better this way imo... I'd rather not have to see people leave PSU for the WoW expansion... This way, they never come over in the first place... It means less goodbyes, basically...

[WiLDFiRe]

Arguing over generalizations about WoW and FFXI communities is like arguing over generalizations about PC/PS2 and XBox360 PSU communities.

[Tystys]

Well, I don't really care but from the things I've been hearing about WoW's community, if most of them even come here, I'm going to do nothing but laugh. From what I've heard, apparently it's easy to solo in WoW...imagine the pain those people will have to go through trying to solo a dragon at level 3-5, bwahahahahha.

I also don't think that PSU will really change WoW's popularity....unless we pull out something insanely awesome, O_O

[Kindaichi]

FFXI...best mmorpg hands down, loads of content and rich in story. BLM was the best lol..I got to lvl 60 but then had to stop to save money for psu http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Ocin]

I don't really see how it's bad of them to do this. It's simply a business decision. The goal of game creators is normally to get more sales. If PSU is going to get in the way of their sales, they probably SHOULD do this. Besides, this would mean less bums. =D

[Tystys]

It's bad mainly because they set the release date for November for a reason.

If this news is true, than that means they just rushed it for some odd reason.

[Alexandrious1]

Kk ill clear this up for everyone.

PSU is more like a MORPG.

WoW does suck, I got to max lv, nothing to do except maybe level an alt, wait for a raid to do at MC or BWL 2-3 times a week *was on a RP server, I was in the best guild in it but they were semi hardcore* Or pvp at the Battlegrounds, BGs basically.

PVP was a joke, their was a horde guild who had perfected tactics, pvped every day all day, they were all about pvp they didnt do any pve at all, and soon as my guild who mostly was made up of PVP battleground noobs, got their MC/BWL gear, I went in with 9 of the noobs in the CTF BG against the PVP horde guild, and raped them.

Yes, raped them, skill didnt matter, how could it matter? We had a hunter with a bow that kills orc warriors before they could reach her. I had my Judgement armor with Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros hammer, raising total hell with it, my Gnomish deathray, and thorium grenades. I could be left guarding the flag with my hunter guild mate, they would send 6, wed kill em all.

Truth be told, wow sucks lol. Theirs no skill in it, just who has the better equips.

FFXI. You think the community in wow sucks? Wont even come close to FFXI, its get the most self centered, backstabbing bunch of idiots id ever seen in a mmo. To be in a high end, specially as a paladin, can be difficult, they would expect you to play more then 7 hours a day, they would expect you at almost every raid, and even at times the recruitment process before they let you become a normal member, not on pending status, takes 1-3 months.

The economy is out of control last I saw, the GMs in it are English Biast, all the high end guilds use bots and programs to get a HNM first. SE still has done nothing bout it last I checked.

Welp, those were the last two mmos Ive played, played many others before em. EQ, EQ2, CoH, AC, RO, ya name it. Im retired from mmos now and wish only to play morpgs, which is what PSU is.

I dont care what players enter it from ffxi or WoW, sure the WoW community can be half if not nearly as bad as ffxis, but hey, long as they dont speak l33t, beg for pvp and generally dont act like kids, I wouldnt care where they came from.

Also concerning the question on WoWs rush? They done this before, I believe they done the move cuz they are losing players out of boredom, its been too long for them to create an expansion pack, way too long, so they need to get it out pronto. Also note, the mmo Vanguard and RO2 is on the horizon, also wasnt their some new FPS mmo called Huxley comin out soon? Could also be another reason why they rushed it.

Vanguard, sighs I would play that, but RL sucks and having only 7-9 hours a day to play a mmo in the way I prefer to play is just not possible now. Its lookin good too -_-

Nuff said.



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[CherryLunar]

On 2006-09-10 10:05, Alexandrious1 wrote:
Kk ill clear this up for everyone.

PSU is more like a MORPG.

WoW does suck, I got to max lv, nothing to do except maybe level an alt, wait for a raid to do at MC or BWL 2-3 times a week *was on a RP server, I was in the best guild in it but they were semi hardcore* Or pvp at the Battlegrounds, BGs basically.

