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Pacpunk
Sep 21, 2006, 12:23 PM
Does anyone know when the xbox360 demo will be up on the market place for download. i really want to play it.

-Crokar-
Sep 21, 2006, 12:25 PM
no no one knows

Pacpunk
Sep 21, 2006, 12:25 PM
oh ok just wondering thanks

xenokai
Sep 21, 2006, 12:28 PM
once its up ill post about it.

-Crokar-
Sep 21, 2006, 12:28 PM
im pretty sure you wont be the only one

drmcst45
Sep 21, 2006, 01:48 PM
*correction, according to pso-world.com; PSU US Release Countdown - [Time left: 32 days, 9 hours and 9 minutes]

so technically the demo could come out in 2 days (Saturday) and give us 1 month beta


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krayzie
Sep 21, 2006, 02:23 PM
yeah a lot of demo's i have played comes around 1 month before the release date so it might come out soon i hope.

Inspektahdek
Sep 21, 2006, 02:28 PM
[quote]
On 2006-09-21 11:48, drmcst45 wrote:



*correction, according to pso-world.com; PSU US Release Countdown - [Time left: 32 days, 9 hours and 9 minutes]

so technically the demo could come out in 2 days (Saturday) and give us 1 month beta
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Are you in that horrible band, Linkin Park? Just curious you look just like the lead singer.

Ryogen
Sep 21, 2006, 02:30 PM
I'm guessing after TGS...just a wild guess though.

xenokai
Sep 21, 2006, 03:13 PM
On 2006-09-21 12:28, Inspektahdek wrote:
[quote]
On 2006-09-21 11:48, drmcst45 wrote:



*correction, according to pso-world.com; PSU US Release Countdown - [Time left: 32 days, 9 hours and 9 minutes]

so technically the demo could come out in 2 days (Saturday) and give us 1 month beta
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Are you in that horrible band, Linkin Park? Just curious you look just like the lead singer.

Linkin Park is a great band >.> They are actually a real band non of that nelly 1 person stuff a real BAND.

MUDGRIP
Sep 21, 2006, 03:30 PM
DEMO IN 2 DAYS OMG IM TELLING ALL MY FRIENDS!...lol jp you know this is never going to happen.

LegacyOfMieu
Sep 21, 2006, 03:35 PM
One can only hope lol... I'll defintely play it tons of times like I did with FFXII demo when I got it... definetely if it has Online in the demo like they said it might...

Yusaku_Kudou
Sep 21, 2006, 03:41 PM
I don't really care if we can't keep our online characters from a demo/beta. Should be great having free PSU. <3

Saner
Sep 21, 2006, 04:06 PM
ya the Live Marketplace release is unknown. it would be great if its released this week or during Tokyo Game Show or perhaps anyweek before the full version release. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif


if its after the full version release then....might as well play the real deal. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Xx3of19xX
Sep 21, 2006, 04:11 PM
whawhawhawhaaaat?
There's gonna be a demo for 360? First time I heard about it, but damn, would that be sweet!

Valkayree
Sep 21, 2006, 04:57 PM
On 2006-09-21 12:28, Inspektahdek wrote:

Are you in that horrible band, Linkin Park? Just curious you look just like the lead singer.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and a beholder is one ugly SOB.

Rahbzig
Sep 21, 2006, 06:11 PM
There have also been many demos released just a day or two before the actual game release date, as well as some after the retail game shipped. (i.e. FarCry)

sulfate
Sep 21, 2006, 06:29 PM
if this ever happens....can we all have a meet and greet lol?...

what do u think the online demo is?...maybe one area to explore or maybe just the city is explorable?. and get all ure brothers,sisters,gandmothers to dl the demo, show ure support!

lets show sega that the 360 community wants to have its babies.

Sodders
Sep 21, 2006, 07:14 PM
Microsoft does not add anything to the marketplace on Friday/Saturday/Sundays.

Xx3of19xX
Sep 21, 2006, 07:26 PM
They will this weekend, it's Tokyo Game Show. There is a lot of stuff that was confirmed to come this WE, Sonic 360 demo amongst others.

StanleyPain
Sep 21, 2006, 07:39 PM
They add stuff on weekends when it's "important." I've seen demos and some other things hit the market on weekends. So, i guess there's a possibility of a PSU demo during the TGS, but I'm going to lean towards probably not. A PSU demo right now would make for an excellent test of their servers (for example, the Test Drive Unlimited initial demo was meant as a test, and when it didn't go so well, the demo was taken off Live until it was redone a few weeks ago).

Blueblur
Sep 21, 2006, 08:00 PM
This is how rumors start. There is no confirmed Xbox demo nor are there any solid reasons to belive this rumor. If you beleive this, expect to be disappointed.

Tystys
Sep 21, 2006, 08:03 PM
On 2006-09-21 18:00, Blueblur wrote:
This is how rumors start. There is no confirmed Xbox demo nor are there any solid reasons to belive this rumor. If you beleive this, expect to be disappointed.



There have been a few,but reliable news sources giving info on this fact. Apparently SEGA released a message to all retailers and...whatever you call game critics in a professional term...and said there would be a single player and multiplayer demo.

And hey, you never know.

Blueblur
Sep 21, 2006, 08:20 PM
Source, please?

Vetto
Sep 21, 2006, 08:27 PM
If it happens it happens if doesn't it doesn't. Why ruin people hopefull thinking?

