PSU: Japanese Version of World of Warcraft?

[RZetlin]

I might be going on a limb, but PSU could be the Japanese version of World of Warcraft?

In terms of community building?

[Zeppelin36]

idk not many people pay attetion to PSO/PSU idk why they don't most people just go with whats popular so they can be like everyone else thats why there not even as close as many people on PSO/PSU as in world of warcraft. but honestly imo PSU is better than WoW. i mean c'mon... right clicking on an enemy and watching your person kill it is fun?
PSU=better, more action,cooler stuff

[Gaderffii]

I agree with zep. PSU pwnz j00, WoW sucks!

[Garasu]

WoW has a cult...Phantasy Star has a vast civilazation....

[Kimil]

Plain and simply.... WoW is a time Sink
PSU is much faster Pased, a lot more action and little grinding alone

[Kie]

I played WoW nonstop like all of summer then when psu came out I started seeing all these videos and was like "god this game sucks im going back to the game that first got me into online games(pso)" so I was chillen on psoBB for awile but dont play now now im just waiting for tommarrow to come for my psu >.> god I hope it doesnt get here monday.... but I think psu is much better then WoW. but to answer your question no I dont think so and I acully like it that way less idiots goign around saying "omg you suck you n00b get a life and give up" im sure people on psu will be like that but not having as many people as WoW will definatly reduce the ammount of peopl who do nothing but insult others



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[RZetlin]

I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?

[Cigaro]

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?



Not in a million years, and thank god for that.

[Kie]

On 2006-10-26 20:29, Cigaro wrote:

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?



Not in a million years, and thank god for that.



lol agreed

[Datearian]

I'm APALLED! I don't know what the community building really is ( I have my guesses) But how DARE you compare PSO/PSU to WoW! WoW is PSO's Biotch!

[boythatkills]

On 2006-10-26 20:54, Kie wrote:

On 2006-10-26 20:29, Cigaro wrote:

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?



Not in a million years, and thank god for that.



lol agreed



I was thinking the exact same thing.

[IzaneI]

On 2006-10-26 21:12, Datearian wrote:
I'm APALLED! I don't know what the community building really is ( I have my guesses) But how DARE you compare PSO/PSU to WoW! WoW is PSO's Biotch!


You spelled Bitch wrong...







But seriously, WoW will always be more popular because when people see a trailer for WoW they think "That looks like fun, I guess." and at the end of the trailer it says "produced by BLIZZARD" and everyones like "OMG!! IM BYING THAT RIGHT NOWS!"

But for PSU, ppl watching the trailer will be like "Hey... this game looks sweet!" and then at then it says "SEGA and Sonic Team" and the viewers tun to their left and vomit. "EWWW SEGA! What was I thinking... I thought it looked good but I was wrong."

[Cigaro]

On 2006-10-26 21:18, IzaneI wrote:

On 2006-10-26 21:12, Datearian wrote:
I'm APALLED! I don't know what the community building really is ( I have my guesses) But how DARE you compare PSO/PSU to WoW! WoW is PSO's Biotch!


You spelled Bitch wrong...







But seriously, WoW will always be more popular because when people see a trailer for WoW they think "That looks like fun, I guess." and at the end of the trailer it says "produced by BLIZZARD" and everyones like "OMG!! IM BYING THAT RIGHT NOWS!"

But for PSU, ppl watching the trailer will be like "Hey... this game looks sweet!" and then at then it says "SEGA and Sonic Team" and the viewers tun to their left and vomit. "EWWW SEGA! What was I thinking... I thought it looked good but I was wrong."



Or it could just be that Warcraft is a wildly more popular franchise than Phantasy Star ever was. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I was never a fan of either, but I'm not one to ignore the obvious.

[Killuminati]

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?



I seriously doubt pso it but wish it would happen so Sega would have more money to make future versions bug free bigger and better.

[Datearian]

I'm not 100% nerd so seeing the name blizzard doesn't have that effect on me. As for those people, what are they? Fucking retarded? Is this generation that fucktardtastic that they don't even know of all the greatness that sega was and still is. Sure they've had their ups and downs but what game company hasn't?

You spelled buying wrong, you didn't even type out the whole word for people, and you spelled turn wrong. You left out whole words for christ sake. If you don't know...bitch is the same thing as biotch it's just pronounced like it's spelled, sorry if that's too hard for you to understand.

WoW is PSO's AND PSU's BITCH. Happy?

[Datearian]

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?


It's possible, but sadly, unlikely. There's too many uber nerd ass fanboy WoW people out there that don't know their own roots.

[Cigaro]

On 2006-10-26 21:29, Datearian wrote:
I'm not 100% nerd so seeing the name blizzard doesn't have that effect on me. As for those people, what are they? Fucking retarded? Is this generation that fucktardtastic that they don't even know of all the greatness that sega was and still is. Sure they've had their ups and downs but what game company hasn't?

