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SuperRygar
Dec 26, 2006, 04:43 PM
Simply turn the sound OFF

Even in parties of 6 there's no lag at all. Of course, the experience of fighting is weakened. But for me, the lag time was worse. I shut my sound off weeks ago and never looked back. Apparently turning the music off helps too. Experiment for yourselves.
Now you know!
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Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 04:44 PM
Or you could, y'know, upgrade to PC?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

JAFO22000
Dec 26, 2006, 04:48 PM
Is it still a guarantee if spelled incorrectly??? because you can gaurantee anything...

SuperRygar
Dec 26, 2006, 04:54 PM
HAHA

i even googled it for the correct spelling!! slight oversight on my part

and 1 key thing that Garnet_Moon missed is that this thread is directed to PS2 players http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Tsukishima-Ruriko
Dec 26, 2006, 05:02 PM
Some of us can't afford to upgrade our computers to run the PC version that well. >_>

Will try the no sound thing later. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

SuperRygar
Dec 26, 2006, 05:05 PM
ok, sorry Garnet_Moon, i thought you said 'upgrade your PC'

but yeah, id choose no sound over 100's of dollars anyday

heh

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Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 05:16 PM
On 2006-12-26 14:05, SuperRygar wrote:
ok, sorry Garnet_Moon, i thought you said 'upgrade your PC'

but yeah, id choose no sound over 1000's of dollars anyday


Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.

SuperRygar
Dec 26, 2006, 05:20 PM
still, id never buy a new pc just to play this game up speed when i could just take off the sound. that would be such a waste of money

i created this thread to inform PS2 users of my workaround, not to discuss ways of switching over to PC

but thanks for your input http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Pure-chan
Dec 26, 2006, 05:23 PM
Neat work around, anyone verify it yet? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

SuperRygar
Dec 26, 2006, 05:27 PM
i discovered by complete accident. I was on the phone while playing and i didnt want to get up, so i went to the options to turn down the sound. and it wasnt until later that i realized there's no lag! *pats self on back

Pure-chan
Dec 26, 2006, 05:29 PM
Yeah really http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif I'm on PC, but about 80% of my friends will be happy to hear this.

SonicTMP
Dec 26, 2006, 05:33 PM
On 2006-12-26 14:16, Garnet_Moon wrote:

On 2006-12-26 14:05, SuperRygar wrote:
ok, sorry Garnet_Moon, i thought you said 'upgrade your PC'

but yeah, id choose no sound over 1000's of dollars anyday


Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.



HAHAHAHAHAHA! with those specs you'll be about as powerful as a PS2.

PS2 $129.99 + PSU $49.99 = $179.89
Thats affordable for your average gamer. And you usually have a couple TV's in the house to use so no charge there.

Now take the emachine idea $299 (intro level model) + vid card $100 + Monitor $100 + PSU $49.99 = $548.99

If you get a packaged monitor deal with it you save like 40 bucks. Thats to run PSU at like basic (about as good as PS2) level. Your talking 1200+ if you want a machine that can handle it at at max power.

Reality is that you want a gamming computer you need to spend phat lewt to get it.

JAFO22000
Dec 26, 2006, 05:38 PM
On 2006-12-26 14:16, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.



...for the next 5 days.

Ronzeru
Dec 26, 2006, 05:50 PM
On 2006-12-26 14:38, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2006-12-26 14:16, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.



...for the next 5 days.



QFT

Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 06:27 PM
Well I never said it'd be a good computer. It'll run PSU without hiccups on dirt low settings. >.>

watashiwa
Dec 26, 2006, 07:32 PM
Topic needs to be more about whether or not the suggestion works or not.. instead of how much it'll cost to get a PC that runs PSU.

(Besides $100 video card good running all current games? Not effing likely, bro.)

Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 07:38 PM
On 2006-12-26 16:32, watashiwa wrote:
Topic needs to be more about whether or not the suggestion works or not.. instead of how much it'll cost to get a PC that runs PSU.

(Besides $100 video card good running all current games? Not effing likely, bro.)


(Clearly you don't know what "Shopping around" means.)

watashiwa
Dec 26, 2006, 07:49 PM
On 2006-12-26 16:38, Garnet_Moon wrote:
(Clearly you don't know what "Shopping around" means.)



I do know what "Shopping around" means.