PVP was a joke, their was a horde guild who had perfected tactics, pvped every day all day, they were all about pvp they didnt do any pve at all, and soon as my guild who mostly was made up of PVP battleground noobs, got their MC/BWL gear, I went in with 9 of the noobs in the CTF BG against the PVP horde guild, and raped them.

Yes, raped them, skill didnt matter, how could it matter? We had a hunter with a bow that kills orc warriors before they could reach her. I had my Judgement armor with Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros hammer, raising total hell with it, my Gnomish deathray, and thorium grenades. I could be left guarding the flag with my hunter guild mate, they would send 6, wed kill em all.

Truth be told, wow sucks lol. Theirs no skill in it, just who has the better equips.

FFXI. You think the community in wow sucks? Wont even come close to FFXI, its get the most self centered, backstabbing bunch of idiots id ever seen in a mmo. To be in a high end, specially as a paladin, can be difficult, they would expect you to play more then 7 hours a day, they would expect you at almost every raid, and even at times the recruitment process before they let you become a normal member, not on pending status, takes 1-3 months.

The economy is out of control last I saw, the GMs in it are English Biast, all the high end guilds use bots and programs to get a HNM first. SE still has done nothing bout it last I checked.

Welp, those were the last two mmos Ive played, played many others before em. EQ, EQ2, CoH, AC, RO, ya name it. Im retired from mmos now and wish only to play morpgs, which is what PSU is.

I dont care what players enter it from ffxi or WoW, sure the WoW community can be half if not nearly as bad as ffxis, but hey, long as they dont speak l33t, beg for pvp and generally dont act like kids, I wouldnt care where they came from.

Also concerning the question on WoWs rush? They done this before, I believe they done the move cuz they are losing players out of boredom, its been too long for them to create an expansion pack, way too long, so they need to get it out pronto. Also note, the mmo Vanguard and RO2 is on the horizon, also wasnt their some new FPS mmo called Huxley comin out soon? Could also be another reason why they rushed it.

Vanguard, sighs I would play that, but RL sucks and having only 7-9 hours a day to play a mmo in the way I prefer to play is just not possible now. Its lookin good too -_-

Nuff said.



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Amen.


FFXI had a horrible community and the economy was outrageous.

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[Pirat]

the burning crusade beta test hasnt even startet yet. so 15th october cant be possible.

[matduke]

egad!

[Dirty_Filthy]

I see a lot of irrational WoW hate from everyone these days. It's okay to not like something, but to bash it at every opportunity is a little silly. WoW is a popular game, we all know that, it's not popular because it sucks. Everyone says the PvP in WoW sucks because it's EQ based, while this is somewhat true, to say it requires no skill to PvP in WoW is disingenuous. I've seen videos of naked rogues with the level one dagger smoke players who have full epic gear, how is that EQ based?

I've always said that the worst part of every online game are the people playing it. I hate to tell you, but all of us hail from an online game that has such an atrocious record it's the stuff of legend. NOL, BSOD, Corruption, and that is just a small fraction of the things the PSO community gave birth to. How can we judge someone for saying 'pwned' a little too much?

Every game community, not to sound grandiose about it, is a reflection of society. And just like in the real world, idiots and morons have everyone else FAR outnumbered.

[jstroh]

October 15th is a lie...

[Pirat]

well if its really 15th october, i need a second pc, 4 hands and 2 heads!

[Ryoga4523]

This game is nothing like WoW (thank God) and hopefully it never will be. When I first got on PSO everyone was helpful, even the random idiots in the lobbies were somewhat helpful. First starting off in FFXI, SWG, and WoW were all but nice. Final Fantasy was rediculous because I did not know anyone, and the few friends that I managed to team up with, told me that I was not killing or healing enough and to go back to the beginning area again (I was at lvl 10 or 11 at that point), SWG was just plain garbage. This was my first BIG mmo, and there is obviously a reason why it is hard to jump right in to mmo's. It took me like 4 days to get to lvl 7 or 8. I had no clue where I was going, and just gave up a couple of weeks later; no body really even wanted to help out in that game. WoW was a bit nicer when it comes to ppl helping out, but that is only for start up char's. If you manage to get into a sufficeint guild (one that has a lot of players that play frequently) most of the time, the guild members will care more about their alternate characters than about your primary character. Mass fighting would erupt over epic gear, and it eventually became one sided (horde v. alliance)... All in all, nothing compares to the hours that I spent enjoying PSO on all of its platforms. From DC all the way to PC. The communities in PSO have always been nice. Even when I got some of my rares stolen (I blame myself because I was young and stupid wanting to see something get duped... basically the guy said I can dupe any item, I gave him something of value, and I never heard from him again... word of advice is to always get ppl's guild cards) Cant wait to meet new ppl and enjoy the fantastic world of PSU http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Number6]

