Gameshark in 22 days and we dont know if PSO is protected...

[RaXoR]

I originally thought it was going to be. But since gameshark was not out before PSO, Sega really had no idea how to prevent GS from working on PSO...at least I dont think. Even Barubary says he doesnt know if GS will work on PSO. That's a pretty scary thought coming from one of the most recognized reverse engineer's on PSO.

[googles]

i think it will be blocked...They blocked in on v2, GS cant be THAT mich different now..

[Dark-Hunter]

you know it would suck if people started cheating, i mean i worked for all the weapons i have and then some lv 1 person gets them in 10 sec's. CHEATING RUINS GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RaXoR]

In a way, like in a small small way im for cheating BUT NOT HARMFUL! Like color changing characters, shrinking characters (temporary of course), and all that kind of stuff in my mind is fun. When you take it to the extremes though of PK, CK, FSOD, and NOL, youve just gone too far.

[Foggy_Pete]

On 2002-11-20 13:56, googles wrote:
i think it will be blocked...They blocked in on v2, GS cant be THAT mich different now..



they blocked it...for about 3 days
cheaters are people who dont have enough skills to play the game right, i looked hard for all the rares ive found, and leveled up my characters for countless hours, and to be shown up by a cheater who is weak enough to thow away every aspect of challenge in the game deserves no respect from anyone. but when they start to ruin the game for other people, its nothing but an act of malice

[Barubary6]

On 2002-11-20 14:14, Foggy_Pete wrote:
they blocked it...for about 3 days
cheaters are people who dont have enough skills to play the game right, i looked hard for all the rares ive found, and leveled up my characters for countless hours, and to be shown up by a cheater who is weak enough to thow away every aspect of challenge in the game deserves no respect from anyone. but when they start to ruin the game for other people, its nothing but an act of malice


You are right, I'm not very good at PSO. But for me, the challenge *is* the cheating. Sonic Team tried quite hard in my opinion to prevent cheating while still using a client-side design. For me, the challenge is to reverse engineer these mechanisms and break them.

-- Barubary

[MikeRSG]

On 2002-11-20 16:33, Barubary6 wrote:

You are right, I'm not very good at PSO. But for me, the challenge *is* the cheating. Sonic Team tried quite hard in my opinion to prevent cheating while still using a client-side design. For me, the challenge is to reverse engineer these mechanisms and break them.

-- Barubary



Er, ok. But could you guys go ruin some other game? I paid for PSO and the broadband adaptor, and the day that cheating gets bad again is the day that I leave. This stuff *really* frustrates me.

[RedFox]

On 2002-11-20 16:33, Barubary6 wrote:

You are right, I'm not very good at PSO. But for me, the challenge *is* the cheating. Sonic Team tried quite hard in my opinion to prevent cheating while still using a client-side design. For me, the challenge is to reverse engineer these mechanisms and break them.

-- Barubary



if, or rather when, you do crack PSO again... will you be sharing your achievements with the rest of the cheating comunity? i would hate to see you become an object of hate among this community again (although there's still a large group who'd still like to string you up for your previous DC based exploits)

[DJ_Monkey]

To all game hackers out there: please, do not release those codes! We want to play the game without being laughed at when we think our legit Twin Brands are good.

And we do not want to have our characters deleted by some teenage, pimply-faced "uber-l33t hax0r"(I'm not saying that you are one, Barubary) who needs to make other people suffer just to feel good about himself.



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[flux-equals-rad]

funny thing is that i can already tell some people who'll be sharkin it in a few weeks...speaking of 'lobby chat bubble assassins'and beggars..*sigh*.. back to making password only games...

[charr]

So maybe the anti-cheat stuff is reason Xbox PSO is delayed?

[RedFox]

On 2002-11-20 17:01, DJ_Monkey wrote:
To all game hackers out there: please, do not release those codes! We want to play the game without being laughed at when we think our legit Twin Brands are good.