Unless you're buying a really great video card used from a friend or some spectacular deal on eBay, a $100 video card is not going to be good.

You're looking at about at least double that price for "good" performance, especially if you're talking about PSU and it's horribly optimized code =P.

The NVIDIA 7600 GS PCI-E (or AGP variant) is still about $199.99 and I've used that card with PSU. It runs the game at a decent 60fps @ 800x600 but can only handle 30fps at 1024x768 (with occasional slowdown here and there.. don't bother with 1280x1024)

They had a sale, though, for the 7900 GS for $199.99 which is a much better card.. but for $100.00 You're stuck with the 7300 in the Nvidia side or the X1300 at the ATI side. (If we're talking brand new video cards..)

Both of those cards aren't shit for any of the current games out.. go check some benchmarks.

But yeah, if you mean shopping around for open box or used things, perhaps you might find a deal for $100.. but brand new? Get real.

Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 08:18 PM
Some people don't need the best graphics to enjoy games. And I never said it had to be brand new.

$100 is all you need. Anything higher is luxury.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

SonicTMP
Dec 26, 2006, 08:23 PM
On 2006-12-26 17:18, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Some people don't need the best graphics to enjoy games. And I never said it had to be brand new.

$100 is all you need. Anything higher is luxury.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



And thus thats why they are on the ps2. not as good graphics, little bit of lag but hey it works.

Garnet_Moon
Dec 26, 2006, 08:24 PM
On 2006-12-26 17:23, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2006-12-26 17:18, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Some people don't need the best graphics to enjoy games. And I never said it had to be brand new.

$100 is all you need. Anything higher is luxury.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



And thus thats why they are on the ps2. not as good graphics, little bit of lag but hey it works.




True. People make do with what they have to survive. PSU is no different I guess.

WrathOfMegid
Dec 26, 2006, 08:28 PM
SOOooo....... Does the sound thing work? At all? Anyone?
I hear angry voices... MOMMY!

Merumeru
Dec 26, 2006, 08:46 PM
XD hey this shit actually makes a noticable difference, thanks!

rena-ko
Dec 26, 2006, 08:49 PM
can you switch music off seperately for the ps2 ver? i do that for the pc ver and it saves a lil bit of CPUtime.

Dhylec
Dec 26, 2006, 08:58 PM
Yes, PS2 can switch music off independently from Sfx. I have yet to notice the difference. Perhaps, a crowded game would help to determine. ;]

AzureBlaze
Dec 26, 2006, 11:45 PM
I am SO going to try this.
I am sick of lagging on the ps2. Do you verify if this stops the lag of "Someone else equips a diff wep so the game RELOADS your CURRENT wep, making you not able to use it for like 6 seconds and get clobbered"? I HATE that thing so bad, and it's new too...so they've done something to cause this. It was bad enough wepswitch takes an age, this is the cherry (of EVIL) on top.

But I also find it curious that the SFX could really have that much of an effect. I mean...how hard is it for a system to do? I have no idea about code or anything...but maybe it's just some bizzarre edge that it needs.

Flamingo99
Dec 26, 2006, 11:57 PM
hmm...... I will try this to...

It sucks being a force and waiting for your Rod to load resta while your party is dying right in front of you.

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 12:00 AM
so far I've noticed some slowdown when there are mobs on the ground, but the weapon load time is NOTICABLY speeded up - I've yet to have any real problem like I did before. And I am a huge weapon switcher.

So yes, this does help a great deal.

Divanti
Dec 27, 2006, 12:01 AM
On 2006-12-26 14:33, SonicTMP wrote:

On 2006-12-26 14:16, Garnet_Moon wrote:

On 2006-12-26 14:05, SuperRygar wrote:
ok, sorry Garnet_Moon, i thought you said 'upgrade your PC'

but yeah, id choose no sound over 1000's of dollars anyday


Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.



HAHAHAHAHAHA! with those specs you'll be about as powerful as a PS2.

PS2 $129.99 + PSU $49.99 = $179.89
Thats affordable for your average gamer. And you usually have a couple TV's in the house to use so no charge there.

Now take the emachine idea $299 (intro level model) + vid card $100 + Monitor $100 + PSU $49.99 = $548.99

If you get a packaged monitor deal with it you save like 40 bucks. Thats to run PSU at like basic (about as good as PS2) level. Your talking 1200+ if you want a machine that can handle it at at max power.

