So tomorrow at 3?

[Weakness]

Yes... tomorrow at 3 PM we will all hunt down the retard who invented this grinding system and gut him like a fish.

-.-;; I just lost my fifth Vullseye, this time using +6 grinders, level 2 luck... going from +1 to +2... oh how I will make that idiot feel pain.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Yea... posting here in PSOW will only make it worst~

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[AnamanaAU]

It's annoying, but I don't think high grinding is worth the meseta risk.

[Kyuu]

So... you didn't notice the extra long disclaimer you have to agree to every time you go to grind?

Not to marginalize you or anything, but you're pretty well warned that grinding comes with the risk of destroying your weapon. If you don't want to risk losing a weapon, don't grind it.

I've lost more than a couple weapons grinding, including a Flourescent Bulb I was rather fond of, with a "Very Good" chance of success. But hey, I knew the risk. Can't complain. Moping for a while is okay, though. That's what I do. =P

[DizzyDi]

Lol, sucker.

[Yoruichi]

i've broken 2 auto guns going from 1-2 with 2 luck using +4? grinders lol funny stuff. Also lost my 50% darkness lance going 2-3, just happens.

[Kyuu]

On 2006-11-29 14:49, JubeiSaotome wrote:

It's annoying, but I don't think high grinding is worth the meseta risk.
Considering the highest grinds have the biggest payoffs... (at least I think so; in my experience, the grinds get progressively more rewarding the higher you go)

It all depends. Grinding is not a must, but you can seriously power up your weapons if you're willing to take the risk, and put the effort and meseta into getting good grinders.

There's really not any good reason not to grind at least a couple times though, unless you have really, really horrid luck. I've grinded every single one of my weapons up to at least +4, and only lost one going up to +4 (speaking of C-rank and B-rank weapons... A-rank and S-rank are/will be a different matter considering the rarity/meseta cost of the grinders themselves, not to mention the weapons). With L3 luck and a couple of decent grinders, the first 4 grinds are practically freebies.

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[Parn]

As far as B rank weapons go, I've found that with level 3 luck, reaching +5 with a +1, +2, +3, +5, and +8 grinders gives a pretty decent rate of success.

Naturally, your mileage may vary.

[Mystil]

I like how I was called a lier in a game yesterday when I said I broke my halbenata on the FIRST GRINDING ATTEMPT on a LEVEL3 luck day. Yes people you can break that thing on the first attempt. Grinding 5 stars...EVIL!

On 2006-11-29 14:45, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:
Yea... posting here in PSOW will only make it worst~


Ah come on man don't be like that. /poke

[Kuya]

I've broken about 6 B ranked Burzaihohs and about 30-35 C ranked Brahohs...Great times http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I did however finally get a Blaster (C rank GRM Rfile) to +10. 480 atp is good stuff http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Ether]

I dont hate the guy who came up with grinding breaks

I hate the guy who decided that PSU needed synthing failures, AND grinding breaks. The grinding system seems to be completely pointless for A and S rank weapons, no one is going to gamble a 90k weapon with 60% synth chance for a little more ATP

[Dj_SkyEpic]

On 2006-11-29 15:13, Silhouette wrote:
I like how I was called a lier in a game yesterday when I said I broke my halbenata on the FIRST GRINDING ATTEMPT on a LEVEL3 luck day. Yes people you can break that thing on the first attempt. Grinding 5 stars...EVIL!

On 2006-11-29 14:45, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:
Yea... posting here in PSOW will only make it worst~


Ah come on man don't be like that. /poke


http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Genobee]

yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.

[Choja]

If you bored, do what I do!
1: Get a better weapon than what you have.
2: Grind the worse weapon to the highest you want.
3: If it breaks, oh well, you have a better weapon anyways!
4: If you get it to a level where it outpowers the better weapon you got, then there you go.
5: If they're +10 Twin Daggers 6*, I'll buy them. Seriously.

The notice before you start grinding is so great, mainly because it actually gives me a reason to not scream at my computer/grinder, though I'm the crazy type that likes to obliterate things. HAHAHAHA!

Off topic: Do you remember which melee weapons give SEs?

[Ryoki]

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Agreed


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[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.

[Genobee]

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.



No because it make rares and grinding useless and more work then they are worth. A point of a game is be fun, not to be work. Games that feel like work fail and are unsuccessful.

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 15:47, Genobee wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.



No because it make rares and grinding useless and more work then they are worth. A point of a game is be fun, not to be work. Games that feel like work fail and are unsuccessful.


After the massive bonuses weapons even low at the Blaster show after 10 grinds (from 190 to 480 atp), there is plenty of reward. I wont argue it's alot of work, but part of the game of grinding is the fun of gambling, which you obviously don't share.

[Ether]

Make grinders rarer and more expensive. Have a failed grind bring a weapon back to +0. Problem solved

[Weakness]

On 2006-11-29 15:51, Ether wrote:
Make grinders rarer and more expensive. Have a failed grind bring a weapon back to +0. Problem solved



I second this opinion. It would make life much less stressful when you don't dump 15k down the drain... can't imagion what grinding A/S ranks is going to be like.