And we do not want to have our characters deleted by some teenage, pimply-faced "uber-l33t hax0r" who needs to make other people suffer just to feel good about himself.



you tell em,
whats funny is they do give themselvers the titles like "uber-l33t hax0r" when all they've done is input a code that they got from the net. it really is pathetic when all of our hard work gets wasted so needlessly.

[MikeRSG]

More depressing than funny, really. I just got turned on to PSO, and already I'm looking at the door...

[Wewt]

On 2002-11-20 14:14, Foggy_Pete wrote:
cheaters are people who dont have enough skills to play the game right


The majority of the best Battle mode players were cheaters. The majority of the best Challenge mode players were also cheaters. These players cheated in the main game, but when playing Battle and Challenge modes, they didn't cheat.

Don't say cheaters have no skill on the game, because cheaters excelled in areas of the game that legits didn't even come close to in terms of skill level.

As for the main game, it does not take a lot of skill. It takes persistance, patience and a very small amount of skill.

[MPLe]

The majority of the best Battle mode players were cheaters. The majority of the best Challenge mode players were also cheaters. These players cheated in the main game, but when playing Battle and Challenge modes, they didn't cheat.

Don't say cheaters have no skill on the game, because cheaters excelled in areas of the game that legits didn't even come close to in terms of skill level.

As for the main game, it does not take a lot of skill. It takes persistance, patience and a very small amount of skill.



Don't forget luck.

I used to cheat on PSO on DC but stopped when stopped when v2 came out... I was just as good as every last one of you (not literally, but you know what I mean). Just because someone cheats doesn't make them "worst" than others. What skill do you see in the main game? The skill of running around in circles battling monsters, leveling up, and then fighting the boss? Wow, what skill... I've been doing that since Wonderboy on Sega Master System (not really leveling up, but you get the point)... I don't mean to bash you but when you say that *ALL* cheaters are zit faced teenagers, get the record straight. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

As for cheaters, I *NEVER* understood why cheaters "like" to damage other people's characters... I started cheating when my character got corupted during a power outage and wanted to regain items back. Then I saw how easy stuff was to get.. So I made a legit character (with the exception of getting my things back) and a cheater character (lv 100, 4-slot armor, the works). I never once thought about damaging anyone's character, even when people started to NOL other people in v2... I mean I would never destroy something that someone has worked so hard on... Maybe it's just me... -=/

[Johan]

Indeed, Maple. I personally never cheated on Dreamcast (V1 only; I never played V2). I did get items from other people a few times, so it's possible I might have had a dupe or two, but I didn't have any obviously hacked stuff. Hell, most of the time I ran around with a Varista or Flowen's. The common rares were good enough that I saw no point in trying to get anything better, because with percents taken into account it would be worse anyway. (I had 50%+ dark flowen's/Varista.)

I was never on for all the NOL, password-breaking, etc. crap that overtook V2, so I don't know about that - I stopped playing right when I hit 100, and that was around two weeks after the break-into-PW-games code came out. I guess I was lucky for never running into any of the lobby PK, etc. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

(BTW, do the people here call you Maple too, or is that just on DDR Freak? http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

[Zell_Hogmaw]

eh.........all i really want is a cool weapon

[Atax]

There is a pretty good chance that they're won't be GS cheating online.

There has been a pretty strong rumor for a while that the GS will be cartridge based, and plugs into where the modem slots into the GCN.

[DayGlo]

But there is still the chance that the GS may not be released at all http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
*crosses fingers*

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[serialtoon]

On 2002-11-20 16:33, Barubary6 wrote:

On 2002-11-20 14:14, Foggy_Pete wrote:
they blocked it...for about 3 days
cheaters are people who dont have enough skills to play the game right, i looked hard for all the rares ive found, and leveled up my characters for countless hours, and to be shown up by a cheater who is weak enough to thow away every aspect of challenge in the game deserves no respect from anyone. but when they start to ruin the game for other people, its nothing but an act of malice


You are right, I'm not very good at PSO. But for me, the challenge *is* the cheating. Sonic Team tried quite hard in my opinion to prevent cheating while still using a client-side design. For me, the challenge is to reverse engineer these mechanisms and break them.