Reality is that you want a gamming computer you need to spend phat lewt to get it.



Well hell, if you were going to do all of that you might as well just get a 360 and call it a day...

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 12:19 AM
Correction: it works REALLY FUCKING WELL.

I was switching from my double handguns to a wand/card combo to cure a friend in trouble - accidentally got my dagger/card combo, did a PA with the dagger RIGHT AWAY (no load wait times), then switched to the wand and cured my friend, all in the span of about 3 seconds...

AND I HADN'T USED ANY OF THOSE WEAPONS BEFORE IN THE STAGE AT ALL.


You have my thanks, friend. and I was getting bored of the music anyway...

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 12:28 AM
And Garnet_Moon, your advice can be summed up to:

"Oh, PS2 sucks! So why not pay 3 times as much for a computer that doesn't run the game even as badly as PS2 does, and that has a chance of crashing and dying due to lousy gameguard patches!"

Seriously STFU if you have nothing constructive to say.

Alisha
Dec 27, 2006, 02:08 AM
i had thought about getting the pc version but i think the amount i'd have to spend to get a comfortable pc set up wouldnt be worth it.

DRO
Dec 27, 2006, 02:10 AM
DOES THE GAURANTEE COME WITH A WARRANTY? HAHAHAH 360 FTW!!


j/k

Axel3792
Dec 27, 2006, 02:20 AM
C'mon guys, get on topic.

This is an awesome tip. Thanks Rygar http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

DRO
Dec 27, 2006, 02:33 AM
On 2006-12-26 23:20, Axel3792 wrote:
C'mon guys, get on topic.

This is an awesome tip. Thanks Rygar http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif




Is it a dramatic improvement?

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 02:36 AM
It is a very good improvement, yes - not "Well, it matches a $3,000 dollar computer setup at last, haha" improvement but still quite noticable. Weapon switching lag is reduced to a bare minimum, and that 2 minute wait at the beginning of levels waiting for everyone to spawn is almost gone, maybe 10-15 seconds tops...

Man, who knew the solution was so simple? ^_^

PaladinRPG
Dec 27, 2006, 02:52 AM
Sometimes it's the little things that can be overlooked. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

vfloresjr24
Dec 27, 2006, 03:14 AM
thats a cool Idea. I use to do that during my dc/gc days of pso. I would put my cd i mix up and listen to some good heavy metal and make new holes into some boomas.

A2K
Dec 27, 2006, 03:35 AM
I'm trying to wrap my head around as to why this works. Does it free up some memory? CPU cycles? Maybe the PS2 version streams music from the disc?

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 03:46 AM
The magical PS2 pixie-goblins really detest the music in PSU, so in revenge for subjecting them to it they slow your PS2 down. Turning the music off appeases the pixie-goblins, so they let you run at a reasonable speed.

Well, that's one explanation at least...

ShadowDragon28
Dec 27, 2006, 04:01 AM
I told my PixieGoblins to stop with that foolishness, but they never listen to their own King.... *sigh* jk..maybe. >:->

Alisha
Dec 27, 2006, 05:20 AM
On 2006-12-27 00:35, A2K wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my head around as to why this works. Does it free up some memory? CPU cycles? Maybe the PS2 version streams music from the disc?


i think it does since if you open the lid while the game is on the music immediately stops.

SuperRygar
Dec 27, 2006, 10:19 AM
I think that when someone attacks, it has to load the animation and the sound. so if the sound is off, thats one less thing to load. thus increased speed. that's my theory, but hey it works so just move on!

I knew people would come on here and state things completly off topic. happens on every thread,i hate that...

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Merumeru
Dec 27, 2006, 10:50 AM
XD yeesh guess all i have to do is figure out what i will listen to instead of in-game music and sounds....

Flamingo99
Dec 27, 2006, 10:54 AM
I turned off the Music and (although there is still some slowdown) the PAs load faster than they used to with the sound on. But, SuperRygar, are you suggesting turning off the music or sound effect volume?

PJ
Dec 27, 2006, 11:33 AM
I turned off my music (But not sound effect), there is DEFINATELY an increase in awesometude.

Although I like PSU's music, I might just have to opt for my MP3 player. My weapons definately load faster, and haven't had slowdown from too many things happening at once yet, with 4 people. Hopefully, I can get a bigger party for more experiments.