MAGNUShunter
Sep 21, 2006, 09:18 PM
Two more days! Schweeet! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
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As a musician/songwriter i have to agree, Linkin Park has talent as far as songwriting goes.

drmcst45
Sep 21, 2006, 09:30 PM
On 2006-09-21 18:20, Blueblur wrote:
Source, please?




http://xbox360.qj.net/No-More-Free-PSU-Online/pg/49/aid/66686#comments

Sega, on the other hand, just intends to place a demo at the Marketplace that will feature both online and offline modes.




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Vetto
Sep 21, 2006, 09:46 PM
On 2006-09-21 19:46, Miphesto wrote:
would just be another reason 360 pwnz the fizzuck out of all the other systems



....

-Slaps-

Jeez this is what makes X360 players LOOK BAD!

Miphesto
Sep 21, 2006, 09:46 PM
would just be another reason 360 pwnz the fizzuck out of all the other systems

RuinedReBirth
Sep 21, 2006, 11:15 PM
I love 360, don't get me wrong. Windows Media Connect allowing you to stream off your PC to your 360 is probably my favorite option...but the severe lack of games is deadly. Also, since 360 PSU is seperate from ps2/pc, I decided to go ps2. Lots of my friends will be on it and I don't wanna 'start all over' with PSU.



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Chaobo99
Sep 22, 2006, 12:39 AM
Will the demo be free.There's a sonic 360 demo?wow...I dont have my Xbox YET http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

xenokai
Sep 22, 2006, 01:11 AM
demos are always free. lol

SANEagent
Sep 22, 2006, 01:12 AM
I cant wait till the demo comes out...if it does....but I am looking forward to the sonic demo at least.

WOOT PSU!!!!!!

ProfessorZ
Sep 22, 2006, 01:23 AM
I can't believe you guys actually think its gonna come out in two days

Numnuttz
Sep 22, 2006, 01:33 AM
i have a feeling the demo might pop up after the game is released if there is going to be one i mean.

MysticMagica
Sep 22, 2006, 02:13 AM
I don't expect Sega to put a demo on the marketplace. I reckon if they will that it will be after the release of PSU, to get the non-phantasy star fans on the game.

Though i do hope they will of course. So as a big fan my hopes are up.
Even though i do not expect to find a demo on marketplace. I have to admit that i am checking every day, every few hours to see if it might be there.

Normally i only check for dl content once a day. As my experience here in the netherlands is that they mostly only upload dl content about 10ish in the morning. But now with the TGS and the X06 that is different. They are uploading dl content every few hours. So my hopes are up!

So please Sega and Microsoft give us what we want.
Give us a demo of PSU!

At least with the demo (because as you all know, we in europe have to wait till 24 nov for the release) then i will be able to have some sort of Halloween on PSU with my friends.
If i just think back ow what did i had fun with my friends around Halloween with them cakes LOL http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif One big laff all the way trhough.

Ryogen
Sep 22, 2006, 02:43 AM
On 2006-09-22 00:13, MysticMagica wrote:
Even though i do not expect to find a demo on marketplace. I have to admit that i am checking every day, every few hours to see if it might be there.



Caught you in the lie http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif So you are expecting it.

Tystys
Sep 22, 2006, 05:28 AM
I highly doubt that the demo will come out in two days, but there's a strong possibility once this month runs out, it could come out on a timeline of october 1st-10th.

But that's just my calculation, O_O

solidsolo
Sep 22, 2006, 09:23 AM
there might not even be a demo guys... there's many games that come out w/out a demo.. although I hope there will be but it's up to the sonic team

Valkayree
Sep 22, 2006, 10:39 AM
On 2006-09-21 19:30, drmcst45 wrote:


On 2006-09-21 18:20, Blueblur wrote:
Source, please?



http://xbox360.qj.net/No-More-Free-PSU-Online/pg/49/aid/66686#comments

Sega, on the other hand, just intends to place a demo at the Marketplace that will feature both online and offline modes.



That just seems like a "post your random thoughts and let's color our site green to make it seem like we are an official site". Nothing I read in there is from anyone who has any sort of clue what is going on. They are beating dead horses from this site that were buried long ago. Unless it is from this site, Microsoft's site, the Xbox official site, or Sega's or PSU's official sites, I cannot deem anything said anywhere else as true.

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 11:13 AM
ya right now it seems to be just an overblown rumor. but who knows.

anyways ya there might not be a demo.

there might be a demo but it will be released after the full version is released.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

we will just have to keep an eye on the Bringing it Home everyday event the Live Marketplace is having for Tokyo Game Show, with new downloadables everyday. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Valkayree
Sep 22, 2006, 11:21 AM
As far as I know, they haven't brought anything to my home.

-Crokar-
Sep 22, 2006, 11:22 AM
i dl'd the theme and gamer pictures from tgs. but im guessing they wont release a psu demo during tgs. maybe they will during X06 which starts the 27th



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Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 11:29 AM
On 2006-09-22 09:22, -Crokar- wrote:
i dl'd the theme and gamer pictures from tgs. but im guessing they wont release a psu demo during tgs. maybe they will during X06 which starts the 26th



there is PSU THEME and Gamerpictures on Marketplace already?!?!? where??????

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cone.gif

well I dont think demo will be released after the 24th because since it's said to have a online demo included, which would be equivalent to a beta test, which should start weeks before the full version release date.



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Valkayree
Sep 22, 2006, 11:30 AM
Not a PSU theme, just some generic X06 pics

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 11:32 AM
On 2006-09-21 14:11, Xx3of19xX wrote:
whawhawhawhaaaat?
There's gonna be a demo for 360? First time I heard about it, but damn, would that be sweet!



there might or maybe its just a rumor.

