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Mag_Launcher

11-26-2002, 12:55 PM

You people don't want duping because YOUR "l337ness" will be severed.

"Oh no! I'm a legit high level greedy bastard and he has more rares than me! I hope he get's FSOD so I can be better than him again and laugh in his face, being the snooty fuckhead that I am, tee hee hee!"

"You wanna trade ME for this rare that I have? TOO BAD! You have nothing uber-rare that I've selectively picked in my head, so you can't have it, because I'M a greedy high level fuckhead! nyah nyah!"

You're ALL going down, you greedy pricks, WE'RE gonna settle the scores eventually.

I don't steal, and I don't PK/NOL/whatever. But I feel it's time to wipe that goddamn smirk off of your little greedy faces.

[ This Message was edited by: Mag_Launcher on 2002-11-26 10:58 ]

BonusKun

11-28-2002, 10:07 AM

Wow

Someone is a bit fucking testy arn't we?

Jesus I could care less what he fuck rares anyone else has. My only concern is good % weapons that I can use to punch my way through ultimate without having to worry if an Arlan is going to beat my ass into the ground.

Yes I have a shitload of rares on my ass but I've also givin away a shitload of rares to new players or those in need.

You shouldn't lump all High Level players into such an easy catagory.

As far as the duping goes I could give a fuuuuck about it. People are screaming that it's ruining the game for them and you know why?

Because someone has dat 1337 d0u813 C@nn0nz and you don't.

Hooray. I ended up finishing Version 2 on the DC and of course I never got to see all the rares in the game but I didn't care.

My only goal in PSO is just to have a good time and share a few laughs with some friend's.

serpent

11-28-2002, 03:01 PM

"Oh no! I'm a legit high level greedy bastard and he has more rares than me! I hope he get's FSOD so I can be better than him again and laugh in his face, being the snooty fuckhead that I am, tee hee hee!"

Hmm? i don't think i'm better because i have more rares, i think i'm better because i don't have to have those rares. Ya lose something in the game when everyone has the same strong wep that only the really really lucky are supposed to have.

"You wanna trade ME for this rare that I have? TOO BAD! You have nothing uber-rare that I've selectively picked in my head, so you can't have it, because I'M a greedy high level fuckhead! nyah nyah!"

Ya really lost me here.

You're ALL going down, you greedy pricks, WE'RE gonna settle the scores eventually.

I'm going down because of what, i prefer not to cheat? And there's a score now that YOU have to settle? and who the hell ever said i'm greedy?

I don't steal, and I don't PK/NOL/whatever. But I feel it's time to wipe that goddamn smirk off of your little greedy faces.

I have a smirk on my face? Why? And even if i did have a smirk on my face it would be because of your post. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Armok

12-10-2002, 01:57 PM

IF u dont dupe. Fine dont trade with ppl u dont trust.

IF u do take/makes dupes. Fine just enjoy them

IF other ppl having items unfairly makes u upset and/or ruins the game for u. U being legit for the wrong reasons.

Dont give me any 'ruins trading' stuff. It just ruins the comercial trading ie selling on ebay. U Still can trade proper with friends etc.

TeamPhalanx

12-10-2002, 02:41 PM

I... just... Am I the only one that's totally lost by some of the posts here? Cause a lot of 'em just don't make sense.

If you dupe legit items as a backup... Are you legit? - No. Are you doing something immoral? - Not really. If whatever you do only affects you, then it doesn't matter.

For all the freakin' morons out there, there are valid reasons that duping/cheating is bad; if you can overcome your own ignorance, you may come to realize some of those reasons. Just to give you a boost, I'll give you a couple things to think about:

Why do you think the servers are currently separated?

What happens when something rare no longer becomes rare, but is instead common?

Tavia

12-10-2002, 03:20 PM

On 2002-11-26 10:55, Mag_Launcher wrote:
You people don't want duping because YOUR "l337ness" will be severed.

"Oh no! I'm a legit high level greedy bastard and he has more rares than me! I hope he get's FSOD so I can be better than him again and laugh in his face, being the snooty fuckhead that I am, tee hee hee!"

"You wanna trade ME for this rare that I have? TOO BAD! You have nothing uber-rare that I've selectively picked in my head, so you can't have it, because I'M a greedy high level fuckhead! nyah nyah!"