Witchblade56
Dec 27, 2006, 11:40 AM
I'm gunna try that trick; turning the music off >.>;;;

I got Atma weapon killed in VoC due to weapon lag on my force >_>

Sorry Imfanboy ._.;;; Hopefully the problem will be resolved http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif;

Parn
Dec 27, 2006, 11:41 AM
On 2006-12-27 00:35, A2K wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my head around as to why this works. Does it free up some memory? CPU cycles? Maybe the PS2 version streams music from the disc?
Mixture of all three, really. PSU uses CRI's ADX format for compression much like PSO did. Unlike the Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox and so forth, the PlayStation 2 relies on the Cell processor for everything, including graphics. This is why PSU and FFXI both run like crap on modern PCs... both are online games designed around the PS2 architecture. Taking music out of the picture means the processor doesn't have to decompress the ADX files on the fly, and since the PlayStation 2 has the least amount of RAM to work with out of all the above mentioned consoles and is well known for having mediocre speed with DVDs, it all adds up.

SuperRygar
Dec 27, 2006, 12:32 PM
im talking about the sound effect volume, i keep the music on myself becuase im usually watching south park or something on my laptop http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif i enjoy the music, the sounds dont do much for me. maybe on special occasions, with small parties i'll turn them back on

SonicTMP
Dec 27, 2006, 02:59 PM
On 2006-12-27 08:41, Parn wrote:
This is why PSU and FFXI both run like crap on modern PCs... both are online games designed around the PS2 architecture.


Funny. I'm running PSU on my PC at full power and it runs flawlessly. This confusese me, the topic is about lag in the ps2 version yet you say its made for ps2 and it runs crappy on a PC. Huwa??

Parn
Dec 27, 2006, 03:18 PM
Guess you'll have to stay confused, sir!

SuperRygar
Dec 27, 2006, 04:46 PM
Parn threw in his opinion

He is no way affiliated with the creatation and POINT of this thread

I posted a work around for lag on the PS2 who cares why it happens or what else to do about it. That's not the point here!

MT7218
Dec 27, 2006, 07:58 PM
Someone care how to turn off said sound on the PS2 version? Because I have no idea what to do and I want to test this theory.

imfanboy
Dec 27, 2006, 08:01 PM
You go to Options in the last subscreen tab (the same one as log out), then you go to Sound and BGM and turn 'em to Off.

Not hard, and works well - not PERFECTLY, you still might have some woes, but better than it was.

ShinMaruku
Dec 27, 2006, 08:42 PM
On 2006-12-27 08:41, Parn wrote:

On 2006-12-27 00:35, A2K wrote:
I'm trying to wrap my head around as to why this works. Does it free up some memory? CPU cycles? Maybe the PS2 version streams music from the disc?
Mixture of all three, really. PSU uses CRI's ADX format for compression much like PSO did. Unlike the Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox and so forth, the PlayStation 2 relies on the Emotion Engine processor for everything, including graphics. This is why PSU and FFXI both run like crap on modern PCs... both are online games designed around the PS2 architecture. Taking music out of the picture means the processor doesn't have to decompress the ADX files on the fly, and since the PlayStation 2 has the least amount of RAM to work with out of all the above mentioned consoles and is well known for having mediocre speed with DVDs, it all adds up.


Fixed. That shit don't have the cell. my set up does but surly not Pureistiuation 2

redcell
Dec 28, 2006, 04:09 AM
Nice! Definitely noticed a bit of improvement with the lag/weapon reset =) I also like this for the fact I usually have headphones + iTunes on when I play anyway. Thanks for the tip!

Starzonedge
Dec 28, 2006, 04:14 AM
Ew, dirt low? What the ****? Screw that.

Agne
Dec 28, 2006, 07:10 AM
nice find!!! i play on 360 so i'm not affected (sp?) as much by lag, but nice find and way to go pointing it out. i'll do my part to make sure as many ppl as possible see it.

btw don't mind the haters, they're everywhere

tell 'em to get some hater'ade, and ride a crashing ele'hater

ZiG
Dec 28, 2006, 07:22 AM
I guess my PS2 is uhh... different... cause since I turned off my music and sound effects, I haven't noticed it get better at all, AND, I seem to have an increase in random "Ok I don't wanna shoot anymore" occurances... Where randonly it acts as if I just changed weapons and won't let me shoot/cast/attack.

