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1. Mag States?
2. What units should I have and what Abilities should I have on them?3. Pa palette setup.
4. Skill Tree
Thank you everyone for all your help in making this possible.
and I hope all the information in this thread helps you with your build as will.
Edit: You can also post your builds here too.
You may only talk about Br/Fo or Fo/Br and Br/Te but nothing else in this thread.
You'd probably want the 10% dmg increase for Charge attacks
It's a start, does anyone else want to help?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neferpitou
PP Charge Revival does not work with Bullet Bow.
Lot's and lots of zondeel
You've given too little information to work with (actually, none at all).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
You have to first determine your combat style
Answer two questions:
1) How will you approach killing a group of mobs?
2) How will you approach killing a highly mobile boss?
The other question is whether Average stance up and Average S Charge affects tech damage. If it does, Force/Braver will be a fairly competent tech user. A braver/force, however, will be a very gimp katana/bow user. . .
I want to be able to cast techs for Aoe damage for mobs while at the same time have a good source of melee for close range combat for boss, something like Fi/FO or FO/Fi.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmwood
Average stance effects all damage, so yea it does effect techs but Average S Charge I'm not so sure it works for techs.
http://www.pso2luna.com/episode-2-july-17-update/
There is a line in here in particular that piques my interest:
"For Techniques, damage increase is applied to enemy elemental weaknesses, not weak spots."
Can anyone confirm this? That would be more then brave stance wouldn't it?
I'm curious about making a braver/techer or braver/force but don't really know what I want because this my first time playing the game and I can't find any up to date guides. So far playing braver is a lot of fun.
Decent looking build. If you're going to be a Braver/Force though, I would recommend that you get Average S Charge simply because it affects techs. You might as well forget the bow completely and just forget any and all skill points associated with it. Anything your bow would do, your magic is instead going to do. I would suggest you get rid of the cover skill for just reversal as well due to the fact that you have resta as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
As for the mag, I think a decent and healthy amount of dex is appropriate in general for Bravers. The Braver mag ability affects your base stats which is really neat, so you could actually make up for that lack of s-atk on your mag. I personally think getting enough tech on your mag to help you equip an umbra stick is all you need. Then the rest should probably go into dex and s-atk.
Would my mag states be something like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryock
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...4SdnwksXI20000
Wow so Average S Charge effects techs that's great to hear.
and what units are going to be good for a build like this?
It's good of you to mention it! I did a little peek, and japanese wiki confirms it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlankM
Weakstance affects elemental weakness instead of weakpoints on techs only!
法撃ダメージのみ扱いが異なり、命中部位とは関係なく弱点属性の攻撃であれば威力が増加し、それ以外の属性 では威力が減少する。
I now have a reason to go Force/Braver. ^^;
Braver /force is still comparatively weak as a melee character.Techer/Braver is a possibility.
Edit:
Braver/Techer katana user with a wind build combined with zanverse ? Might work. Might not be as gimp as we think. But the effects of zanverse plays off tech damage of the equipped weapon I think.
Does weak stance charge affect techs?
I'm wondering about this too. Zanverse might be what melee/tech classes needed. You can even skip the zondeel step, and use gravity arrow instead since it applies damage in addition to vacuuming, albeit with a delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmwood
Gravity arrow -> zanverse -> zan might be hysterically strong.
Alisha said wind techs get a full 100% bonus hit from zanverse - can someone test wind element weapon damages? If the same is true for wind weapons...oh man. It might double the element bonus damage, or it might double the entire hit, anything's possible at this point.
i'm also going BRA/FO
my intention is to have a full dex mag on this one. to both S and R atk are boosted equaly, also not to make braver bound to force, in case it dosent work out.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...dnIbIAbnib0006
currently how my char is.
I got zanverse last night. I'm hoping it'll get better at later levels, as mine is only 7 atm, but what I'm seeing so far is a little disappointing. It seems a small wind attack accompanies every single attack you make, not every hit you make. On another note, zanverse's extra damage does seem to be based on the caster's tech, so it does definitely help the melee/magic builds. I tested it with both wind techs and wind weapons. It does not appear to make wind weapons hit any harder or any more times, sadly. Wind techs on the other hand get a significant boost in damage. I didn't test it on a rod or talis weapon, but when I had my double saber equipped, it brought my original 147 damage with razan, to a nice 248. If we assume it's % based, that's a significant increase in damage, and could work really nice with gizan/zanverse/sazan.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigawuts
EDIT: On that note though... since it is based on attacks, and not hits, it could make using Braver/Force with a katana really nice with zanverse, just because of the ludicrous attack speed of the katana and its PAs.
