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Alisha
11-06-2002, 03:18 AM
scan kid pointed this out to me and some of this shit is crazy
http://www.ragol.com/pages/char/char.php
Scan_Man
11-06-2002, 05:30 AM
Yeah, at first glance the stats do not make any sense. Mostly because in some cases they seem to ignore gender and race rules. But I think I figured out what Sonic Team is trying to do with the stats. I do not have time to fully explain. But I have managed (in theory following the new stat rules) to fit in the stats for other classes that do not exsist yet like Humarl, Hunewman, Ranewearl etc.
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Would someone please tell me how the hell a HUnewearl's max ATP can be lower than a RAcasts?
Rangers aren't supposed to have ATP that's up there with hunters.
My RAcaseal is going to be far inferior to RAmars...
That's... just... embarassing...
googles
11-06-2002, 06:25 AM
damn! FOmars can use imperial pick..#### fonewm i want a fomar now!
Vandal
11-06-2002, 07:32 AM
Holy sh!t!! Haha HUcasts freaking rock now, not only do they have far and away the highest max ATP and hp of the HU, they get the most freeze/confuse traps of all the bots ^____^ That rocks since the dmg traps don't seem to do jack any more. I also like what I see for RAmar and FOmar as well, and think I'll be sticking with those.
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I just noticed that RAcasts STILL have higher dfp/hp/eva than HUcasts ... WHY? They don't NEED higher hp/dfp/eva than a HU so its kind of pointless to mention anyway, but it still bugs me. HUcasts having lower ATA than the 'living' HU bugs me too, what kind of friggin' targetting comp ARE they using nowadays?
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On 2002-11-06 05:32, Vandal wrote:
HUcasts having lower ATA than the 'living' HU bugs me too, what kind of friggin' targetting comp ARE they using nowadays?
The latest from ATi, which explains the crappyness. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Well, they probably made it lower due to balancing issues. With traps, the large amount of ATP, and HP regeneration, they had to do something to balance the other hunters.
Vic_Viper
11-06-2002, 08:19 AM
On 2002-11-06 05:32, Vandal wrote:
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I just noticed that RAcasts STILL have higher dfp/hp/eva than HUcasts ... WHY? They don't NEED higher hp/dfp/eva than a HU so its kind of pointless to mention anyway, but it still bugs me. HUcasts having lower ATA than the 'living' HU bugs me too, what kind of friggin' targetting comp ARE they using nowadays?
Hucasts are more likely to "real life" machines as they are now. When you increase physical power in a machine there's aways a penalty in accuracy as the parts need to get bigger to support more physical stress. That's physics on real life. The bigger the part the less precision you get of it. It's true to industrial robots as well ...
At least this I can come with a answer to. But some of the other stats I don't figued out a reasonamble reason ... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Vandal
11-06-2002, 10:00 AM
Hucasts are more likely to "real life" machines as they are now. When you increase physical power in a machine there's aways a penalty in accuracy as the parts need to get bigger to support more physical stress. That's physics on real life. The bigger the part the less precision you get of it. It's true to industrial robots as well ...
Ok, I buy that. Still wish I knew why a robot that spends more time standing still killing things from across the room needs to be the best tank in the game as well >.<
The only possible explanation thats crossed my mind is that Sega wanted to make them more capable of soloing, because without party members to distract enemies up close and personal they do kinda catch up with you pretty quick in vhard-ult, and then the ouch happens. Also maybe for endurance vs. bosses since they don't have big dmg like HUcasts or techs like FO to tear 'em apart quickly. I'm not as bothered when considering that stuff.
jello44
11-06-2002, 11:39 AM
god damn, I remember when the RAcaseal used to be the best ranger character, but ST totally fudged that up. And I can't see why a HUnewearl has less ATp than a RAcast, ok its a bot and its "male" but, she's a HUNTER! Bah, oh well, I guess the techs make up for that eh?
Malkavian
11-06-2002, 02:36 PM
Are those stats reliable????
RAcaseal and FOmarl have shitty stats. I don't see the point in these 2 characters. Only things they have are hp and dfp
FlipXL
11-06-2002, 03:42 PM
Dont know if u guys see this yet but notice the stats of a FOmar to a FOmarl he beats her at everything... he has more MST, TP, ATP.......
On 2002-11-06 13:42, FlipXL wrote:
Dont know if u guys see this yet but notice the stats of a FOmar to a FOmarl he beats her at everything... he has more MST, TP, ATP.......
Not everything, the FOmarl has more HP, DFP, and ATA, her support techniques are more effective, and her Grants does 50% more damage than normal, as opposed to the FOmar's doing 30% more.
