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Xeno1
Nov 21, 2006, 01:03 PM
OK ! here Double Saber S !Look Like Old Double Saber PSO Twin Brand !
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6299/psu20061122023703001rd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9505/psu20061122023701000zn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8921/ds3fx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Po-Fu
Nov 21, 2006, 01:07 PM
... oh... my...

Cause_I_Own_U
Nov 21, 2006, 01:13 PM
48 mil!!!!!!!!!


Lol but look at the stats, um i think my B rank spear has about that much damage....hmmm


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Variance
Nov 21, 2006, 01:16 PM
When you take into consideration that it hits twice as many times, it makes sense.

Pandatron
Nov 21, 2006, 01:21 PM
Its an S rank double saber with a means of transportation known as 'psycho crusher' i be glad to use that' Nice find, or synth... or however you got the item ^_^;;;

Laranas
Nov 21, 2006, 01:23 PM
It's actually 4.8 mil, fyi...

Gazette
Nov 21, 2006, 01:35 PM
Crea Double Ruse is my guess (Kurea Dabu Rutsu, directly)

fixed mistake >.>;

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Xeno1
Nov 21, 2006, 02:01 PM
I know that it is one Crea Weapon but a friend Beast said to me that it could equipped with its job Figunner, no red cross when it seen it with the shop.
It is for that which I did not specify that it was a weapon Crea.

Alpha-Hunter
Nov 21, 2006, 02:03 PM
that thing looks sick!! I guess for many the fortefighter/figunner struggle has be taken care of....

AkiraXxx
Nov 21, 2006, 02:09 PM
4.8 mil? The attack on that thing is rancid for a S rank rare. Looking to be a show item.

Dhylec
Nov 21, 2006, 02:27 PM
Hm, interesting. Looks like ST do have a few classic looks/items in PSU.

hucast21
Nov 21, 2006, 02:39 PM
On 2006-11-21 11:03, Alpha-Hunter wrote:
that thing looks sick!! I guess for many the fortefighter/figunner struggle has be taken care of....



If you use weapons for the aesthetics, yes. Most Fortefighters though use weapons for attack power.

Musashi445
Nov 21, 2006, 02:44 PM
On 2006-11-21 10:35, Gazette wrote:
Crea Double Ruse is my guess (Kurea Dabu Rutsu, directly)

fixed mistake >.>;

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Isn't it directly translated as "Kurea Dabu Rusu"? No Tsu, just Su.

Honestly not much of a difference but just wondering...

ryuartyi
Nov 21, 2006, 03:04 PM
It is a Kubara weapon, so to my knowledge, it should grind with very good results.

AkiraXxx
Nov 21, 2006, 03:05 PM
Anyone have pics of the other S rank weapons while were on the topic. I saw a couple but they were the size of quarters on the screen. Hardly viewable.

GForce09
Nov 21, 2006, 03:11 PM
"Crea Doubles" seems to be the name you guys are looking for. Looks good, that's gotta come in handy with their PA.

Zorafim
Nov 21, 2006, 03:21 PM
If I can get a doublesaber that looks like that, I may consider using it along with dual daggers as a FiGunner. But even with that, I only like the last PA for doublesabers.

Itsuki
Nov 21, 2006, 03:56 PM
EVen if you're translating directly from the japanese version, it says "Kurea daburusu". Which is pronounced "Crea Doubles" since the "u"s are for the most part silent.

Anyways, considering the fact that for quite some time, goldania was going for 110k, and you needed 15 of them, AND the board only had a 30% success rate. 4.8mil wouldn't be so bad. They're prbobly cheaper now though, since goldania drops pretty often from canyon 2 s.

Any race can equip them because they're real claires, not replicas. Atleast thats the assumption. The japanese wiki says they haven't confirmed for newman yet since newman have too low of atp to equip (or atleast did, they probably have high enough now the cap was raised to 70).

ZodiacNKnight
Nov 21, 2006, 04:47 PM
I used the Stag Cuterly for a long time on my GC character...
Can't wait to get my hands on an old relic from the PSO days. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Twin Brand was pretty rare during the Dreamcast days.
If you had one of those you were considered a God.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/BB-TWIN_BRAND-ACTION-1.jpg

http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/twin_brand_1.jpg

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Ryoki
Nov 21, 2006, 04:54 PM
On 2006-11-21 12:21, Zorafim wrote:
If I can get a doublesaber that looks like that, I may consider using it along with dual daggers as a FiGunner. But even with that, I only like the last PA for doublesabers.


