View Full Version : Announcement to Would-Be Ep. 1 & 2 Cheaters
Wakazashi-HUcast
11-17-2002, 04:09 PM
I know that a lot of you out there are waiting to cheat in PSO Ep. 1 & 2. I don't care what your reason is, it doesn't really matter. I have a suggestion to you though: Go out right now, to Babbages, GameStop, EB, or wherever, and buy Diablo II for the PC, w/ or w/o the LoD expansion. Then, take it home, install it, and go online and download all the hacks and cracks and cheats and utilities and whatever else you want, and go on B.Net. Once you have done this, you can strive to become the most skilled cheater ever in the most corrupt online community known to man. Sounds fun, eh? Certainly more fun than just entering codes that you read online into a GameShark...
DJ_Monkey
11-17-2002, 08:28 PM
Considering that there is no GameShart/Xploder/CodeBreaker coming out for the GC, please go ruin Diablo. That game is beyond help, anyways.
Wakazashi-HUcast
11-17-2002, 08:34 PM
Actually, I'm pretty sure that GameShark or something of the like will come to GC. But that's not my point. One way or another, cheating will come to GC; I'm assuming that gamers will eventually be CAPABLE of cheating on PSO Ep. 1 & 2. I'm just requesting that they take their business somewhere else.
TeamPhalanx
11-18-2002, 10:20 AM
It's a question of how bad and when, not if. I suspect that cheating will be bad as it was on the DC versions, at least in terms of items; I doubt you'll see pk/ck/NOL, etc. this time around.
Check out gameshark's web page. They have pics of Gamecube gameshark in action for games such as Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, and Resident Evil.
RagMasterRappy
11-18-2002, 10:28 AM
On 2002-11-18 08:20, TeamPhalanx wrote:
It's a question of how bad and when, not if. I suspect that cheating will be bad as it was on the DC versions, at least in terms of items; I doubt you'll see pk/ck/NOL, etc. this time around.
Check out gameshark's web page. They have pics of Gamecube gameshark in action for games such as Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, and Resident Evil.
They might have been able to develop it, but that doesn't mean that Nintendo will let them publish it.
TeamPhalanx
11-18-2002, 10:31 AM
Nintendo can't stop them. The only things they can do is do what SONY did to Bleem - That is, tell stores that if they carry gameshark, they cannot carry GC items as well.
Way back when the first cheat device was released (Game Genie) Nintendo took the manufacturer to court, trying to prevent its release - They failed, and there haven't been any legal challenges since then.
RedFox
11-18-2002, 12:54 PM
hmmmm... doesnt look promising now does it?
RagMasterRappy
11-18-2002, 01:22 PM
On 2002-11-18 08:31, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Nintendo can't stop them. The only things they can do is do what SONY did to Bleem - That is, tell stores that if they carry gameshark, they cannot carry GC items as well.
Way back when the first cheat device was released (Game Genie) Nintendo took the manufacturer to court, trying to prevent its release - They failed, and there haven't been any legal challenges since then.
Well, the biggest difference with the GameCube hardware and everything else is that it uses a non standard reading device. (Someone already talked about this somewhere else.)
With Bleem, the Dreamcast can boot regular CD-Rs if you know how to do it right. Sony could not stop them from using the CD-R discs even if they wanted to be asses and try to claim that they own all of the rights to the format.
And about the GameGenie. It's really easy for a hardware manufacturer to make a PCB with some EPROMs on it.
The thing about the GameCube's disc, as I have read, is that for one thing it's a special format (duh.) It's not just a cut down DVD because I have seen elsewhere (http://www.gamesx.com/misctech/gamecube.htm) that there's some sort of added copy protection mechanism (sorta similiar to the idea Nintendo had with the lockout chip for the NES.) Panasonic apparently worked with Nintendo to create the disc format that the GameCube uses, and also, Panasonic will not give unlicensed developers hardware needed to make the discs, and I have a feeling that Nintendo isn't going to be happy with Interact if they try to license their product.
Nuriyan
11-18-2002, 05:58 PM
On 2002-11-18 08:20, TeamPhalanx wrote:
It's a question of how bad and when, not if. I suspect that cheating will be bad as it was on the DC versions, at least in terms of items; I doubt you'll see pk/ck/NOL, etc. this time around.
Check out gameshark's web page. They have pics of Gamecube gameshark in action for games such as Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, and Resident Evil.
And you call yourself the last legit?lmao
On 2002-11-18 15:58, Nuriyan wrote:
And you call yourself the last legit?lmao
So, you're saying legits are delusional into believing that cheating won't ever exist?
TeamPhalanx
11-18-2002, 07:27 PM
If anything, we legits are most aware of the realities of cheating. Those that believe that cheating won't happen are simply ignorant. If a device makes it possible people will do it - Just look at the people now losing their items because someone says they'll dupe it.
I doubt the disc issue will hold. For one, Nintendo has a chance of profiting by licensing the product. Secondly, even if they don't give the official green light, all a 3rd party would have to do is pay the royalties for using the format.
RagMasterRappy
11-19-2002, 11:06 AM
On 2002-11-18 17:27, TeamPhalanx wrote:
I doubt the disc issue will hold. For one, Nintendo has a chance of profiting by licensing the product. Secondly, even if they don't give the official green light, all a 3rd party would have to do is pay the royalties for using the format.
Maybe, but Nintendo or someone holds a patent to the disc format. And that's their intellectual property for them to protect.