FlipXL
11-06-2002, 04:46 PM
also i thought the HUCast had the highest HP in the game??? how come Racast has higher this time?
Hucast= HP 1762
Hucaseal= HP 1380
racast= HP 1964
racaseal= HP 1890
LOL even ramars have higher Hp then hucaseal ramarls aint far behind eiether...
Scan_Man
11-06-2002, 06:10 PM
On 2002-11-06 14:46, FlipXL wrote:
also i thought the HUCast had the highest HP in the game??? how come Racast has higher this time?
Hucast= HP 1762
Hucaseal= HP 1380
racast= HP 1964
racaseal= HP 1890
LOL even ramars have higher Hp then hucaseal ramarls aint far behind eiether...
The reason is the male android naturally has high HP. Note that high hp is a ranger trait. Therefore when you have high hp(natural for being a male android) plus high hp (natural for rangers) equals best hp in the game.
I have been thinking about how Sonic Team arranged the stats all day. I managed to figure out just about all the stats. The only thing bothering me is why Humar has more hp than Hucaseal, yet Racaseal has more hp than Ramar. I'm close to figuring it out I think.
Vandal
11-06-2002, 06:11 PM
It is kinda sad what they did to RAcaseal.. But I'd rather they be screwed than RAmars o.o;
sMaRtAzZ
11-06-2002, 06:28 PM
i dont really like HUcaseals stats....it really sux how some rangers have higher hp than a hunter....how gay.....i better just play with my RAmarl now...o_O;.....damn ST just had to ruin my day
I remeber hearing that the male hunters having a crappy sword animation. Then theres the whole "growth level". Not your max stats, but what is gained per level. Some characters despite there high stat caps get low growth in certain areas, and it begins too pick up later on. Like ATA for example. With no hit mats, i'd assume having good ata groth would be important if you want too devote your mag stats and mats to other areas.
Some of the stats seem kinda off for certain classes, but what I say is performance versus stats.
I care more about what stat is more effective in certain situations then actually having more of a particular stat.
I notice certain classes have small bonuses over another class in numerous areas. Like the FOmar having 60 more MST then the FOmarl. Try and consider if it will actually give the FOmar an advantage over the FOmarl. 60 mst does about 16 more damage, and gives a decent amount of tp. If I remeber correctly the FOmar has poor resta range. Thats not mentioned in the max stats list.
How much damage will 80+ atp actually do? About 47 more damage if your atp is high and you have level 30 shifta on. How much more usefull is having 20 more ATA then 100 ATP+? In what situations will dealing 61 more damage be more usefull then being able to connect a normal/hard/hard hit 100% of the time. In what situation where having 20 more ata is useless and 100 more atp far more helpfull?
In ver2 while certain characters had really high stats in certain areas(ie. FOnewearl MST) having a good 250+ more MST then FOmarl did very little in terms of performance, when compared to the FOmarls 250+ atp.
Can't really rush too conclusions.
Vandal
11-07-2002, 10:02 PM
After recently noticing (only took me a friggin' week...) just how much harder it is for HUcasts to consistently land h/h/h combos, I'm convinced HUcaseal isn't as useless as I thought, but they still need more hp.. Scan I'm really interested in how this puzzle all fits together, please post up your findings o.O;
Malkavian
11-09-2002, 08:30 AM
I think ST broke general rules and balanced the stats thinking more in the specific class (hunter,ranger or force)
And then balanced the classes making magic more powerful, putting more enemies that need guns, removing some weps from a class and give others to other class (like removing needle from hunters), etc...
So I think is pointless try to find a relation between Hucast-Hucaseal<>Racast-Racaseal Humar<>Ramar Fomar-Fomarl<>Ramar-Ramarl etc..
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TeamPhalanx
11-09-2002, 10:59 AM
On 2002-11-06 12:36, Malkavian wrote:
Are those stats reliable????
I don't see how they could be 100% correct with the HP/TP; the other stats should be correct since they can be obtained through units and materials.
Alisha
11-10-2002, 02:20 AM
those stats are from the pso guidebook so id think they are fairly accurate
Scan_Man
11-10-2002, 06:24 PM
So I think is pointless try to find a relation between Hucast-Hucaseal<>Racast-Racaseal Humar<>Ramar Fomar-Fomarl<>Ramar-Ramarl etc..
There is a relation. Remember earlier I said I figured out the stats? Well I am ready to share a few points.
It seems the order of classes is Force, Hunter, Ranger. Forces are closer to Hunters, and Rangers are opposite of Forces.