I agree with ya there. That's why I'm going Fi.

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Rider
Nov 21, 2006, 05:22 PM
On 2006-11-21 12:56, Itsuki-chan wrote:

Any race can equip them because they're real claires, not replicas. Atleast thats the assumption. The japanese wiki says they haven't confirmed for newman yet since newman have too low of atp to equip (or atleast did, they probably have high enough now the cap was raised to 70).



So if any race can equip real claires, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of what Humans and Newmans get inplace of Nanoblast and SUV? I'm assuming real claires act just like crea do.

Arieta
Nov 21, 2006, 05:48 PM
It's ATP is pretty darn low. I already have a few B weapons that have more ATP then that weapon. I wonder if that's because it's kubura? Or because it's a Crea weapon, since it'll hit two targets at once.

jnblz316
Nov 21, 2006, 06:44 PM
That's awesome that it has that old PSO Twin Brand look. I can't stand the way the default Double saber's look but I can deal with them if the A and S rank version have their own distinct look.

Parn
Nov 21, 2006, 06:48 PM
On 2006-11-21 14:22, Rider wrote:
So if any race can equip real claires, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of what Humans and Newmans get inplace of Nanoblast and SUV? I'm assuming real claires act just like crea do.
Or perhaps they were never meant to be the human's and newman's answer to the other race's special abilities to begin with, and was merely assumption on our part. Oh well, just means I get to be a gimped hunter for the rest of my PSU career!

Rider
Nov 21, 2006, 06:55 PM
On 2006-11-21 15:48, Parn wrote:

On 2006-11-21 14:22, Rider wrote:
So if any race can equip real claires, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of what Humans and Newmans get inplace of Nanoblast and SUV? I'm assuming real claires act just like crea do.
Or perhaps they were never meant to be the human's and newman's answer to the other race's special abilities to begin with, and was merely assumption on our part. Oh well, just means I get to be a gimped hunter for the rest of my PSU career!



But your looks make up for it Parn!

Mystil
Nov 21, 2006, 07:11 PM
On 2006-11-21 13:47, ZodiacNKnight wrote:
I used the Stag Cuterly for a long time on my GC character...
Can't wait to get my hands on an old relic from the PSO days. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Twin Brand was pretty rare during the Dreamcast days.
If you had one of those you were considered a God.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/BB-TWIN_BRAND-ACTION-1.jpg

http://www.pso-world.com/images/items/twin_brand_1.jpg

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Ok this just made me miss PSO.



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DoubleJG
Nov 21, 2006, 07:14 PM
Wow. Simply, wow. I hope all official Kubara Crea weapons look like the old school PSO weapons just for old timesake. This weapon's price doesn't come as a suprise to me.

Cause_I_Own_U
Nov 21, 2006, 07:25 PM
On 2006-11-21 14:48, Arieta wrote:
It's ATP is pretty darn low. I already have a few B weapons that have more ATP then that weapon. I wonder if that's because it's kubura? Or because it's a Crea weapon, since it'll hit two targets at once.



Its a weapon that is meant for support mainly, if it had high atp it would be overpowered whill spaming the human missle pa (i think its called tornado dance)

Btw, who in there right mind would risk grinding that thing haha



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ZodiacNKnight
Nov 21, 2006, 08:48 PM
The default double sabers kinda look like wands from PSO. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

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BloodDragoon
Nov 21, 2006, 08:55 PM
Also doublesaber's in PSU hit multiple targets. Exact number I dunno. I used one on story mode and it seemed to hit everything in range and in the path of the weapon including monsters behind me.

Itsuki
Nov 21, 2006, 09:01 PM
On 2006-11-21 16:25, Cause_I_Own_U wrote:

On 2006-11-21 14:48, Arieta wrote:
It's ATP is pretty darn low. I already have a few B weapons that have more ATP then that weapon. I wonder if that's because it's kubura? Or because it's a Crea weapon, since it'll hit two targets at once.



Its a weapon that is meant for support mainly, if it had high atp it would be overpowered whill spaming the human missle pa (i think its called tornado dance)

Btw, who in there right mind would risk grinding that thing haha


Can't grind it yet anyways, so it doesn't matter.