[Wheatpenny]

Grinding has a disclaimer.Rare weapons chances are they are going to be powerful enough that grinding them won't realy be a big factori but if someone feels like blowing a 90 k weapon grinding it then more power to them.And this weapons geting broke..jeez quit crying omg I lost a 10k weapon grinding TRY LOSING A CREASAUD SYNTH WITH A 89% CHANCE ON A LUCK 3 DAY.You do that then feel free to come back and whine.Otherwise if you grind better just be ready for break time and deal with it when it happens.

[RuinedReBirth]

Don't feel bad. I lost my 50% Ice Twin Rippers going from +1 to +2 grind on a level 3 luck day with a +8 grinder.

You don't know about fury.

[Weakness]

On 2006-11-29 15:55, Wheatpenny wrote:
Grinding has a disclaimer.Rare weapons chances are they are going to be powerful enough that grinding them won't realy be a big factori but if someone feels like blowing a 90 k weapon grinding it then more power to them.And this weapons geting broke..jeez quit crying omg I lost a 10k weapon grinding TRY LOSING A CREASAUD SYNTH WITH A 89% CHANCE ON A LUCK 3 DAY.You do that then feel free to come back and whine.Otherwise if you grind better just be ready for break time and deal with it when it happens.



I played FF XI for three years, I am used to breaking synths. To be truthful though, there was still an 11% chance for you to break... that's over a 1 out of 10 chance http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. But I totally loath this grinding thing, going from 1 to 2 and breaking with "Very High" chances is retarded.

Also, does luck even effect synthing? I thought it only dealt with items drops and grinding.

[FenixStryk]

I have decent luck with grinding. Just make sure you do it with caution, and with something to fall back on. I'm in love with my +6 Lacanata, +6 Ortotore, and an algarithm of many +1 and 2 weapons. You just gotta be careful when you do it.

...

Thinks to self: I'd so play horsey with Parn...

[Carbinne]

About the wepons with special effects, I know of the Lancata which gives silence effects occasionally, and the 3 star yohmei dagger that supposedly sleeps targets.

Also when you get a weapon to +10 there's no need to work on it anymore and you can live comfortably for the rest of your weapon-using life off the interest gained by being able to hit for more damage and with more PP. Yay. It does make a difference, it's not like it's going to do twice the damage, but it's there.

But, ff you don't feel like risking time and effort to make a weapon better, you can just be satisfied with the wal-mart stock weapons and invest the money you save on some other stuff. Like maybe a Rappy Landscape. Or you could just BUY a pre-ground weapon.

The main beef I have with grinding is that they say "this has no chance of failure" when it does have a chance of failure. Disclaimer or not, there's no reason to deceive people about it. A 96.7% chance of success is miles away from a 100% chance of success. Or to say it another way, a small chance of failure is very much greater than no chance of failure.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Yes. You can try this.

Have two of the same weapon. Start grinding one, then grind the other.
Keep repeating until one breaks.

Now you have a grinded weapon without the pain of losing the other since you KNEW one would break.~ Easiest way to get higher grinds for a weapon ;3

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 15:55, Wheatpenny wrote:
Grinding has a disclaimer.Rare weapons chances are they are going to be powerful enough that grinding them won't realy be a big factori but if someone feels like blowing a 90 k weapon grinding it then more power to them.And this weapons geting broke..jeez quit crying omg I lost a 10k weapon grinding TRY LOSING A CREASAUD SYNTH WITH A 89% CHANCE ON A LUCK 3 DAY.You do that then feel free to come back and whine.Otherwise if you grind better just be ready for break time and deal with it when it happens.


I think it's funny how you mention the luck on your synthing failure like it has an actual effect.

[Ryoki]

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.

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[Genobee]

Like once everyone starts getting A ranks grinding is gonna go out the window because, First of all runnign around finding all those rare mats or spedning over 100k or rare mats and then god knows if it's gonna if you will be able to syth it. And then finding the Grinders which are rares them selfs and then have a chance of it breaking on the second grind. Yea thats all a bit much.



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[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso

[Ryoki]

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


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[Agne]

actually i think luck affects everything in some way.... maybe it's just my personal luck.... but after failing almostevery synth below 60% on normal days, then getting everything when i had luck 3, i've begun to assume that it has some hidden effect. also i've noticed the more luck the more criticals, drops, and numerous other could-just-be-my-imagination-cuz-i-see-sparklies-over-my-head-but-i-don't-knooOOW occasions

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:32, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryoki on 2006-11-29 16:32 ]</font>

We are in a PSU forum, not a PSO/PSU forum. Before what you just said, there was not a single mention of PSO grinding in this thread. Other people addressed it simply as grinding, not PSU grinding. You are the only person in this thread to sprout that difference, and you are doing it solely to be an overly-technical douchebag.

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:36, Agne wrote:
actually i think luck affects everything in some way.... maybe it's just my personal luck.... but after failing almostevery synth below 60% on normal days, then getting everything when i had luck 3, i've begun to assume that it has some hidden effect. also i've noticed the more luck the more criticals, drops, and numerous other could-just-be-my-imagination-cuz-i-see-sparklies-over-my-head-but-i-don't-knooOOW occasions


Luck has no effect on synthesis. Luck has an effect on drops, I haven't heard anything about crits [but I assume luck doesnt affect it], and I can't say about the other numerous things, because I don't know what they are.