Take a character that has an exceptional high stat at the Ranger stage. Bring him/her to the Hunter stage, and that stat will lower a bit. Now at the Force stage that decrease will be significant. The same goes for exceptional low stats. As for stats a character is average in, those will follow gender/race and class rules.
Here are some examples...
The human male character has exceptional high ata ( the most of his class and most for game) as a Ranger. At the Hunter stage this number decreases . When the human male character is a force, he has exceptional low ata (lowest for class and game).
Same goes for human female character with her high evp. As a Ranger she has highest evp for class and game. When a force, her evp is lowest for class and game.
Androids work the same, but they have only Hunter and Ranger to work with for now. Therefore, some stats will seem lower than they should be in some places and higher in other places.
Using those rules, I can guess what the stats for Ranewearl, Humarl, Hunewman, and Ranewman could be.
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Malkavian
11-11-2002, 12:44 PM
Well what you said has some sense with what I said.
They changed the stats having forces, hunters and rangers as different blocks without respecting general human/newman/android rules
Defend
11-11-2002, 02:29 PM
Well, it seems my fears were put to rest, RAcast is actually better as far as I see it. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Less EVP, more ATP! Woohoooo.. and the HUcaseal.. HAHAHAHAAAAA.. oh it pleases me, I was gonna stick with HUcast, and it would've paid off.
I wasn't expecting the RAcast to keep all his good stats.. ATP, DFP, HP... but he really has. EVP has dropped, no loss. HP has too, but so has everyone's, he's still on top. Its a shame his ATA is a little gluggy, but its still fine with his ATP that compares to a HU, he's still a RA.
His DFP bugs me. Its the same, which is great.. but wtf happened to the RAcaseal? Her 80+ DFP over him is insane.. that's heaps! Couple that with her huge EVP, HP, and RA-style back-pedalling... she'd be damn tough to take down in battle. I really think she'll be more of a tank than the RAcast now.
I like what they've done with all the RA this time, mixed up quite well imo, great for varying battles. I'd still stick with the RAcast, RA accuracy a given, brute strength on top, and of course, style. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Not that I'm getting this game http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
The FO are done well too imo, just the FOmarl seems to have the least perks. She'll be a good defensive battler too, like v2's FOnewm.. but that's all she's got going for her now I think.
The HU.. HUmar and HUcaseal I always planned to avoid, and now that's strengthened. I think these two copped the bad end of stats in different areas.
RAcast, HUcast, HUnewearl, FOmarl would be my first four. FOnewm would've been my 5th, but I like all these FO, and really, same goes for the RA.
How's your RAcast coming along Malk?! Apparently their very uncommon.. all these HUcaseal fools BAHAHAHAHA!!111
Vandal
11-11-2002, 03:28 PM
I'm a HUcast / RAmar player first, and it sure paid off in this ver. I'm very curious as to how my FOmar will turn out but haven't played him cause they are all I see running around nowadays :/
EDarkness
11-11-2002, 04:03 PM
Interesting stats.
I was looking at one of my favorite character classes RAcaseal and I think the stats are probably the best of the Rangers. This surprises me considering I thought they were the weakest class of the bunch, but I don't feel so bad for playing one now. One of the things that surprised me is that were that RAmars have crappy defense.
Pretty cool, though.
-EDarkness
saffaya
11-11-2002, 05:06 PM
How's your RAcast coming along Malk?! Apparently their very uncommon.. all these HUcaseal fools BAHAHAHAHA!!111
Hey .. Not only Malk posts but Defend too !!
sweet ! hope you guys doing well.
I wish we could play again sometime.
I'll always have my Caseals ready for a full droid team party !
On which platform to meet, that is the question http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Malkavian
11-12-2002, 12:59 PM
Hiee Saffaya, I will get it in GC. But I dunno which version, Jp has bug, US has expensive quote... I may wait a bit more.
Davion
11-12-2002, 01:44 PM
What does Skillful Techniques mean in the force section? Does it mean they cast them faster?
Alisha
11-12-2002, 02:47 PM
it means they are more profficient in it.
for example fomarls get a+ 1.5% bonus to grants and all their support techs have incre4ased range
Lman90245
11-12-2002, 03:26 PM
i've been working awhile on my FOmar name is Xellos... man you wouldn't believe the rares I have found...
sec id: Greennill
name: Xellos
FOmar
lvl: 68
hp 420/420
tp 670/670
main weapon for levels "Soul Eater"
main weapon for boss's "G-ASSASSIN'S SABERS"
Mag: Marica lvl: 200 power mag
current area i'm working on Forest in Ult and I really hate those Bartles _/ but I shall overcome
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