Grinded Twin Harisen Fans...

[demekanized]

I just grinded my battle fans to 6. Maybe its just me and my inexperience with grinding, but it seems like it didn't upgrade *that* well (for being a "great" Kubara product). Also I am a Fortetecher (mostly made it just for the novelty, maybe an alt char or sell it in shop), and may be underestimating it as a melee weapon. Anyways here are the stats:

Twin Harisen Fans
Kubara Product (6)
PP : 241/ 241
Att. : 141
Acc. : 99
Light : 24%

Maybe the upgrade is mostly in the PP, that seems pretty high. Anyone have thoughts on this?

[Laranas]

Only Kubara weaps that are made by synthing Kubara Wood into another board grind well

[DummieAcount]

On 2006-12-16 17:13, Laranas wrote:
Only Kubara weaps that are made by synthing Kubara Wood into another board grind well



Not true. Flouresant bulb grinds very well.

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-16 17:31, DummieAcount wrote:

On 2006-12-16 17:13, Laranas wrote:
Only Kubara weaps that are made by synthing Kubara Wood into another board grind well



Not true. Flouresant bulb grinds very well.

Thats what I heard when it first came out but nowdays people are singing a different song. Never checked the stats myself, though

[Superlooper5]

I Grind My Bulb Frequently And I've seen big stat growth

[Delinguaniss]

Me too, although I don't plan on grinding my bulbs past three, I just have one more bulb to grind up that far. But for the fans, they'll be remaining at three too. I just hope my last fan comes out correctly and it grinds successfully. But I made the fan cause it looks good on my characters. I can't wait for my CAST to don his ice style fan...

[Laranas]

I decided to look into it since you guys said it grinded well... here are the stats:

Florescent Bulb:
Grind - PP - ATP
+1 - 163 - 207
+2 - 174 - 232
+3 - 185 - 245
+4 - 196 - 258
+5 - 207 - 271
+6 - 214 - 288
+7 - 221 - 305
+8 - 228 - 312
+9 - 235 - 325
+10 - 242 - 350

(Note: A Buster at +10 is 265 PP, 388 ATP)

Still think it grinds well?

[Rizen]

What about ATA? I remember hearing that Kubara weapons gain ATA as they are grind as well.

[Laranas]

They don't, but most Kubara weaps start out with higher ATA than their equivilent.

[Ryoki]

On 2006-12-17 08:34, Laranas wrote:
I decided to look into it since you guys said it grinded well... here are the stats:

Florescent Bulb:
Grind - PP - ATP
+1 - 163 - 207
+2 - 174 - 232
+3 - 185 - 245
+4 - 196 - 258
+5 - 207 - 271
+6 - 214 - 288
+7 - 221 - 305
+8 - 228 - 312
+9 - 235 - 325
+10 - 242 - 350

(Note: A Buster at +10 is 265 PP, 388 ATP)

Still think it grinds well?




uhm, yes, since its a 3 star weapon XD

[Randomness]

The fan has a status condition attached, so you need to take that into account.

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-17 12:08, Ryoki wrote:

On 2006-12-17 08:34, Laranas wrote:
I decided to look into it since you guys said it grinded well... here are the stats:

Florescent Bulb:
Grind - PP - ATP
+1 - 163 - 207
+2 - 174 - 232
+3 - 185 - 245
+4 - 196 - 258
+5 - 207 - 271
+6 - 214 - 288
+7 - 221 - 305
+8 - 228 - 312
+9 - 235 - 325
+10 - 242 - 350

(Note: A Buster at +10 is 265 PP, 388 ATP)

Still think it grinds well?




uhm, yes, since its a 3 star weapon XD

The Buster I compared it to is the GRM 3* weapon, meaning it starts lower than a normal 3* and ends lower than a normal 3*.

[Metempsychic]

...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-17 15:31, Metempsychic wrote:
...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

A +10 Alteric (6*) is better than a 9* Bow. Fact.

[Randomness]

On 2006-12-17 15:35, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:31, Metempsychic wrote:
...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

A +10 Alteric (6*) is better than a 9* Bow. Fact.



Actually, both the Rokusairi and Uruateri are more accurate. So you're wrong. A Hanmateric, on the other hand...

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-17 15:37, Randomness wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:35, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:31, Metempsychic wrote:
...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

A +10 Alteric (6*) is better than a 9* Bow. Fact.


Actually, both the Rokusairi and Uruateri are more accurate. So you're wrong. A Hanmateric, on the other hand...

By a decent amount of ATA, but I don't see myself missing with an Alteric and either way it still proves the point. An Alteric grinded (not even to +10) can run circles around the 6* bow. Well, maybe not circles... it's about 50 ATP more powerful and has the ATA difference than the +10 6*, but at least it IS more powerful than the 'normal' weapons in its tier.