-Ryuki-
Dec 28, 2006, 07:43 AM
E-Machines don't have AMD processors though.. And I love Athlon >.>

Diablohead
Dec 28, 2006, 08:19 AM
Theres been a few sega games lately that turning sound off speeds up the overall game, sonic the hedgehog genesis for gba is a great example (and a terrible "port")

-Shimarisu-
Dec 28, 2006, 09:21 AM
On 2006-12-28 04:10, Agne wrote:
nice find!!! i play on 360 so i'm not affected (sp?) as much by lag, but nice find and way to go pointing it out. i'll do my part to make sure as many ppl as possible see it.

btw don't mind the haters, they're everywhere

tell 'em to get some hater'ade, and ride a crashing ele'hater



On the contrary, compared to a good PC running in top settings (as I did) 360 suffers HORRIBLY from slowdown, and yep, turning off the music helps a lot.

As does never playing with more than 4 people. Including NPCs.

PJ
Dec 28, 2006, 09:26 AM
On 2006-12-28 01:14, Starzonedge wrote:
Ew, dirt low? What the ****? Screw that.



Yeah, I don't know why people would try to recommend lowest setting PC PSU. It looks worse than PS2 PSU

rena-ko
Dec 28, 2006, 09:31 AM
so it runs at all? been there, done that (curses notebook GPUs)

Sinue_v2
Dec 28, 2006, 10:56 AM
I noticed minimal preformance boost in my PS2 using this method. Once you're in a game with more than 4 people though, the slowdown returns in force - as well the glitches and bugs associated with it. (Forces bowing on casting, for example)

I'm not expressly bothered by the lack of music in PSU. I can simply pop PSO into my Xbox or NGC and hook the audio channels up to a seperate set of speakers, not to mention using the audio of the old games via DS/GBA or Emulation on the PC. Even PS1's 8-bit cheese opening theme is much better than PSU's flat and uninspired music. (then again, I love 8-bit music)

Sychosis
Dec 28, 2006, 11:07 AM
If this applies the 360 as well, would playing music off the HDD be a good alternative?

SuperRygar
Dec 28, 2006, 11:09 AM
sweet,stickied! now im famous http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

PaladinRPG
Dec 28, 2006, 08:28 PM
Turning the background music off in the PC version also helped me out in getting a much better framerate.

EDIT: I also think it's hilarious I can get better fps playing the PSU soundtrack through winamp instead of the game. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif



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Jools
Dec 29, 2006, 04:48 AM
This is great advice, but one thing still confuses me: what's the difference in improvement between turning off the music and turning off both the music and sound effects?

SuperRygar
Dec 29, 2006, 10:39 AM
i personally dont see a difference when turning the music off. the sound off is the only thing that speeds me up. i just leave it off, after like 20 hours the music gets old. its good to take a break from it, put something else on

Johan
Dec 31, 2006, 07:48 AM
Incidental: you can pick up the Geforce 7600 GS for a lot less than $200 if you newegg.

And I have the 7600 GT, and 1280x1024 at 30 FPS works perfectly smooth.

Alisha
Dec 31, 2006, 08:11 AM
On 2006-12-29 07:39, SuperRygar wrote:
i personally dont see a difference when turning the music off. the sound off is the only thing that speeds me up. i just leave it off, after like 20 hours the music gets old. its good to take a break from it, put something else on


sound effects are loaded into memory music is streamed off the disc. im curious if this will help with nanoblasts sometimes i wait like 10 seconds after changing back to be able to attack again.

imfanboy
Dec 31, 2006, 04:11 PM
it does help - and I haven't noticed one of those 'well, I'll decide to stand straight up for 10 seconds instead of being able to attack' nanoblast moments... those really do suck. XD

SuperRygar
Jan 2, 2007, 06:42 PM
if one of the OP's reads this can you please correct my spelling of Gaurenteed?

...so i can change it myself? interesting...

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Wheatpenny
Jan 2, 2007, 06:44 PM
I have done this and for me it helps in every area EXCEPT Shirakami Defense for some reason that is the only mission it doesn'e help on.

SuperRygar
Feb 16, 2007, 02:03 PM
are people still reading this?