Average Stance Charge does, I would assume the Weak Stance version does as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlankM
I think as far as units go, you're definitely going to want Ability III on all your units. That much is a given. I know there are some neat souls and other abilities coming out too that give a great deal of more stats in multiple categories, so you might wanna get those when they come out. As for myself, I main a hybrid Fighter/Force, and what I've been doing(Mind you, I went 46 as a Braver, so this build has been working just as well for Braver), is building your units all around s-atk, and nothing else. If you CAN get tech 3 or ability 3, that would be really nice, but s-atk > tech. Your tech will be plenty high enough with just an Umbra stick, that you'll have a respectable 1500 tech+ without shifta, drinks, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
Yes, very close to that for your mag. My mag has 25 s-atk, 80 tech, and 70 ability(dex). So that's very much on the right track for mag stats imo. I wish I had the final stat amounts for a male dewman, so I could give you a better opinion. But that should do quite nicely actually. Your tech attack and melee attack should both be rather respectable with that.
Thank you so much this will help me get started on my male dewman, if anyone else has anything they want to add please do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryock
I'm really interested in this as well, although I'm not sure if going Braver/Force or Force/Braver. I'm a hybrid freak, and the idea of using rods, bows and katanas is just too good to let it pass (although I don't like katanas as weapons, but I hope they release some good-looking ones that don't look classical, seriously, that horse has been beaten to death already in most games).
Since I'd be levelling Braver I'm going to start with BR/FO, but my previous time attemping a HU/FO got me with the impression that FO/HU was morebalanced (specially having those all-class HU weapons much more accesible and powerful than the FO counterparts).
Damage-wise, which one seems stronger? Any old FO/HU there to compare? I'm nust curious if I'm going to end trading more damage for more versatility. I really like my current class but I wanna try bows too.
Does anyone know when Gardios is going to update the skilltree Skill Simulator with information on the Dewman states because I really need to know how much tech I'm going to need on my mag and other things.
If it's any consolation several of the "katanas" are straight swords. The uncommon 4-6* ones are a sword/shield combo (<3) and a rapier...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Anyway, on topic. While I don't really have any interest in Braver/Force, I am planning on trying Braver/techer. With Zanverse out, that's another support tech for Territory Burst to be used with. Subbing a tech using class tends to not lend it's self well to actually using techs offensively so I'm glad they're adding more techs that do things besides damage, or that aren't based on your T-atk.
That takes half the fun on being a hybrid. Precisely for that I went as FO/HU previously, because I felt that my tech damage was decent, while melee damage was good enough plus all the versatility that melee tends to have over techs (step attack, guard, knocks, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
I have the feeling that I'll end the same way with Braver.
It think it comes down to preference really. I do enjoy having techs to throw around, but I like having both classes boost each other, if only slightly, rather than feeling like I'm switching between two distinct classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
i like having techs to support, gravity pulls and trows, megiverse to survive while atacking cray style"i still die but its fun cuz it also helps other people out"
resta is a life saver.... not to mention anti for anoying poison stuff, and i like to heal all them peeps.
i dont know, im going to try to make it work, any advice would be welcome.
would Bra/te be more effective?
I forgot to add this in the first post but you can also post your builds here as will, any and all help is greatly appreciated everyone.
Braver/Techer would work, but your spells are useless for offense now. What makes Force nice for subbing is that it does very well on its own and offers all the offense you need to make techs valuable. If you do go techer, just pretend your offensive spells don't exist, and go straight for things like zondeel, zanverse, territory boost, etc. Techer would be there to merely be a way to support you and your allies while providing no tech damage. It just depends on what you want to do more, so ask yourself this question:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama
Do I want to be a Cleric or Paladin of sorts, using melee and support? Or do I want to be a Battle mage of sorts, using my magic offensively to compliment my melee.
I hear you, but unfortunately, strictly speaking this game doesn't allow for too much hybridation. A FO/FI, for example, is not what I would call a "hybrid", it's just a FO with a different flavor of self-buffs. What I like to play, a FO/HU isn't that much of a hybrid either, because I'm just switching classes on the fly, so to speak, everytime I switch between rod and sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
A Techer for example looks more like what I believe a hybrid should be, but the wand gets a bit short on the mechanics, as if the developers were afraid of giving it too much juice. Using melee plus supportive techs is also another form of hybridation, but honestly, that's not too far from the first example, it's just another flavor of the "classic" build.