Buuuuut:
1) Torando dance isn't online, the PA is different. I think online the original PA for it was Gravity Dance, and then they added Spiral Dance. Both are not the "human missile".
2) The ATP is not because its kubara and not because its Crea. Infact, I don't even think it hits an extra target. Its just the natural progression of double sabers.
7 star: 274 atp
8 star: 310 atp
9 star: 335 atp
10 star (Crea Doubles): 352atp
3) Even though I don't think it can hit an "extra" target, it does have like a 270 degree hit radius and hits like 2-3 targets at once already just because its a double saber. It might be good to think of double sabers as a sword, that hits faster and twice as much (6 hits per combo), but has half the atp.

Blu_Swade
Nov 21, 2006, 09:12 PM
On 2006-11-21 12:11, GForce09 wrote:
"Crea Doubles" seems to be the name you guys are looking for. Looks good, that's gotta come in handy with their PA.



That was my first thought when I saw its name, I wonder if they'll change it...

Arieta
Nov 21, 2006, 11:33 PM
On 2006-11-21 18:01, Itsuki-chan wrote:

On 2006-11-21 16:25, Cause_I_Own_U wrote:

On 2006-11-21 14:48, Arieta wrote:
It's ATP is pretty darn low. I already have a few B weapons that have more ATP then that weapon. I wonder if that's because it's kubura? Or because it's a Crea weapon, since it'll hit two targets at once.



Its a weapon that is meant for support mainly, if it had high atp it would be overpowered whill spaming the human missle pa (i think its called tornado dance)

Btw, who in there right mind would risk grinding that thing haha


Can't grind it yet anyways, so it doesn't matter.

Buuuuut:
1) Torando dance isn't online, the PA is different. I think online the original PA for it was Gravity Dance, and then they added Spiral Dance. Both are not the "human missile".
2) The ATP is not because its kubara and not because its Crea. Infact, I don't even think it hits an extra target. Its just the natural progression of double sabers.
7 star: 274 atp
8 star: 310 atp
9 star: 335 atp
10 star (Crea Doubles): 352atp
3) Even though I don't think it can hit an "extra" target, it does have like a 270 degree hit radius and hits like 2-3 targets at once already just because its a double saber. It might be good to think of double sabers as a sword, that hits faster and twice as much (6 hits per combo), but has half the atp.




That's awesome that Tornado dance isn't in yet. It was only good against bosses / big targets anyways. unless you wanted to drive your group insane with all the knockbacks xD I actually liked Gravity dance and Spiral dance more.

Candor
Nov 21, 2006, 11:37 PM
O M F G

Zeig123
Nov 21, 2006, 11:48 PM
wow nice......but i still think i will be going guntecher.........but that is still one of the coolest weapons ive seen......hope they make more old school pso weapons

Xiber
Nov 22, 2006, 12:32 AM
It's nice to see PSO weapons, but I want my Sange & Yasha.

Blu_Swade
Nov 22, 2006, 03:57 AM
I've never seen the Gravity Dance PA.
BTW, I miss my Guilty Light... ;_;

Arieta
Nov 22, 2006, 06:16 AM
Gravity Dance PA is shown on youtube somewhere. It's kinda like the Twin Dagger PA, but with x3 the range and the 3rd combo is just a single hit. I'm sure it sucks up PP like a hoover though.

Itsuki
Nov 22, 2006, 06:52 AM
Hahaha, like a hoover. Its only 20 PP per. Anyways, gravit dance is:
4 hits 2 targets
2 hits 2 targets
1 hit 2 targets

I hear the 21+ hit kinda sucks. But the rest of it eats stuff up.

Arieta
Nov 22, 2006, 06:56 AM
*only* 20 pp adds up when you do all three combos though xD that's 60 right there. Not something you would want to spam. I have to agree though with the 21+ hit, watching it on youtube didn't show it to be that effective. Large pause between the 2nd combo and the 3rd combo, and your aim has to be dead on to hit the target. Since he throws the saber about 10 feet in front of him towards the ground while in mid air.

Shiro_Ryuu
Nov 22, 2006, 06:59 AM
wait, now anyone can wield crea weapons? IMO that totally sux if thats true!

Itsuki
Nov 22, 2006, 07:07 AM
wait, now anyone can wield crea weapons? IMO that totally sux if thats true!
You misunderstand. Anyone can wield REAL crea weapons. But theres only one real one so far, and thats the Crea doubles, 10 star.