Aixiao
Feb 16, 2007, 03:02 PM
I'm not going to read the entire topic. I read the first two pages and it seems like alot of "LOLZ U GETZ A PC". Some of us on the PS2 would rather keep our rather pretty (They're not bad, but they're not amazing.) graphics.

I have a PC capable of running PSU now (I didn't when I got the game), and I still prefer to play it on the PS2. I'd rather not have to set the game on lego graphics with no colors and rip out the gamma and turn the hue to that of a 1960's western. (<- That makes no sense, but I know alot of people who have to sacrifice graphics for the game to run without any lag.)

Anyways, with that said, this should be a great find for us PS2 users. I'll try it out and see if it works. Thanks for the tip!

foamcup
Feb 16, 2007, 03:25 PM
On 2007-02-16 12:02, Aixiao wrote:
I'm not going to read the entire topic. I read the first two pages and it seems like alot of "LOLZ U GETZ A PC". Some of us on the PS2 would rather keep our rather pretty (They're not bad, but they're not amazing.) graphics.

I have a PC capable of running PSU now (I didn't when I got the game), and I still prefer to play it on the PS2. I'd rather not have to set the game on lego graphics with no colors and rip out the gamma and turn the hue to that of a 1960's western. (<- That makes no sense, but I know alot of people who have to sacrifice graphics for the game to run without any lag.)

Anyways, with that said, this should be a great find for us PS2 users. I'll try it out and see if it works. Thanks for the tip!




Hmm, what are your specs? Mine is a 2.53 GHz Celeron with 1 gig of RAM running a GeForce FX 5500 oveclocked to 305/500. I run the game at 800x600 or I can turn off POST effects and go to 1024x768, but turning POST off is silly!

Aixiao
Feb 16, 2007, 03:29 PM
On 2007-02-16 12:25, foamcup wrote:

On 2007-02-16 12:02, Aixiao wrote:
I'm not going to read the entire topic. I read the first two pages and it seems like alot of "LOLZ U GETZ A PC". Some of us on the PS2 would rather keep our rather pretty (They're not bad, but they're not amazing.) graphics.

I have a PC capable of running PSU now (I didn't when I got the game), and I still prefer to play it on the PS2. I'd rather not have to set the game on lego graphics with no colors and rip out the gamma and turn the hue to that of a 1960's western. (<- That makes no sense, but I know alot of people who have to sacrifice graphics for the game to run without any lag.)

Anyways, with that said, this should be a great find for us PS2 users. I'll try it out and see if it works. Thanks for the tip!




Hmm, what are your specs? Mine is a 2.53 GHz Celeron with 1 gig of RAM running a GeForce FX 5500 oveclocked to 305/500. I run the game at 800x600 or I can turn off POST effects and go to 1024x768, but turning POST off is silly!



3.2ghz celeron with 512mb ram. The video card isn't great (ATI Radeon somethin'), so if I wanted to play the game with as-pretty-as my PS2 graphics, I'd have to dish out $$$$$$. But I'm sure I could run the game, but I'd have to do just what everyone else said--drop all the graphics!

So, it's cheaper for us PS2 users to just turn the sound off than go spend $500+ for a new PC or even $100+ for a good graphics card.

StarLionsX
Feb 16, 2007, 03:54 PM
What you could also do is buy a new Playstation 3, and play it on ps3. Thats what i'm doing, I havn't had any problems lagging.

That is if you plan on buying a PS3 and playing PSU on that platform.

Don't flame me for playing ps3 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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Aixiao
Feb 16, 2007, 04:01 PM
No one will flame you for having one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif You should just change it to "If you plan on getting a PS3, play PSU on there" instead of telling people to go buy a PS3.

Despite planning to have one, it's a -tiny- bit rude to tell someone to go buy another system, especially with how expensive it is.

Anyways, I can only turn off the Music, not the entire sound altogether.

Kira_88
Feb 16, 2007, 04:21 PM
my pc costed me $380 and it runs lag free on high settings >.>; just need to surf around for good deals (aka http://www.newegg.com D:) cool find though, picking up psu for ps2 for travel purposes soon~

Samaine
Feb 16, 2007, 06:15 PM
i like ps2.