You're ALL going down, you greedy pricks, WE'RE gonna settle the scores eventually.

I don't steal, and I don't PK/NOL/whatever. But I feel it's time to wipe that goddamn smirk off of your little greedy faces.

I really have no idea what he was trying to say.

You're not alone, Phalanx. If people have something to rant about, they should be a bit clearer... it's hard to comprehend someone's words when you can't even tell what side of the argument they're on, or what they're complaining about.

Vol_Opt

12-10-2002, 08:05 PM

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On 2002-11-26 10:55, Mag_Launcher wrote:
You people don't want duping because YOUR "l337ness" will be severed.

"Oh no! I'm a legit high level greedy bastard and he has more rares than me! I hope he get's FSOD so I can be better than him again and laugh in his face, being the snooty fuckhead that I am, tee hee hee!"

"You wanna trade ME for this rare that I have? TOO BAD! You have nothing uber-rare that I've selectively picked in my head, so you can't have it, because I'M a greedy high level fuckhead! nyah nyah!"

You're ALL going down, you greedy pricks, WE'RE gonna settle the scores eventually.

I don't steal, and I don't PK/NOL/whatever. But I feel it's time to wipe that goddamn smirk off of your little greedy faces.

[ This Message was edited by: Mag_Launcher on 2002-11-26 10:58 ]

.. Bzzt..

.. Analysis complete. Translating...

.. Mag_Launcher is upset that there have been high-level legits that have been difficult to deal with due to an overwhelming feeling of superiority that they acquired the item themself and therefore that makes them better than said poster. He wants duping to become a method of revenge toward those kind of players to show them that their rare isn't so special after all. This unit feels that may be the wrong way to go about solving the problem, but this unit can relate to this issue.

.. Bzzt.. Summary of points.. If you have a high-level rare.. Don't flaunt it..

Balthor

12-10-2002, 10:46 PM

You wanna know what I think about people who are so called "legit" and think people who use dupes are some sort of anti-christ and deserve to get rants like "I hope you die, and get run over by a car"?

They're fucking morons.

I always hated you fucking thick headed, arrogant, close-minded, evil sons of bitches. You can't get it through your 12 inch thick skulls that people that use dupes for fun, and don't have a cheat device aren't all bad people. But noooo. Most of you halfwits have to flame ANYONE in a thread that mentions a dupe, and flame them like the just did the worst possible thing. It's a fucking video game, it's peoples 50 fucking dollars, let them be. And ALL you (yes I'm generalizing, just how most of you legits do) have a VERY special place in my bowels just waiting to see the light of day.

Are you people that fucking insecure about how a god damn lump of polygon data was concieved? You make me sick. Oooooh, he has a double cannon, oooooh he didn't find that himself, let's make fun of him, and make him feel like shit.

And most of the time, these people don't say anything at first, it's you fucking legits who start the shit talking when someone says anything involving owning a dupe.

Honestly, I hope all of you rot in hell, and have you innards grinded into paste, and fed to Cerberus while your corpse is being torched by some molten sulfer.

Go ahead, I'm awating your one liners.

"*sigh* another hacker."

"he isnt legit, let's kill him and flame him."

Cause most of you idiots are followers, and have to "say" you're legit so you don't get flamed back. Fucking pathetic. C'mon, I'm waiting. Come at me with your brainless remarks.

I don't care how harsh this sounds, this is an extreme hate I for these kind of sewer urchins, and I really wish they could all be beaten in with a rusty anvil.

Merry fucking Christmas, I hope you all get a vile of smallpox in your stocking.

[ This Message was edited by: Balthor_The_Defiled on 2002-12-10 20:52 ]

RagMasterRappy

12-11-2002, 12:08 AM

On 2002-12-10 20:46, Balthor_The_Defiled wrote:
"I hope you die, and get run over by a car"?

I really wish they could all be beaten in with a rusty anvil.

Merry fucking Christmas, I hope you all get a vile of smallpox in your stocking.

Woo. Those are the funniest comments that I've seen all day! Hehe.

Tavia

12-11-2002, 07:04 AM

On 2002-12-10 20:46, Balthor_The_Defiled wrote:
You wanna know what I think about people who are so called "legit" and think people who use dupes are some sort of anti-christ and deserve to get rants like "I hope you die, and get run over by a car"?

They're fucking morons.

I think this is kind of funny. I do not think all of the people who use dupes in the world are evil or anything of the like, and I really don't care if they do or not. Why should I? If they want to play that way, more power to them.

Admittedly, though, the distribution of dupes does make it difficult to maintain an efficient online economy, especially since characters carrying duped items may be banned from servers in the future. This is really the only problem with it, in my opinion -- potential penalization that could remove from you your Hunter's License privledges. I play legitimately because a big fun factor in the game, to me, is discovering new weapons. I guess, for some people, the fun is getting to the next level, so that's why they would dupe.

Elsewhere, I've posted about how people who have a problem should just go off into their own game. Why care so much? All of your ranting and raving will not change a person. Quit getting yourself worked up, and go have fun doing your own thing. That's what you're supposed to do with a videogame.

However, to be honest, the people who seem to be on the offensive are those who do use dupes. While there is a general anti-duping sentiment here, the only people whom I have seen resorting to profanity-laden postings without much provoking are dupers themselves.

Me? As said, I really don't mind. I still enjoy finding specials on my own even if I already saw someone using one online or whatever. And I think everyone who whines about dupers "ruining" PSO should really get over it.

However, if those of you who do dupe want to be treated with a bit more respect, perhaps you should stop grouping every legitimate player into a generalized group and slandering them all. You're representing yourselves horribly, and generally coming off as trolls. If anything, that's probably why you're getting negative treatment.

Just my neutral two cents.

TeamPhalanx

12-11-2002, 09:26 AM

Dear Balthor_The_Defiled:

In response to your comments, I'd like to make/ask the following comments/questions.

Would you care to compare educational backgrounds too see who is in fact the moron?

Do you even realize the reason why we are legit and the reason why we don't like dupes? Going by the contents of your post, it certainly didn't appear that you do.

"Cerebus" is related to Greek/Roman Mythology. The term "Hell" is more closely associated with today's common religions. Innards are frequently associated with religions that are of the past, such as the ones practiced by the Aztecs. Sulfur has a relatively low melting point, just slightly higher than that of water's boiling point; thus, it wouldn't be the ideal substance to "torch" someone with. See, if you want to construct a sentence in which you relate things...

We do not use the term "hacker." We know better. The term "loser" & "lamer" are more apt.

Small Pox can be cured.

In closing: There's no better way to show how intelligent and poised you are by using profanity.

eRUPT

12-11-2002, 11:13 AM

And I'd rather the harshness quiet down, kinda irritating watching either side appoint themselves higher, and do so using moronic metaphors.

Anyhow cool it down, I hate locking threads for shit.

Balthor

12-11-2002, 05:30 PM

Harsh words for harsh people eRUPT.

Anyway. . .

Dear Phoolanx.

Don't mail me again, I don't like junk mail. Thanks.

Oh that was SO intelligent of you, how long did it take for you to scrounge up all that info from Yahoo? Couple of hours? Anyway.

Obviously twiddling away from my main point on how legits are assholes, and cry over a piece of data. Obviously, you fit in with the crowd.

"We?" I love how you say, "we". Generalizing your self with one group. But that's what your good at, generalizing, right?

Don't try and defend for your "kind" saying you don't call people hackers. You don't know what they all say. Seeing them running through lobbies, going "HACKER! YOUR NOT LEGIT!"

Don't stray away from this tweedle-dum, and trying to gather the history on the words of my post, that just makes you look fucking moronic. God damn pathetic.

I'm waaaaaaaiting. n_n

CheBo

12-11-2002, 05:57 PM

balthor, leave US be? In my past experiences it is the opposite, hackers and people with duped items wont leave the legits alone. It IS your 50 dollars, so go play in your own game away from people who want to play their way. Even if you just use dupes and dont even mess with other people (PK etc...), it is still annoying because a) you always steal ALL of the experience because you have an uber weapon and b)have a weapon that you dont deserve (In my personal opinion). You can play how you want, im not stopping you, but i just dont see the point in getting the best stuff and beating the game. Is there any challenge in that? wow you had the spread needle at lv 1 and used it the whole game w/ amazing percents, i bow down to you.
Edit: Phalanx, do you play the GC version, or still dreamcast v2? I played w/ you in ver.1 and would like to see a familiar face when i get online on the GC. I realize this is a different person playing than before on the DC though.