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[Choja]

On 2006-12-17 15:40, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:37, Randomness wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:35, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:31, Metempsychic wrote:
...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

A +10 Alteric (6*) is better than a 9* Bow. Fact.


Actually, both the Rokusairi and Uruateri are more accurate. So you're wrong. A Hanmateric, on the other hand...

By a decent amount of ATA, but I don't see myself missing with an Alteric and either way it still proves the point. An Alteric grinded (not even to +10) can run circles around the 6* bow.

And that, my friend, can be tweaked with. ;D
If you have an Alteric that you can use instead of the other 6* bow that's +10'd, then you've got yourself a great weapon. You could use a super-grinded Harisen Fan or Bulb and still kick butt as a Ranger or Force (though it's not recommended). If you can use Rank A bows and grinder As actually get in, then you can make a low requirement powerful Hanmateric and laugh at people as you shoot things with a black bow. I have no idea about Tengoh Bow though.

[Randomness]

On 2006-12-17 15:46, Choja wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:40, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:37, Randomness wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:35, Laranas wrote:

On 2006-12-17 15:31, Metempsychic wrote:
...Why would SEGA put items into the game that are so much better than any other item of it's tier? I hightly doubt that there is any item would be so much better as to make it the "be all end all" that everyone would end up using.

Theres a reason why there are multiple manufacturers.

A +10 Alteric (6*) is better than a 9* Bow. Fact.


Actually, both the Rokusairi and Uruateri are more accurate. So you're wrong. A Hanmateric, on the other hand...

By a decent amount of ATA, but I don't see myself missing with an Alteric and either way it still proves the point. An Alteric grinded (not even to +10) can run circles around the 6* bow.

And that, my friend, can be tweaked with. ;D
If you have an Alteric that you can use instead of the other 6* bow that's +10'd, then you've got yourself a great weapon. You could use a super-grinded Harisen Fan or Bulb and still kick butt as a Ranger or Force (though it's not recommended). If you can use Rank A bows and grinder As actually get in, then you can make a low requirement powerful Hanmateric and laugh at people as you shoot things with a black bow. I have no idea about Tengoh Bow though.



Tengoh is somewhat weak, but has a lot of PP.
Alteric and Hanmateric have higher ATA, but start with lower ATP, though the ATP grinds up nicely.

However, actually GETTING an Alteric +10...

All things considered, it could easily be cheaper to purchase an 8*, if you can use it, because grinding an Alteric to +10 could get really expensive.

[Laranas]

Yes, it could but I had some luck on my side making mine, which was 3 luck in game and some luck getting a good deal of B+10 Grinders from my pile Grinder Bases. Considering you can get your bows to +5 without using the B+10's, you only need 4 or 5 Alterics to get at least 1 to +10. From +9->+10 is a 63% chance on 3 luck with a B+10.

But in most cases you don't end up that lucky synthing grinders. So in those cases, buying the 8* would be cheaper... especially with melee weapons since they have %s and so on.

[Randomness]

On 2006-12-17 15:59, Laranas wrote:
Yes, it could but I had some luck on my side making mine, which was 3 luck in game and some luck getting a good deal of B+10 Grinders from my pile Grinder Bases. Considering you can get your bows to +5 without using the B+10's, you only need 4 or 5 Alterics to get at least 1 to +10. From +9->+10 is a 63% chance on 3 luck with a B+10.

But in most cases you don't end up that lucky synthing grinders. So in those cases, buying the 8* would be cheaper... especially with melee weapons since they have %s and so on.



Well, the melee weapons dont have Kubara variants either.

And force weapons... well, it takes a fair bit of upgrade to make a real difference... Considering base TP for newman forces is huge.

I still use Slyrods at level 52.

[Arislan]

0 luck with a B+10 is 63%, not 3 luck. You've got a better chance than 63% with 3 luck, but we're not sure exactly what that chance is.

[Laranas]

Yea, I only had about 100 dmg more than a Force I played with, and my TP nearly tripled his he said (I had 1400 at the time)... so I don't think TP on a Rod/Cane helps too much

[Laranas]

On 2006-12-17 16:06, Arislan wrote:
0 luck with a B+10 is 63%, not 3 luck. You've got a better chance than 63% with 3 luck, but we're not sure exactly what that chance is.

I was pretty sure that chart was for 3 luck since on 0 luck I fail all the time at places like +6 with high grinders... well, then you can probably do it with 3 Alterics if you wait for a 3 luck day

[Arislan]

The PSU Bible doesn't state luck levels in its charts, and 0 luck matches with Tycho's thread of the statements compared to percentages, so I'm pretty sure it's 0 luck. It wouldn't make much sense for the strategy guide to list an occurrence of data that only happens every now and then as the standard number in any case, though, which is another pointer towards zero luck.



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