-- Barubary



I like your sig Barubary. using hex codes where no one understands em. Sadly...i do...maybe ill join you in the hex craze?

[Reenee]

Forgive me for being new here. I've been playing PSO since May 2K1, though! Am I in now?

I've been visiting some forums (Neoseeker, and Ragol.com), and as far as I've heard, there can't be any GS or Codebreaker. The companies aren't allowed to do such a thing unless they recreate the Gamecube mechanism. And if they did...well, lawsuit comes from Nintendo to them.

As I hear it, the GS device must be also connected right where the modem/BBA devices are placed. Can't go online without those things, right?

[BigDaddy]

At this point, Nintendo's comments about suing someone if they release a cheat device is all hogwash. I have never gotten an official link from anyone confirming such a statement to be true.

I think this made up statement all stems from the lawsuit Nintendo filed against Galoob with the Game Genie back in the early 90s. Somebody on a message board probably said, "Well Nintendo sued blah, blah, blah back in the day and they will probably sue blah, blah, blah if they release a cheat device for the GC." Then someone probably read that and took it as Nintendo saying they'll take action if a cheat device is released when they actually never even said it.

If you're wondering what was the verdict of that Nintendo vs Galoob case... Nintendo lost.

Betas of the Action Replay are out already, from what I've heard, Datel even went out and bought the rights to the Panasonic minis in order to manufacture it for the GC.

Whether someone can go online with their cheats or not is irrelevant because people can still cheat offline. People can still ruin your game by equipping Needles with 360% to everything.

[evanpanahi]

Even if it was cartridge based... couldn't someone create a hacked God/Technique-- offline, like in the ol' DC days, and then bring it online? Sure, we wouldn't lose our weapons, but it'd still be annoying as hell.

[Storme]

I've always been ANTI-SHARKIN', Especially when it effects everyone. I pray Sega cheat proffed this puppy. And if not, I hope they get what they deserve by all getting GS brought upon FBSoDs...
Every time you cheat, a Chao dies. And I don't like people touchin' my CHAO!!!

[DemiDeviMatt]

i had sum dope items legit back in the day. and i went around with s beat blades until sum dude "cured me" and then i was on the ground...so i waited like an hour and gave him all my db sabers and weak rares like that JUST to get them back...so after that i went around with a varista scared my dope rares would be stolen...*sigh*...im happy playing OFFLINE, but id like to play online sum day. so ima wait till after the code breaker comes. and if it ruins pso like the olden days...then fuck...i guess since im not online now i cant make pso friends to play with. so i have to play games with all those hackers...cant we all just NOT HACK?!?!?!

anyone wanna be my pso buddy if i do go online? ^_^

[Zell_Hogmaw]

i want cool weps

[Darkmage13]

Why do you people whine so much? Are you that worried you won't be special cause 4/5 people will have your Penis Cannon +29 you spent hours and hours of your life telepiping to get?

If this were everquest there is some prestige to certain rare items cause it means you took down a really big, bad, difficult mob. It took skill, talent, and teamwork to earn that weapon. In PSO though, you can kill any monster on your own. So you killed a monster X number of times till you finally got the drop you wanted, woohoo, you sure were patient, pat yourself on the back buddy. You earned it.

As long as people can't PK, Nol or do anything that directly effects me, I couldn't care less what the hell they do.

[Raist]

On 2003-02-05 10:22, Darkmage13 wrote:
As long as people can't PK, Nol or do anything that directly effects me, I couldn't care less what the hell they do.


So when they start doing that then we can bitch?? Ok just makin' sure i'm clear on the rules.

[Remnant]

I can't wait to get PKed by some 12 year old female who wants to vent her anger on me because she had a bad day at school...again! <sigh> ='(

[Darkmage13]

On 2003-02-05 10:34, Raist wrote:

So when they start doing that then we can bitch?? Ok just makin' sure i'm clear on the rules.


