360 Less Hackers?

[DiscReadError]

I was 100% sure that i was going to buy the PS2 version of PSU, but now that i think about it that version is going to have a lot more hackers than the 360 version. Since they will be playing with PC people. Everyone has felt how it is to play with a hacker or at least heard about it. So are you guys willing to put up with it again and if so for how long if it gets worse?

[A2K]

The server-side nature of the game should prevent it from becoming too terrible on any platform.

[Yachiru]

I think I'm getting both the 360 and PC versions of the game, so. I'll have to deal with atleast one or two hackers. It doesn't really bother me, though.

[DraginHikari]

Hacking is unavoidable regardless of what plateform is used. X360 being somewhat isolated MIGHT have a few less... but I wouldn't say that for sure either.

[DiscReadError]

Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.

[anmato145]

Most hacking i seen on ffxi is "Bots". Not too sure if bots will ruin pso...

[DraginHikari]

Bots really don't serve alot of purpose in PSU since there's no spawn points or anything like that.

[phunk]

On 2006-09-24 21:26, DiscReadError wrote:
Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.



Actually, there are many ways to cheat on PS2 FFXI. You don't see it much, but it is possible and they do have them out there.

[anmato145]

Yeah thats what im saying, ffxi didnt have major hacks that ruined the game. People got banned quick on that game, dont even try and say windower was ruining ffxi XD

[DraginHikari]

On 2006-09-24 21:33, anmato145 wrote:
Yeah thats what im saying, ffxi didnt have major hacks that ruined the game. People got banned quick on that game, dont even try and say windower was ruining ffxi XD



That's pretty much what it depends on, Sega's response to the problems.

[ProfessorZ]

Hacking could never happen on the 360 due to Xbox live and even if a hacker was to get by, that would be the last time he would be online

[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 21:29, anmato145 wrote:
Most hacking i seen on ffxi is "Bots". Not too sure if bots will ruin pso...



Theres way more things besides bots, but yeah thats probably one of the most used hacks on FFXI. Square-Enix always has news at least once a month talking about how they banned like a couple thousand accounts for hacking and seeing that happen in PSU would just be sad

[phunk]

On 2006-09-24 21:33, anmato145 wrote:
Yeah thats what im saying, ffxi didnt have major hacks that ruined the game. People got banned quick on that game, dont even try and say windower was ruining ffxi XD



MR.Argus, POS, Statechanger etc..


Hacks were undetectible unless you were an idiot and just enjoyed using fleetool as a level 1 whm without prism powders.

[anmato145]

Seeing that happen in PSU would be awesome, not sad. More hackers banned the better.

[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 21:32, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:26, DiscReadError wrote:
Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.



Actually, there are many ways to cheat on PS2 FFXI. You don't see it much, but it is possible and they do have them out there.



Well i never seen any hacking with a ps2 sysyem on FFXI ever but im sure there was attempts or people at least tried, and most likely got caught. It would be extremely hard for them to pull it of though and i dont see a point why a hacker would do that when they could just do it on pc where its way easier and a lot less of a hastle.

[phunk]

On 2006-09-24 21:39, DiscReadError wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:32, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:26, DiscReadError wrote:
Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.



Actually, there are many ways to cheat on PS2 FFXI. You don't see it much, but it is possible and they do have them out there.



Well i never seen any hacking with a ps2 sysyem on FFXI ever but im sure there was attempts or people at least tried, and most likely got caught. It would be extremely hard for them to pull it of though and i dont see a point why a hacker would do that when they could just do it on pc where its way easier and a lot less of a hastle.

Thats why you don't see it on consoles as much as on PC.

[anmato145]

Wow this topic changed to ffxi hacking quick XD

[Alisha]

most of the hacking that goes on in ffxi is possible because so much of the game is handled client side instead of server side.

[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 21:41, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:39, DiscReadError wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:32, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:26, DiscReadError wrote:
Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.



Actually, there are many ways to cheat on PS2 FFXI. You don't see it much, but it is possible and they do have them out there.



Well i never seen any hacking with a ps2 sysyem on FFXI ever but im sure there was attempts or people at least tried, and most likely got caught. It would be extremely hard for them to pull it of though and i dont see a point why a hacker would do that when they could just do it on pc where its way easier and a lot less of a hastle.

Thats why you don't see it on consoles as much as on PC.



thats what im saying i think i might just stick with fellow live people instead of ps2.

[Spellbinder]

When will all the Paranoia end? Cheating will be inevitable in some shape or form. It just depends on how Sega handles things.

[phunk]

On 2006-09-24 21:46, DiscReadError wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:41, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:39, DiscReadError wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:32, phunk wrote:


On 2006-09-24 21:26, DiscReadError wrote:
Well if you take FFXI as an example all the hacking is PC side there are no hacks/cheats of any kind for the ps2 version, and the market in that game is all screwed up because of hackers and other things as well. So i dont think you would see any hacking at all on 360.



Actually, there are many ways to cheat on PS2 FFXI. You don't see it much, but it is possible and they do have them out there.



Well i never seen any hacking with a ps2 sysyem on FFXI ever but im sure there was attempts or people at least tried, and most likely got caught. It would be extremely hard for them to pull it of though and i dont see a point why a hacker would do that when they could just do it on pc where its way easier and a lot less of a hastle.