A HU/FO-TE with a Coat Edge slashin' and throwing spells mid-combo would be pretty "hybrid" for me if they had elaborated in that matter, but again they just gave us the bare minimun. It would have been awesome, for example, that the TE skilltree was half support, as it is, and the other half, instead of a cheap ripoff of the FO skilltree with the other three elements, went further ahead in the concept of Wand Gear. Skills that auto-trigger techs after melee attacks. Genuine wand PAs that can be chained with techs and that have synergy with them so they create real melee/tech combos. Passive skills and/or self-buffs that convert some TATK into SATK and viceversa, somehow, under some circunstances. And that worked fine subbing another melee class for extra hybrid
But what they do is what they did with Braver. Braver got bow and katana, but you can't really have a Braver who uses both without making sacrifices. Which, by the way, seem utterly lame to me, considering that PSU, with all its faults, at least allowed us to have a shitton of "main" weapons without needing to sacrifice our characters to fully use them. I'm really getting tired of having a single weapon bound to my character like in pretty much 99.99999999% of other role playing games.
One example I like from Ragnarok Online is the Sage class. You can make a melee build with it and you still have skills that let you auto-trigger magic when you're hitting the enemy. Not only that, but doing so makes the spells go without cast time (something almost impossible to get rid of) for the prize of going to your enemy's ass and kick it personally. Not the best build but surely one of the most enjoyable I've tried in that game.
In any case, I wanna try Braver because I have hope for the "katana" after seeing that some of them (including free class ones) don't look like your typical Heian bullshit ripoff. I kinda like the sword & shield vibe that some of them have, actually. And I suppose that the stances affect tech damage better than HU ones, so I might be able to make a more synergic hybrid than with HU.
Can't answer much:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
1. You may want to drop Dex or R-ATK for T-ATK, going all 3-ATKs and Dex isn't a good idea.
3. Keep your stances, shifta, deband, resta on at all times. Rest is your choice. Zondeel?
Since I'm running Br/Hu not Br/FO or TE but I will suggest that you invest into both average and weak stance full 10sp, max out UP on both, get Charge UP for both, leaving 7 points for katana combat.
For TE or FO (TE is the better option)
TE-Get PP convert, territory burst for zondeel for katana combat finish combo, elemental weak hit for those weak spots with weak stance, 1sp into deband cut and rest is your call.
FO-Get PP charge, go into zonde line for zondeel.
IMO, Bravers are already great at dealing AOE damage. Katana combat finisher and Kanran-kikyou are already more than enough to kill most mobs. It's better off to have HU or FI as sub IMO for more damage bonus.
That's not the point of this thread, I presume.Quote:
Originally Posted by strikerhunter
Was just pointing it out with the fact the OP wants to go BR main with Fo or TE sub rather than the reverse way and that Hu or FI subs are better off in this situation. If it was Braver sub, then yes Fo or Te would benefit much more rather than the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
You seem to know very little of what people seeking hybrid builds usually intend to do with them. Do you really think that nobody here knows what you're saying? The point of a hybrid build is not to make the most beneficial combination, but something more versatile (and usually for the user, more fun than a specialized build), if that was the point then everybody here would be BR/HU and this thread wouldn't exist...
Honestly, in most cases I know most already know that. In a small number of cases No, since many are experimenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Sorry, I edited my thread just after you edited yours and this seems a hell of edits. I'll give you some time in case you wanna update your answer or something, or else this is going to be a fun chat, lol.
On the contrary Braver is actually a good hybrid class, In part due to the fact that both of it's weapons are good without going completely into their trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Really what I meant when I said I didn't want to feel like I was switching classes on the fly was that... frankly, other than a couple of support techs, force does nothing for melee classes, and hunter stances add nothing to force. in the case of fighter or braver though, their stances effect techs so force benefits more from them than hunter.
A force's PP revival does very little for you when you're in hunter mode and not spamming techs, but bolt pp save can help you preserve pp when using zondeel I guess. For techers things like Deband cut, extend assist, and territory burst help you make the most of your non-damaging techs, which you'll likely be using regardless of which weapon you have out at the time. PP restraint can help keep your PP up when going between enemies or using normal attacks. Really though, it just comes down to preference like I said.