-Crokar-
Sep 22, 2006, 11:44 AM
just the tgs theme and gamer pictures. i was just responding to the guy who said they brought nothing to his home

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 11:46 AM
ohhhh so TGS theme itself and gamer pictures? that's silly. where are all the PSU promotional goodies? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

is PSU even scheduled to show at TGS? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Valkayree
Sep 22, 2006, 11:59 AM
On 2006-09-22 09:44, -Crokar- wrote:
just the tgs theme and gamer pictures. i was just responding to the guy who said they brought nothing to his home



Haha well I meant they brought nothing of importance, like a PSU demo.

-Crokar-
Sep 22, 2006, 12:01 PM
there suppose to show psu during it but i dont know if there going to release any psu stuff during maybe xo6

and i use the tgs gamer picture and theme.

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qoxolg
Sep 22, 2006, 01:08 PM
is PSU even scheduled to show at TGS?

Well, I've downloade an official microsoft Gamemix trailer that was on xboxyde yesterday (they already had to remove it) and all the big games like Gears of war, Lost Planet, Sonic and some cool japRPG's AND PSU was also in it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif So maybe.. just maybe.. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

vg_geek86
Sep 22, 2006, 01:13 PM
Is it common for demos to be realised this close to release?

vg_geek86
Sep 22, 2006, 01:14 PM
On 2006-09-22 11:13, vg_geek86 wrote:
Is it common for demos to be released this close to the official release?

qoxolg
Sep 22, 2006, 01:23 PM
Well Demo's get released at all kinds of times.. Lost planet, TDU demo's and some others got released months before the actual game comes out. Saints Row, N3 and Dead Rising came a few weeks before those games got released. Some games get a demo after it is released.. and since there are alot of demo's coming out this TGS and X06.. there is a small chance a PSU-demo will be released on marketplace...

Sabinblitz
Sep 22, 2006, 01:46 PM
Yea it would be a massive toll on the XBL servers with all these people downloading a free beta/test/demo of the multiplayer. If it's single player only, I don't think it'd be that big of a deal, but if it's multiplayer too, more people would be interested on top of a larger file size. I'd like a free test at multiplayer just as much as the rest of you, but a single player demo seems more plausable (sp?). If you recall the XI started in late Jan. - early Feb. and the game didn't come out till May (though the beta ended a bit before the release) so I don't really see them doing this, you can only test so much in less than a months time-span. It would seem like wasted resources, not to mention from what I hear PSO on Xbox didn't get much support from ST.

And for those constantly checking the marketplace, generally any new gamerpics, themes, demos, or anything of that nature gets posted on Majornelson.com as soon as it comes out? I think he's got it like on a timer or somethin so that when it's suppose to be out it updates his blog automatically.



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Xx3of19xX
Sep 22, 2006, 01:48 PM
So far, Sega has released demos of all the games they published in the West for 360 onto the marketplace. Condemned, which was a launch game had the demo available at launch IIRC. Full Auto and Chromehounds had demos available about a month or so before they released. Sonic the Hedgehog is confirmed to get a demo released either during TGS or X06.
Based on that track record, I'm pretty confident that the demo is coming.

Dark_Goru
Sep 22, 2006, 02:25 PM
On 2006-09-22 09:46, Saner wrote:
ohhhh so TGS theme itself and gamer pictures? that's silly. where are all the PSU promotional goodies? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

is PSU even scheduled to show at TGS? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



PSU isn't being shown at TGS but I heard that the expansion pack thingy is being shown I can't remember what its called.

Otakugrrl
Sep 22, 2006, 02:38 PM
Based on that track record, I'm pretty confident that the demo is coming.



A little birdie (no I can't say who, flame me if you will) told me that it will be on the marketplace the first part of October. WOOOOOOO

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 02:53 PM
On 2006-09-22 12:38, Otakugrrl wrote:


Based on that track record, I'm pretty confident that the demo is coming.



A little birdie (no I can't say who, flame me if you will) told me that it will be on the marketplace the first part of October. WOOOOOOO



hmmmmmmm that's quite a wait. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Natrokos
Sep 22, 2006, 02:56 PM
^ Quite a wait? It's only like 8-9 days....http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 02:57 PM
On 2006-09-22 12:56, Natrokos wrote:
^ Quite a wait? It's only like 8-9 days....http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



waaaaaa! what will we do till then? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Natrokos
Sep 22, 2006, 02:57 PM
^ Quite a wait? It's only like 8-9 days....http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

tomkat492
Sep 22, 2006, 02:57 PM
Yeah it is http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

tomkat492
Sep 22, 2006, 02:59 PM
yeah :*( I'm so desperate for something to do I was tempted to download guild wars...

Saner
Sep 22, 2006, 03:01 PM
On 2006-09-22 12:59, tomkat492 wrote:
yeah :*( I'm so desperate for something to do I was tempted to download guild wars...



HEATHEN!!!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif


just kidding. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Natrokos
Sep 22, 2006, 03:01 PM
Watch the LOTR trilogy about 25 times? That'll take around 9 days.....Your welcome.

qoxolg
Sep 22, 2006, 04:21 PM
Watch the LOTR trilogy about 25 times? That'll take around 9 days.....Your welcome.

