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    I'm not saying Guhral *does* have crazy tides, I'm saying it *should*. Algol should as well, though the diagrams of orbits note that it would be intermittent, but certainly gravitational forces between the planets in Algol are quite strong and the orbits not entirely stable, as shown by Palma and Motavia swapping orbits. Ragol also, perhaps moreso because the moons are always nearby. The only scenarios in which Ragol gets away with not having nasty tides are one in which the larger of the moons is actually very small but so close it looks large, in which case it would likely eventually end up pulled into Ragol's atmosphere to rather disastrous effects(Even a small meteor would be enough to wipe out life on Earth. A small moon...); or one in which the moon is in fact large but has an extremely low density, low enough to not produce much in the way of a gravitational pull. Unlikely for a what seems to be a solid object rather than a gaseous one. Either way, not too condusive to the evolution of intelligent life, though neither Algol nor Ragol are supposed to have evolved intelligent life - Ragol is settled from elsewhere and the races of Algol were supposedly created by the Great Light.

    Guhral appears to be different. Algol's nearest and farthest planets are shown to have temperature extremes. Presumably they're closer to Palma than Mars and Venus are to Earth; they're all habitable, but Motavia is a harsh desert and Dezolis frozen. On the other hand, all three of Guhral's planets seem to be more or less temperate. Moatoob has ice and supposedly was once nicer than it is now. Neudaiz is rather decidedly not frozen. Either they share very close orbits or they actually orbit each other.(Quite possible; take a three-star cluster orbiting in the outer arms of a spiral galaxy and you have a macro version of what I'm talking about. Also note the eventual effects of tidal forces in such a system which will cause it to either fly apart or lead to the death of one or more of the stars.) Transport in Guhral seems to be very dependable and static - Hinting that the planets don't move away from each other much. Parum seems to be viewable from Neudaiz. All three planets are viewable from the LL destination lobby. But from what we know of the planets and of interplanetary transport, we can infer that they have either similar or shared orbits. Thus, they should be subject to each other's gravity and thus cause tides on each other. Potentially very bad ones.

    Since such a thing is not conducive to life, however, it has been conveniently ignored. From the Colony, Moatoob is perhaps the size of the Moon at the highest point it reaches in its travels across Earth's sky, Neudaiz is significantly bigger. Presuming that they're earth-sized this would of course place Moatoob farther from Parum than the Earth's moon is. Neudaiz perhaps a bit farther or the same distance. Certainly close enough for gravity to interact, however.

    Certainly PSU does not go for 'hard' sci-fi, so the colony has gravity without apparently being spun, so we have gravity generators in use somewhere. So perhaps they've found a way to counteract gravity as well on a global scale. I have no idea how such a thing could be implemented, but assume it has. When? How was it implemented? Could the failure of such a system have contributed to the downfall of the ancient civilization?

    Basically, why are we ignoring what ought to happen? (Why didn't intelligent life evolve on all three planets if they're all temperate? Massive weather control? Well, we all know how well *that* works out... PSII anybody? Where *are* the aliens? Were they wiped out?)

    But yeah. I wonder about such things. XP

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    the aliens probly got pwned during that Unification War, good luck making it through a war that long...

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    So should everyone else, though. Recall that the reason Coral is supposedly no longer suitable for habitation is... War. Lots of it. Also, no mention is ever made of there having been other races, not in the game and not in the timeline. Hell, in PS, Motavia has been cut off from Dezolis for 1,000 years and even Chaz isn't surprised to see Dezolians. Just because something isn't around anymore doesn't necessarily mean all trace of it has been wiped out - True, the ancient civilization could have wiped them out, but there ought to be some sort of remnant of something somewhere. More likely that there just never were any, which is meh. I want goddamned aliens in my space sci-fi. DX (Just once I want to see something where the main intelligent race isn't even humanoid, let alone coincidentally exactly like humans. Something weird, yet cool, like Pierson's Puppeteers. Y'know, non-human. Possibly with non-human ideals and morals. I know, I know, your average gaming idiot wouldn't be able to take it. No hot babes to, uh, 'identify' with. >_>)

    But yeah, you'd think whatever gave rise to intelligent life on Parum would have given rise to intelligent life on Neudaiz and Moatoob as well. Or did the right comet only hit Parum? Though, Moatoob and Neudaiz have species of flora and fauna that are exclusive to them and presumably evolved there. So why no intelligent non-human life? Then again, as has been postulated, intelligence need not be a form of it that would be immediately recognizable to humans, particularly if the alien in question was different enough/composed of different basic building blocks. Would we even recognize a helium-based lifeform as such, intelligent or no?

    I know, I know. It's a video game. I'm thinking too hard. XP

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    Helium based? Isn't that a noble gas?

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    Helium, He, number 2 on the periodic table, two protons, two neutrons, two electrons, first of the noble gases, yes. Some sci-fi has postulated life based on various forms of helium(Due to Helium's properties, such a thing is highly unlikely, but). Along with any number of other elements. Life as we know it on earth is carbon-based. Hence, there's a good chance that we'd fail to recognize life based on other elements as such as they would of necessity be quite different from what we recognize as life.

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    Now that I'm actually looking at the planets, I would have much rather had PS's explanation to all planets being inhabitable (We forced it to be). Having three planets close enough together to all be able to support life would mean that they would adversely interact with each other. The fact that all three planets are all "nice" doesn't really make sense, nor does it make for much diversity. Beyond that, it was mentioned somewhere that all the races came from one planet (Parum? Maybe Moatoob before it got discombobulated) and migrated to other ones, so changing the weather some would have been a pretty neat addition.

    Again, it's a videogame. ST probably didn't think this through enough.

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    You're not conveying a lot of familiarity with PSU there, Zorafim. Supposedly, the Humans came from Parum. In turn, the Humans created the Cast race to do the menial chores; the tedious work. Then they created the Newman race in an attempt to create a Super Human. When they discovered Moatoob's wealth of valuable resources, they created the Beast race-- a race that can handle living in Moatoob's harsh climate --to mine and collect those resources.

    So really, there are only two substantially habitable (by Humans, at least) planets in Gurhal, which are Parum and Neudaiz. All things considered, that's not really a troublesome number. For example, were Mars a little larger and therefore had a denser atmosphere (the low density of the atmosphere there is what causes its drastic temperature changes between day and night), it could conceivably sustain human life. It's not far from that mark, even now, and with teraforming, Mars could one day be inhabitable. Even Venus can conceivably be made to support human life.

    Just because two planets can support life, that doesn't mean they're close enough to eachother to crap all over eachothers' tides.

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    Ack, scratch that last one from me... I just noticed

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    Moatoob was once as lush and inhabitable as parum and neudaiz are, but was destroyed somehow (A wizard?) a few hundred years back. This would mean that all three planets are close enough together to reasonably hold life.
    Also, I don't quite remember hearing anything about any of the planets being terra-formed. Besides the humanoid colonists, all life on the planet seemed to of all started there (unless I missed something in story mode?).

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    On 2007-04-26 14:09, Zorafim wrote:
    Besides the humanoid colonists, all life on the planet seemed to of all started there (unless I missed something in story mode?).
    Weren't the Beasts genetically engineered by Humans though?
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