SuperRygar
Feb 16, 2007, 06:40 PM
haha yes...well see.......this is not a thread to convince people to buy a uber cool PC to run PSU >.<

THIS IS PURELY A THREAD FOR PS2 USERS WHO WANT TO REDUCE LAG PEOPLE!!!!! GAWL

i know its listed in the group of things that you should read at the top of the forum list, but i didnt know if people actually did that...i know i didnt http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

just wanted to make sure this info was still getting out there

IT DOES WORK, 100%

IT DOESNT KILL 100% OF THE LAG

it just reduces it

please....no more talk of upgrading to another system. if you want to talk about that create a new thread where you can be a cool person who is actually ON TOPIC

Pitchshifter
Feb 17, 2007, 12:59 AM
This didn't work for me. I tried it long ago (before the OP even made this) but I still played in Matrix style almost non stop, BUT it was probably most likely due to my PS2 being one of the first ones, so I never posted that it didn't work.

Anyways some other things I noticed help with some of the slowdown.

When you all of the sudden drop your weapon to the side and can't attack, if you spin the camera around the other way (away from all the action) it usually loads faster and brings the weapon back up so you can attack again. I guess it don't have to load all of the PA animations since they're not on screen and will load your character faster. EDIT: That one probably works best for Rangers.

Bruce's Dungeon for me was non-stop slowdown from start to finish, people would always pass me up running from room to room. Again if you turn the camera so it's looking down on your character (easier to run this way than if it's turned facing you) when running between rooms, it seems to loose most of the slowdown so you can run normal, just have to watch your radar a little more to see where you're going.

I really doubt it helps at all, but might. If it does it's probably very little. But you can also turn off the button labels in the options so every time you change weapons or use an item on the quick menu it doesn't pop out the label of what PA you have equipped to each button.

There was something else I used to do but can't remember now... if I happen to I'll post it up here.



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SuperRygar
Feb 17, 2007, 01:51 PM
good points Pitchshifter, i forget to mention that

another thing that *may* work for some people is before you load PSU, go to the PS2 browser and hit triangle to get a couple options, then change the disc speed to fast. i havn't really tested it or even sure if it really defaults to normal. but every time i think to check that its set to normal, i dont know if changing it to fast keeps it at fast for good. not tested. you can also change the textrures to smooth if ya want

and id say the biggest culprit of lag is the level, i've never done bruce so i dont even know what it looks like haha but levels like LL and De Ragen dont have much background animation so there isnt much lag. i was doing LL Srank with 5 people with sound and music on and there wasnt much lag

Proff
Feb 17, 2007, 09:53 PM
On 2007-02-17 10:51, SuperRygar wrote:
good points Pitchshifter, i forget to mention that

another thing that *may* work for some people is before you load PSU, go to the PS2 browser and hit triangle to get a couple options, then change the disc speed to fast. i havn't really tested it or even sure if it really defaults to normal. but every time i think to check that its set to normal, i dont know if changing it to fast keeps it at fast for good. not tested. you can also change the textrures to smooth if ya want

and id say the biggest culprit of lag is the level, i've never done bruce so i dont even know what it looks like haha but levels like LL and De Ragen dont have much background animation so there isnt much lag. i was doing LL Srank with 5 people with sound and music on and there wasnt much lag


Disc Speed and Texture Smoothing do not affect PS2 games. Those are options for the PSOne games.

l_Will_l
Feb 17, 2007, 10:28 PM
i tried this on my ps2. did not work at all. i tried it with the sound off and the music on. then the music off and the sound on. then both off. did not see a difference at all. i was really hoping it would work for my ps2. i have psu for my pc as well but i need some more ram or possibly a new vid card. dont really wanna spend that much on my pc when its brand new and id have to play with my keyboard (i personally love the controller) but since i have lag on my pc i could give it a try on there as well and see if it worsk

CelestialBlade
Feb 17, 2007, 11:56 PM
Turning all sound off makes a slight difference when I'm playing on my laptop, but it's not too much. I can handle levels like Raffon Meadow just fine but I run like I'm wearing Iron Boots in the HIVE. But as the OP said, it's certainly not the miracle cure but when you're maxing out your CPU it doesn't hurt.