Sounds like a good plan http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

SANEagent
Sep 22, 2006, 06:03 PM
i almost paid to extend my WoW account another month....but if this is true, then Im glad I didnt spend the cash. IF there is a demo, i will be playing it non-stop.

tomkat492
Sep 22, 2006, 06:05 PM
On 2006-09-22 13:01, Natrokos wrote:
Watch the LOTR trilogy about 25 times? That'll take around 9 days.....Your welcome.

I hate LOTR, I walked out on the first movie it sucked so hard IMO.

SANEagent
Sep 22, 2006, 06:11 PM
In that case, I vote Star Wars over and over^

tomkat492
Sep 22, 2006, 08:29 PM
Now that can be done, also my 360 meet and greet thread was just moved to Player Matchup for all wanting to know.

Nekomimi
Sep 23, 2006, 01:31 AM
Don't get your hopes up.

-Crokar-
Sep 23, 2006, 01:39 AM
lego star wars is better than real starwars and i do believe they will have a demo. why because im one of these people in denial about not having a demo yet still think it will happen

phunk
Sep 23, 2006, 11:53 AM
When, and if, it does pop up on the Marketplace someone send me a message on XBL.

In other news, has anyone else tried out Tenchu?

Good fun.

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tomkat492
Sep 23, 2006, 12:10 PM
You need to have a Jap account to get Tenchu, and I'm too lazy to make one.

Yachiru
Sep 23, 2006, 01:37 PM
On 2006-09-23 09:53, phunk wrote:
When, and if, it does pop up on the Marketplace someone send me a message on XBL.

In other news, has anyone else tried out Tenchu?

Good fun.

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I have. Awesome, awesome game / demo. :] Matter of fact.. I'mma play right now. >_>;

parabolee
Sep 23, 2006, 01:40 PM
Takes 5 minutes to make japanese account!

The Tenchu demo is AWESOME-O! If you like Tenchu that is.

Saner
Sep 23, 2006, 01:46 PM
aaaaah they have a Tenchu demo???? wow now I really should make a Japanese GameTag and Live Silver account. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif I'm running out of email addresses though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

drmcst45
Sep 23, 2006, 02:10 PM
Everyone is ****** at majornelson about the lack of demos from TGS but majornelson insisted there is plenty to come next week.

They already stated there'd be over 100 new items up for download throughout the tokyo gameshow and my guess is that we've only received about 15-20 pieces so far.

still a lot to come ahead me thinks.



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Saner
Sep 23, 2006, 02:23 PM
wow poor majornelson has to put up with all the complaints. but maybe he loves it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

tomkat492
Sep 23, 2006, 02:32 PM
If he does, congratulations, because my patience is about as long as my hair, which is about this long _ ,so I would be jumping through tv's punching people in the face if I was him getting spammed with comlaints.

Tystys
Sep 23, 2006, 02:33 PM
I remember seeing this XBOX demo info posted on another source but I can't friggin remember where it was, -_-. I'm trying desperately to look for it now, because from what people were saying on that other forum, it was actually a pretty reliable source. So, for now, you all have my word that I swear I saw this somewhere else, XD....

And who the hell is majornelson? O_O

phunk
Sep 23, 2006, 02:40 PM
On 2006-09-23 12:33, Tystys wrote:


And who the hell is majornelson? O_O



http://www.majornelson.com/


Ye, Tenchu is really fun brings back that PS1 feeling. Doesn't take long to set up an account either, just go and make a new Windows/Msn passport and set up the account through X360.

Then download the JP demos.

There's another game on there I'm thinking about importing, Zegapain. Its like Zone of Enders and really impressive.


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Saner
Sep 23, 2006, 02:54 PM
On 2006-09-23 12:40, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:33, Tystys wrote:


And who the hell is majornelson? O_O



http://www.majornelson.com/


Ye, Tenchu is really fun brings back that PS1 feeling. Doesn't take long to set up an account either, just go and make a new Windows/Msn passport and set up the account through X360.

Then download the JP demos.

There's another game on there I'm thinking about importing, Zegapain. Its like Zone of Enders and really impressive.


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funny, I made a new gamertag and silver account with another yahoo email address. no passport/whatever required. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

isnt passport for when you choose a gametag name that's already chosen and you are given an option to recover it if it's yours? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

phunk
Sep 23, 2006, 03:03 PM
On 2006-09-23 12:54, Saner wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:40, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:33, Tystys wrote:


And who the hell is majornelson? O_O



http://www.majornelson.com/


Ye, Tenchu is really fun brings back that PS1 feeling. Doesn't take long to set up an account either, just go and make a new Windows/Msn passport and set up the account through X360.

Then download the JP demos.

There's another game on there I'm thinking about importing, Zegapain. Its like Zone of Enders and really impressive.


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funny, I made a new gamertag and silver account with another yahoo email address. no passport/whatever required. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

isnt passport for when you choose a gametag name that's already chosen and you are given an option to recover it if it's yours? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Oh, well I guess we all learned something today.

As for the Gamertag recovery, I've no idea how that works. I just have countless passport accounts so I use them instead of any of my real emails.

Saner
Sep 23, 2006, 03:11 PM
On 2006-09-23 13:03, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:54, Saner wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:40, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:33, Tystys wrote:


And who the hell is majornelson? O_O



http://www.majornelson.com/


Ye, Tenchu is really fun brings back that PS1 feeling. Doesn't take long to set up an account either, just go and make a new Windows/Msn passport and set up the account through X360.

Then download the JP demos.

There's another game on there I'm thinking about importing, Zegapain. Its like Zone of Enders and really impressive.


