Well great...looks like hackers and cheaters are running ram

[MrConstipated]

according to some people over at gamefaqs who keep up or play the JP version say theres already people with infinite money hp/pp online and they were doing this the first week the game came out.

according to them sega so far has done nothing except take down the servers for a meseta dupe bug.

10 bucks a month for sega to let these clowns run rampant ONLINE...

lets hope sega gets their act together for the NA version

[Miyoko]

You listen to people on gamefaqs?

[DarkShadowX]

On 2006-10-22 16:07, Miyoko wrote:
You listen to people on gamefaqs?



How true.

[Elleranda]

Aw man, you're still around?

[Xeraphim]

I don't trust GameFAQs for numerous reasons, so yes, until this is brought to our attention by Sega then I'd say it's no big deal. After all, we have people who imported on these forums I think. And we've heard nothing of it so far.

[Yoiyami]

On 2006-10-22 16:07, Miyoko wrote:
You listen to people on gamefaqs?



Good point... But still, I wouldn't be surprised if he's referring to the PS2/PC servers.

[Garnet_Moon]

GameFAQs has some nice guides for various things, but the message board just makes me lol.

[Mewn]

I've heard little about any cheating on the JP servers.

Also obligatory lol gamefaqs comment.

[Skittle]

yea, if the info spreads to other than just one site we may have some evidence for this conspiracy, but until then we should just calm our little heads down and wait 2 days for our game...

[Kayai]

for some strange reason, i doubt theres any truth in your statement...

[Yoiyami]

On 2006-10-22 16:11, Skittle wrote:
yea, if the info spreads to other than just one site we may have some evidence for this conspiracy, but until then we should just calm our little heads down and wait 2 days for our game...



*nodnod*

[Wheatpenny]

Bah! There will be no cheaters...I will shoot them with my Emoblast!(Kinda like a Nanoblast except all my clothes turn black and tears run down my face and I enter PvP mode.) .What can I say I like to crack jokes....A LOT. But seriously as many times as this game got pushed back for NA release I would think this might have been one of the reasons.

[Kupi]

On 2006-10-22 16:09, Yoiyami wrote:


On 2006-10-22 16:07, Miyoko wrote:
You listen to people on gamefaqs?



Good point... But still, I wouldn't be surprised if he's referring to the PS2/PC servers.



Y'know, people say the same kind of thing about PSOW. It *is* pretty much the largest American fansite for PSO/PSU out there, and suffers many of the same problems that GameFAQs does. Namely, being the most visible example of its kind leads to it having all types of posters on its boards, good and bad. I wouldn't be so quick to judge information just because it came from a GameFAQs board. That said, I'm off to see if I can find the actual post and judge based on that.

[MrConstipated]

i don't think its big enough to spread around to other sites....YET. In japan it probly is but there is still so much unknown on these shores even with the importers who choose to share their info ( and only half those understand the language enough to know whats really going on)

so the fact that people are starting to come forth and talk about the cheating thats already going on the JP servers has me hopeing sega makes an effort to make sure the house is clean on the NA servers...lets hope

[VoidAbsolute]

On 2006-10-22 16:14, Kupi wrote:


On 2006-10-22 16:09, Yoiyami wrote:


On 2006-10-22 16:07, Miyoko wrote:
You listen to people on gamefaqs?



Good point... But still, I wouldn't be surprised if he's referring to the PS2/PC servers.



Y'know, people say the same kind of thing about PSOW. It *is* pretty much the largest American fansite for PSO/PSU out there, and suffers many of the same problems that GameFAQs does. Namely, being the most visible example of its kind leads to it having all types of posters on its boards, good and bad. I wouldn't be so quick to judge information just because it came from a GameFAQs board. That said, I'm off to see if I can find the actual post and judge based on that.



I have to agree with you there, though lets hope it is just some stupid rumor.....

[JaiBlue]

dammit I thought he left.

[ProfessorZ]

I swear to God it seems some of you actually hope there is cheating so you can bitch and whine and complain about it

[Yoruichi]

Y'know, people say the same kind of thing about PSOW. It *is* pretty much the largest American fansite for PSO/PSU out there, and suffers many of the same problems that GameFAQs does. Namely, being the most visible example of its kind leads to it having all types of posters on its boards, good and bad. I wouldn't be so quick to judge information just because it came from a GameFAQs board. That said, I'm off to see if I can find the actual post and judge based on that.