And while this may be obvious I've found that disabling Post Effects can potentially kill off a LOT of graphical lag.

mrlion
Jun 12, 2007, 12:30 PM
On 2006-12-28 04:43, RyukiZero wrote:
E-Machines don't have AMD processors though.. And I love Athlon >.>



Correction...it does have AMD in fact they are famous for that, most of their systems are AMD and have either an AGP or a PCI-e slot available for a video card and while this is the cheapest alternative to play PSU I dunno the performance of PSU on a PC so its not really guaranteed.

Chuck_Norris
Jun 12, 2007, 12:34 PM
another way to reduce lag is to click the left thumb stick till peoples names dont show up, makes it a bit less lagy.

Ryoki
Jun 12, 2007, 12:35 PM
Jeez, people. Listen to SuperRygar. He has my avatar http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif.

Personally, I am fine even with the lag. It isnt the sort of lag I get on my computer with other online games, where you will be like.....fighting in pvp with some guy, suddenly, you keep repeating the same animation, and then bam! You're dead. Yippee. PS2 lag makes me move slower. That's about it. It doesn't skip whole seconds of gameplay.

JAFO22000
Jun 12, 2007, 12:43 PM
Another old topic, bumped to the top...intriguing.

Sexy_Raine
Jun 12, 2007, 01:07 PM
All I will say is that Urgent is killing me with lag right now, esp. in blk3. X_X
Is there anything that can reduce this?

ShinAnt
Jun 12, 2007, 01:56 PM
On 2006-12-26 13:44, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Or you could, y'know, upgrade to PC?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



Owned.

Emrald
Jun 12, 2007, 02:58 PM
On 2006-12-26 13:44, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Or you could, y'know, upgrade to PC?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



How come I get in trouble for flame bating but that doesn't!...Don't kill me mods >_>

JAFO22000
Jun 12, 2007, 03:03 PM
I'm sure Garnet has gotten his fair share of warnings....

panzer_unit
Jun 12, 2007, 03:06 PM
On 2007-06-12 11:07, Sexy_Raine wrote:
All I will say is that Urgent is killing me with lag right now, esp. in blk3. X_X
Is there anything that can reduce this?


Full buffs really lag me. You could let 'em run out in b2 and suck it up with the reduced stats... or stick to the basics like Shifta & Retier.

Boot a couple teammates? Sometimes I find that one specific guy in the team just lags me to hell and gone.

If there are no Jaos you could just abandon.

Mutt12
Jun 12, 2007, 03:35 PM
On 2006-12-26 13:44, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Or you could, y'know, upgrade to PC?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



I'd rather be in low-res PS2 hell, than have Gameguard on my system again.

... that and I wouldn't be able to transfer my characters to the PC version.



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Emrald
Jun 12, 2007, 03:46 PM
On 2007-06-12 13:35, Mutt12 wrote:

On 2006-12-26 13:44, Garnet_Moon wrote:
Or you could, y'know, upgrade to PC?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



I'd rather be in low-res PS2 hell, than have Gameguard on my system again.

... that and I wouldn't be able to transfer my characters to the PC version.



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WRONG....PSU accounts for ps2-pc are linked...meaning on PC you just enter your account info when logging onto network mode and YES guess what! your characters are already there!...

fumatanera
Jun 12, 2007, 03:48 PM
On 2006-12-26 14:16, Garnet_Moon wrote:

On 2006-12-26 14:05, SuperRygar wrote:
ok, sorry Garnet_Moon, i thought you said 'upgrade your PC'

but yeah, id choose no sound over 1000's of dollars anyday


Go buy an E-Machine for $299.
Buy a vid card for $100.

Boom. You're good for nearly every game on the planet.



except that playing on a pc sucks

Mutt12
Jun 12, 2007, 07:40 PM
On 2007-06-12 13:46, Emrald wrote:
WRONG....PSU accounts for ps2-pc are linked...meaning on PC you just enter your account info when logging onto network mode and YES guess what! your characters are already there!...


Really? I asked about that, as I once had a desire to switch to PC. Sega Email Support told me different. They told me that I would need a new game ID to switch over to PC, and that involves cancelling my hunters liscense and issuing a new one.

Granted, that was before I found out that the PC version uses Gameguard, and I still get nightmares of having to delete lines in my registry when Maple Story installed that insidious rootkit on my system.


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MalVR
Aug 28, 2007, 07:36 PM
Lol, Garnet, you do realize that PSU is an extremely LOW SPEC game, right? Compared to other games out there, today.