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funny, I made a new gamertag and silver account with another yahoo email address. no passport/whatever required. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

isnt passport for when you choose a gametag name that's already chosen and you are given an option to recover it if it's yours? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Oh, well I guess we all learned something today.

As for the Gamertag recovery, I've no idea how that works. I just have countless passport accounts so I use them instead of any of my real emails.



oh so like msn.com is where we can make 'passport' accounts? I might try that instead for my 'Japanese' GamerTag.

Yachiru
Sep 23, 2006, 03:11 PM
Poor Major Nelson, I'm sure he's already learned to put up with it all, anyway. xD;

phunk
Sep 23, 2006, 03:16 PM
On 2006-09-23 13:11, Saner wrote:


On 2006-09-23 13:03, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:54, Saner wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:40, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-23 12:33, Tystys wrote:


And who the hell is majornelson? O_O



http://www.majornelson.com/


Ye, Tenchu is really fun brings back that PS1 feeling. Doesn't take long to set up an account either, just go and make a new Windows/Msn passport and set up the account through X360.

Then download the JP demos.

There's another game on there I'm thinking about importing, Zegapain. Its like Zone of Enders and really impressive.


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funny, I made a new gamertag and silver account with another yahoo email address. no passport/whatever required. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

isnt passport for when you choose a gametag name that's already chosen and you are given an option to recover it if it's yours? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Oh, well I guess we all learned something today.

As for the Gamertag recovery, I've no idea how that works. I just have countless passport accounts so I use them instead of any of my real emails.



oh so like msn.com is where we can make 'passport' accounts? I might try that instead for my 'Japanese' GamerTag.

Ye, or hotmail; same thing anyways.

Just remember to set it up as if you were living in Japan haha.

The only thing you'll need is a Japanese area code and the rest of the info doesn't have to be relevant.

StanleyPain
Sep 23, 2006, 03:29 PM
Something to note, given how lame this years TGS has been (what a lousy Microsoft keynote speech), I'm guessing if ANYTHING PSU shows up, it won't be until X06, which is a specifically Microsoft-centric event.

phunk
Sep 23, 2006, 03:40 PM
On 2006-09-23 13:29, StanleyPain wrote:
Something to note, given how lame this years TGS has been (what a lousy Microsoft keynote speech), I'm guessing if ANYTHING PSU shows up, it won't be until X06, which is a specifically Microsoft-centric event.

I think MS and Sony had very, very, very, very long and uninspired speeches.. I liked Nintendo's presentation however.

ProfessorZ
Sep 23, 2006, 04:19 PM
GIVE ME THE DAMN DEMO ALREADY!!!

Saner
Sep 23, 2006, 06:00 PM
On 2006-09-23 13:29, StanleyPain wrote:
Something to note, given how lame this years TGS has been (what a lousy Microsoft keynote speech), I'm guessing if ANYTHING PSU shows up, it won't be until X06, which is a specifically Microsoft-centric event.



has been? its not over http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

StanleyPain
Sep 23, 2006, 06:04 PM
Oh, I know...but I doubt anything earth-shattering will happen in this last day. I mean, I'd love to be proved wrong...it just seems like a real lifeless TGS this year.

zandra117
Sep 24, 2006, 01:10 AM
microsoft is uploading new stuff into the marketplace from TGS every day from the 22nd to the 29th, we still have a few days left even though the actual TGS is only 3 days.

tomkat492
Sep 24, 2006, 01:41 AM
Oh....but if PSU wasnt showed at TGS in the first place...you cant bring home what isnt there to bring home.

drmcst45
Sep 27, 2006, 01:11 PM
x06 press-conference is almost over and they haven't said a DAMN thing about Phantasy Star Universe.

They did mention about another online game with "Universe" but it was for Marvel Alliance Universe. WHAT A JOKE!

Saner
Sep 27, 2006, 01:48 PM
hey the Sonic demo is available in Marketplace I heard!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif


gonna go try it out!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Sevenfold
Sep 27, 2006, 01:48 PM
sonic demo? come again?

drmcst45
Sep 27, 2006, 01:54 PM
oh that demo was a let down ;_;

the camera angles are nasty and its just random platform to platform jumping until you reach a "goal".

I think there's only two enemies in the entire level!

Minswune
Sep 27, 2006, 02:42 PM
Just played the sonic demo, it's not too bad, but far different then previous sonic games, there was enough enemies to go around, but wow is the camera a bitch, you actually need to work with it to get things done, it's unlike older sonic games where you pretty much just slam on forward, and use the homing attack to go wherever you need to, things can easily fail now if you aren't careful.

Either way, very fun demo, i just hope the full game is a bit more, "Complete" feeling.



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drmcst45
Sep 27, 2006, 02:58 PM
i cant last another 28 more days >.>

Spectre316
Sep 27, 2006, 03:05 PM
how long is the X06 span? like days weeks. cuz so far on gamespot says shows over but no info on PSU -_-

Saner
Sep 27, 2006, 03:09 PM
they will release more demos from X06 this week.

but ya Sonic demo needs a faster and better camera control.

xenokai
Sep 27, 2006, 03:10 PM
it lasts till the 29th.

parabolee
Sep 27, 2006, 03:51 PM
Fingers crossed for a PSU demo, because this would be a perfect time to release it.

And SEGA (and Sonic Team for that matter) have already stepped up to the plate for X'06 demo's (with Sonic and VT3 trailers) maybe they have more in store. They wouldn't release 2 on one day, and Sonic is the higher profile game (because people are idiots!).