Arieta
Nov 22, 2006, 07:07 AM
There's two types of Crea weapons.. Replicas that only newmans and forces can use. And True Crea's that anyone can use.

Shiro_Ryuu
Nov 22, 2006, 07:22 AM
yeah, but it still sux. Creas were pretty much a way to make up for not having a special, hope there are some s rank replicas then.

Xiber
Nov 22, 2006, 03:26 PM
Crea weapons are the human and newman version of the nanoblast and SUV weapons, they are for humans and Newmans ONLY, not all crea weapons are S class. Not all S class are crea weapons. Or at least that what I've gathered from the internetz.

Xiber
Nov 22, 2006, 03:28 PM
But I want my freakin' Sange & Yasha...

Ryoki
Nov 22, 2006, 03:29 PM
On 2006-11-22 04:22, Shiroryuu wrote:
yeah, but it still sux. Creas were pretty much a way to make up for not having a special, hope there are some s rank replicas then.


Humans and Newmans gain more stats each level. So the Beasts and CASTS get less stat increases than the two other races.

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Mwabwetumba
Nov 22, 2006, 03:29 PM
Are you saying that my CAST will be able to use that wonderful piece of weaponry??
Please say so^^

Ffuzzy-Logik
Nov 22, 2006, 03:50 PM
On 2006-11-22 12:29, Mwabwetumba wrote:
Are you saying that my CAST will be able to use that wonderful piece of weaponry??
Please say so^^

This picture says yes:
http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/d_saver/kureadoubles00.jpg

Ryogen
Nov 22, 2006, 03:54 PM
beautiful.

Roffkaiser
Nov 22, 2006, 03:56 PM
On 2006-11-22 12:26, Xiber wrote:
Crea weapons are the human and newman version of the nanoblast and SUV weapons, they are for humans and Newmans ONLY, not all crea weapons are S class. Not all S class are crea weapons. Or at least that what I've gathered from the internetz.



The reason some crea weapons are S and some A is because some are replica's and some are the real deal from what I gather, as my A rank twin sabers is a replica.

Saphion
Nov 22, 2006, 04:05 PM
Mmmm...

Is there anywhere one can see all the Crea weapons in one place? I'm intruiged to see what the others look like.

Xiber
Nov 22, 2006, 04:54 PM
On 2006-11-22 12:29, Ryoki wrote:
Humans and Newmans gain more stats each level. So the Beasts and CASTS get less stat increases than the two other races.


That makes no sense.
You're saying that Beasts and CASTs get shafted every time they level up because humans and newmans get more stats every time they level.

Xiber
Nov 22, 2006, 04:59 PM
On 2006-11-22 12:56, Roffkaiser wrote:

On 2006-11-22 12:26, Xiber wrote:
Crea weapons are the human and newman version of the nanoblast and SUV weapons, they are for humans and Newmans ONLY, not all crea weapons are S class. Not all S class are crea weapons. Or at least that what I've gathered from the internetz.



The reason some crea weapons are S and some A is because some are replica's and some are the real deal from what I gather, as my A rank twin sabers is a replica.


yes but what they were saying is that the so-called PSO twin saber was a crea weapon, my point is that we should jump to conclusions yet.

Mystil
Nov 22, 2006, 05:02 PM
It is a method of balancing the races out. It makes sense. BUT I don't believe newmans get more stat increases to ATP than beast and cast. And newman DFP I swear doesn't even move.

Shiro_Ryuu
Nov 22, 2006, 05:15 PM
I do know that humans get stat bonuses for being Figh Gunners, War Techers, Gun Techers, or Pro Transers and newmans for being Fortechers, War Techers, or Gun Techers. At the same time though, Beasts get bonuses as Fortefighters and CASTs as Fortegunners.

Mayuga
Nov 22, 2006, 05:16 PM
make me wanna b a figguner ;;

ShadowDragon28
Nov 22, 2006, 07:17 PM
That is one beautiful weapon. Looks very cool with the dark photon element.

What drops the Crea Doubles Board? and what materials, and how many of those materials are needed to synth it?

Rider
Nov 22, 2006, 07:34 PM
I'm guessing real crea will be better then crea(replica). Someone tell me the point of being a newman and human again for melee?

ZiG
Nov 22, 2006, 07:39 PM
Fun? The lack of the need to powergame? Why play to simply maximize every aspect?