[ This Message was edited by: CheBo on 2002-12-11 16:07 ]

Balthor

12-11-2002, 07:25 PM

Did I say let US be? I said let THEM be, go re-read it Sherlock.

Oh really now? I didn't really see cheaters go "OMG your legit! Go die!", did you?

I mostly saw "you dirty high level person u, you probobly used gayshark U GHEY!"

Right. . . and you talk about people having super rares who don't deserve them, well WHO exactly deserves them? They're in the fucking game for a reason, for people to get their hands on them, one way or the other.

I say again, who deserves them? They don't have nametags on them saying they belong to someone now do they?

*yawn* c'mon, send some more sharpnel my way.

TeamPhalanx

12-11-2002, 07:31 PM

If you check out my other post, you'll noticed that I jumped from level 100 to level 109 in a day - I didn't have time to search this... yahoo that you talk about. The stuff I know come off of books and such; I'm one of those old fashioned people that prefer to visit the library when conducting research; that's exactly what I did for my term paper in Microbiology. Anyway, while it may take a being such as yourself to search for every piece of information, others rely on their memory for basic stuff.

LOL - Fit in with the crowd? I was probably, literally, the last legit in v2. If I wanted to fit in with the crowd I would have cheated. I've never been in a clan, and will probably never be, as I find them to be too artificial.

I'm a legit. And as an intelligent group we are, we communicate with each other and share our thoughts. And, we legits don't like cheating.

Feel free to CHECK EVERY SINGLE POST MADE BY YOURS TRULY IN THE PAST YEAR and beyond if you want. You'll NOT find ONE, NOT ONE POST(you getting this yet?) where I refer to the losers as "HACKERS." If you don't want to check, ask the people here. Odds are, you'll find more than one post where I try to define what a REAL hacker is. There is no hacker in PSO.

Me a moron?

Again, I'd like to bring up the subject of our educational backgrounds. Would you like to start by comparing GPAs or something like subject of study?

You keep avoiding the issue here - And, do keep in mind, you're the one that brought up the subject of intelligence, not me.

I'll make it REAL easy for you. Numbered questions.

1) What is your educational background?

2) Did you know that cross-platform play (DC and GC) was canceled because of cheating? (I can quote an article on this if you like)

3) Why do you think the servers are currently separted?

4) Why does SONIC TEAM keep putting up patches for things?

One last thing - actually, it's more of a request. Go around here, where the vast majority cheated on the DC versions, and ask people which system they prefer. One where virtually every single person has an item that can mow down enemies at will or one where people have to work together when fighting and have to trade for items that they want to obtain.

Here's another tip: How a person communicates reflects things such as their intelligence, poise, etc. You avoid topics you started, can't constructed proper parallel (in terms of thought, not grammar) sentence, and use profanity. I see great things for you in some field in the future; it's just that the field won't have anything to do with communcating with others.

Chebo - I never played version 1, only version 2.

War_Child

12-11-2002, 08:03 PM

Boom

[ This Message was edited by: War_Child on 2002-12-12 04:50 ]

LollipopLolita

12-11-2002, 11:13 PM

if people can't talk about this in a proper and matured way, please don't at all, i don't want to have to start shutting down topics.

RuneLateralus

12-11-2002, 11:37 PM

Ok, now I feel bad that I missed this...

Two admins have stepped in to keep the harshness down...next little harsh comment and this topic will get locked. Keep it to a discussion, not a personal argument!

EsperFlame

12-12-2002, 01:19 AM

Yeah, showing how one communicates can show how intelligent and poised one is. Me, I'm fairly poised and intelligent, but even things ge past me. Personally, I think this whole thread was a waste of the 10 mins it took me to read through it all. Also, I find alot of the language rude and vulgar andif vulgar language like this is allowedto be posted, I think PSO-World needs to put a Mature rating on the page. I also feel that the first post that had all the vulgar language should have hinted that this whole topic should have been locked, sealed, and deleted away.

Truthfully, duping is an issue that doesn't bother me one bit. I don't dupe, don't know how and I really don't care to know. But, I have noticed alot of people running around with some ultra rares that they probably have obtained through non-legal ways. In all honesty this really hurts no one excpet the person using the dupes.

Afterall, one of the biggest parts of this game is discovering a new rare you haven't had before. It really only begins to hurt other players if you go about distributing them. Some people have begun to trade stupid. I've had people expecting me to trade a 10-star rare for many of the common 9 star rares. It's almost pure idiocy thatthey would ever expect me to do such a thing. and I'm certainately not giving up a ton of P Drops for one rare. SureDrops aren't all that rare..but it takes ALOT of them to get the more fun rares with them.

So of course dupers tend to be frowned upon. They do damage the economy that Sonic Team designed. But, it's not like you truely care what we think anyway, because if you did you wouldn't be duping in the first place.

Balthor

12-12-2002, 01:35 AM

War Child, go away. kthx.

As of now Phalanx, I'm ignoring your posts, because they're just gonna be mile long essays from now on, and this is a message board, not an essay committee.

Intellingence? Since when did I bring this up? Because I said the word "MORON"?

Pfff, kid, don't give me this intelligence BS. I don't have to prove my self to the likes of... you. If you don't like it, go cry away in your bed.

Telling me I'm straying from the topic? Since when did intelligence become the topic?

Kid, you make no sense. I'm done with you. Your just gonna make me laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Trying way to hard to look "smart".

Go to http://www.thespark.com Phalanx, take the IQ test, maybe it'll make you feel like a BIG kid.

Vol_Opt

12-12-2002, 02:14 AM

.. Bzzt..

.. This unit observes a high degree of hostility within this thread..

.. First, to address irrelevant data.. Intelligence not argued in this topic.. Ethics and aspects of duping were initial topic.. War_Child's post irrelevant and unneeded.

.. Second, insult was first cast by TeamPhalanx.. This unit is not surprised by this data. Secondary insults included Balthor and irrelevant flame data posted by War_Child.

.. Analysis of topic complete. CheBo's statement of cheaters harassing legits is true, but the reverse is also true.. Both sides equally harassed..

.. Analysis of Rare Drops complete. This unit has spent well over 250 hours on the game.. Level 107.. This unit has yet to see any 10- or 11-star rares.. Played through to ULTIMATE RUINS.. This unit is getting dissatisfied with the incredible rarity of useful weaponry.. Still using Charge Vulcans.. Standard common weaponry.. The reasons for jealousy are valid.. Distribution of rares per SECTION ID unfair.. REDRIA, SKYLY and some ORAN players would agree..

.. Bzzt..

LollipopLolita

12-12-2002, 04:35 AM

this is enough, i am not talking about vulgarity or cuss words. i am talking about maturity level. if you guys cannot debate a subject without resorting to name calling and personal attacks, then we will have to stop this.

erupt already stepped in, i stepped in. rune the mod of this forum stepped in. how many warnings do you all need before you understand that while we allow and encourage such discussions, the personal attacks need to stop. it really does not help the discussion and makes all of you look ridiculous.

why is it that vol opt is the only one starting to making sense?

[ This Message was edited by: LollipopLolita on 2002-12-12 02:39 ]

eRUPT

12-12-2002, 04:41 AM

Ok next flame, I mean NEXT FLAME. You ALL recieve a warning count. Take note 2-3 warnings = Banning from the site. Take that as light or serious as you want. I'd definetly go for the later.

Have a problem? PM me about it to avoid yourself a unneeded warning count from comments that really don't ammount to anything worth it.

Yes I'm not locking yet, I actually want to see who's the first to show me their maturity level.

War_Child

12-12-2002, 06:25 AM

Eh.. might as well add to this.

Myself, I like the PSO economy so to say, there now being an actual reason to trade (Myself, I find more force junk and mechguns that aren't as useful to me anymore, to I NEED to trade).

Once dupings gets massively spread, that economy becomes ruined, and pretty much the only way you'll be able to get items you want/need is by being buddy buddy with someone that knows how to dupe. It was like this in the DC, and should that happen again in the GC it would probably be best to cancel my HL - I shell out 15 dollars a month (Canadian) for an expected cheat free, well maintained game, and this time I'm expecting it. Hopefully Sonic Team is able to put a permanent patch somehow to stop it (hopefully, but the chances of that are pretty slim).

Duping also ruins that "holy crap cool!" feeling of finding a rare you've never seen before. Duping makes the super rares so common, that PSO loses alot of fun from that missing component alone.

Thus dupng is bad, and if you're going to do it, please keep it to yourself.

TeamPhalanx

12-12-2002, 08:25 AM

On 2002-12-11 23:19, EsperFlame wrote:In all honesty this really hurts no one excpet the person using the dupes.

It really only begins to hurt other players if you go about distributing them.

Those are probably the big two statements in terms of being blind to the facts. These are FACTS:

1) Cross-Platform play was CANCELLED because of CHEATING.

2) Servers were seaprated because of CHEATING.

As a legit, I did nothing wrong. Yet, I still had to pay the price because others cheated. And note that I didn't even mention the ultra retarded acts such as RSOD and PK.

Balthor_The_Defiled - Just like everyone else, you refuse to back up your comments; big surprise.

Anyway, I've presented two FACTS that cheating hurts everyone, especially us legits. Now to the blind who defend cheating, I challenge you to presents FACTS that say otherwise. To quote my favorite character from FFX:

"You got proof? Show me proof."

Here's a final tip for you, Balthor_The_Defiled - It's futile to argue any point if you don't have any facts to back up your words while the other side does.

TeamPhalanx

12-12-2002, 08:30 AM

Oh, by the way, the Intelligence Quotient test is a test administered by qualified professionals, mainly by psychologists; I believe the kit itself costs around $1,000. The test is based on a well-known person's idea on intelligence. (forgot name) It's also known that it only measures 2 (or was it 3) aspects of a person's intelligence. A more popular theor on intelligence divide intelligence into 4 (or was it 5) aspects.

In other words, taking an IQ test online is like taking a real life driver's license exam by playing Crazy Taxi.

LollipopLolita

12-12-2002, 09:42 AM

while phalanx is right on the validity of online iq tests, we shall drop all the iq jabs. not needed at this point.

[ This Message was edited by: LollipopLolita on 2002-12-12 07:59 ]

Vol_Opt

12-12-2002, 02:28 PM

.. Engaging playback mode..

On 2002-12-12 06:25, TeamPhalanx wrote:

On 2002-12-11 23:19, EsperFlame wrote:In all honesty this really hurts no one excpet the person using the dupes.

It really only begins to hurt other players if you go about distributing them.

Those are probably the big two statements in terms of being blind to the facts. These are FACTS:

1) Cross-Platform play was CANCELLED because of CHEATING.

2) Servers were seaprated because of CHEATING.

As a legit, I did nothing wrong. Yet, I still had to pay the price because others cheated. And note that I didn't even mention the ultra retarded acts such as RSOD and PK.

Balthor_The_Defiled - Just like everyone else, you refuse to back up your comments; big surprise.

Anyway, I've presented two FACTS that cheating hurts everyone, especially us legits. Now to the blind who defend cheating, I challenge you to presents FACTS that say otherwise. To quote my favorite character from FFX:

"You got proof? Show me proof."

Here's a final tip for you, Balthor_The_Defiled - It's futile to argue any point if you don't have any facts to back up your words while the other side does.

.. Playback mode disengaged. Analysis complete..

.. Reasons for cheating that this unit has discerned from gameplay.. Duping for purposes of defense against harsher cheat methods then FSOD/BSOD and NOL is completely and perfectly valid. Failure to defend the player character from these attacks illicits no sympathy from this unit, as there are tools available for said defense.. This unit has also observed boredom in most long-term players. Urge to explore just how powerful their character can get natural and perfectly acceptable, so long as said character is left offline and does not tamper with the legitimate characters. As observed by this unit, cheats can EXTEND the replay value of games, as it allows you to test game limits and see just how powerful a character can become.. Unit also observes that cheating can be used for informational purposes, such as Item Finding research and Maximum Stat Limits for each class..

.. To summarize.. Cheating is a double-edged sword.. Few look at the potential uses for the legit community..

.. Bzzt..

[ This Message was edited by: Vol_Opt on 2002-12-12 12:30 ]

GimpyBoy

12-12-2002, 03:12 PM

The only actual use for cheating I have seen that benefits legit online users is having another pk capable player with you to kill the other pkers that come in your games. Ultimatly this does become a tiresome task and eventually it is truly best to simply play with other legit players that you can find.

Another plus for the Xbox version. Buddylists. Simply convince your friends to stop playing Unreal and to join ya. Hell yeah.

[ This Message was edited by: GimpyBoy on 2002-12-12 13:13 ]

Wewt

12-12-2002, 03:27 PM

In the end, it's just a matter of fighting fire with fire. It's best to not have any of it in the first place, everybody is happy then. Except the trouble makers, of course.

Jae

12-12-2002, 03:28 PM

.. To summarize.. Cheating is a double-edged sword.. Few look at the potential uses for the legit community..

You raise some good points Vol Opt. Personally, I see nothing wrong with cheating for "defense" against malicious people like NOLers, F/BSODers, etc.

However, you have to remember that for every one person who cheats for protection or research, there are about 200 other people who NOL, F/BSOD and pass out dupes just to make themselves feel important.

It's a double-edged sword, but it seems to me that the "legits" are trying to pick the lesser of two evils.

jello44

12-12-2002, 06:59 PM

Hmmmm let's see, cross-platform play was never canceled, it's not even possible, I just don't see it happening, two different systems, TOTALLY different specs, hell GC PSO looks a hell of a lot better than it's predicessor. Besides think about it, when v2 came out, the DC was already dead, GC wasn't out (in US anyway) and who is going to pay upwards of 200 to play a game that they can get for alot cheaper? I really would like to see this so called article, and just because there is ONE article, that doesn't necessarly mean that it is truth.

Secondly, yes I agree with you on that, this is also due to ST's laziness, they're the ones that fucked up royally, and someone expolited that mistake. It also proves that JP players cheat just as much as the US players do, I have experienced this as well, doing Cmode back in v2, but I really didn't care.

Anyway, I payed for my copy of my game and I am going to play it as I see fit. And if that means I want dupes, then I'm going to use them, will I try to dupe? Hell no, its too damn risky, I'm not throwing away 200+ hours just to try and dupe something I KNOW I can find within an hour or so. Until someone else buys me a copy of a game, I'm going to play it how I want to.

-sorry if this double posts, getting server errors :

zerohoax

12-14-2002, 02:24 PM

On 2002-12-12 00:14, Vol_Opt wrote:
.. Bzzt..

.. This unit observes a high degree of hostility within this thread..

.. First, to address irrelevant data.. Intelligence not argued in this topic.. Ethics and aspects of duping were initial topic.. War_Child's post irrelevant and unneeded.

.. Second, insult was first cast by TeamPhalanx.. This unit is not surprised by this data. Secondary insults included Balthor and irrelevant flame data posted by War_Child.

.. Analysis of topic complete. CheBo's statement of cheaters harassing legits is true, but the reverse is also true.. Both sides equally harassed..

.. Analysis of Rare Drops complete. This unit has spent well over 250 hours on the game.. Level 107.. This unit has yet to see any 10- or 11-star rares.. Played through to ULTIMATE RUINS.. This unit is getting dissatisfied with the incredible rarity of useful weaponry.. Still using Charge Vulcans.. Standard common weaponry.. The reasons for jealousy are valid.. Distribution of rares per SECTION ID unfair.. REDRIA, SKYLY and some ORAN players would agree..

.. Bzzt..

LMAO

Anyway if I were to tell everyone that I often sleep in my room with dreams of getting my hands on a non-duped Slicer of Assasin would you call my points moot and/or unrealistic?

Sincerely,
sir zero of hoax

Raz

12-15-2002, 02:01 PM

ok i didnt really understand why there was so much hostility.. the person who posted said nothing to diss pple that dupe, and mag_launcher has to get something started.. and then balthor decides hes gonna come in since he has someone backing him up... then he goes as far to say that i hoped he would get ran over by a car, and then lists a string of threats using profanity.... is it just me thats a little confused about this? there are also some pple that are nuetral about this! anyway i never called anyone a cheater bcuz there is NO CHEATING! its just a glitch in the game.... do it if you want but keep it to yourself! i think thats what everyone here is saying!!!!!

btw 4 someone who thinks hes such a BIG BOY your too old to be playing video games

TeamPhalanx

12-15-2002, 02:09 PM

On 2002-12-12 13:12, GimpyBoy wrote:
The only actual use for cheating I have seen that benefits legit online users is having another pk capable player with you to kill the other pkers that come in your games...

Completely disagree here. Neither I nor any other legits I've known have ever do such a disgraceful thing. Fighting fire with fire is just stupid.

Why is everyone in denial of the cross-platform compatibility? I can cite Yuki Naka himself and a published article (Game Informer). What have you got?

jello44

12-15-2002, 04:52 PM

On 2002-12-15 12:09, TeamPhalanx wrote:

Why is everyone in denial of the cross-platform compatibility? I can cite Yuki Naka himself and a published article (Game Informer). What have you got?