Love Sonic though and I look forward to playing the demo as it's a game I am bound to buy, I think the Wii Sonic will be more fun though.

qoxolg
Sep 27, 2006, 04:26 PM
I actually enjoyed the Sonic demo http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I expected alot less of it.. It's just TO DAMN SHORT >_< as soon as you got the hang of it it plays just like any other 3D sonic game.. and stop bitching about the camera, but learn to use it, I never had problems with the cam in SA1 and 2, and this time is no difference..

enough about sonic...

on xboxyde.com, I did see some screenshots of PSU that were related to the X06... but I am not expecting any demo of PSU, cause it is not on any list of the expected demo's..

Valkayree
Sep 27, 2006, 04:37 PM
On 2006-09-23 23:41, tomkat492 wrote:
Oh....but if PSU wasnt showed at TGS in the first place...you cant bring home what isnt there to bring home.



Yep, I searched through it last night and still haven't brought home a damn thing worthwhile.

Numnuttz
Sep 27, 2006, 05:32 PM
sounds like im not the only one disappionted in whats been released on live so far from Bring it Home. well as of right now we can only hope that PSU comes out but whatever. its not to long from now til the games out. if we get the demo within the next couple of weeks though thatd be great. it would be a nice demo for people to download and mess around on for a couple of weeks before the game is out.

zandra117
Sep 27, 2006, 07:32 PM
X06 is still going on, PSU demo might be on the marketplace tomorrow. The new sonic demo came out today http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

drmcst45
Sep 27, 2006, 08:25 PM
There really hasn't been any good demos out on the marketplace during these two events.

I got my hopes up with Sonic ;_; other than that it's just been a bunch of crappy FPS games. I'm really starting to get sick of single player FPS. I enjoy multiplayer FPS only because its fun killing others ;0

Tystys
Sep 27, 2006, 08:32 PM
On 2006-09-27 18:25, drmcst45 wrote:
There really hasn't been any good demos out on the marketplace during these two events.

I got my hopes up with Sonic ;_; other than that it's just been a bunch of crappy FPS games. I'm really starting to get sick of single player FPS. I enjoy multiplayer FPS only because its fun killing others ;0



Well, I think we were expecting a little bit too much. TGS is an event solely for Tokyo, we just crash their party. Most of the good shit has been released to Tokyo only, and this year's TGS was extremely lack luster. Possibly the only games I was anticipating afterwards was DMC4, Lost Planet, and Project Sylpheed.



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ANIMEniac
Sep 27, 2006, 09:03 PM
the sonic game was the slowest fast paced game i have played in a while. now i know its not complete and all but still, a big let down 4 a sonic fan like me... the grinding took no skill and random ishaps would cause me to die. the camera i really did not have a problem with until i tried to use the paning. it took me a good 6 seconds to rotate the cam 90 degrees around sonic -_- but if when it comes out it controles more like SA1 and 2 (and notlike shadow the hedgehog) then ill be happy.

and maybe they are not showing PSU on purpouse for some reason -_-. but i do wanna get my hands on a demo fast!

Mouseklip
Sep 27, 2006, 10:03 PM
I would love sonic team if they put PSU demo out tomorrow

phunk
Sep 27, 2006, 10:09 PM
The E3 build was actually a lot faster; blistering speeds and had a bit of a blur effect. This demo is suprisingly slow (Sonic's speed). I hope they bring it back to what it was.

Saner
Sep 27, 2006, 11:18 PM
that demo was slow because there was a lot of platforming involved, which forced players to slow down otherwise they will fall.

the grinding was fine, if it was harder to grip those rails the game wouldn't be nearly as fun using those (remembers the hell that is Jet Set Radio).

but ya camera control too slow.

phunk
Sep 27, 2006, 11:40 PM
From what I understand, Sega wanted to return Sonic back to the linear format the 2d games were about (Run from goal, to end). If so, I'd be disappointed to see the free-roaming stages from SA 1 and 2.



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Saner
Sep 27, 2006, 11:50 PM
actually Sega borrowed elements from each of the 3-D Sonic games. notice that the town-exploring style from SA1 is back.

and will bring back the multiple paths Sonic Heroes had.

etc. etc.

after seeing Shadow drive a vehicle I KNEW they weren't going to return to Sonic's true roots. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

if they want more speed in their levelsthey need better level designs and a better camera before they should crank up the actual running speed.

Zoronius
Sep 28, 2006, 12:52 AM
omg everyone go download DOOM O_O omg that game rapes

phunk
Sep 28, 2006, 01:15 AM
On 2006-09-27 22:52, Zoronius wrote:
omg everyone go download DOOM O_O omg that game rapes



CoOp is fun.

StanleyPain
Sep 28, 2006, 04:09 AM
Bringing It Home Day 9 info is already out and only one playable demo: a new Smackdown game.

Looks like no demo this week...and possible not until either right before the PSU release or afterwards.

Tystys
Sep 28, 2006, 05:08 AM
Like I've been saying, just wait until the month is up. I'm pretty sure that by the first week of October, or the week after it, a demo will surely appear. I'm not exactly sure if it'll be multiplayer too(I highly doubt it for some reason), but I'd be just as happy if it were only singleplayer.

Shye
Sep 28, 2006, 05:52 AM
This is agonizing. I keep seeing all these downloads from X06, even stuff from Sega but the demo we're all hoping to see is so... not there.

Sadistic monkeys tormenting us. I'mma cry now. T-T

hypersaxon
Sep 28, 2006, 07:14 AM
Yeah, they've put a lot of unexpected demos on Marketplace. Just today they put WWE Smackdown VS Raw on there. You never know, PSU could come in a few days.

parabolee
Sep 28, 2006, 08:04 AM
Yeah, I have a feeling that the PSU demo will hit during X06.