Yeah, you got it.

[Raist]

On 2003-02-05 13:36, Darkmage13 wrote:

On 2003-02-05 10:34, Raist wrote:

So when they start doing that then we can bitch?? Ok just makin' sure i'm clear on the rules.


Yeah, you got it.


oh well, i'll try and restrain it...........i give up
*cheating sucks whine whine* *dupes are gay rant rant* and so forth...
Anyway, I believe people should complain about duping and cheating as much as they please because the day they stop it becomes that much more acceptable.


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[Remnant]

I'm really curious how much time was spent in the game by the people who accept dupes and/or "cheat" compared to the people who put effort into finding weapons and leveling up their characters. I have a feeling that the, IMO, obvious will come up, that people who don't go along with duping and such have spent more time making their character what it is today as well as playing the game in general. Cheating affects everyone, mentalities, attitudes, even challenges one's reason for playing. DUping isn't the only way of cheating; just like in the first version it was simple duping only at first. It hurt nobody, but then people got bored of duping and Player Killing began. More and more people were afraid,annoyed, and/or angry. So those who were affected either "armed" themselves with a code breaker, kept playing until something bad happened to them but just kept playing, or quit altogether. Player Killing got boring and/or wasn't enough since vengeance desires more than just "killing" someone's character and sending them to the hospital leaving you with their weapon and money, so CK, VK, and eventually NOL. I dont' know when the Passworded game break code came out but I experienced it once, had to quit for fear of being NOLed. It starts with duping nobody cares at first though, PKing begins, then heads turn, why? Nobody saw it coming, or did nobody care? Then again, what can legitimate playing players do but complain? "Justice" must be enforced, consequences will come...soon I hope

People don't be so ignorant duping does affect you in a bad way whether you care or not, all you have to do is think about it.

[Darkmage13]

On 2003-02-05 14:11, Raist wrote:

oh well, i'll try and restrain it...........i give up
*cheating sucks whine whine* *dupes are gay rant rant* and so forth...
Anyway, I believe people should complain about duping and cheating as much as they please because the day they stop it becomes that much more acceptable.


That's the thing though. They can't stop it. If you're screwing around with the game making items offline then take them online there's absolutely nothing they can do to detect or stop you from doing so.

The only way to keep this from happening is if PSO had server side player maintainance. This isn't going to happen though. Why would Sega spend the money and effort setting up more servers to save characters, log play, and keep track of everything?

First off this would mean you couldn't use the same characters offline and online.

Second, there's no incentive. They're charging $9 or whatever a month for hunter's licenses. Everquest originally cost about that much, maybe less. My point is they're getting away with charging that much for a game where people can cheat in certain ways completely unhindered while the $12 Everquest players pay gets them server space that keeps track of their character.

Why would Sega change to Sever side characters if they can charge as much money as comperable services without providing it themselves.

No amount of bitching and moaning you do on an internet message board is going to get people to stop cheating or get sega to stop cheaters. The only way the PSO community can change things is with their money. If there was a mass movement before the game came out demanding server side saves or the consumers would boycott, then maybe you'd see some results. It's too late for that now. The majority of the PSO community is content paying money to play a game they spend all their time complainging about.

If you people want to change something, get everyone to quit paying to play online. If their entire subscriber base quits on them, Sega might listen.

If it's something that important, do something to change it. Sitting around this message board complainging to people who don't care or are just as lazy about it as you isn't doing anything but annoying me. If you care enough, do something about it. If not, keep quiet and just play the damn game you so willingly pay for.

[Raist]

On 2003-02-06 00:44, Darkmage13 wrote:

On 2003-02-05 14:11, Raist wrote:

oh well, i'll try and restrain it...........i give up
*cheating sucks whine whine* *dupes are gay rant rant* and so forth...
Anyway, I believe people should complain about duping and cheating as much as they please because the day they stop it becomes that much more acceptable.