I play humans in every MMO I've ever played. No reason other than I like playing humans. In most MMO's stories, Humans are the most plentiful race, though you'd never think so seeing as how no one ever plays them.

Lyrise
Nov 28, 2006, 02:05 AM
Finally managed to build one for myself!

Some info in pic format:

What it takes to build one:
http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061127_064604_001.jpg
15 Photons, 3 Junoarin, 15 Goldania, and 2 Relic Edges.

http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061127_064613_003.jpg
This is no joke... That really does say 24 hours, and 37% (remember, my PM is impure, +6% if pure).


http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061128_115220_002.jpg
Picking up the finished product.

http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061128_125016_030.jpg
Clean shot of the weapon itself.

http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061128_144844_112.jpg
Approximation of what it takes to fully charge this 1 weapon.

http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061128_153114_004.jpg
http://www.arc-drive.com/images/psu/real/psu20061128_153104_002.jpg

A comparison of length between this and a normal Doublesaber type. There's a pretty large difference. Also note since it was brought up near the start of this thread, I am a Female Newman FighGunner, I have 524ATP at Lv70 FG10, this weapon requires 520 atp to use...

And a final note, this thing is pretty much the original Doublesaber from PSO in a nutshell, even the sound effect is the same.

Wallin
Nov 28, 2006, 02:17 AM
I would say "wow that's freaking awesome!!" but OMG, 43% and a 24 hour torture fest of waiting to see whether or not you just blew up tens of thousands of meseta on items? Geeeeeezzzz!! >_<;;;;

I guess it's a waste, but any idea what the synth rate is if you use regular photons?



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Lyrise
Nov 28, 2006, 02:27 AM
This is really the second time I've tried to build this, and well, I only wish it was tens of thousands.

More like over a million. Japanese server prices ATM: Goldania: 15k each (used to be 110k each, before Canyon/Bloody Gorge S was ever released. If you really snipe, 10k, but you need a lot of patience), Relic Edge: 8k (not a big deal), Junoarin: 10k (never changed), photons: don't really need to go into this. The most expensive part though, was the board itself. The thing is so rare that I pretty much lost all patience with it and bought the board, got lucky, found it being sold for 500k. On average, this board is worth a million, easy, especially since it comes from a certain species of Megid Spitting Freaks(tm).

Sailor_V_64
Nov 28, 2006, 02:40 AM
yeah lovin that 999999 meseta.

FOnewearl-Lina
Nov 28, 2006, 03:08 AM
On 2006-11-27 23:27, Lyrise wrote:
On average, this board is worth a million, easy, especially since it comes from a certain species of Megid Spitting Freaks(tm).

But I'm a force, I laugh in the face of megid! ufufufufu!

Wallin
Nov 28, 2006, 03:11 AM
On 2006-11-27 23:27, Lyrise wrote:
This is really the second time I've tried to build this, and well, I only wish it was tens of thousands.

More like over a million. Japanese server prices ATM: Goldania: 15k each (used to be 110k each, before Canyon/Bloody Gorge S was ever released. If you really snipe, 10k, but you need a lot of patience), Relic Edge: 8k (not a big deal), Junoarin: 10k (never changed), photons: don't really need to go into this. The most expensive part though, was the board itself. The thing is so rare that I pretty much lost all patience with it and bought the board, got lucky, found it being sold for 500k. On average, this board is worth a million, easy, especially since it comes from a certain species of Megid Spitting Freaks(tm).



I thought it was a given that the board cost was going to be worth more than 4 out of 5 players' souls, so I didn't bother to mention it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

AkiraXxx
Nov 28, 2006, 03:13 AM
I see these sabers and stuff, but what about the rest of the S rank weapons? Any decent pictures? Or even some rares.

FOnewearl-Lina
Nov 28, 2006, 03:30 AM
On 2006-11-28 00:13, AkiraXxx wrote:
I see these sabers and stuff, but what about the rest of the S rank weapons? Any decent pictures? Or even some rares.

Currently, the only other S rank 'weapon' available on JP is the Hararodou. Even worse, the board is found in a box after defeating Srank Onma (ie. it's many more times rarer than the CreaDouble).

VelosofLight
Nov 28, 2006, 03:51 AM
Oh snap. I hope by the time PSU is done being fully released, there are plenty of S-Rank weapons and not just one of each weapon type or something.