I'm really dissapointed that Microsoft have not been plugging PSU more, I know it's hardly a showcase for the system but it is HUGE RPG coming to the platform from Japan, they didn't even mention it at TGS!

I was very dissapointed in the Sonic demo too, I am a HUGE fan of Sonic Adventure so I was really looking formward to this. The controls just don't feel anywhere near as good as Sonic Adventure. Too much instant death because the camera is akward. Seems futile but I hopr they fix it before the release.

-Crokar-
Sep 28, 2006, 10:07 AM
raw vs smackdown 07 eh? got to download that. and well with the crazy stuff they have been putting i dont see why psu isnt in there. but im patient

watashiwa
Sep 28, 2006, 10:37 AM
On 2006-09-27 22:52, Zoronius wrote:
omg everyone go download DOOM O_O omg that game rapes




When I heard about this being released yesterday.. I nearly wet myself. I'm so there later today... well.. if I can be pulled from Valkyrie Profile 2...

(Valkyrie Profile 2 supports 480P and widescreen, so I'm SO there as well... plus the game rules too. =P)

Shye
Sep 28, 2006, 12:27 PM
Strangely, they don't even have mention of PSU on the Xbox.com website. (I couldn't find it in a search, anyway) but they have info about Halo Wars right on the front page (now).

>.>

Being one of the 360 owners who would rather play this on my 360, I kind of get the feeling we're being... forgotten about. Like it being on 360 is just an afterthought. (That coupled with the seperate servers...)

It just makes me feel kind of wary now.



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Oreic
Sep 28, 2006, 12:45 PM
I know this a really stupid question but if there was a beta, would tere be a monthly fee for those in it?
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/sprite.gif

Spectre316
Sep 28, 2006, 12:45 PM
On 2006-09-28 10:27, Shye wrote:
Strangely, they don't even have mention of PSU on the Xbox.com website. (I couldn't find it in a search, anyway) but they have info about Halo Wars right on the front page (now).

>.>

Being one of the 360 owners who would rather play this on my 360, I kind of get the feeling we're being... forgotten about. Like it being on 360 is just an afterthought. (That coupled with the seperate servers...)

It just makes me feel kind of wary now.



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tell me about it.. theres alrdy forums gamer pics themes and whole bunch of other stuff for games that arnt coming out till 2007 and etc example : halo wars im seeing no love for PSU on xbox.com http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Saner
Sep 28, 2006, 01:24 PM
X06 is probably ignoring PSU because:

* the relationship between Sega and Microsoft based on the separate online fee, server isolation from other systems, etc.

* the graphics not looking "next-gen" enough. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

* Sega's possible situation where the servers for even a demo beta are simply not ready for Xbox360 yet.



IGN's X06 list does have PSU listed but maybe IGN added it to the list themselves instead of confirmed if PSU is in fact going to be at the convention.



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Yachiru
Sep 28, 2006, 01:41 PM
As everyone else is assuming, I'm sure a demo/beta will be available for download around the begining of October. I'll be watching the marketplace a little closer these next few days! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

StanleyPain
Sep 28, 2006, 01:49 PM
It was the same way with the original PSO. PSO was the very first console game to feature online multiplayer in an RPG context. There was almost NO major coverage of it before it came out. After it came out....the same. PSO was supported, almost wholly, by it's community and it's community ALONE. The game generated legions of devoted fans....people who played for hours and hours for years on end...whole communities sprang from it...yet, it's still treated like some footnote in the history of online RPGs. Back in those DC days, the magazines and the websites were still more concerned with the big-name, hype titles that might have been years off than in seriously supporting and taking an interest in PSO.
Same thing seems to be happening again. Gamespy is the only website to be doing any regular coverage, it would seem, by releasing interviews with various members of the development team all this week, plus a slew of new images.
Sega themselves are partially to blame for this lack of interest....their marketing has been focused on other projects, and surprisingly little on PSU, regardless of what system. So, it feels like PSO all over again....tons of fan interest, virtually no media interest.

Saner
Sep 28, 2006, 01:50 PM
On 2006-09-28 11:41, Yachiru wrote:
As everyone else is assuming, I'm sure a demo/beta will be available for download around the begining of October. I'll be watching the marketplace a little closer these next few days! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



ya it's possible they are saving it for a surprise!

just like DOOM on XBLA, And the fact that games originally announced to be playable demos (like Splinter Cell), ended up being simply trailers.

and Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 demo is up today. so who knows what other demos they will release!

um but how long will X06 last? I heard its over or something. be the content from there will keep rolling in for the next couple of days or something.

Saner
Sep 28, 2006, 01:51 PM
On 2006-09-21 14:11, Xx3of19xX wrote:
whawhawhawhaaaat?
There's gonna be a demo for 360? First time I heard about it, but damn, would that be sweet!



well ya it might be just a rumor but it seems to be true.