As for weapon selection. I'm not too torn up about it, I just wish allclass weapons were more consistent, readily available, and less arbitrary (roundeet is all class but lambda roundeet isn't? Both Aresvis and Lambda Aresvis are all class, the only all class rods have really high requirements and/or are really rare). I would have prefered if they just made the 1-3* weapons all-class and left it at that. Or at the very least gave EVERY weapon counterparts to those allclass hunter weapons everyone uses. As it is right now it just feels too... random.
Also, what's your beef with katanas? O_o
There is reason why I suggested zondeel+katana combo finisher. I understand hybrid builds, as I experimented several already. There was a reason why I put my suggestions into the build first before saying BR/HU or BR/FI would be more beneficial. In the end, it comes down to the player's playstyle and choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Hmm, I didn't try it too much (not on my gaming computer) so I guess my impression was mistaken, party for what I read here, I guess. I would like to be able to use both katanas and bows along with techs. It'd be some sort of hybridgasm for me. <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
That's my main reason for switching to Braver from Hunter. I didn't go Fighter because I don't like any of the weapons they have, and I don't like the lack of blocking, but Braver seems kinda more balanced on that behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
And I just adore bows. And despite my hate for them, katanas are still swords. They might accidentally make one that looks cool, the same way that they made some katana-looking swords already.
I just hate the role of the "paladin" in RPGs. I don't like being a healing fighter. I like being the guy who sets his sword ablaze and slashes shit around while throwing fireballs. It's just too sexy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
I'm right there with you. The main reason I chose FO/HU over HU/FO was basically because I had those lambda Alystein, Hyperion and Patilmeria right there, while as HU main I could only go with a stupid mic, a stupid halloween prop or pray for an Umbra stick (which is ugly as hell). And a Yu-Gi-Oh prop. And a freaking lollipop. Sorry, not gonna be caught dead carrying that. <_<Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
And all they added now is a bunny rod. is like they want us embarrass ourselves as the prize to sub FO for offensive techs.
It's just how absurdly overrated they are. Name an action game, film, series, book, comic, and I'll probably find you a katana. Usually in the hands of the most clichèd character in the cast, be it the typical sexy leather-clad bitch with a katana, or the classy one-winged emo with Oedipus complex with a Freudian-size katana. And they're usually portrayed as the most badass character in the cast, just because they're carrying a katana around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
I guess I just love too much my middle-ages european tradition. Nothing better than a sword the size and weight of your horse to break shit around. That cuts with both sides.
This is my plan too, I guess I'm just going a different route. XD To be honest Braver seems to be getting a mixed reception, however I'm seeing more potential in it than I did in fighter. It just needs a bit of buffing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Yeah, I feel the same way. I didn't like Fighter weapons, and braver has bows. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Darki
I actually prefer it, which is where the preference comes in. :P I like being able to buff my self while still being able to hit things in the face with a sharp object. It's been my MO since ye olden days when I first played a billposter in flyff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
I actually don't mind the silly looking ones... I just wish they had more consistent stats. "Here you go, here's an allclass rod... that'll be outclassed by a much cheaper allclass talis! Oh, you want a GOOD rod? Have fun getting that 500 t-atk on a hunter! What? You're going for a liberacion instead? *crowd laughs*"... yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
I agree and disagree. While that is pretty common, and Katanas are obviously running on their cool factor here, the things you mentioned seem to be problems with the characters more than anything. Are katanas overrated? Totally, but so is just about everything else in pso2. Sometimes It's nice to just take things at face value and enjoy them as they are instead of instantly associating them with bad characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Though I assume the "leather-clad bitch" you're referring to is Bayonetta, and I'd have to disagree with that on principle. D:
EDIT: While I'm thinking about it. I'm actually more of a rapier or saber fan. The only reason I don't like the Esrain katanas is because, despite looking like rapiers, there isn't enough poking involved. Admittedly I do like the fancy flourishing and sheathing that tends to be associated with katanas though.
Let's all get back on topic here guys, you may only talk about Bra/Fo or even Bra/Te but nothing else in this thread.
Edit: I would like to thank all those who continued to share there information and interest in Bra/Fo in making it possible.
I absolutely agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
can anyone share a build? needing sum guidance ._.