You spelled buying wrong, you didn't even type out the whole word for people, and you spelled turn wrong. You left out whole words for christ sake. If you don't know...bitch is the same thing as biotch it's just pronounced like it's spelled, sorry if that's too hard for you to understand.

WoW is PSO's AND PSU's BITCH. Happy?



You're too biased. I appreciate your enthusiasm but you need to take off the filtered sunglasses for a little bit.

NORMAL gamers don't give a rat's ass about the developer/publisher of the game. They remember the name of the game itself.

Warcraft is arguably the most popular real-time strategy game ever. The development of the game is naturalized (from an american-based company), so the art style and writing both are naturalized as well, allowing for more americans to get into the game. Personally, I at least tolerate if not enjoy the japanese anime touch on most video games, but some people don't care for it one bit. Phantasy Star is a japanese-made, anime-influenced semi-known RPG with a sizeable cult following, at best.

Go figure which one's going to be more popular. I'm not a fan of either Warcraft OR Phantasy Star, like I said before, but it's plain fanboy blindness to not see the massively popular Warcraft series for what it is.

It has nothing to do with how people see the developer. It's all franchise loyalty and naturalization.

[Cigaro]

On 2006-10-26 21:38, Datearian wrote:

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?


It's possible, but sadly, unlikely. There's too many uber nerd ass fanboy WoW people out there that don't know their own roots.



It's not even remotely fucking possible.

I like Sega too, but lets get our head out of the clouds, hmm? It'll never happen, and that's a GOOD thing. The last thing we need is a bunch of idiots ruining PSU like they ruined WoW. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Zio]

On 2006-10-26 21:41, Cigaro wrote:

It's not even remotely fucking possible.



Many whelps! Handle it!

I'm an avid WoW player, who is in a major end-game raiding guild and that game is a really big time sink. WoW is definitely fun, but I'm ready to sink my teeth into some more phantasy star action. Will PSU have as big a community? Probably not. WoW is more widely known, and has a larger playerbase.

[Datearian]

I'm not wearing any sunglasses. I know WoW is more popular. Only because it's cult is more full. And we're in America.
I honestly can't stand the fans of WoW, they're the most annoying worthless gamers out their.
I have not met one decent person that plays WoW. They all run around using in-game terms to insult people then they turn their backs snorting and pushing there 2 inch thick glasses up off the tip of their nose.
WoW is more of cult than PSO without a doubt. But you're right, it is because WoW is an american made game, that's what's wrong with it. The Japanese invented video games. People need to pay homage!

I'm going to bed, goodnight.

[Datearian]

On 2006-10-26 21:41, Cigaro wrote:

On 2006-10-26 21:38, Datearian wrote:

On 2006-10-26 20:22, RZetlin wrote:
I think people misunderstood my original post.

I am not comparing PSU to WoW.

I am wondering whether or not PSU would reach the same gaming popularity as WoW?


It's possible, but sadly, unlikely. There's too many uber nerd ass fanboy WoW people out there that don't know their own roots.


The last thing we need is a bunch of idiots ruining PSU like they ruined WoW. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

That's the only thing I'll agree with you on (WoW was already ruined before it started though, stupid americans). But honestly if enough people talk about PSU, it'll spread. That's how popularity works. Through the masses and media. Let's just hope the loyal fans won't be so naive as to let it grow to that point.

[Cigaro]

On 2006-10-26 21:53, Datearian wrote:
I'm not wearing any sunglasses. I know WoW is more popular. Only because it's cult is more full. And we're in America.
I honestly can't stand the fans of WoW, they're the most annoying worthless gamers out their.
I have not met one decent person that plays WoW. They all run around using in-game terms to insult people then they turn their backs snorting and pushing there 2 inch thick glasses up off the tip of their nose.
WoW is more of cult than PSO without a doubt. But you're right, it is because WoW is an american made game, that's what's wrong with it. The Japanese invented video games. People need to pay homage!

I'm going to bed, goodnight.



No they didn't. Americans pretty much invented video games with the tic-tac-toe simulator and "Spacewar!", not to mention Pong. Learn YOUR roots.

Can't you see your own bias? Yes, I dislike WoW fanboys just as much as you, and yes, I like Sega a lot as well, but I see such blatant one-sidedness in ANYTHING as disgusting. The Warcraft storyline is actually EXTREMELY well-written and beats the fuck out of Phantasy Star with a 20-inch throbbing cock of win, but Phantasy Star Universe has a million times better gameplay. WoW is just clickclickclcikckcikccilicliklkciclcikkclikklcikcl ikcCARPALTUNNELOHGOD compared to PSU's way more fun action-based gameplay, but PSU's universe is tiny and silly in comparison to how well everything is fleshed out in WoW.

Everything in existence has two sides to it. Once you lose the ability to see both sides at the same time, you fail to be human.

EDIT: from reading your posts, I've deduced that you're a japanophile. It's NOT the best country in the world, you know.

Look at the Yakuza.

Also, kiddie porn was legal there until 1999.

But still, I can't knock you for what you like. Just realize that your opinion is very much in the minority.

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[VanHalen]

why does everyone hate WoW well orcs, and elves are dumb names to me Newmans are not elves like kids in my class say there...well i heard there cats on phantasystarwiki. yeah WoW is are biggest enemy but i think Phantasy Star and WoW both have its goods and bads

[BrandonBa2]

I hate WoW because it's promoted as a casual game till level 60 then just hits you with the lamest timesink of an endgame.

[Oyako]

I left WoW for PSU (sort of) ................. no more Ony raids.....................

[Legenden]

I never started playing WOW as I was more into Everquest2, but from what I have seen I am sure it has its similarities.

I think PSU over time will be able to at least get noticed as a good alternative to other mmorpg`s because most mmorpg`s are very similar and PSU is much more original than other mmorpg`s in about every way I can possibly think about.

The thing I can not stand about most mmorpgs are all the grinding of totally unchallenging mobs (they gave the good exp), camping “bosses” for 40hrs for extremely rare items, crafting witch can be 1/2 the gameplay, all these things you have to do or else your char suck and no one wants to play with you..
And on top of that when you finally manage to get a good character, your guild will force you to go on raid with them, witch should be a good thing, if it where not for the fact that every raid takes 6-8 hrs and you have to do them 3-6 days every week,.. really I never felt happy playing EQ2 after the first 20 lvls witch actually where fun (things where a bit faster then).
PSU will be much more fun because more challenging mobs actually give more exp, bosses don`t need to be camped, crafting just can`t possibly be that bad or at least it is not a requirement to be able to afford some basic weapons and armors..

[eselv73]

WoW is making over 800 million a year. End of discussion.

[Ryoga4523]

Ouch.. but money is not everything. I did play WoW, adn actually enjoyed it up to around level 40. A piece of me still likes it, but I cannot forget the game that made me fall in love with only gaming, PSO:)... I liked both games, and PSO/PSU will never have the player base as WoW, mainly because it lacks the content and story plot. A lot of people play WoW for the role play aspect, and the whole I am Lord of the knights of destruction (or some other dumb guild name). I for one do not have 4-9 hours to devote to a F'ing video game in one sitting (Granted I am going to try my best this sat. with PSU ^_- ). They both have good and bad things about them, but any game that can attract so many people with only have basically four different levels, and only four bosses, has to be AWESOME. IMO PSO/PSU is better because it had/has so little content, and yet people get addicted to it like freakin cocaine.

[daylight129]

It's really not even a fair fight. World Of Warcraft has a bigger foot to stand on at this point. In my personaly opinion it is the Blizzard tag. Not that the SEGA tag throws people off, but Blizzard is very well known for throwing out the most addictive games known to man, playing online as well.

[Ryogen]

Why did you compare this to WoW without giving a decent explination why. At least a paragraph.

[Legenden]

It would be close to pointless to write anything about how good PSU will do in popularity compared to WOW without mentioning what we like/dislike about the game.
We compare PSU popularity to WOW simply becouse WOW is the most popular mmorpg at the moment (PSU might not be a pure mmorpg but it`s close enough).

[Reeve]

gotta admit i love all these silly phantasy star fanboys dissing world of warcraft

its like people who used to dislike microsoft, when something gets so big people think its 'cool' to diss it

please can you just grow up, world of warcraft got popular for a reason i played the game for 18 months and i enjoyed it

[Callous]

On 2006-10-26 20:29, Cigaro wrote:
Not in a million years, and thank god for that.

That sums up my view on it, too.

[xTATANTULAx]

I don't like where this thread is going...

*Runs away crying*

[Schubalts]

People, people... I think the OP was talking about popularity, not the quality of the games or anything like that....

[Agrias]

Oh nevermind.

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[AngelLight]

wow....just wow.

I'm amazed how rabid this forum is getting. I remember PSOW way way back and while It's had it's moments, it's really hitting it's pinicle here and now sadly.