Mmmm the voice of unbiased reason, I'll follow suit, to gamefaqs!

[Kismet]

This thread is kind of annoying, pointless, and biased.

Next!

[McLaughlin]

On 2006-10-22 16:06, MrConstipated wrote:
according to some people over at gamefaqs who keep up or play the JP version say theres already people with infinite money hp/pp online and they were doing this the first week the game came out.

according to them sega so far has done nothing except take down the servers for a meseta dupe bug.

10 bucks a month for sega to let these clowns run rampant ONLINE...

lets hope sega gets their act together for the NA version


So basically, according to random, anonomous people on the internet who hail from one of the fallacy-ridden communities on the net, people were cheating online in a game where ALL the data is serverside. Within the first week no less.

Yeah...I'm going to go ahead and call Bull****.

[vitius137]

NO SOUP FOR YOU! NEXT!!!@111!XO

[Yoiyami]

On 2006-10-22 16:14, Kupi wrote:


On 2006-10-22 16:09, Yoiyami wrote:


On 2006-10-22 16:07, Miyoko wrote:
You listen to people on gamefaqs?



Good point... But still, I wouldn't be surprised if he's referring to the PS2/PC servers.



Y'know, people say the same kind of thing about PSOW. It *is* pretty much the largest American fansite for PSO/PSU out there, and suffers many of the same problems that GameFAQs does. Namely, being the most visible example of its kind leads to it having all types of posters on its boards, good and bad. I wouldn't be so quick to judge information just because it came from a GameFAQs board. That said, I'm off to see if I can find the actual post and judge based on that.



The reason why it was said was because a LOT of false rumors start from Gamefaqs. That wasn't an attack on the community, just the information that comes from them is iffy until proven.

No ones judging anyone, you read too much into it.

[kazuma56]

Well my friend appearantly said there was cheating... but on the 360 beta... he has said nothing about the PC/PS2 japan servers at all... doubt there is any truth to that seeing as data is serverside, but 360 users beware a possible "hacked" community when it releases.

[phunk]

Cheating is inevitable; it'll happen on NA servers just as JP, once a loop-hole is found that is.

[VoidAbsolute]

we fight too much, lets all hold hands and make PSOW a better place for everyone......*cough cough*

[McLaughlin]

Well, my Uncle knows this guy who has a cousin who's friend's dad is a janitor in Bungie's studio, and he says Halo2 has a Golden Warthog, so the PSU cheating must be true!

There was ZERO cheating on the Beta. This I can atest to.

EDIT: What makes you think the Xbox 360 will be worse off? ALL DATA FOR THE ONLINE GAME IS SERVERSIDE, NO MATTER WHICH CONSOLE YOU'RE ON. Drop your pipe, and back away from the bowl.



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[BioWarrior]

Its just random people of the PS2/PC and XBOX360 communities trying to stir up the other community to get people to switch IMO. >.>

[Garnet_Moon]

Let's perform witch hunts on everybody and flood GMs with complaints.

That guy just teleported across the screen? OH NOEZ! He's using speed hacks. He can't possibly be on 56k.

That dude doesn't seem to die, but i'm not exactly watching him all the time! He's got unlimited HP! Nevermind the fact that he might be using recovery items when i'm not looking.

Unlimited PP? DENIED! /callgm. Nevermind the fact that he has multiple weapons that look the same. I can't have possibly blinked or looked away when he changed. >_>

Mmm... i'm gonna love the threads that are soon to come once retail is out.

[wildstar]

If you read the topic (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926988&topic=31281266)at GF more carefully, at least the one I *think* you're refering to MrC, they are asking if there is cheating, not stating that there is cheating.

Many PSO'ers remember the bad times that came about when cheating spread on DC and GC. Don't be so quick to spread rumors about PSU until you have facts.

Many of us read here every day, and many importers post here regularly. The only cheating I'm aware of is some dupe glitches that Sega identified, shut down the servers to fix, and that was that.

[Elleranda]

On 2006-10-22 16:42, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Let's perform witch hunts on everybody and flood GMs with complaints.

That guy just teleported across the screen? OH NOEZ! He's using speed hacks. He can't possibly be on 56k.

That dude doesn't seem to die, but i'm not exactly watching him all the time! He's got unlimited HP! Nevermind the fact that he might be using recovery items when i'm not looking.

Unlimited PP? DENIED! /callgm. Nevermind the fact that he has multiple weapons that look the same. I can't have possibly blinked or looked away when he changed. >_>

Mmm... i'm gonna love the threads that are soon to come once retail is out.



THIS MAN IS A HACKER! YOU CAN TELL BECAUSE HE SUPPORTS THE PAIN AND SUFFERING HACKERS THROW AGAINST OTHERS AND MOCKS THEIR COMPLAINING!!!

[Cause_I_Own_U]

Dude, dont even listen to people at gamefaqs that place is just full of rampant flamers and liars

[Hajile]

So the moral of the story is withoiut possible dupes/exploits we have no drama to post? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[McLaughlin]

I think the moral of the story is:

"Durrrr Gamerfaqs."

[Weak]

"No Link? Don't think. Click the back button."

[EvolXx]

My fear is the hackers, its no fun when it comes to PS, it kinda ruined PSO online for the Xbox... I guesse we can hope and pray! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Chronosv2]

On 2006-10-22 16:58, Weak wrote:
"No Link? Don't think. Click the back button."



Quoted for truth.
All data is server side. The only thing server-side are the graphics and sounds. For the so called cheat to work they'd have had to somehow break into the servers, which I'm sure are quite well protected.

Just my $0.02...but I really don't think the GFs post is accurate.

[Vhex]

Believe. Don't be stupid folks, cheating is simple and prevailent. ><;

Enough proof? Jeez gamfaqs.com has credibility mind you...
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Mode edit: Links removed. Do not link to cheating/hacking forums, please!







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[AlphaMinotaux]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif free items glady accepted

[EnixBelmont]

Offline is already hacked to holy hell. Online probably will be eventually when they figure out a way to affect server data.

[Ecstasy]

On 2006-10-22 18:00, EnixBelmont wrote:
Offline is already hacked to holy hell. Online probably will be eventually when they figure out a way to affect server data.



any offline game can easily be 'hacked to hell' It's called moding. You can basically put any number of items, or create you'r own items if you know how to do it. Now with online with charecter data saved to the actual server now the best a hacker can do is a money dupe, or find an exploit withen the game itself. All witch can be easily fixed with a rollback, or a patch.

What i find interesting is how little people know about othere MMO's. they all save there charecter data to the server's themselves. This pretty much prevent's any exploit, or money dupe from being permanent.

[Iano]

Cheating is inevitable. How Sega will respond and the timeframe of their resolution will be the key factors. At least the 360 servers are isolated. While it may be possible to cheat on the 360 servers, the tools and methods to do so will be more involved and less widespread imo. It was pretty tough to pull something off on XBOX 1 Live...

[Emgro]

They also track a lot more data than most of us think. They ought to know where every last meseta comes from, where it goes, when and how you got it, and whether you were teamed or solo.

[Ecstasy]

One more thing, the ONLY way someone could add lvl's to there toon, Give themselves god mode, or any items. they would actually have to hack into the SEGA servers themselves. Witch is a major felony, and can result in time in prison. I highly doubt anyone is going to risk prison, just to get ahead in a game:P

[BlueDagger]

With our characters now being saved to a server, not our comsole/PC I doubt any catastrophic cheating will accure. None less then other MMO. However, I still have to worry if Sega will do anything about the small amount of cheating there will be.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2006-10-22 17:43, Vhex wrote:
lol, haxx links



Enjoy your B&.



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[Flamingo99]

On 2006-10-22 18:11, Ecstasy wrote:
One more thing, the ONLY way someone could add lvl's to there toon, Give themselves god mode, or any items. they would actually have to hack into the SEGA servers themselves. Witch is a major felony, and can result in time in prison. I highly doubt anyone is going to risk prison, just to get ahead in a game:P



Sadly.... I wouldn't doubt that there are some people who would take the risk (I don't think anyone one on these fourms.... but there has got to be someone...).

[Ecstasy]

On 2006-10-22 18:12, BlueDagger wrote:
With our characters now being saved to a server, not our comsole/PC I doubt any catastrophic cheating will accure. None less then other MMO. However, I still have to worry if Sega will do anything about the small amount of cheating there will be.



Well with most exploiters in MMO's they tend to get away with it. Unless it's a money dope, or exploiting a major bug within the game.

[Iano]

On 2006-10-22 18:11, Ecstasy wrote:
One more thing, the ONLY way someone could add lvl's to there toon, Give themselves god mode, or any items. they would actually have to hack into the SEGA servers themselves. Witch is a major felony, and can result in time in prison. I highly doubt anyone is going to risk prison, just to get ahead in a game:P



Hmm... some prisons have XBOXs...

[Blitzkommando]

An online Phantasy Star game hacked? I DON'T BELIEVE IT!

[Uncle_bob]

On 2006-10-22 18:15, Norvekh wrote:
An online Phantasy Star game hacked? I DON'T BELIEVE IT!



Japan is perfect, so don't believe it!

[Elleranda]

On 2006-10-22 18:13, Ecstasy wrote:


On 2006-10-22 18:12, BlueDagger wrote:
With our characters now being saved to a server, not our comsole/PC I doubt any catastrophic cheating will accure. None less then other MMO. However, I still have to worry if Sega will do anything about the small amount of cheating there will be.



Well with most exploiters in MMO's they tend to get away with it. Unless it's a money dope, or exploiting a major bug within the game.



What other exploits are there that really matter?

[Ecstasy]

On 2006-10-22 18:17, Elleranda wrote:


On 2006-10-22 18:13, Ecstasy wrote:


On 2006-10-22 18:12, BlueDagger wrote:
With our characters now being saved to a server, not our comsole/PC I doubt any catastrophic cheating will accure. None less then other MMO. However, I still have to worry if Sega will do anything about the small amount of cheating there will be.



Well with most exploiters in MMO's they tend to get away with it. Unless it's a money dope, or exploiting a major bug within the game.



What other exploits are there that really matter?


Well, there could be a spot within a zone you could stand in, and not receive damage. Or just recently there was a pet bug in SWG where you could call multiple pets, and basically kill you'r enemy no trouble at all. just little theings like that nothing to serious.

[FenixStryk]

This is MrConstipated we're talking about. He's about as trust-worthy as my unborn child. That, and there's no links, AND it's from GameFAQs... seriously. C'mon.

[Ecstasy]

On 2006-10-22 18:50, FenixStryk wrote:
This is MrConstipated we're talking about. He's about as trust-worthy as my unborn child. That, and there's no links, AND it's from GameFAQs... seriously. C'mon.



has he spread rumors before?

[FenixStryk]

On 2006-10-22 18:51, Ecstasy wrote:
On 2006-10-22 18:50, FenixStryk wrote:
This is MrConstipated we're talking about. He's about as trust-worthy as my unborn child. That, and there's no links, AND it's from GameFAQs... seriously. C'mon.has he spread rumors before?
I guess you missed his whole power-gaming elitist thread. =|



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[Katrina]

with DNAS, server side character storage, etc.. I don't see anyone being able to 'hack' the servers. Now as far as 'exploits' go, I'm sure some ppl are bound to come across an exploit or two.

I read one case where there were areas in game where you could stand and not be hit by mobs. That would be considered an exploit. Duping items or money by experimenting with items on PM's, money glitches using the stores, etc. Stuff like that has been done in other onlines, and may have been what caused the rollback of the servers (all speculation on my part).

Stuff like that I'm a little worried about, but I'm not really worried about someone hacking the actual servers.

[Hajile]

b0mb is the patron saint of "Hey you don't belive me? GFuser" rember you guy's flamed him about the 360 demo? ;p

Not saying theres rampant h4x cuz some random guy said it over a net forum though. Maybe keep a good look out for poissble exploiters in the future. No one wants to see someone with a IG-name tag handing out free mestea.

[Ryudo]

On 2006-10-22 18:50, FenixStryk wrote:
He's about as trust-worthy as my unborn child.


If he was an unborn child I'd kick his mother in the stomach.