Well, just a quick thing thrown together that isn't at all optimized or maxed out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gama
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...nfrIJ2HnIb0006
I'm assuming you want to mainly use katanas, so combat finish is a great thing to max out. Weak Stance give you a bonus to the element an enemy is weak against with techs - not against weak points. It's like a bigger Element Weak Hit Advance from techer. This can be REALLY great if you're specced against an enemy's weakness. Heck, switching from br/fo to br/te might be a good idea depending on where you are, but then again maybe it might not be I don't know.
I've also read that Weak Stance Charge will boost charged techs, so that's a must have if true.
I have 1 point in rapid shoot because it's a really great skill at 1 sp. JR Cover 1 gets you 10% hp healed, JR Cover 5 gets you 20%. I don't know how much you get knocked down so adjust to your preference. Try it out at 1 SP and see how that goes.
Now for the part I'm not sure about. Does Rapid Shoot Mastery bonus tech damage? If yes, and if they ever add a bow with good TATK, that will be really really good to max out. +15% damage while holding a TATK bow (like the madame's umbrella is for swords) with Rapid Shoot active, which lasts 60 seconds. You can even spam arrows to regain PP really quickly during the effect, so going BR/TE might even work with that combo despite not having PP Revival.
giga knows my taste of the skills way to well :o
*likes*
Can someone tell me if this build here will be able to the equip Mr. Umblla Stick, If yes this will be the build I use.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...dnI3rAJ2Hn0008
Not as a male human. You'd be 41 t-atk short at level 60. Even a newearl would be short 7 t-atk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
I'm using the male human as a base for my male Dewman sinces Gardios hasn't updated the skilltree Skill Simulator with the Dewman's states yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
so if anyone could give me idea on how much I'm going to need for my male Dewman that would be great.
The stats are on cirnopedia now. I just added the bonuses you got into them. http://cirnopedia.frostsabre.com/rac...male_7.php#navQuote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
A male duman would be 24 points short at level 60.
Will damn it, Is there anything else I can do instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
Pull a few points in your mag from dex into T-atk, you're already going braver/force so I would think you'd put more than just 15. I understand wanting to make the most out of braver mag but something like 45 tatk and 130 dex might be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
Is this right, and do you have anything else you might want to add before I get started?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...dnI3rAJ2Hn0008
Mmm, well the only other thing that catches my eye is those 8 points in average stance but I can't really think of anywhere else to put them, you might have to ask someone else about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
I will just save those 8 points and wait for sage to add something later but other then that, I'm all set right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
Yup. Goodluck! :3Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
Thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
I'll agree with kondibon here and say you should definitely get more tech. It's good for your dex to land on an even number, and your tech to land on an odd number, since Braver Mag rounds down, so you wouldn't get anymore from say 89 as opposed to 88. But yes, looks good to me. The only thing I would recommend you change is your force tree slightly. I would take 5 of the points from bolt or fire mastery and throw them into flame charge s just so your foie techs, especially shifta, come up considerably faster. The difference between level 5 and 10 is 25% I believe, so it's a very noticeable difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
What does exactly Braver Mag do? I've been checking but I couldn't find much info. I suspect it adds some points in SATK and RATK based on your mag's DEX? I might need a new mag for FO/BR since my first mag is tech/melee oriented.
it adds a percentage of DEX as S-ATK and R-ATK. starts with 20% and if fully upgraded 50%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
If you do a 175 Dex mag that would make 87.5 S-ATK and 85.5 R-ATK additonal base stats.
So it's kinda like doubling the points spent in DEX. I suppose it would be a better idea to make a SATK + DEX mag than SATK + RATK, for example? Since I'd have to split points between the three offensive stats for a full hybrid Force/Braver mag, it might be more useful to go something like 50 TATK, 100 DEX?
Anyone else just hold the attack button instead of trying to JA when they use katana combat?
Trying and failing feels like it kills the point of the speed boost, But maybe I'm just unskilled and it is possible to JA every hit with it.
People don't develop muscle memory for that sort of thing? Do you also have difficulty with dagger JA timing?
You caught me just in time before I got my subclass license, I'm going take them from Flame Mastery 1 and max out flame charge s, Thanks Ryock you really rock man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryock
this is the build I'm going with right now.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...SdnfrAJ2Hn0008
Edit:My Dewman's name is Cyrus Wize.
and this is what he looks like.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...nime_boy-1.jpg
You wouldn't imagine how hard it was to get that face with the horrible customization that Sega has for male characters in this game.
When I was first trying it out, yes. This is what I did, mostly because a great deal of the monsters were becoming much too difficult to JA because I would be resting on the ground, and then suddenly I would hop in just such a way that the JA window would be extremely short and I'd miss it a lot. So after that I just decided to jump before I attack so I'm elevated enough to hit all the JAs. It takes a little getting used to, but it's worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Eastwood
I hope it works out to your liking! You're very welcome =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
is that the same thing? I should go try dat.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigawuts
dis actually did halp u rite u rite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryock
gotta get dat JA bonus next.
Yeah, that's a habit I developed pretty much right away. Jump + same attack timing every time. This is only a problem when you're hitting a weak point on the ground, like on a downed ragne, where you land and that throws off one attack.
The only weapon I have an issue doing this with is the launcher. That timing is ridiculous. I hear you can get 8+ shots before touching the ground, I can usually barely break 5.
i've about JA'd every katana combat strike until the finish.. it takes some concentration and a try hard mindset.. you too can do it if you awaken your hidden powers, goh- nevermind
P.S: Giga is a towel
Note: i'm tuffa den ledduh
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Originally Posted by ~Aya~
show me your bankai.
Bankai either have less clothes or more I don't approve of the latter. http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user...c941-40x30.png
Haven't quite perfected the JAs for Braver, since I was stuck on the first hit for a while which is really shameful I'm aware. So I forced myself to run alone in just some Free missions and figured it out. The timing isn't as complicated as we make it, if anything stop watching your character so closely and just tap the key/button/trigger until you hear the sound and feel it out that way.
KC is the tricky part, because you have to account for travel and the like. I generally do it after a successful Just Defend and with a ton of mobs around- it's a lot of fun and there's not much else like it in the game for me at the moment.
Practice, practice. It's definitely possible, just glad to know I wasn't the only one who couldn't get it at first. Still not perfect but very satisfied once I did get it.
So what'd then be a good build for a Force/Braver that plans to go as hybrid as it takes? I'm trying to go with a fire/lightning build for FO, but for Braver I'm a bit lost. I'd like to use both bows and katanas, I suppose that focusing on the later.
As with HU, I believe I'm probably going to have more luck getting class-free weapons for Braver than what we have for Forces already, but we don't really know how would this go. I want to actively use at least rod (talis), katana and bow, so in theory there would be minimal differences between BR/FO and FO/BR for me.
I'm not entirely sure of how most of the skills work and what level can they be left without gimping them too much. For example, I've seen many builds with katana Combat at level 3. From the simulator, all I see is that level reduces only the cooldown. Isn't the damage of the finisher affected by it then?
This is the build I've been toying with for the moment. I suppose I can ditch Average Stance since Weak Stance affects techs in a much better way and that way I can also focus on WSC for both bow and techs. Depending o the issue of Katana Combat, I could also leave it at 3, ditch Just Reversal Reversal Cover (I have Resta for a reason, and JR is easier to get as FO), and cap Combat Finish and Combat JA bonus, which seem more useful to me. Or maybe leave JA bonus and go for Rapid Shoot Up/Mastery (whichever is the best).
Any thoughts?
I was gonna suggest something like that but I'd suggest taking the extra points from katana combat and putting them into Rapid Shoot mastery (it affects PAs), and Combat finisher since that's where the damage for Katana combat comes from. Though I guess that depends on how much you plan on spamming them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darki
Like this then?
Well I had something like this in mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Darki
, but that works too. Rapid shoot is more for PP regen to spam PAs than damage, so you don't really need to max it unless you're going pure bow or something, which it sounds like you don't want to do.
If Rapid Shoot Mastery works on techs it may be a very nice thing to grab if (/when, since I'm expecting it) they add a bow with tatk.
Oh I get it, that makes sense. I kinda feel dumb getting JR on both classes, but I guess it's not that serious, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kondibon
It actually does. Turns 102 hits into 116 with lv9 RSM. And yeah my crits are the same value, the variance is nothing with so little T-Atk.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigawuts
Screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/6nRM9
Now if only it worked when switching weapons, then even katana mains would get RS.
Hey guys I need your help again on deciding where to put those last skill points in Braver and should I get Just Reversal on braver or force?
This what I have currently.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...4SdniNJ2Hn0008
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Do you plan on using a bow much? You could more easily take advantage of weakpoints, though any Braver weapon will have low damage with a Force sub.