It was the same way with the original PSO. PSO was the very first console game to feature online multiplayer in an RPG context. There was almost NO major coverage of it before it came out. After it came out....the same. PSO was supported, almost wholly, by it's community and it's community ALONE. The game generated legions of devoted fans....people who played for hours and hours for years on end...whole communities sprang from it...yet, it's still treated like some footnote in the history of online RPGs. Back in those DC days, the magazines and the websites were still more concerned with the big-name, hype titles that might have been years off than in seriously supporting and taking an interest in PSO.
Same thing seems to be happening again. Gamespy is the only website to be doing any regular coverage, it would seem, by releasing interviews with various members of the development team all this week, plus a slew of new images.
Sega themselves are partially to blame for this lack of interest....their marketing has been focused on other projects, and surprisingly little on PSU, regardless of what system. So, it feels like PSO all over again....tons of fan interest, virtually no media interest.

ya Sega's unsatisfactory U.S. marketing really hurts the games that deserve it most.

maybe ppl are being a bit spoiled expecting a free demo but like the Japan incident, Sega seems to be aware that overhyping the game will learve them unprepared for the unexpected amount of ppl that might fill up the servers. But that's what reassurance and preparation is for to avoid such disasters.

It would be really sad if the same mistake is made by SOA and everyone has to endure an extra month of rollbacks and adding servers/worlds while ppl are having a heck of a time trying to play online.

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qoxolg
Sep 28, 2006, 03:20 PM
Just face it.. PSU will be overshadowed.. Just look at the great looking next-gen jRPG's that are coming to the 360.. Blue Dragon, Lost Oddesy and Trusty bell (was really impressed by that one, best cell shading I've seen in my life O_O) and PSU can't compete with that graphicly...

here a link of possible 360 screens (they are widescreen, and the PC doens't support widescreen) http://www.xboxyde.com/news_3592_en.html

So I am expecting no demo for this game.. but I can wait.. I have to wait till 24 November anyways http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Maybe it will be better if the community will stay small anyways http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

RuinedReBirth
Sep 28, 2006, 04:03 PM
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/x06/2006/

Taking a look at that list, and looking at the XBL market place, they offered a trailer/demo/theme for the games labelled as "HOT". After seeing this, and that they've already covered PSU...I, now, 100% doubt you will see a PSU demo on XBL. Shame. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Shye
Sep 28, 2006, 04:53 PM
Iiiiiiiyaaaaaa~!

I refuse to believe, or rather; I continue to believe!

*holds breath and turns various shades of pretty, pulsating colors*

qoxolg
Sep 28, 2006, 05:59 PM
I am sorry to dissapoint you, but chances that it will come tomorow or even before launch are really really really small.. why? because PSU won't be a hit in the US and EU. Just like PSOBB.. its not because PSU sucks, it's because sega doesn't know the word "marketing"

Saner
Sep 28, 2006, 09:23 PM
ya that's why Dreamcast fell hard.

oh well at least we won't have trouble getting online due to traffic/population..... I think. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

ya Sega is really lazy and holds back marketing products that deserve more spotlight, even more so than their overrated yet poorly developed Sonic games.

naturally Sonic can sell games through his name alone, but
PSU needs more marketing and support.

stuff like Halo 2 has proven that smart marketing and stuff can make even a mediocre FPS sell more than any other game in the world. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

zandra117
Sep 28, 2006, 10:15 PM
Well, tomorrow is the last day of the bringing it home thing.

Pacpunk
Sep 28, 2006, 11:23 PM
it might not even be part of the tokio game show thing, i hope it is, but if sega said they are gonna put a demo up im preety sure they will, they just better do it before the release date.

Chaobo99
Sep 28, 2006, 11:27 PM
they "market" sonic games pretty well. maybe they're doing secret PSU on purpose. less people for better servers therefore the people who like PSU won't complain and just pay..i mean play.
hehe..
Neways.they should be releasing a demo.or at least I hope so *gulp*

qoxolg
Sep 29, 2006, 03:29 AM
ya that's why Dreamcast fell hard.

yeah.. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif really loved the console and would have loved to see how 3rd/4th -gen games would have looked on this machine...


oh well at least we won't have trouble getting online due to traffic/population..... I think.

yeah!


ya Sega is really lazy and holds back marketing products that deserve more spotlight, even more so than their overrated yet poorly developed Sonic games.

exactly! Sonic is the only strong franshise SEGA still has.. and I haven't seen a good Sonic game since Sonic Adventure 1.. Sonic used to a be the fast little guy that was small compared to a human, and sonic used to live on Mobius not in a city.. Sonic became a horrible anime charecter http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Sonic Adventure 1 was the perfect translation to 3D.. imo


naturally Sonic can sell games through his name alone, but
PSU needs more marketing and support.

exactly


stuff like Halo 2 has proven that smart marketing and stuff can make even a mediocre FPS sell more than any other game in the world.

It's the trick to create a hype and everyone will buy it

Saner
Sep 29, 2006, 10:45 AM
well X06 is over and the final day doesn't have the demo

http://www.majornelson.com/

well they might still have a chance releasing the demo next week or the following week maybe.

zandra117
Sep 29, 2006, 11:24 AM
Keep watching majornelsons site, they usually release a bunch of content in the morning and then more content later in the afternoon.

Saner
Sep 29, 2006, 11:34 AM
lol well ya its interesting there are no demos today so far.

Saner
Sep 29, 2006, 11:34 AM
lol well ya its interesting there are no demos today so far.

zandra117
Sep 29, 2006, 12:00 PM
At IGN PSU has a HOT lable next to it now
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/x06/2006/ HOT Lable



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Saner
Sep 29, 2006, 12:03 PM
On 2006-09-29 10:00, zandra117 wrote:
At IGN PSU has a HOT lable next to it now
http://xbox360.ign.com/index/x06/2006/ HOT Lable



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oh nooww after X06 is over they put a hot label on it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

lol maybe they just felt sorry for us. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif