Need link to weapon grind info

[ViciousXUSMC]

Hey need to plan ahead on my weapon selection for the patch. I know there is a grind chart on the psupedia for the luck levels and grind chances thats not what I need.

I need a chart that shows the stats of a weapon at each grind level.

Most importantly a 6* tomoirod at each level and its stats and also the base stats for the 8* Meirod.

If the last few levels are not too significant on the tomoi I may not break a bunch of rods trying to get it, and if the grinded state is close to or beats the meirod I know not to try to make them.



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[Dj_SkyEpic]

Dont have one of those >.>

[Itsuki]

http://suimasen.sakura.ne.jp/aaaphp/
(wait, isn't that the same jp wiki thats used for everything else? [/sarcasm])

On a lighter note:
Tomoirod:
Upgrade amount, PP, change in PP, TP, change in TP
+1 1142 26 446 11
+2 1160 18 457 11
+3 1173 13 474 17
+4 1163 13 495 21
+5 1199 13 516 21
+6 1212 13 529 13
+7 1225 13 542 13
+8 1238 13 555 13
+9 1272 34 568 13
+10 1324 52 581 13

Rodec (6* kubara rod, not available for quite a few updates, but might as well include it)
+1 1210 39 346 20
+2 1237 27 366 20
+3 1256 19 398 32
+4 1275 19 437 39
+5 1294 19 476 39
+6 1313 19 500 24
+7 1332 19 524 24
+8 1351 19 548 24
+9 1403 52 572 24
+10 1480 77 596 24

Meirod: 1260 PP, 575 TP

[ViciousXUSMC]

it was linked once upon a time... its japanese and it wasnt fully completed yet but it had most of th weapons...

On another note: I may have found a weapon that will solve my needs for both A and B rank weapons http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Just took a look at the psupedia weapon list for rods too see if they had added grinding info, and saw there is a kubara version of the 6* rod http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

That means I keep my PP refill cost of the B rank, but also get a new model wich was the main reason I wanted A rank.

I thought sombody said only the 6* gun boards could be subed with kub wood, so is this not a sub for the tomoirod board? or is it?



edit: lol you posted about the kub rod while I was typing. Thanks ! so is it a seperate board all togheter? or they just add the function to sub wood into the tomoi board?


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[Nani-chan]

Meh, you'll have to forgive us. It's harder to navigate then say PSU weapon viewer, which has engrish links. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
Psu wiki links get translated to squares or stuff like A5%B4%A4% otherwise not translated at all.



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[Dj_SkyEpic]

http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/wond/wondrak00.jpg

One of the Kubara type wands. Very sexay~



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[Dj_SkyEpic]

On 2006-12-05 20:50, Nani-chan wrote:
Meh, you'll have to forgive us. It's harder to navigate then say PSU weapon viewer, which has engrish links. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
Psu wiki links get translated to squares or stuff like A5%B4%A4% otherwise not translated at all.



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Yea http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif That's why I dont usually check the JP wiki. I cant read JP kanji and etc. XD XD

[Itsuki]

They're just black colored rods / wands. Same with the 6* and 8* guns.

My understanding is, after you beat Dark Fakis, theres an NPC that sells the boards for melee and force 6* and 8* rods. So, yes, its a lot of updates away. Guns you can just swap the wood though.

[ViciousXUSMC]

Well thanks Itsuki I have scattered alot of questions in like 3 or 4 threads but you pretty much answered all of them.

I will be sticking with the 6* rod and grinding it toe +9/10 instead of going for the 8* rod at this time.

If the grinding gods hate me and I break like 10+ of them, at that time I may try to craft the 8* http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Oh well last question do you know the PP recharge cost diffrence from B to A rank?

[Itsuki]

No clue really. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif Its more... thats about all I can say. I'd say its safe to consider it double. But thats about all I can say.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

I've always thought that the greater the pp, the greater the bill on your charge.

I've also thought that there wasnt a difference in cost per weapon, just the PA's cost that shows a difference o.o

(*Like for example.Different weapons doesnt matter. a gun with 400 pp would charge for... 180meseta while a gun with 800pp would charge for 360meseta if they were to be both emptied.)

Someone shed some light here? ; ;



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[Remedy]

I think it's more a formula of:

Star Rarity * Rank Modifier * PP restored

Or something like that. No idea, really.

[ViciousXUSMC]

PP refill takes into considerationg 2 things.

1.) the amount of pp being refilled
2.) the rank of your weapon

you should have notcied a generous increase in cost when you went from C rank to B rank weapons.


Given that you can see the info above on how a grinded 6* beats a not grinded 8* rod they are equal I say. But when you think how much PP a force uses (especially solo) the cost over time of moving from B to A rank weapons really need to be taken into consideration. I run a 700 mesta bill on average in a group game and can hit 1400+ when I solo.

if it was double, that would pretty much take my solo game and kill it.



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[Dj_SkyEpic]

This calls for some drastic testing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[ViciousXUSMC]

All I can say is look to my shop for you tomoi rods http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

that is after i get done breaking enough of them for myself.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Here's my experiment.
I will use my current weapon and a freshly bought wandra.
I will SPAM 5 barta with each rod, and refill pp after 1 is done, then compare their bill prices.
*This will be hard since PP regenerates before I can run into a charger.


My Barta stats:
PP cost:13
Tech: 120%


Stats of the weapons in the experiment:

Cane+5 (5* Wand)
PP: 673
Tech:403
TP req.:169

Test Results:
PP after: 622
Bill price: 8 meseta

Wandra+0 (1* wand)
PP:445
Tech:51
TP req.:21

Test Results:
PP after:397
Bill price:1 meseta

Conclusion: Yea. You're right. The lower the rank of the weapon will give you an advantage over costly bills. XD



Oh dont worry about me and tomoirods... I have a 450 with alot of rare mats already stored to synth those Meirods and granarods XD XD

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[ViciousXUSMC]

just look at the weps stats in your inventory take the pp missing and the cost and divide it out and you will get a number that corisponds to a ratio.

that number should be the same for all weapons of the same rank.

then you can use that number and find the cost to refill any weapon of that rank just by mulitplying.

for example

weapon has 120pp total you use 20 so its at 100/120 pp and it cost 100 meseta to refill.

Thats 100 divided by 20 you get 5. 5 is the amount per PP

if you had a 200pp weapon and used 40 pp it would be 160/200 and it costed 200 mesta to refill.
200 divided by 40 you get 5 again. So it would confirm that it stays the same and with that core number 5 you can find the PP refill cost of any weapon of that rank just by taking the PP missing mutiplied by 5.


yeah i know your a rich mofo and stocked up on mats, I didnt have that advantage as I am still raising my 450 and it took all my shoping money. I have mats to make a granarod maybe but not the stuff for a meirod.

I did get mats to make a good amount of tomoirods tho about 50 of each mat.



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[Dj_SkyEpic]

shooo. I havent even completed my 450 so you're not alone. Mine is still at lvl 85. I'll be very poor if I start her again...

[ViciousXUSMC]

yeah :/ im gonna make a set of tomoirods +4/5 and use that untill i have the cash to replace them if they break and push them to +9/10 thats my goal. I think the money saved on PP will make it worth it.

I might try one meirod board just for the heck of it when I have the money, at like 100k just for the board i wont be trying anytime soon.

I have to look into the wand stats too, as I wont use but 3 rods, and 2 wands. so gotta figure out if the GRM 6* beats out the yomehie 8*

[ViciousXUSMC]

Hmm I looked it up guess whats the best wand to have if your gonna grind +9/10??

Tenora!!! cool http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif that means I will probably look diffrent than most forces because I wouldnt touch a tenora wand with a 10 foot pole due to its massivly low PP, but grinded it has both the highest PP and a slightly higher TP.

Too bad GRM will be cheaper to make tho, since par ash is dirt cheap somtimes vs say mot ash or neu ash.

Given that I may still make GRM wands, its not a massive diffrence.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Well, you're not really alone. I plan to carry 1 tenora,2 GRM, 1 Yohmei of wands category.

Then I plan to get those high rods. Both Tenora ( But if that Kubara rod, Rodoc, is out I will try to max it to +10 to see if it has any crazy value.)

[ViciousXUSMC]

I dont think the whole upgrade process will make us much stronger anyways :/ your looking at like what a 200 tp increase with the 8* rod? with a base TP total of like 1600 or somthing thats not a big boost in damage its just somthing extra.

Our real power will come from new spells, wich at this rate it will be a long time till we have them all.

[Itsuki]

Higher ranks give diminishing returns when grinding. Atleast I would assume so. Heres my supporting evidence:
1) Online, C-rank weapons tend to gain 30% more when grinding, compared to B-rank
2) Offline, C and B rank weapons tend to gain 30% more when grinding, compared to A and S

So, grinding a C-rank rod gives you about 200 TP. Its like 145 for B-rank. I would close to 100 for A-rank.

[ViciousXUSMC]

It will cost more for A rank grinders too, who knows how much more.

[Kuya]

English? Are you looking for something like this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68322311@N00/314562525/

I created it off the jp wiki and had a another thread that had the megaupload link removed for whatever reason. If you want the chart PM me. C ranked is based off of mostly 3* so 1-2 will be a little off and B rank is based mostly off of 6* so 4-5 may be slightly off.