You could main bow, using fire techs where appropriate, and switch to Katana Combat on easy weak points.
Or forget the bow and just go purely into katanas but fall back on tech weaknesses when you can't strike their physical ones.
I will go with your bow build, It's always good to have a plan B when things don't work out and my mag states are going to be this because I want to use theQuote:
Originally Posted by UnLucky
Umblla Rod just so you know.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...dniNJ2HnGQ0006
Don't mean the bump an old topic but, is there a FO/Br build out there?
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...Ig3IJbHnbx0006
This what I'm shooting for. By the way, in the event of a skill reset being issued after the update (I doubt it), do we get a skill reset per character or account? On my Braver, I'm probably gonna main bows, but I'm most likely using Fo for the most part.
If you plan to main BOs you might as well go BR/FO. FO/BR doesn't really benefit from having bow or katana available to them.
Well, I'm more or less using Bows for PP generation. I only have 1 mag on this character and I'm making ti a T-ATK mag. Would it better to go Fo/Fi instead of Fo/br?
Defiantly go Fo/Fi if your going to use a T-ATK mag and for personal note you can only discuss what I have listed in op. if you need information on Fo/Fi go here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinamori
Sorry about this but I'm just trying to keep this thread on topic and from unneeded arguments.
http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212765
Hey guys is Combat Escape and Tails Tech Bonus worth getting for my build?
because I'm about to use a skill tree reset and I want to know before I use it.
And if it is, this might be what my build will be.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/skillcalc.php?06rTb3Ikb3Ikb3Ikb3IkbnIkb3IkbnIklTcA 7bIn0000000lb000009b000000lb0000084OIk2XIkjbncAIxf bn0000lb0000000ebIo4SdnfkAJ2HnxdI20000
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Hey guys can I get some help here?
I haven't read through the rest of your thread, but what is your playstyle? If you plan to get talis damage bonus, combat escape seems kinda obsolete, as it only works with katanas, and well, you are using talis. CE might be good for situations where you need to heal or revive someone, but for damage, unless you plan to go main katana, a talis would do much better damage. As far as damage is concerned, you will be gimped in how much you can do with a katana and bow (due to lacking fury stance, wish this were different, but hey.), but you'll gain a fair bit in terms of tech damage from weak stance (which I assume is the main reason people play FOBR or BRFO in the first place)...
If you have spare SP though, then sure, CE isnt a bad thing to get, though IMO something like J reversal cover might be better if you don't plan to use katana much.
My play style is a bit of both, techs for that big Aoe damage and katanas for close range combat and bows for hitting easy weak points and a steady source of range damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo_lag
And yes I do plan use all of everything from both classes to get the best damage out of my build.
Is this enough tech on my mag? because I finally got my dex on my mag to 100 and I'm just trying to keep everything balance.
I was think of going with this amount of tech on my mag.
http://ryuhiroshi.funpic.de/pso2/ski...5IJ2HnqDI20000
Hmm 30 t-atk isn't much but if we look at it like putting a point into Rare Mastery Force then that actually turns out fine. While you look at pure t-atk mags being 175 points towards your t-atk it isn't necessarily all that huge a boost in the damage. Personally I'd go 50 t-atk and 125 dex but it all comes to preference. Looks like a solid build to me :) Do you use bow much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Sharina Wize
Also Talis Tech Bonus will be pretty big for you so you'll want to find a good talis to abuse well :p
Can't say I find too much wrong with your build but you will need to find some good kit. I play Force and Braver as my sub myself.
I went 75 t-atk/100 ability but that was more for if I go fo/br or te/br instead of br/te so I have a chance at some of the high end tech weps.
Since my build looks solid which is great to hear from you guys. I'll keep the 30 t-atk and yes I do use the bows and Katanas and I'm going to see if I can get a party together and fight Bal Rodos and Vol dragon on SH a couple of times and try and get Brauluft and Green Duel Gaze from them. :wink:Wish me luck everyone and thanks again for all your help guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiffonFairchild
I wanted to play as a braver force but I couldn't see your build when I clicked on the link so could someone look at this build I made and give me some advice thanks in advance
http://arks-layer.com/skillsim/skill...0000jdB0000006
explain to me this "meme" build of BR/FO instead of maining the better choice of FO/BR
Sphieir, I made this thread 4 years ago at that time I was "experimenting" with the idea, just go FO/BR like everyone has said in your own thread Its way better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sphieir
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