Lets put all the fanboyism aside for a moment and talk rationally here for a sec. Phantasy Star started off of the SEGA master system. Warcraft started off of PCs and (shortly after) MACs. Now, compare how many people had master systems when PS came out to how many people had any type of personal computer. It's no contest. Blizz automatically started with a much larger (by far) potential clientile then Sega ever would have. Additionally, sega didn't really start to get popular till the Genesis came out (due to things like the Colecovision, Nintendo's (at the time) jugernaut of advertising and marketing, and other associated issues) which means that most people dont even think about the very first PS game as their first PS experience (PSII was wildly more popular then PSI ever was). Now, you look at blizz, what competition did they have? Sierra, who at the time was huge, but now got absorbed while they were dying by the same company that partnered up with them, Virendi.....Westwood, they're still around sort of but they lost alot of marketshare......Monolith? They were nobodies when WC first came out and they had their shot at 15 mins of fame (with Rage Of Mages and those sequels) and while they did do well, they were too little too late to take on Blizz.

Blizz had it alot easier to get the publicity they enjoy now then any opportunity Sega would ever have (note this is on games (PS vs. WC), not game systems since Sega did get popular with their hardware and their mascot abilities (a.k.a. Sonic)). However, lets give props where props are due....blizz had really talented writers, really talented programmers, and on the ball marketing. Additionally they had focus (since blizz wasn't in hardware). Now if anyone is familar with WoW at all you'd know already that there's a big Lore problem going on in WC in general now (I mean come on, they gave the alliance.....Space Aliens as the new race !?!?! come on WTF is up with that, they might as well threw in all the starcraft races at that point). This is cause they're trying to keep it dynamic to the marketability of an MMO, and they're making mistakes (so one must question where all of those talented writers went in the first place).

Now look at Sega.....PSII and PSIV were easily the pinicle of writing for PS in general. Hell, they even inspired a strong Fan Fic community (blizz has it too, but compare the Fan Fic for WC vs. the Fan Fic for PS, there's this wierd slant for creativity heavily in PS's favor)....then they came out with PSO, which was a major reset in Lore. One has to assume that this was cause they had different staff (not 100% but at least some) at the time and they had to do such a thing. However, they were still able to keep it in such a way that it kept people guessing if it was connected or not, they were still in touch with the community enough to keep the "Theory Star" guessing going. Additionally, they were the very first Console online game (I'll save the MMO debate for another time) of it's kind ever. That was a huge step for them and consoles in general.....now look at it.....now there's online console games everywhere (and FFXI is marching forward all over consoles even though the game itself is very flawed and approached extinction on several occasions). Honestly, you can chalk it up Sega who opened that door. They did the right thing (even though the gameplay on PSO was simplistic). But then they got lazy.....they didn't really release a true sequel forever...instead opting for psudo-expansions and even then on different platforms.....and then they took a stab at card games (with PSO Ep.3).....so of course it was going to dwindle down to just a cult following. The things they were doing made it (the community) what it is now. Then you add in all the mistakes they made on security (plus signing up INCA to handle it for them later on was a huge mistake...they have one of the worst records out there) plus the obvious focus on the Japanese market (no one likes to think of themselves as second in line....while I can appreciate that SEGA is focusing on their home market, not doing a full setup with everything that is already out on JP servers is another huge mistake.....it's going to bore other markets who are not PS fans to the point of not playing which will cut into sales and that isn't what sega needs right now since they're having issues in the first place anyways)

SEGA will stick around for a while cause they're promoting it heavily in Japan and that will be their major market share.....but anywhere else, it's going to be brushed aside to not only WoW....but to games like NWN, GW, CoH, Richard Garrott's new project Tabusa Rasa, and every new kid on the block coming out now. Sega just isn't focused on making the community bigger....and one must wonder why.

On the other hand, with Burning Crusade being delayed for as long as it is now, that isn't going to help Blizz at all.....Honestly, they're opening themselves up to be bumped off by a "Home Run" of a new MMO, should one come about. But it's not going to be SEGA that does it.

That's the bottom line. This will never beat WoW, ever....but Sega prolly doesn't care. but comments like "I hate WoW people cause their community sucks and they're all stupid" or "FFXI ppl are the worst we dont want them" is just stupid....it's those people who will eventually be the same ones that get referred to by some other community's forums as "no good waste of space people"

Future Huxley Forum Post:
User 1: "I've just come over from PSU and I'm looking forward to having fun here with this community"
User 2: "OMG PSU, that's the SUXXOR, They all suck, we dont want you here with us!!!11!!!11"

Yep, that will be us one day. Try to remember that next time you want to bash on people coming over from other games. (the same is true for people who hate americans cause they dont like them on their games....where you're from has no bearing on if you're hacking a game, if you're a griefer, etc.)

[eselv73]

On 2006-10-27 00:01, Ryoga4523 wrote:
Ouch.. but money is not everything.

Well, we're comparing the popularity... and that profit isn't coming from no where. WoW is the most popular MMORPG of all time and PSU will never dethrone it. But I'm sure Sega never intended to directly compete with WoW either.