Thats why you don't see it on consoles as much as on PC.



thats what im saying i think i might just stick with fellow live people instead of ps2.

Feel you on that hehe.

Honestly, I feel a lot more safe playing on XBL for 360. XB180's LIVE had a lot of loopholes, hence all the hacking on Halo 2. If anything, I'd expect to hear a lot about hacking on the PC version.

These type of things seem to be dying down anyways, Gameshark isn't as popular as it once was; looks like its going the way of Gamegenie =.

[anmato145]

I'd prolly go to XBOX360 PSU If all my friends werent getting it on Ps2 ;/

[Miphesto]

xbox 360 fanboy says "Yes, there will be less hacking on the 360"

[Alisha]

honestly id be a lot more worried about DOS attacks than any hacking.

[RamenEater]

They better have it controlled unlike DC days cause we're paying for this now.

[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 22:07, RamenEater wrote:
They better have it controlled unlike DC days cause we're paying for this now.



Im sure they will have it under control but you still gonna see it here and there. I just dont wanna deal with that to much so im going to 360. Hopefully the hacks are not going to be that bad

[GaijinPUnch]

They better have it controlled unlike DC days cause we're paying for this now.

I paid for it then, yet it was a nightmare. The cost has nothing to do with how well they'll handle it. They'll handle it as they want. The official stance of Sega of America for the higher cost for a US HL for the GC version (it was a few bucks a month more than a Japanese) was that all the whities will be cheating, so they had to have more staff to catch them in the act. A month into it, and the game was ruined, and Sega just sat there.



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[DiscReadError]

And thats how the cookie crumbles

[DraginHikari]

Well PSOBB they did patch a few problems even though they were done relatively slowly but due to the popluation that we had there, it can't be helped.

[phunk]

On 2006-09-24 22:05, Alisha wrote:
honestly id be a lot more worried about DOS attacks than any hacking.


XI had its share of that.

[-Crokar-]

well with server side saves hopefully there is no online hacking on any version

[Kers]

Mods would be the better term for XBL hacks.
Anyways, common cheats would probably be exploits rather than server hacks. So if you're looking for the version with the best security, it's probably the one that the community is the quickest to report the exploits and cheaters.

I suppose XBL would be very secure but, Sega should be fine as is.

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[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 22:53, -Crokar- wrote:
well with server side saves hopefully there is no online hacking on any version



Even with server side saves hacking is still going to happen somewhere.....

[trunkszero]

but since theres server side saving only hacking on ps2 and xbox360 should be at a minimum

[GaijinPUnch]

but since theres server side saving only hacking on ps2 and xbox360 should be at a minimum

That is irrelevant. It only stops some of the hacking. There are already bugs found in the server side software that allows item duplication. If you're really savvy, you can intercept packets sent to and from the server, edit them, and viola - you can make items. This is pretty tricky (it's UDP -- packets are thrown to and fro) and you need to know something about the item codes to do it. However, I somehow think someone could apply knowledge from PS2 hacks done in offline mode to the PC version. Then again, if you make a mistake, send some bad info, and Sega gets it, you'll very likely get banned right then and there. No real room for trial and error.

[Alisha]

on gc pso hacking was never that big and duping didnt get out of control until the bank dupe came out. early on there was a dupe method that required two people but sega patched it wich in turn led to corruptions.

[DiscReadError]

On 2006-09-24 23:24, trunkszero wrote:
but since theres server side saving only hacking on ps2 and xbox360 should be at a minimum



true but ps2 play with pc people so you will see more hacking there than on 360

[Xenofobia]

well if everyone went to xbox360 you would see all the hacking there.

[Alisha]

On 2006-09-24 23:41, DiscReadError wrote:


On 2006-09-24 23:24, trunkszero wrote:
but since theres server side saving only hacking on ps2 and xbox360 should be at a minimum



true but ps2 play with pc people so you will see more hacking there than on 360




your an idiot i give up.

[Eclypse]

On 2006-09-24 21:47, Spellbinder wrote:
When will all the Paranoia end? Cheating will be inevitable in some shape or form. It just depends on how Sega handles things.



Exactly, and with there track record you can pretty much know what is going ot happen.

However, I feel alot safer on the 360 than I do if I were to get the PS2 or play on my PC because Live was only hacked on PSOX with Action Replay and prepatch modchips, and those methods will not work on the 360 and to date I've yet to see a game on Live have any kind of non-game included cheat in it.

[Yusaku_Kudou]

Thing is, PS2 has GameSharks and PC is pretty open to applications, whereas Xbox 360 doesn't have a cheat device or other applications running on the side. Now add in server saves and no offline crossover play, then the 360 version is looking to be almost surely cheat-free.

[DizzyDi]

On 2006-09-25 03:56, Yusaku_Kudou wrote:
Thing is, PS2 has GameSharks and PC is pretty open to applications, whereas Xbox 360 doesn't have a cheat device or other applications running on the side. Now add in server saves and no offline crossover play, then the 360 version is looking to be almost surely cheat-free.



X360 already has modchips and stuff available for it.

[Saner]

360 will definitely be the most secure version.

but ya even the PC and PS2 servers wont be ruined by duping and the like. it all depends on people's tolerance for things.