They didn't "invent it" referring to the release date? Ummm, yeah. They did. You obviously never worked for a video game retailer before.

There is NO RELEASE DATE for the expansion yet. October 15th is a GUESS. An ESTIMATE. This thread is troll bait and a rumor/lies mill.

[Miphesto]

i was a wow player...and how can u say ..just cuz someone plays a game they are an asshole....it's not like wow attracts more assholes...it's probably just the way the game is played

[UniKoRn]

The current release date for WoW Burning Crusade is 24th November (in Australia at least!)
PSU has not been on the Aussie lists for months, but it has finally showed up in the Xbox 360 list for 31st October (again Australian release date)

My source here: http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=5247

Strangely enough we don't have the PC or PS2 versions on the list O_O BUT if the PC version shows up soon I won't have to import the US version if its going to be released here only a week later!



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[Authenticate]

I was probably more fortunate than most players on WoW, because I didn't meet an excessive ammount of jerks. Few ninjas, few gold farmers, but overall it wasn't that bad.

FFXI was worse for me (still enjoyable), but that might have been because it was my first MMO and I wasn't expecting so many greedy "ME ME ME" people. I remember one of my white mage friends (only "male" white mage in the social LS I was in) not even wanting to help out people he played with all the time unless they were willing to "compensate" him for his "time". People even went out of their way to help the bastid, and he straight up told them he wanted gil or he was just going give them the finger and get an EXP party. I made it a point not to help him get his AF unless another person needed it as well.

Ranting iz fun.

[peenk]

On 2006-09-09 21:43, xenokai wrote:
I dont want WoW players on PSU anyway. (Most) are assholes so ive heard. Less people also = better lauch day for the US servers xD

I hate WoW with a passion but I disagree that WoW has a worse community than any other or most other mmorpg.
Especially when it comes down to a person who did not even play the game.

[Number_Zero]

I think they are doing this more so to compete with Guild Wars: Nightfall then PSU. Yes Phantasy Star is a good game but is its subscription base in the millions, in the US? No. Currently GW has over 2 million subscribers, WoW has 7 million.

[Yoruichi]

On 2006-09-10 18:35, Number_Zero wrote:
I think they are doing this more so to compete with Guild Wars: Nightfall then PSU. Yes Phantasy Star is a good game but is its subscription base in the millions, in the US? No. Currently GW has over 2 million subscribers, WoW has 7 million.



Exactly thats why PSU is just a small blip on the radar. People who are loyal to the series will pick it up regardless, and depending on the US advertising new and old players will come in heaps.

[matduke]

On 2006-09-10 15:54, Number6 wrote:
They didn't "invent it" referring to the release date? Ummm, yeah. They did. You obviously never worked for a video game retailer before.

There is NO RELEASE DATE for the expansion yet. October 15th is a GUESS. An ESTIMATE. This thread is troll bait and a rumor/lies mill.



Alright. Sorry!

[Natrokos]

Real Phantasy Star fans will jump at the chance to get this game, personally I don't care about WoW hype at all.

[Phaze37]

All i can say though is dont tell a group of WoW players that the game is not that great and hope to get out of the conversation on neutral ground.

Very true. I remember during my short time playing WoW, me and my party were having a conversation about different fantasy universes. One guy was talking about Lord of the Rings, the rest of them were talking about fantasy universes that I'd never heard of, and I brought up the Warhammer universe. This is when the conversation turned into one of the stupidest arguments I've ever been involved in. I pointed out the very true fact that the Warcraft universe is a blatant ripoff of the Warhammer universe. THE OTHER 5 PEOPLE IN MY PARTY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND. This was annoying to no end because I'm 110% sure that I was right. Fact: Warcraft was originally going to be a RTS set in the already well-established Warhammer universe, but Games Workshop (The company that produces Warhammer) backed out of the deal because Blizzard wanted to make sweeping changes to GW's well-loved fantasy universe, as well as making the gameplay completely different from the tabletop miniature wargame. After GW backed out Blizzard made almost no changes to the game, the official artwork, or the whacked-out version of the Warhammer universe they came up with before releasing it. This is why the two games have such striking similarities, such as the fact that Warcraft orcs have the same design as the once-original Warhammer orcs. Even when presented with irrefutable proof that the Warhammer universe has been around longer than the Warcraft universe, they stuck to their incorrect beliefs like ignorant children, refusing to drop their belief that Warhammer ripped off Warcraft. Because we all know that Wikipedia and the GW website are lying by saying that Warhammer has been around for 23 years >_< I actually gave them the URL and a few of them said they checked Wikipedia and they still didn't believe me, saying that Wikipedia can be wrong. Such infuriating ignorance! They simply refused to hear anything negative about their favoured fantasy universe. The only things Warhammer "ripped off" were the only two older fantasy universes that are still around today; Lord of the Rings and D&D, and I hardly consider it a ripoff considering the huge differences between these 3 universes. These differences are much greater than the differences between Warhammer and Warcraft, which is why I refer to Warcraft as a ripoff.

I'd also like to point out that the Starcraft universe is also a blatant ripoff of GW's Warhammer 40,000 universe, but don't tell this fact to hardcore Starcraft players unless you want them to put your head on a pike. Terrans = Space Marines. Zerg = Tyrannids. Protoss = Eldar.

That's far from the only time I came across ignorant morons in WoW, and they weren't even the only people I had the same argument with, but that incident really sticks out in my memory because my entire party was against me and stuck to their beliefs even when proved wrong.

I think the fact that PSU is going to have far fewer players than WoW is a blessing; the community will be smaller but much better. I think even the most hardcore Phantasy Star fan is willing to admit that the Phantasy Star universe borrows alot from Star Wars (though unlike Warcraft it has enough differences to make it cool)

[Phalynx]

What do you consider borrowed from Star Wars?

[Pirat]

http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/index.php

well look at the two guys holding the laser swords. the first thing i thought was "lol, star wars?"
if you dont think its stolen from star wars, somethings wrong with you!

[Phalynx]

Haha, sure i can see that, but laser swords are one thing, what else is there? Any other Science fiction thing such as all the space ships and robots and such cant be considered a star wars thing. Its part of the genre.

[Niki]

It's strange, most of the things for which I criticise WoW players [i.e. obsession, constant stat/gear talk, obsession, anthropomorphising characters that are really just graphical representations of mathematical equations, obsession, and probably most annoying - referring to their characters as 'I'] I am now guilty of myself in regards to PSU.

I've never played WoW, for fear of the unhealthy interest it seemed to create, but as an MMORPG I'm sure its community is a lot nicer than RF Online's, which, as an MMORVRCG, is naturally unfriendly since the whole point of playing is to grief/steal/own/train/grind/repeat and so forth. With lots of Cockney vernacular.

I agree that a smaller community for PSU will probably make for easier play. I have a few friends that will be quitting WoW for PSU, but a majority of the WoW players I know aren't concerned with it.

[Losodo1976]

WoW expansion? That won't impact PSU at all. In fact, I know a ridiculous amount of people who play WoW (I used to play as well, had a 60 mage) and they are all sick of it but some of them are having a hard time quitting, lol.

I've been hyping PSU for ages with these people. Once they see how fun PSU is they will switch for sure. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[WiLDFiRe]

On 2006-09-10 22:35, Phalynx wrote:
What do you consider borrowed from Star Wars?





If you ever played the original, you'd see that Phantasy Star was influenced by Star Wars and a lot of other things.

*SPOILERS* for anyone who has never played Phantasy Star


- The best non dungeon bought weapon was a Light Saber.
- Medusa from Greek mytholgy was a enemy, complete with having to obtain a legendary Mirror Shield to defeat her.
- You found a robot that resembles R2-D2
- There are guards that look almost identical to Storm Troopers
- There are guards that look like RoboCop
- In PSO the magic users are cale "Forces"
- PSO had Double Sabers, just like StarWars: Episode1
- The planest of Algol, Motavia a desert world like Tatoonie. Dezo is ice like Hoth.