[Agne]

buuurrrrnnnn!!!! lol

[Ryoki]

On 2006-11-29 16:37, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:32, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryoki on 2006-11-29 16:32 ]</font>

We are in a PSU forum, not a PSO/PSU forum. Before what you just said, there was not a single mention of PSO grinding in this thread. Other people addressed it simply as grinding, not PSU grinding. You are the only person in this thread to sprout that difference, and you are doing it solely to be an overly-technical douchebag.


Goddamnit, you argue like my brother. He won't let anyone get their points in without being smacked with words that mask their meaning by being over-complex.

________
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[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:43, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:37, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:32, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryoki on 2006-11-29 16:32 ]</font>

We are in a PSU forum, not a PSO/PSU forum. Before what you just said, there was not a single mention of PSO grinding in this thread. Other people addressed it simply as grinding, not PSU grinding. You are the only person in this thread to sprout that difference, and you are doing it solely to be an overly-technical douchebag.


Goddamnit, you argue like my brother. He won't let anyone get their points in without being smacked with words that mask their meaning by being over-complex.


You never had a point in the first place, you just pointed out a technicality in my post and went from there.

[Ryoki]

On 2006-11-29 16:44, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:43, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:37, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:32, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryoki on 2006-11-29 16:32 ]</font>

We are in a PSU forum, not a PSO/PSU forum. Before what you just said, there was not a single mention of PSO grinding in this thread. Other people addressed it simply as grinding, not PSU grinding. You are the only person in this thread to sprout that difference, and you are doing it solely to be an overly-technical douchebag.


Goddamnit, you argue like my brother. He won't let anyone get their points in without being smacked with words that mask their meaning by being over-complex.


You never had a point in the first place, you just pointed out a technicality in my post and went from there.


You never had a life in the first place.

________
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[Agne]

ok well i usually let other ppl war but if he doesn't say it it's gotta be said. what words are masking their meaning by being overly-complex. it's pretty much self explanatory.

[Genobee]

We don't know what exactly luck effects. It's impossible to say what it does affect, until a devolper says what is does affect. Because I have Fail 5 syths in a row on a 3 star gun on a lvl 3 luck but made 3 cailburs in a row on that same day. I've failed grinds on a lvl 3 luck day and drops where the same as always.

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:47, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:44, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:43, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:37, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:32, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:29, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 16:27, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:41, Eternal_Drake wrote:

On 2006-11-29 15:27, Genobee wrote:
yea but grinding shoule be assures to atleast 3 or 4, Making a rare weapon and only to have it break during a lvl 2 grind is fucking stupid.


Giving away reward with no risk goes completely against the idea of grinding, which is why your idea is retarded.


Really?
I happen to remember Risk-free grinding in PSO.


Psu != Pso


You said it was against the idea of grinding, not PSU grinding. You used it as a general term. You fail.

PSO Ep. 1&2
there, happy?


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryoki on 2006-11-29 16:32 ]</font>

We are in a PSU forum, not a PSO/PSU forum. Before what you just said, there was not a single mention of PSO grinding in this thread. Other people addressed it simply as grinding, not PSU grinding. You are the only person in this thread to sprout that difference, and you are doing it solely to be an overly-technical douchebag.


Goddamnit, you argue like my brother. He won't let anyone get their points in without being smacked with words that mask their meaning by being over-complex.


You never had a point in the first place, you just pointed out a technicality in my post and went from there.


You never had a life in the first place.


Well, unless anyone else has a comment to the OP on this thread, can a mod go ahead and close this, since this thread is now obviously going to go nowhere?

[MXdude]

On 2006-11-29 15:18, Ether wrote:
I dont hate the guy who came up with grinding breaks

I hate the guy who decided that PSU needed synthing failures, AND grinding breaks. The grinding system seems to be completely pointless for A and S rank weapons, no one is going to gamble a 90k weapon with 60% synth chance for a little more ATP




But the ones who do, and are successful, will reap what im guessing on S ranks pretty darn good stat increases.

[Eternal_Drake]

On 2006-11-29 16:50, Genobee wrote:
We don't know what exactly luck effects. It's impossible to say what it does affect, until a devolper says what is does affect. Because I have Fail 5 syths in a row on a 3 star gun on a lvl 3 luck but made 3 cailburs in a row on that same day. I've failed grinds on a lvl 3 luck day and drops where the same as always.


http://psupedia.org/index.php?title=Luck
Luck only affects Weapon Grinding, and Item drop rates (in parties only the Luck of the leader is used). Partner Machineries have the same Luck as female Cast characters, but this isn't of any use.

[Genobee]

PSU pedia is user updated , it's all speculation, there no offical annoucmet on luck, so it's still up in the air.

[Ronzeru]

It's not stupid. It's all based on luck. That way we don't have every Tom Dick and Harry running around with a tricked out grindin' weapon, and only those with the balls and funds has those 6+ Star weapons grinded out the ass.