Arieta
Nov 28, 2006, 03:55 AM
I'm looking forward to that weapon, but I'm also preparing myself for when I'll spend a day crying over it failing when I make it and having to farm back all my money to try again.

Alisha
Nov 28, 2006, 04:27 AM
double sabers have low atp because the regular combo is 5 hits.
twin sabers and double are both 5 hits for a regular combo and have similar stats and pa %'s. offline i found double sabers and twin sabers to be lacking unless i use them on my beast female who has 1054'ish atp unless i bore myself to death by using tornado dance.

Arieta
Nov 28, 2006, 04:33 AM
Twin sabers actually have 6 hits. 1>2>3 in that order. I'm pretty sure Double Sabers have 6 hits as well. The last swings normally hit multi times really fast so it seems like less.

Alisha
Nov 28, 2006, 04:35 AM
if thats the case it doesnt really make sence for twin daggars to be so much weaker.

Arieta
Nov 28, 2006, 04:38 AM
Double post ;;



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Arieta
Nov 28, 2006, 04:40 AM
Twin daggers have x7 hits. 2x2x3

Edit: I wouldn't say that Twin daggers are weaker though. I use both twin weapons and they're both good. Twin daggers has a better PA at the moment since it's fairly spamable and a decent AoE to it. Twin sabers on the other hand suck up PP and really is only useful if you can bunch up enemies (for pure damage). Or against mobs you want to keep on lockdown by tossing it up.




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Alisha
Nov 28, 2006, 04:41 AM
ok im gonna pop in my game and check for myself http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Lyrise
Nov 28, 2006, 09:05 AM
On 2006-11-28 01:40, Arieta wrote:
Twin daggers have x7 hits. 2x2x3

Edit: I wouldn't say that Twin daggers are weaker though. I use both twin weapons and they're both good. Twin daggers has a better PA at the moment since it's fairly spamable and a decent AoE to it. Twin sabers on the other hand suck up PP and really is only useful if you can bunch up enemies (for pure damage). Or against mobs you want to keep on lockdown by tossing it up.




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That all changes when you are a Fortefighter. Reduction ability is VERY nice. Stack a skillsave unit and watch your costs drop even lower. 6PP Renkaibuyouzan anyone?

Ronzeru
Dec 4, 2006, 01:05 PM
What about for a Figunner then?

Kyuu
Dec 4, 2006, 02:50 PM
On 2006-11-28 06:05, Lyrise wrote:

That all changes when you are a Fortefighter. Reduction ability is VERY nice. Stack a skillsave unit and watch your costs drop even lower. 6PP Renkaibuyouzan anyone?
Perhaps I'm thinking of a different unit, or the unit acts differently online, but doesn't the Skillsave unit reduce both your ATP and ATA substantially? o_0 As well as increasing PP usage for Ranged weapons (if you're using the melee version)?

Remedy
Dec 4, 2006, 02:58 PM
On 2006-12-04 11:50, Kyuu wrote:
Perhaps I'm thinking of a different unit, or the unit acts differently online, but doesn't the Skillsave unit reduce both your ATP and ATA substantially? o_0 As well as increasing PP usage for Ranged weapons (if you're using the melee version)?Not on online. It doesn't effect your ATP or ATA at all - it's only a 50% PA cost/200% Bullet cost modifier, nothing more.

Which is why my Ranger is going to hunt day and night until she has a Giga/Bullet PP Save. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Kyuu
Dec 4, 2006, 03:01 PM
On 2006-12-04 11:58, Remedy wrote:
Not on online. It doesn't effect your ATP or ATA at all - it's only a 50% PA cost/200% Bullet cost modifier, nothing more.

Which is why my Ranger is going to hunt day and night until she has a Giga/Bullet PP Save. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Ah, thanks. So it is different online than off (offline version has -200 ATP and -100 ATA if I remember right). Still not very useful for Figunners, since, presumably, you'll be using ranged weapons some (unless you're one of those only going for the double saber). The Giga/Bullet would very, very nice for my Guntecher though...

Itsuki
Dec 4, 2006, 03:24 PM
its actually 75% Skills, 150% Bullets.

Remedy
Dec 4, 2006, 03:25 PM
Is it? Thought JP Wiki said 50/200. I'll go look again. :3

Edit: So it is. You're right. Oh well. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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pionear
Dec 4, 2006, 04:43 PM
Darth Maul, anyone???