That's the thing though. They can't stop it. If you're screwing around with the game making items offline then take them online there's absolutely nothing they can do to detect or stop you from doing so.

I know there isn't a way to stop offline duping, I'm just saying if nobody complained about duping or cheating people would just do it more cause it'd be less looked down upon by others. Some people do care about other people's opinion of them online.

The only way to keep this from happening is if PSO had server side player maintainance. This isn't going to happen though. Why would Sega spend the money and effort setting up more servers to save characters, log play, and keep track of everything?

Dont exactly know who you're arguing against here but you quoted me at the top so I'll just assume this is at me...or something. Why would any online game developer use server side saving since its so much more expensive, to make a better game for the consumer but I wasn't expecting that from Sonic Team much anyway. (Dont get me wrong though, Sonic Team still owns a good share of my soul http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif)

First off this would mean you couldn't use the same characters offline and online.

Thats not so far fetched, thats how all server side saving online games are played.

Second, there's no incentive. They're charging $9 or whatever a month for hunter's licenses. Everquest originally cost about that much, maybe less. My point is they're getting away with charging that much for a game where people can cheat in certain ways completely unhindered while the $12 Everquest players pay gets them server space that keeps track of their character.

I realize there wasn't any incentive, thats why i wasn't expecting there to be server side saving for pso ever. Again I'm not sure if this agrument was aimed at me or what.

No amount of bitching and moaning you do on an internet message board is going to get people to stop cheating or get sega to stop cheaters.

you say that and yet you think your bitching will stop us from bitching...weird. Ignorance and acceptance of cheating/duping is just gonna make people feel more free to do it.

If you people want to change something, get everyone to quit paying to play online. If their entire subscriber base quits on them, Sega might listen.

Oh yeah, we'll do that, then you can bitch about us asking people to cancel there HLs. It'd be funny to see though. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

If it's something that important, do something to change it. Sitting around this message board complainging to people who don't care or are just as lazy about it as you isn't doing anything but annoying me.

Bitching about it on this message board IS doing something about it being as we can't do anything else, short of calling Sega and reporting cheaters and that gets nothing done anyway. Believe it or not some people here do care, much to your disbelief i'm sure. And god knows i'm not worried about annoying you, so if your oh so sick of these posts, just dont read them...or just continue bitching which i'm sure you need no encouragement to do.


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[Darkmage13]

All of that wasn't specifically to you, it was to people with similar attitudes to yours and a lot of the usual points they bring up.

I wouldn't complain about people rallying to cancel HL's in an effort to get Sega to change their pricing plan.



Bitching here really isn't doing anything despite what you may think. It's not like Sonic Team hangs around polling player opinion here. You aren't doing anything but either preaching to the choire or talking to people like me who couldn't really care less. I don't know what I think you're accomplishing.

[Raist]

On 2003-02-06 17:11, Darkmage13 wrote:
Bitching here really isn't doing anything despite what you may think. It's not like Sonic Team hangs around polling player opinion here.

The target of my posts is obviously not Sonic Team, its the players.

You aren't doing anything but either preaching to the choire or talking to people like me who couldn't really care less. I don't know what I think you're accomplishing.

Hardly the choire and I've gotten the picture that you dont agree with and dont care about my posts, what weirds me out is that you continue to post against them despite your not caring. I mean its not like I go around makeing these topics, geeze, other people do and I help debate anti-cheating and anti-duping when people bring them up. But i reiterate you can stop reading my posts if they pain you so much or just keep bitching (which if you haven't noticed is what your bitching about http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif)

[ChuChuMAN]

what does NOL and FSOD and all that other stuff mean ????????????????????

[Raist]

On 2003-02-17 16:03, ChuChuMAN wrote:
what does NOL and FSOD and all that other stuff mean ????????????????????


Answered here:
http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=41731&forum=4&3

[Sedyne]

Fuck You GameShark ^_^