Yes, and I keep calling you out on this and yet you never cite it. What have I got, oh common sense comes to mind.

Ness

12-15-2002, 05:33 PM

Duping and all other forms of cheating suck! If you can't play PSO without cheating, then you're too stupid to play, period! I don't think you should dupe rares even for yourself; that's not what the game is about anyway. The most important thing in PSO is Experience Pionts. Why can't everyone realize that?

Vol_Opt

12-16-2002, 01:41 AM

.. Initiating playback mode..

On 2002-12-14 12:24, zerohoax wrote:

On 2002-12-12 00:14, Vol_Opt wrote:
.. Bzzt..

.. This unit observes a high degree of hostility within this thread..

.. First, to address irrelevant data.. Intelligence not argued in this topic.. Ethics and aspects of duping were initial topic.. War_Child's post irrelevant and unneeded.

.. Second, insult was first cast by TeamPhalanx.. This unit is not surprised by this data. Secondary insults included Balthor and irrelevant flame data posted by War_Child.

.. Analysis of topic complete. CheBo's statement of cheaters harassing legits is true, but the reverse is also true.. Both sides equally harassed..

.. Analysis of Rare Drops complete. This unit has spent well over 250 hours on the game.. Level 107.. This unit has yet to see any 10- or 11-star rares.. Played through to ULTIMATE RUINS.. This unit is getting dissatisfied with the incredible rarity of useful weaponry.. Still using Charge Vulcans.. Standard common weaponry.. The reasons for jealousy are valid.. Distribution of rares per SECTION ID unfair.. REDRIA, SKYLY and some ORAN players would agree..

.. Bzzt..

LMAO

Anyway if I were to tell everyone that I often sleep in my room with dreams of getting my hands on a non-duped Slicer of Assasin would you call my points moot and/or unrealistic?

Sincerely,
sir zero of hoax

.. Playback mode disengaged..

.. Analysis of topic inconclusive. Your post does not hold any relevance to the topic aside from an item that you want.. This unit will call your desire irrelevant and unneeded, due to a lack of any substantial contribution to the main topic..

.. Bzzt..

Maverynthia

12-16-2002, 03:01 AM

In response to the ORIGINAL message.

I feel if your duping (exploiting a bug in the game) for your personal security then thats good! It tells me your smart enough to think about all the n00bs that can kill your game and render your stuff history that you worked hours on. I mean, it's like copying an original document because you don't want the original to get lost or stolen.

I really don't like when people give away, sell or trade their rares as the game gets unbalanced. I had this with my HUmar Koujiro, he had a set of needles and I used them A LOT. But, when I lost some of those needles through a BSOD and a one through a Dark Force trip, I found out that having the best item wasn't doing justice and that the game was not fun anymore.You just run around and everything dies..big whoop....
Now Koujiro is hacking through Ultimate V2 with his Red Sabre +11 that he found legitly! And getting killed my those Moth Mant evil things...

Elusive_Llama

12-16-2002, 09:32 AM

I had bought the GC version because I thought it would be cheat free...apparently not so. How do I know? There are illiterate dupers on the trade forum with extremely suspicious tradelists filled with so much rare stuff in the little time GC-PSO has been out for. I won't name names, but it's really quite obvious who they are. You only have to go look at their posts and replies to find out.

In one game I saw a guy with a double cannon and god battle...when asked where he got the cannon, he spouted out pre-typed sentences explaining he traded 40 pdrops and a sacred cloth for it. Umm..hello? Double cannon is worth 40 pdrops and a sacred cloth since when? Dupe.

Just the other day, I saw two people in a row with BMKBs, and one of them was trying to trade his. In fact, when he learnt I had a demo comet, he said something to the effect of 'demo comet sucks'. Riiiiight....demo comet sucks because he probably has 50 dupes in the bank and he can be using a double cannon instead, so why bother with demo comet?

Seeing as I found the friggin' thing myself legitly, I find that extremely offensive.

So anyways, duping offline for your own pleasure is okay, but it is not okay to bring the items online and trade them to people for more legit stuff so you can have a bigger dupe list. Because it's hard to police that sort of behaviour, I conclude that duping offline or online should not be allowed.