Human's worthless?

[Kimil]

Is the Human race a useless race in PSU? I mean, they don't exel at anything, they are just well rounded. Is being well rounded helpful in any way?
I know they make a mor durrable Force then Newmans, but less powerful
More resistant to Magic then Cast Rangers, but worse ATP, DFP, AND ATA which are more important then MST
More accurate then Beast Hunters, but weaker in the fundamental Hunters Stats plus no Nano Blast (not to mention attacking from behing nullifies low ATA anyways)
Cast>Human in Figunner Too

The only classes I can think of they be above average at would be Guntecker and Wartecker and maybe Protranser?


What are Humans actually good for? Is it just not worth worth making a human?

[Silver_Wyrm]

humans have style and claire weapons

[EC_Subbie]

They make the best hybrid classes since they're not poor in any category, but can do a little of each. For example.. if a Cast Ranger wanted to go Guntecher instead of Fortegunner he'd have the gun part covered of course, but he'd be teh suck at the magic part. A Hu would just be good in both, but not excelling in either. That's how I understand it.


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[Garasu]

I say Human is good for the mixed classes, like Hunter-Force(dont know the names..) because they are well rounded...a Newman hunter-force would be ok..but it would suck at meele...A beast Ranger-hunter...less acuracy..?A Cast Ranger-Force..just doesnt sound right, terrible magic...so..I guess, Humans are kinda in the middle..

[HiKeRI]

Humans are just balanced, jack-of-all-trades all what matters is how well you play it

[DreamLocke]

Maybe in time they will add human-only equipment, PA's or something else later...

[Niki]

The only race I'd play other than Beast is Human, as their balanced statistics provide more viable expert class options, and that little thing about the other two races being rather...evil.

Another note: attacking from behind does not completely nullify low ATA, just makes it a lot harder to miss.

Seriously though, I think Humans are the hidden gem of this game. If I had time for an alt, that's what I'd pick. Prolly go Guntecher or Protranser too.

[Angelraziel]

i guess humans are kinda uselss in PSU.... If i were to make a pt and had my choice i would get races that are awesome in that area. Human arent awesome at nuttin but being average.In their defense from playin my beast hunter and my human hunter to compare, my human hunter's stas grew greater when his hunter lv raised than my beast did.My beast's charater lv made his stats grew greater,but when his hunter lv raised i didnt see as big a dif as with my human.He still doesnt compare to my beast but thats summin to think about i guess.

[Garnet_Moon]

Humans are worthless because they don't have metal ears, no furry ears and no awesome elongated elf ears.

Humans are bo-ring. Humans suck.

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[Miller]

On 2006-10-28 16:43, Silver_Wyrm wrote:
humans have style and claire weapons

[Garasu]

You can buy Cat Ears at the make over place..!(cosplay anyone..?)

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2006-10-28 16:53, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Humans are worthless because they don't have metal ears, no furry ears and no awesome elongated elf ears.

Humans are bo-ring. Humans suck.

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although I don't really agree with humans being boring, I would consider this the only valid reason to not like humans.

[KirinDave]

In games with hybrid classes and the ability to reselect your class over time, the "well-rounded" character races almost always are a better choice in the long run. A human can feasibly be quite good at every class, whereas race choices limit you. My Newman will never be a great Hunter, for example.

[Thrash777]

There will be something to balance out appeal between all the races... you'll see...

It's rumoured that these "Claire weapons" that only humans can use, are quite decent... and as for newmans... who knows, only time will tell...

[UltimateCarl]

On 2006-10-28 17:44, KirinDave wrote:
A human can feasibly be quite good at every class, whereas race choices limit you. My Newman will never be a great Hunter, for example.



On the other hand, your Human will never be VERY good at every class. Your Newman will never be a _great_ Hunter, but they will be a great Force. Your Human will never be a _great_ Hunter OR Force.

People always use the balance or variety as the reason Humans are still good, but to be honest I don't buy it. Sure you can be decent at any job you choose, but you'll never be the best at a single one. Even with Hybrid classes, I can think of a statistically superior alternative in every case. Even the "balanced" Protransers would be better off as a Cast or Beast than a Human, since they can't use Techs.

But, that's my opinion. Really it boils down to what you like to play! Humans may never be the best at any one class, but they're certainly workable as anything! If you're a good enough player, it honestly doesn't matter.

Besides, it's a GAME. It's supposed to be fun, right? If you can't play the character you want, how fun is that? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[SeAm-NiNjA]

Humans are probably the best race in psu, casts are way too overplayed, newmans arent very good with any thing but magic, and beasts are slow and furious bum rushers who couldent shoot a glass bottle 3 feet away from it

dont get me wrong i dont hate the other classes im just saying that while one class succeeds in one profession he hugely down falls in another, witch makes fully succesfull combos fail and psu's NEW "being able to change your class" pretty useless
and if there was no humans it would creat a ton of noobs who picks this game up dosnt look at any info on this game and goes online and says
"wow i think im going to make a robot who can cast magic leetzors ownage i will own you all"
witch isn very good for the comunity when you see a wave of blind beast rangers coming at you with abosluty no idea what there doing
so to put it in really shorter words without humans this game would fall apart
just face it humans are the backbone of this game
why do you think ethan is one??? huh

[Ryogen]

Humans are balanced. Don't think that just becuase Beast and Cast have somthing speical and Newman is magic dosen't mean that Humans are weak. Beast, Cast and Newmans have flaws.

[Grand_Rider]

No, I don’t believe Humans are “useless”. Far from it; though they don’t excel in any field they’re also neither significantly deficient in any role either, a trait that no other race can attest to without the use of additional equipment and/or technics.

Humans are "dynamic" while Beasts, Casts and Newmans each have a glaring weakness. Really, it’s a matter of perspective whether you place more weight in being competent in all fields or specialising in a few with the associated consequences.

Then there are the aesthetic qualities; long or furry ears and cat eyes, while slick in and of themselves aren’t everyone’s bag...

You could say it's “Style over substance” perhaps, I call it taste.

[AlphaMinotaux]

Since my other thread was ingored and it is about humans ill post it here.

Was i stupid to make a Human Hunter and eventually Fortefighter? I Know i don't want to be any other class as my main. im lvl 16 now and after seeing some SUV and Nano-blasts Cast and Beast look much more appealing. Not to mention casts beat human in every stat for Hunter except evasion, likewise with beast but less accuracy. Should i reroll? im only 16 so its not big of a loss.

[PJ]

Humans are probably the best class in the game

They RA better than Newman and Beast
They FO better than Cast and Beast
They do mixed classes better than every other class

Just because they don't do any one class better than the best of that group, doesn't make them worthless.

[Angelraziel]

Ethan is gay i saw himon VH1 with dennis Rodman. Anyway, only thing i see humans being good at is pullin off melee + mage class combos. i Mean seriously in PSO did u nuke with ur Humar.... hell no u didnt so stop with this balanced crap. Humans (only in PSU) are garbage the end. I've never heard of "average" meanin i'm the best... think about it. thank you good nite!

[Angelraziel]

Ethan is gay i saw himon VH1 with dennis Rodman. Anyway, only thing i see humans being good at is pullin off melee + mage class combos. i Mean seriously in PSO did u nuke with ur Humar.... hell no u didnt so stop with this balanced crap. Humans (only in PSU) are garbage the end. I've never heard of "average" meanin i'm the best... think about it. thank you good nite!

[Angelraziel]

Ethan is gay i saw himon VH1 with dennis Rodman. Anyway, only thing i see humans being good at is pullin off melee + mage class combos. i Mean seriously in PSO did u nuke with ur Humar.... hell no u didnt so stop with this balanced crap. Humans (only in PSU) are garbage the end. I've never heard of "average" meanin i'm the best... think about it. thank you good nite!

[TheStoicOne]

But I have to be the best at something Jim, or I can't sleep at night http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[UltimateCarl]

If you think you would have more fun as a Beast or Cast, then go ahead and reroll, but you don't have to. It's not like you're gimped, you can still kill things just as fine as a Human Hunter, and if you've got skillz then it doesn't matter. No, you won't be as effective at it as a Cast or Beast, but you don't suck and it's not like anyone's going to make fun of you for it.

If you like your Human, keep it. But, y'know, don't discount the other races. At least give them a test run if you think you'd have more fun as one.

(Also, do I smell a One Piece fan?)

[entropyboy]

the average race is always overlooked by people in games.

but especially in ones where you have the freedom to change classes, they have the greatest advantage due to their balanced stats.

if you only plan on playing 1 type of class, specialization with a specific race is good, but having more balanced options with humans makes them good. unless you like to play characters that are a challenge or not run-of-the-mill.

[UltimateCarl]

I don't think being able to switch classes and being decent at any one of them makes a good character. After all, you can only play one class at once, and even with the mixed classes, you can only do one type of attack at once. So even for the mixed classes, whichever type of attack that does the most damage is the one you're gonna do the most often.

Not that that means Humans suck, because they don't, they're just... Well, not as good.

Play what you want, have fun. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[AlphaMinotaux]

One piece fan. This weeks chapter of one piece Manga is GOD. We find out who Luffy's father is! and the week before we found out who Luffy's Grandfather is. these 2 past weeks of one piece are setting up for a very promising future arc.

[Beck]

Im a human cause im tired of all the furries and metal heads in the game.

[UltimateCarl]

(I just want the anime to hurry up and get to where the manga is! The CP9 fights were SO COOL.

Anyway, sorry, I'll stop hijacking the thread, now. XD OP is just awesome enough that it can do things like that.)

[Kasey]

Humans will make the best Experters

[Wallin]

Humans are the only race that can wield Claire weapons.

There, that's all you need to know you kick @$$.

[Saner]

Humans are not useless.

a useless race is someone who can't do anything at all.

just because other races can do things better than Humans does not make Humans obsolete.


people who call Humans useless just have an inferiority complex because Casts and Beasts are overall better. and Newmans are better Forces. but Humans can still slay all the monsters in any mission.

just like the other races, Humans can solo any mission if need be, so they have what it takes to survive, slay enemies and even help in a team.

And that fact proves THEY ARE NOT USELESS.

SO THERE. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[BooChan]

I feel in the long run its good that humans are the minority online considering how in story mode they are a minority as well. Humans face discrimination from CASTs alot during Story Mode. Humans created the othe 3 races as well. So from an overall stand point the other races were created to perfect what humans cound not.Beasts for strength and endurance,Casts for miltary and work purposes,Newmans for their their high intellect and using technics. Humans pretty much gave birth to the other races in the game. So bashing on humans is like hating on your creator for allowing you to exist. Sure in story mode the 3 races were at war for like 3 or 5 hundred yrs but now there is peace. Lets leave it at that. JUst putting things into perspective.

[Randomness]

Newmans are PERFECTLY capable of being anything that lets them use techs. NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE NUKE...

[Mikaga]

First of all I'd like to say that Humans have one very distinct advantage over other classes - They get Hyuga as their partner! NOTHING can compare to that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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Protransers are a non-argument in favour of Beasts and Casts. There are no techs involved, and they get Nanoblast/SUV.

Similarly, I get the idea Casts would make for better Guntechers simply because the tech limit is 10 and Guntechers can use all guns except the grenade launcher so the emphasis is clearly on shooting and using support techs, which are unaffected by lousy TP.

The three specialised classes are clearly the forte of the three specialised races.

Which leaves a possibility of Humans being best at... Fighgunner and Wartecher.

Not terribly sure about Fighgunner. I don't believe I've seen or read enough to anticipate how this class is expected to play, including how much melee and firearms use is involved. It might be the case that Humans with their balance of ATP and ATA make the best Fighgunners, or it might be that the classes are flexible and Beasts (With more ATP and Nanoblasts) and Casts (with more ATA and SUVs) are more suited to the job than Humans.

Wartecher, however, probably goes straight to Humans. The tech level cap is 20 so there is easily room for extended tech usage, probably more so than fighting. That said, there's definitely scope for fighting in there as well. As the only class with anything resembling a mix of balance between physical and magical, humans are more suited to multitasking than the strength classes (which would suffer on the magic side unless they were a support Wartecher...) or Newmans (which would suffer in the melee department).

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I know people talk about Humans being unable to suck no matter what the job, but how many of you seriously think that'll matter? You only need to be one job. That said, even if people do decide to switch, the other three races still have options which they could be considered the best race (or at least "non-gimped") for.

In fact, there are very few jobs each race has that they are definitely "Worse than Humans" for:

Beast: Fortecher, Guntecher.
Cast: Fortecher, arguably Wartecher.
Newman: Fortefighter, Fighgunner, Protranser.

Which isn't that impressive a list, when you think about it. Why sacrifice proficiency at your desired job/s for not sucking in ALL SEVEN jobs when the other races are more than passable in 4~6 jobs anyway?

The only reason I can see for it is if you strangely wanted one character to be both Fortecher and Protranser.

Thus I do believe that Humans really get the short end of the stick, race-wise, unless their attack animations/patterns are more than favourable.

Hence my belief that there's more in store for Humans than what we know.

[lostinseganet]

So which ones is the force-melee and force-ranger again?

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2006-10-28 19:02, Wallin wrote:
Humans are the only race that can wield Claire weapons.

There, that's all you need to know you kick @$$.



Newmans can use them too, but they're not as strong as humans anyway.

[Sexy_Raine]

At first I thought humans would be boring, and no point for using them them because they don't excel at anything. But, since expert classes were revealed, I I've change my opinion on them. They are the only race that I honestly wouldn't mind using any class combination, it's safe to choose whatever you want. Now with a newman, why the hell would I mix my force class with a hunter's when my magic is far superior? For variety? Give me a friggin' break, that's such a lame ass excuse for it. I only go for damage, and I don't see the point of mixing classes if there's no damage advantage over the primary one. Now with humans, it doesn't matter I won't overlook another because of damage.

So my answer is humans definately not useless. They may not excel at anything like other races, but they have no weaknesses to stop you wanting to mix classes.

I think I'll try a human ranger, they seem interesting.

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[Shiro_Ryuu]

now that I think about it, whenever I was a HUmar or a HUnewearl in PSO, there was almost always a Force online who would do the healing so I wouldn't have to Resta myself all the time as well as do Shifta and Deband in levels which the HUnewearl can't, so it nullifies the need for magic which is the advantage that the fleshies had over Casts. In this case, the HUcast and HUcaseal may have been better but I still kept to the HUmar and HUnewearl because I like them better, and I never really died too much unless I went to a ridiculously tough place that was too much for my level at the time.

[Sorenia]

Claire weapons? I didn't see anything listed like that on char creation. I'm going to be irritated if humans get some neat and interesting weapons that only they can use. I would of quickly picked a human if I knew about something like that. All the other "race only" stuff looked boring so I just picked a CAST for looks.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

there's no reason to be irritated. CASTs have SUVs and Beasts have Nanoblasts, Humans and Newmans need something going for them if they're gonna be Hunters, not everyone wants to be those 2 races only to be a Force or something with Force in it. Its great that there are Human and Newman only Hunter weapons because it adds at least some balance to it.

[Killuminati]

On 2006-10-28 16:41, Kimil wrote:
Is the Human race a useless race in PSU? I mean, they don't exel at anything, they are just well rounded. Is being well rounded helpful in any way?
I know they make a mor durrable Force then Newmans, but less powerful
More resistant to Magic then Cast Rangers, but worse ATP, DFP, AND ATA which are more important then MST
More accurate then Beast Hunters, but weaker in the fundamental Hunters Stats plus no Nano Blast (not to mention attacking from behing nullifies low ATA anyways)
Cast>Human in Figunner Too

The only classes I can think of they be above average at would be Guntecker and Wartecker and maybe Protranser?


What are Humans actually good for? Is it just not worth worth making a human?




One thing i don't like about this that past pso had is the ability to use techs. Human hunter use to be the best all around class but without techs im not so sure they are the best anymore considering how close they have to get to fight and take alot of damage. I miss casting healing magic on myself I don't like depending on fos to do this when I run out of mates.

[ShynForce]

I picked a cast cus my fav hunter in PSO was hucast i had a lv167hucast on xbox pso Hunewearl was great also can solo the whole game by herself but anyways.

I have nothing against the human race when i read up on all the info on classes and such with this game i knew what i wanted im gonna want to be a cast hunter, as for expert class i plan on being a figunner because i like the speed weapons more. Since i know i like hunter the most i can switch to fortefighter if i wanted i can also become a fortegunner if i wanted some ranger action since i did have a ramarl in pso.

Humans are cool they probably get some unique stuff like PA only they can use etc but i went cast cus i know im gonna want to be a figunner and figunner only and if i get bored of it i can just switch to fortefighter. Now if i want a force i will just make a newman simple as that.

[DizzyDi]

On 2006-10-29 05:54, Sorenia wrote:
Claire weapons? I didn't see anything listed like that on char creation. I'm going to be irritated if humans get some neat and interesting weapons that only they can use. I would of quickly picked a human if I knew about something like that. All the other "race only" stuff looked boring so I just picked a CAST for looks.



Claire weapons are weapons that have a longer range and some other specialty I can't remember. Do a forum search for them.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

they can also hit 2 targets, claire swords(big swords) can attack 4 as opposed to the 3 of the normal swords.