[FenixStryk]

On 2006-10-22 19:02, Ryudo wrote:


On 2006-10-22 18:50, FenixStryk wrote:
He's about as trust-worthy as my unborn child.


If he was an unborn child I'd kick his mother in the stomach.

LOL. I might do the same. But let's end the flaming that I caused here. Even if he is this bad of a guy, we're not doing any better.

Back on topic, ...yeah, this is highly unlikely. Might run into a dupe bug or something similar, but otherwise, it's about as big a threat as RMT.

[MayLee]

There will be no cheating on my missions, I know that.

Besides, didn't they say Sega are getting serious with this stuff?

[BlueDagger]

On 2006-10-22 18:11, Ecstasy wrote:
One more thing, the ONLY way someone could add lvl's to there toon, Give themselves god mode, or any items. they would actually have to hack into the SEGA servers themselves. Witch is a major felony, and can result in time in prison. I highly doubt anyone is going to risk prison, just to get ahead in a game:P



Mod chips are also illegal, aren't they? Not like the government cares....

[AlphaMinotaux]

As long as i dont Get FSOD(frozen screen of Death) or Blue screen of death on Comp, or get NOL'd i really don't care much abotu hackers.

[b3n]

If there are hackers running around everywhere with infinite hp/pp and all the rares im not gona play psu at all. That completely ruins the game.

[Sizzors]

True, but ST will screw up, they always do...

And sometimes it isn't their fault, I admit. Other times how ever...

[Chronosv2]

Hacking into a corporate server and mod-chipping are entirely different things though. One is done to your personal property, the other is done to a major corporation. Difference? Yep, a big one.

And DNAS is a great idea. I'm glad Sony decided to implement that, otherwise you'd never escape the hacking. Granted, I'm sure there are little things here and there, but I've never heard of any major PS2 online game hacking.

[Blenjar]

On 2006-10-22 19:21, Chronosv2 wrote:
Hacking into a corporate server and mod-chipping are entirely different things though. One is done to your personal property, the other is done to a major corporation. Difference? Yep, a big one.

And DNAS is a great idea. I'm glad Sony decided to implement that, otherwise you'd never escape the hacking. Granted, I'm sure there are little things here and there, but I've never heard of any major PS2 online game hacking.


+1

-- Blen

[Bleemo]

We're f***cked.

I just heard from GameFAQs that there are already hacks on the JP version that completely remove player clothing, allowing players to run around naked.

10 bucks a month for sega to let these clowns run rampant ONLINE...

lets hope sega gets their act together for the NA version

[Parn]

On 2006-10-22 16:06, MrConstipated wrote:
according to some people over at gamefaqs
Is this guy for real.

[Sizzors]

On 2006-10-22 19:47, Parn wrote:

Is this guy for real.



No. I don't think he believes in "reality" or "life" and things like that.

[Miyoko]

On 2006-10-22 19:39, Bleemo wrote:

I just heard from GameFAQs that there are already hacks on the JP version that completely remove player clothing, allowing players to run around naked.



Wait, this is bad?

[McLaughlin]

On 2006-10-22 20:00, Miyoko wrote:


On 2006-10-22 19:39, Bleemo wrote:

I just heard from GameFAQs that there are already hacks on the JP version that completely remove player clothing, allowing players to run around naked.



Wait, this is bad?



I second this motion. Nekkid hax may not be so bad...

[Yoiyami]

On 2006-10-22 19:39, Bleemo wrote:
We're f***cked.

I just heard from GameFAQs that there are already hacks on the JP version that completely remove player clothing, allowing players to run around naked.

10 bucks a month for sega to let these clowns run rampant ONLINE...

lets hope sega gets their act together for the NA version



Public nudity?! ONLINE?! *gasp* How DARE Sega turn a blind eye to this...this outragous behavior! What about the children?!

*faints*

[Miyoko]

I actually have a screenshot of it >___>;; It doesn't look like much of a hack, but rather, a skin change.

Too bad this board is work safe http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[FenixStryk]

On 2006-10-22 19:47, Parn wrote:

On 2006-10-22 16:06, MrConstipated wrote:
according to some people over at gamefaqs
Is this guy for real.Lol. =]

[A2K]

An unverifiable, unsubstatiated rumor gets a lock.