If I'm right, Matsushita(sp?) own all rights to the custom optical discs that the GameCube uses, and the GameCube can only read one type of media(according to information from another thread in here I recently read). If this is all true, then the only way a company could make un-licensed software for the GameCube would only be to use a DVD disc. This would only work on the Panasonic version of the GameCube, that DVD/GameCube Combo. Would Interact and whoever else make their un-licensed software ONLY for that piece of hardware? Bear in mine that this wouldn't be for such a big market, since the Qube doesn't sell as much as the GameCube(I'm guessing, but I'd say it's a good guess). Would they even profit?
I know Nintendo could cave in and grant them the rights to produce software for their console, but would Nintendo rather take the money - however much that may be - rather than keep customers happy with a cheat-free console?
TeamPhalanx
11-19-2002, 03:38 PM
That's the thing, the consumers want a cheat device, and odds are that Nintendo would give them the green light.
If your consumers want something, and you can profit off of it, wouldn't you go with it? Gameshark and other cheat devices have sold quite well on virutally all systems, and only a very small percentage aren't too happy that they exist.
I mean, let's face it, not too many PSO players were all that concerned with cheating in DC PSO - Or just other games. It's a sad thing really; you hear a LOT of people saying "NO!" to cheating now... where were all these people during DC PSO, and where will they be once cheating is possible on GC PSO?
On 2002-11-19 13:38, TeamPhalanx wrote:
If your consumers want something, and you can profit off of it, wouldn't you go with it? Gameshark and other cheat devices have sold quite well on virutally all systems, and only a very small percentage aren't too happy that they exist.
Agree with you there. Not many would throw away money that easily, unless given a right reason to do so. It all depends on Nintendo's stance on anti-cheating.
On 2002-11-19 13:38, TeamPhalanx wrote:
I mean, let's face it, not too many PSO players were all that concerned with cheating in DC PSO - Or just other games. It's a sad thing really; you hear a LOT of people saying "NO!" to cheating now... where were all these people during DC PSO, and where will they be once cheating is possible on GC PSO?
That's because most of them didn't know the difference between playing legit and cheating. The majority of them believed that using a spread needle that kills anything in under 2 hits was legit. As long as they leveled up, they believed they were legit. Where they'll be once cheating is amass on the GC? Why ask, just go look at the Japanese version and see the masses of cheaters on there. This kind of hypocrisy reminds me of certain governments and their stance on weaponry. Anyway, enough with politics, I don't want to compare video games to the governments.
I cheated on the DC, I admit it and don't regret it either. Why? because I stayed completely legit on some of my characters. Whoever does cheat, and doesn't admit, are sad people, really. Those are the kind of people that cheat to "look better" in front of their friends, or complete strangers. Why they'd want to impress complete strangers beats me.
BIO-SLASH
11-20-2002, 12:27 PM
A plea to the cheaters: Please don't! Do you want our wonderful world to be turned into the like of a Diablo? It's horrible.
RagMasterRappy
11-20-2002, 12:47 PM
No point in reasoning with them. It hasn't worked yet. Cheaters can be real asses sometimes, though, they seem to act like they always have the right to get what they want.
Wakazashi-HUcast
11-20-2002, 06:47 PM
Hey, don't pretend cheaters are immature 5-year-old's. I don't argue with what they do, onlt with where they do it. Who are you, and who is anyone, to decide what is right and what is wrong? What is your morality based on? Who invented morals? God? I'm founding my own religon: Shlapoopilism. My god, Shlapoopil, once said that cheating is OK. What's the difference? If we can't truthfully say that killing is wrong, how can we condemn cheating? Maybe this whole world is all some sick alien child's waking dream, and maybe some day it will all fade away as if it had never been... wow, that was deep...
On 2002-11-20 16:47, Wakazashi-HUcast wrote:
Hey, don't pretend cheaters are immature 5-year-old's. I don't argue with what they do, onlt with where they do it. Who are you, and who is anyone, to decide what is right and what is wrong? What is your morality based on? Who invented morals? God? I'm founding my own religon: Shlapoopilism. My god, Shlapoopil, once said that cheating is OK. What's the difference? If we can't truthfully say that killing is wrong, how can we condemn cheating? Maybe this whole world is all some sick alien child's waking dream, and maybe some day it will all fade away as if it had never been... wow, that was deep...
That was sad...
As for who decides whether it's right or wrong... Sonic Team. They made the game, they made the rules, they decide who plays.
Vic_Viper
11-21-2002, 09:34 PM
On 2002-11-18 08:20, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Check out gameshark's web page. They have pics of Gamecube gameshark in action for games such as Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, and Resident Evil.
This is a bit late for a quote on that, but I think it's important to inform:
The video of hacked Mario sunshine at Gameshark website surely was done with a hack on the system bus, or even a development version of the Cube. They load a trojan on the system memory, exploiting a other boot device (in the case of the Dreamcast, it was the modem expansion bus, as it DOES execute software from that port, provided it finds ROM with proper readers on it.), or booting a development test disc.
So what you saw was a trojan (the hidden part of the gameshark that gets loaded in the ram while you play your game). It means they figured out how to load it and hack in games on THEIR hacked (or develpoment) machine. Not that they will be able to mass produce discs with their hacking software that will boot in a standard Game Cube machine.
This makes me doubt that there will even be a Gameshark for Game Cube. Also the developer for the Free loader disc is the same company who programs the core of the Gameshark xite (Datel, a english software company that are arround since the Amiga era....) http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
Well ... That's it ... I hope that even if they get a way to make gamecube discs they get sued by Matsushita (Panasonic)
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