For more info go to http://www.phantasystarwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page



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[Natrokos]

Phaze, I had a very similiar experience with a co-worker who plays WoW. Very infuriating. I like Warcraft (for the most part.) but some of the fan base refuse to acknowledge anything less than perfection.

[Natrokos]

On 2006-09-10 22:39, Pirat wrote:
http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/index.php

well look at the two guys holding the laser swords. the first thing i thought was "lol, star wars?"
if you dont think its stolen from star wars, somethings wrong with you!



Star Wars invented neither lasers nor swords. Not that Phantasy Star did either. I'd call it a futuristic stereotype and not a deliberate rip-off. Star Wars just comes to mind because it is a generation spanning multi million dollar franchise that is extremely popular.

[Dahilia]

The October 15th release date came from Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BWZY7Q/sr=8-1/qid=1154425188/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-6704270-2585718?ie=UTF8). I see they've fixed it now to say November 15th; a typo that threw a lot of folks out of whack.

Nonetheless *climbs on soapbox* I played WoW for a year, and I will agree with those who say that the player community of WoW does suck (there ARE exceptions- I didn't play for a year just over the loot). Mostly in the endgame- well, just about all in endgame-, I've seen WoW bring out the worst in otherwise decent people. Most endgame raiding (there aren't many solo questlines for higher levels) takes 4-6 hours on average in big groups of 10-40; 2 if you have a group that's familiar with the dungeon. This can lead to lots of unecessary stress to be seen in a game, of all places. People would get mad over not having rare,epic, or maybe even legendary loot. Better loot=better PVPer which means the longer you played the game a day, the better you were- no skill needed. Also in PVP, the honor system. People who PVPed more hours of the day got more points- it, too, wasn't a skill but a grind-based reward system.

So, WoW players coming to PSU might not be a bad thing unless the bad habits they adopted from WoW stick. But, if PSU is like PSO and pretty much light in terms of grinding, they'll get bored and quit after they have all their characters to the cap.

On the other hand, PSU is going to have a lot more wapanese than WoW for obvious reasons; but they may still be playing the import if the servers haven't merged. Still, I'd rather endure wapanese than loot-crazy WoW players.

Rofl. I can't see Blizzard caring about PSU, in all honesty. I've spoken to people who plan on playing both at the same time. Oy.



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[zofia]

On 2006-09-10 03:07, UniKoRn wrote:
Even though I want the WoW expansion... PSU is far higher on my priority list.

I've sunk a lot of time into WoW over the last year and a half, but it has in no way beaten the love that I have for PSO!



Short, to the point, and perfectly covers my opinions on this issue.

WoW was (is) fun, but in the end it is a mmorpg. Much less painful than FFXI or EQ or other more hardcore mmorpg's, but a mmorpg nonetheless.

PSO is the single greatest online rpg I have ever played. I *still* boot up GC PSO a few times a year just to mess around, and that's saying something considering most of us started with PSO back on Dreamcast in early 2001... over 5 years ago.

Once PSU is out WoW is over for me. Its just that simple.

[Fazeshot]

sadly... ffxi owns wow... its not that hard to level.. saw some1 say it took him all summer break to hit 24? ????? HUH!? i can hit lvl 10 in one night and thats not rushing .... it did take me one year to hit 75 but thats because I spent alot of my time from 70-75.. doing end-game things instead of leveling. as for PSU... I am currently playing WoW and I'm still contemplating if I wanna quit wow for psu because I am about to hit 60 soon (im lvl 51) I probobly will because I've played every version of PSO to this date and still can't get enough.

[Sexy_Raine]

Whoa, I see a lot of bashing on other games here, not that I really care though.http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Seriously, if anyone really cares about this new WOW expansion more PSU, then that person doesn't even belong on this board.
I although I haven't played PSU yet, the community here is filled with die-hard fans that know what they're talking about. The number of new people on this forum has incresed a lot over the past month. I certainly hope idiot WOW fans don't come here and mess up our community.